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The serum in which the cancer cells were placed included a virus that

could knock out the immune system, thus enhancing the strength of the already powerful cancer cells. This material - scraped from the kidneys of sick monkeys - was, in fact, the AIDS virus. (60)

The serum in which the cancer cells were placed included a virus that

could knock out the immune system, thus enhancing the strength of the already  powerful cancer cells. This material - scraped from the kidneys of sick monkeys - was, in fact, Simian Monkey Virus 40 (SV-40), not the AIDS virus. (61) 

STATEMENT: Read the book. The matter is too complex to be explained by Mr. Reitzes, who is relying on a portion of an incomplete summary of the process written by somebody else.

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Beyond her word, Judyth has no evidence regarding anything related to John F. Kennedy's assassination. (96)

CORRECTION: read the book.

Judyth,

How csan I order your book?

REPLY:

The book is expected to come out next year, or the year after.

Since forty years have already passed, that's really just around the corner.

I cannot visit this forum as often as you do, and atop that, have eye problems that force me to carefully choose what to read and when.

Answering emails from trusted few is first priority.

Please do not necessarily expect replies on this forum to your questions in a timely manner. Repeating the question won't get a reply from me any faster. I'm rarely able to comply. Furthermore, I'm living in a country where a computer connection is only available to me part of the day.

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak up here without getting flamed. Nor are my posts erased. Nor have I had to worry about posts getting moved to an obscure place, to later be erased. I thank John Simkin and the Education Forum for allowing me to speak freely here.

==Judyth===

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The serum in which the cancer cells were placed included a virus that

could knock out the immune system, thus enhancing the strength of the already powerful cancer cells. This material - scraped from the kidneys of sick monkeys - was, in fact, the AIDS virus. (60)

The serum in which the cancer cells were placed included a virus that

could knock out the immune system, thus enhancing the strength of the already  powerful cancer cells. This material - scraped from the kidneys of sick monkeys - was, in fact, Simian Monkey Virus 40 (SV-40), not the AIDS virus. (61) 

STATEMENT: Read the book. The matter is too complex to be explained by Mr. Reitzes, who is relying on a portion of an incomplete summary of the process written by somebody else.

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Beyond her word, Judyth has no evidence regarding anything related to John F. Kennedy's assassination. (96)

CORRECTION: read the book.

Judyth,

How csan I order your book?

Bill

Anybody can you tell me how to order Judyth's book? I do'nt see any listing at Amazon.com

Bill

REPLY:

Mr. Bias, you already knew the book hasn't been published yet.

Yet you pretend that the book has been published by asking how to order it.

That is a strange way to act, Mr. Bias.

I suggest that repeating your questions about 'how to order the book' on multiple threads is a waste of readers' time.

I do hope you will not turn out to be like Mr. Reitzes, who posts a flurry of questions, up to seventy at once, almost all of them reposts which were previously answered, and by doing so wears out everyone's patience, provoking readers to simply delete or avoid reading -- with real issues ignored, and readers tired of seeing my name in print.

I am not doing it. Those who post repetitious and worthless questions are doing it, to stop interest in looking into the real questions and issues.

After four years of hounding me, Mssrs. Reitzes and McAdams haven't been able to discredit me (that is, without resorting to distortions and misrepresentations). I do not consider name-calling as worth a penny, either. What they have revealed is an obsession, which I hope will not afflict you... you aren't going to follow in their footsteps, I trust?

Best regards,

Judyth Vary Baker

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The serum in which the cancer cells were placed included a virus that

could knock out the immune system, thus enhancing the strength of the already powerful cancer cells. This material - scraped from the kidneys of sick monkeys - was, in fact, the AIDS virus. (60)

The serum in which the cancer cells were placed included a virus that

could knock out the immune system, thus enhancing the strength of the already powerful cancer cells. This material - scraped from the kidneys of sick monkeys - was, in fact, Simian Monkey Virus 40 (SV-40), not the AIDS virus. (61)

STATEMENT: Read the book. The matter is too complex to be explained by Mr. Reitzes, who is relying on a portion of an incomplete summary of the process written by somebody else.

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Beyond her word, Judyth has no evidence regarding anything related to John F. Kennedy's assassination. (96)

CORRECTION: read the book.

Judyth,

How csan I order your book?

REPLY:

The book is expected to come out next year, or the year after. Since forty years have already passed, that's really just around the corner. I cannot visit this forum as often as you do, and atop that, have eye problems that force me to carefully choose what to read and when. Answering emails from trusted few is first priority. Please do not necessarily expect replies on this forum to your questions in a timely manner. Repeating the question won't get a reply from me any faster. I'm rarely able to comply. Furthermore, I'm living in a country where a computer connection is only available to me part of the day.

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak up here without getting flamed. Nor are my posts erased. Nor have I had to worry about posts getting moved to an obscure place, to later be erased. I thank John Simkin and the Education Forum for allowing me to speak freely here.

==Judyth===

Judyth,

The country you're at the moment is not a 3rd world country, they even have internet cafe's there, so allow me to doubt also this statement about the problem with the internet connection from you.

The last paragraph of your post is yet another accusation without proof against jfklancerforum and Debra Conway (although you learned and didn't name it), because you know how long from me, that you're not blocked from posting there, yet you do avoid it, which is of course your right, but why then complain about not being able to post freely there, when you actualy have for the second time now (before and after the crash) an own folder there.

Included in your list of wrong accusations also are, the alledged threat made by Debra Conway against Nigel Turner, which you already had to take back, the wrong accussation that Debra did deliberately hide or delete posts, when our former host did put in an old harddrive and the forum was not reflecting the standing that it should have, and when I did explain for hours what had happened to you and asked for a clarification email to be send from you to those you did send the mail with the unfounded and wrong accusations against Debra, and asked you if you did, I learned that the mail you did send was yet another missinterpretation of the truth (you wrote to the effect that "everything was put back after you made a complaint" which is not true).

And is it true or not true, that you did put great pressure on Nancy Eldreth at one point for her to go to NARA in order to get papers for you with the words to the effect, that she will be quilty if she won't go to NARA if you're not being able to ever return to the US because of not having the papers ?

Is it true or not true, that you were trying to get the so called Project J. files from me, directly and also indirectly through Nancy Eldreth, and also you did send out a mail stating that I have access to those files (for what purpose except in order to try to get them from me)?

This is a pattern of behaviour from you, watched over a relative short period of time, I have enough now, and therefore will say here and now, that you have lied Judyth, and you're continue to lying because it serves you in the effort of letting people get the impression that you're the victim of the dark forces that are around every corner in your life, and also that you're a victim of the revenge of Debra Conway, but that doesn't work with me Judyth, and thankfully many more that had contact with you.

And at least one member of your "team" thinks that you're paranoid, so at least I'm not alone.

While I was working to get lancerforum back day and night,and I never did hide the error I also made , you spun the rumour mill faster and faster, you put so much rumours into Nancy Eldreth, that she went even against me, the only "friend" she realy had and who was always straight with her, including saying to her that she either needs 2 weeks of good sleep or seek professional help , because her last mails and post were even too much for me, and I have spend more time with her than anyone else.

You know about her weaknesses and yet, or let's say therefore you continue to use her for your purpose, shame on you.

That I will never forgive you Judyth, because you know exactly what you're doing and why, and I hope that the days of your Bullxxxx stories are nearing the end, because the day the world will see what xxxx you are, will be the best day I had for quite some time and a very good day for the jfk community.

You were Oswalds lover, well great, why didn't he tell me, I thought he loved only me, and he knew that they're gonna kill the president and he told me, but I didn't make anything to try to prevent it, but I was crying so much for my Lee after he was killed, and luckily, the evildoers did let me go away, on a promise of not telling anything, they killed so many people for just being in Dealey Plaza, but I was so special, they just couldn't do it with me, Mary Sherman wasn't so special, David Ferrie wasn't so special, amongst many others, but I was.

Can I prove it, well read my book, that will be out after some years of promising it, and then we will see if I have all the information gathered that I need to make it at least somehow believable, but for doing it, I need so much more information, because at the moment i'm only a fiction writer with a raw concept and have to get so much more information from researchers, from the internet, from books and every source I can find.

I will make many errors while building the story, because I will put out statements and bits of information that will then be twisted (at least that's what I say while trying to correct my errors ), but i'm smart, I will have a team of real "pro's" gathered over the time,that believe in everything I say, and will help me in making the corrections sold to the public, as usual i will call the hardest of the critics dis-information specialist, that is always good to hold the supporters on my side, well of course I and my team will also have to do some dis-info work to do, because there will be from time to time persons that will jump off the bandwaggon, but a little rumour here and a little lie there will keep them under suspicion and pressure enough so that I can continue my story.

If there are points I can not talk away easy, I will say I was only speculating, that's gonna work for most readers on the internet, and the rest I can handle because everyone knows about them dis-info specialists by now.

Sounds familiar Judyth ?

I know you're much more clever than me, so your story is much more elaborate and every tiny bit will be in it, like the guy who busted the dope ring, remember him ?

I challenge you to put up the proof for the accussations you made and make against www.jfklancerforum.com and Debra Conway on this forum or over at jfklancerforum.

I challenge you to put up the ultimate proof that you have been Lee Harvey Oswald's lover and worked in a secret project that had the goal of killing Castro, on this forum or over at jfklancerforum.

Of course who am I to ask for anything, not even being from the US, but you call yourself a living wittness, so isn't it a disgrace to the American people, to the late president John F. Kennedy, the Kennedy Familly, to the late Lee Harvey Oswald, the Oswald Familly when you make a statement like, you can read it in my book which will or will not be sold at this or that date, instead you should present every piece of proof and every wittness you have to the american public, media, the justice department, the FBI, the CIA, Larry King and god knows who, oh I forgot the congress, and don't tell me that you did try and that this could not be done, because they all would be part then of the coverup, and Judyth, that's too big of a number of persons involved even for the hardest of conspiracy buffs to believe in.

So that leads me to the conclusion that (i) you are not taken serious because your story was checked out and not found credible and (ii) you know this and you don't care because you're only interrested in the publicity and the book, whenever it

comes out or (iii) you're a dis-info specialist trying to create havoc in the research

community.

Or maybe it's totaly different and your book will have a title like "How I fooled the JFK Research community"

Who knows Judyth, that is the problem with you, who knows what is behind you and your story, because you do have on your record even a statement saying that you don't say that Lee didn't do it, it can be found on the usenet, oh I know, someone faked it or used your mail address.

Judyth you can't tell me that someone telling the story like you do wouldn't be checked out over at the Justive Department, the FBI and maybe the CIA and not everyone working for those agency's is evil and kill's witnesses, as much as I like conspiracy's Judyth, that you can't sell me.

Or do they already kow that you're bogus ?

One of the best sentences I have from you is the following, when asked about the Paines, you answered to the effect : "I can't say anything about the Paines, they're still alive, they could sue me".

So now, Judyth you are being "flamed" by me, here and now, if you like to call it that way, I call it a statement from someone who simply has enough now.

And I've told you that I won't tolerate your wrong accussations against jfklancerforum and also Debra anymore, so you made me angry one time too much now, and also my post is long and maybe not understood by many, I think it is a fair representation of what I did experience in the last month's plus of course a "speculation" part of what I see as your story and the motives behind it and why it is handled they way it is handled by you, which I think is not a problem, as you yourself do speculate a lot, but most of the time are only mentioning it, if someone attacks you on what you wrote as a fact, than comes the back paddeling part your so famous for.

I appologize to John Simkin for using his forum for this waste of serverspace, and not taking part in a civil discussion before (you know why), and especialy for not being the nice guy I usualy am.

I appologize to Wim Dankbaar, because I know he realy believes Judyth, and have nohing than good experience with him, sorry Wim, but you know that I can not let this go by unanswered, and you also know that I told the truth about everything that is not speculative.

I appologize to Nancy Eldreth for not longer having the nerve to endure her ever changing moods, the cause for them I know, but we all have to get our life's sorted out sometimes, you drove me almost crazy with the things you wrote, and at one point, I even said some very bad things about you to Wim,sorry that you put me into that situation.

I do hope that you may be able at some time to show everyone that you're not nuts, and I do count on you that you will get yourself out of this mess you put yourself in.

I'm realy sorry Nancy, but will always keep the good laughs we had, in my mind, so no I do not consider the many hundred hours spend with you as a waste of time, because I got to know you as a person that really believes in what you're doing and also a very honest and trustfull person (your main weakness), so for that you will always have my respect Nancy.

About the other things I have to say nothing more Nancy, you will find out at one point for yourself.

Uwe Leybold from Germany (also known as David Weaver, the guy who brought back lancerforum so that Judyth can continue to complain about it).

Call me what you want, accuse me of what you want, I just don't care anymore.

And excuse my typos.

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While typing this long post, I just saw that Judyth has found the way to jfklancerforum and has posted "some rather good and worth reading" :) post, which should be read by everyone, after reading through my post first:

http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.p...esg_id=28&page=

http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.p...esg_id=31&page=

http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.php?

az=show_topic&forum=13&topic_id=32&mesg_id=32&page=

http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.p...e=&topic_page=3

Seems Judyth has a good internet connection and good eyes tonight.

And no, Bob and I are no real friends :lol:

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Dave (Uwe)....

It is about time someone speaks out against this hoax. I agree with you 100%. This has been on-going for at least five years now and only compounds and grows from one preposterous claim to another and more every day.

All dissention is met with attacks and accusations and denials and changing of stories...or I should say "sanitizing."

Just imagine, a large two-volume book that entails at the most a five month period in New Orleans. I might also add the imnvolvement, with every player ever mentioned in the JFK assassination case.

She isn't able to be on the internet that often now and unable to read much...B. S. I have seen her all over the internet in even little obscure forums, plus she always seems to know everything being posted everywhere.

I have no idea the purpose of this hoax...who really knows?

Good for you Uwe!

Dixe Dea

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She jumps down my throat for asking abuot how I can purchase the book of her's SHW JUST TOLD DAVE RIETZERS TO READ!!!! just like her friend Mr. Wim calls me a spy ==!!!!!== for asking if theirs any evidence for her story.

Nice people!

Bill the Spy :)

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Uwe,

With all due respect, you're coming across here as though all your buttons have been pushed and you're just kind of venting. I know you've been through a lot with the Lancer forum going down and all that entailed.

You're entitled to your opinions and feelings about the experiences you have had, and I'm willing to discuss any specific issues that you might want further orientation on; however, at the same time I must say that my experiences with Judyth so far and yours have almost nothing in common.

I am keeping an open mind on Judyth's statements and she has been very forthcoming, sending me information, even parts of her book, and answering the questions I am starting to have as I become oriented to New Orleans in 1963 (as upposed to SS-100-X).

I know I have made statements to her that were upsetting and there have been times when we have differed, and yet I feel that I have been and am being treated fairly, and I am very appreciative of that.

In fact, whereas I have received threatening emails or posts from some people I had thought I had a good relationship with though they were outside Judyth's circle, I have not yet felt uncomfortable or threatened, or, much worse, lied to, by Judyth or any of those close to her.

Pamela

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Three Cheers for Uwe:

""I challenge you to put up the proof for the accussations you made and make against www.jfklancerforum.com and Debra Conway on this forum or over at

jfklancerforum.""

I also challenge you to put up the proof for the accusations that you have made from one end of the web to the other over the past two years, against the J.F.K Research Forum and it's membership..

""Or maybe it's totaly different and your book will have a title like "How I fooled the JFK Research community"

Or perhaps "The Neverending Tall Tales of Judyth Baker"......

Oh I know, we shall hear, see how they attack me,and for absolutely no reason whatsoever,save it we have heard it for 5 long years.....as if people had nothing better to do, but the time comes...when as Uwe inferred enough is enough..and we continue to carry on.....

""Who knows Judyth, that is the problem with you, who knows what is behind you and your story, because you do have on your record even a statement

saying that you don't say that Lee didn't do it, it can be found on the usenet, oh

I know, someone faked it or used your mail address.""

If anyone doubts what he says in this statement, then spend some time, on the alts. there are well over 4000 posts on the Judyth Baker line over the past 5 years...many from Judyth herself...do you possibley think each and every one can or could have been altered, if so, wake up and stop fooling yourselves..

""Can I prove it, well read my book, that will be out after some years of promising

it, and then we will see if I have all the information gathered that I need to make it at least somehow believable, but for doing it, I need so much more information, because at the moment i'm only a fiction writer with a raw concept and have to get so much more information from researchers, from the internet, from books and every source I can find.""

Exactly..

""Judyth you can't tell me that someone telling the story like you do wouldn't be checked out over at the Justive Department, the FBI and maybe the

CIA and not everyone working for those agency's is evil and kill's wittnesses,

as much as I like conspiracy's Judyth, that you can't sell me.

Or do they already kow that you're bogus ?""

Think about the above, what Uwe stated.....

""Call me what you want, accuse me of what you want, I just don't care anymore.""

Sorry to read this Uwe..perhaps you need a few days rest and will be back...you care very much IMO......there are still many and they will continue, to try to weed out the great disinformation artists. That is exactly what they are, some even fully trained and with much support...

This has all taken up too much time, too much space, too much in wasted resources, she repays kindness with distortions...She and her followers believe she has found a safe haven here at the Education Forum.......they are taking much advantage of the hospitality.....they go on about how it has enabled them to have freedom of speech, well she also had that at the JFK Forum, and at the alts and many other Forums and blew it.....

Ask her some of the hard questions, and see if the answers you get are.

1..Wait till the book comes out..2. It would take too long to answer such, and my eyes are bad, my back, my head, or whatever is on the agenda today.......

3. My internet connection is not capable...I will be away, etc etc..

4. And also this person has never emailed me, that is always a pat reply......even though people did and do, and never received a reply.....see there is always an excuse.......many and they go on and on seemingly forever..

I personally am sorry to see this Forum being abused in this way, IMO,and the young people who simply have not been privy to the Assassination world before now and it's information, perhaps believing her line...and being exposed to the alteration of history, that is my biggest concern..

""I have no idea the purpose of this hoax...who really knows? "" to quote Dixie..

To pull the researchers from their studies, and from any real advancements,they may be working on...... been done before, and when Judyth goes, it shall be done again...and again, it is never over, another will follow her...

And Judyth you are dead wrong about being the girlie on the corner, and about Robert putting LHO's camera in the Paine garage....some homework for you to do......and be sure to change what you have written, again, when you do find out the correct answers....you and your team are not as good as you thought....your story line is still running with too many errors....

Bravo Uwe......

Bernice Moore.....

and no I am not on any Team and no, I do not know Bob Vernon....

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It is interesting that whenever a forum provides an opportunity to discuss Judyth's account in an open manner, it is suddenly inundated with attacks posts from three sources:

1) Team McAdams, including Dave Reitzes.

2) The Della Rosa group, including Dixie and Bernice.

3) The Lancer group, including Dave Weaver.

Apparently the idea that Judyth might be taken seriously far too threatening to any of them to be permitted.

But I'm sure Dixie and the other "sensitive" attack artists will find my post offensive.

Martin Shackelford

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Bill Byas or whatever his real name is, knows very well that Judyth's book is not out yet.

He's malicious and vile, playing ignorant. I keep saying, he should be banned unless he proves his identity, which he has consistently refused to do. Let me ask: Can any member here confirm that Bill Byas is who he says he is? Does anyone know this guy? Has anyone ever talked to him? Or emailed with him? These are questions that can be easily answered for any other member. For Bill Byas too?

Uwe, control your emotions. They cloud your objectivity. Take a deep breath. Please specify which accusations of Judyth, you want a backup for, and I will try to answer them to the best of my ability. What is it exactly that you cannot "let go by unanswered ?"

Wim

"If you're paranoid it doesn't mean they are not out to get you."

Edited by Wim Dankbaar

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No, Martin this time you were not so offensive, which is good!

However you did mis-catalogue me. I owe allegiance to no one and am in fact a Member of DellaRosa's Group, Lancer Group and the Simkin's Group.

I believe that Judyth is free to use whichever forum she chooses and to express whatever she chooses to say.

It is good that she feels safe to do that here, on this forum.

But then, I believe I have the same rights. If I choose to not believe her claims, it is also my progative to express that.

You can bet if I had something to claim and I wasn't belived by some, I certainly would expect to be challenged. We just cannot always believe or agree with everything we hear..especially within the JFK Research Communities.

I don't expect everyone to agree with my assertions and I am sure some don't. We just have to say what we believe to be true or not true. I don't know how anyone else regards this, but that is how I feel anyway.

It does not matter what group I belong to in order to believe as I do. If I did believe Judyth's claims, I would probably argue in her favor as well as I do against her.

If Judyths book happens to be published within this decade and if I read it and decide that I believe her claims, then I expect I will state that fact.

My intentions are not to attack her, contrary to how it may seem. If I was able to be open-minded I would do so, but that is just not the case.

Dixie

Edited by Dixie Dea

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Martin is certainly correct that the Judyth Baker stuff heavy-handedly overwhelms forums. A check of Lancer right now would lead one to think it to be the Judyth Baker Forum. I don't get the issue, personally, as it wouldn't matter much if this woman did experience the things I've read. If someone can give me a one or two sentence explanation of why the story matters one way or another I would appreciate that (not an item by item examination of veracity).

Tim

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"Martin is certainly correct that the Judyth Baker stuff heavy-handedly overwhelms forums. A check of Lancer right now would lead one to think it to be the Judyth Baker Forum. I don't get the issue, personally, as it wouldn't matter much if this woman did experience the things I've read. If someone can give me a one or two sentence explanation of why the story matters one way or another I would appreciate that (not an item by item examination of veracity)."

Tim

You're right about that Tim, the Judyth topic does tend to consume some forums.

No, it doesn't matter if Judyth actually experienced the things she has claimed. The reason it does matter, is that a big majority of us do not believe her claims.

For that reason, it angers me greatly to have a long on-going hoax perpetuated amongst us. I don't know anyone elses reasons, but that is the bottom line of mine.

Dixie

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RESPONSE TO TIM, DIXIE, AND DAVID WEAVER:

PROVE I AM NOT TELLING THE TRUTH!!!!!

You're right about that Tim, the Judyth topic does tend to consume some forums.

No, it doesn't matter if Judyth actually experienced the things she has claimed. The reason it does matter, is that a big majority of us do not believe her claims.

For that reason, it angers me greatly to have a long on-going hoax perpetuated amongst us. I don't know anyone elses reasons, but that is the bottom line of mine.

Dixie

Dear Dixie and Tim and others:

Let's see... Dixie claimed in her earlier post that she is NOt open-minded. Then, above, she says, "No, it doesn't matter if Judyth actually experienced the things she has claimed. "

Now she says, outright, that "it angers me greatly to have a long on-going hoax perpetuated amongst us. I don't know anyone elses reasons, but that is the bottom line of mine."

After declaring she is NOT open-minded about this, she then says it doesn't matter if I experienced these things or not, and then she says it's a 'lon on-going hoax.'

I thought I would have protection on this forum from such attacks.

But to answer:

1. I state that I intimately knew the accused assasssin and that he told me he was trying to save Kennedy's life. He also helped me in a project to try to eliminate Fidel Castro. I was in contact with him ending 37 1/2 hours before the assassination. People who know me well and have seen the evidence and records I retained and have collected, and who have seen films and heard audiotapes of living witnesses affirming that Lee and I had a love affair/were lovers -- Dixie declares :

"No, it doesn't matter if Judyth actually experienced the things she has claimed. "

This tells me that she has not read a good account of what I claim. IT DOES MATTER. INFINITELY. I AM A WITNESS TO THE INNOCENCE OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD.

2. Secondly, Dixie writes:

"It angers me greatly to have a long on-going hoax perpetuated amongst us. I don't know anyone elses reasons, but that is the bottom line of mine."

Does she produce evidence to back up this statement? Consider that statement in the light of her first statement (no. 1). Her 'evidence' is her opinion.

She might say I don't have any evidence.

I will be posting it here, if I am given a modicum of protection.

If I am attacked and denigrated, I will withdraw from this forum.

The statements of Dixie are unjust and uncalled for. IT DOES MATTER WHAT I EXPERIENCED, I repeat. Her statement is made either out of ignorance or because she is being malicious. AND she says she's 'greatly' angered... Why? because, she says, "this is a long on-going hoax perpetuated (sic... perpetrated) amongst us..."

After nearly five years of weary battle, these off-the-cuff statements from somebody who has admitted she has a closed mind, and who has shown she does not know what my story is about (OR is being malicious) - these off-the-cuff statements only fill up precious space, waste precious time, and accomplish just one thing: they make a HUGE PILE OF JUNK FOR A RESEARCHER TO WADE THROUGH. 'Reitzes' list of objections, for example, is based on the thinnest tissue, and it is torture to have to plow through it.

Bring forth your SUBSTANTIVE PROOF AND EVIDENCE THAT I AM NOT TELLING THE TRUTH. Not rumors. Not portions of stolen emails where qualifying statements (where I speculated, and it is presented as a witness testimony, for example).... BRING FORTH YOUR SUBSTANTIVE EVIDENCE THAT I AM NOT TELLING THE TRUTH.

YOU CAN'T DO IT.

What you CAN do is clutter this forum as you have cluttered other forums, with your statements without substance.

I pray to God that when somebody posts the same thing over and over that their post will be marked as a REPEAT, so that readers will not be overwhelmed, as they are on other forums, by a mountain of posts and reposts which block and overload and kill the sincere investigator's interest in my tetsimony.

I am a witness. Ask questions of substance. bring forth your evidence. Otherwise, please get out of the way. I've waited five years to be able to speak out in a place where I can bring forth the evidence and my statements safely. That means, stop calling me names. Stop saying my testimony is worthless. Get out of the way and let's get some progress made.

Anybody out there who has an honest question to ask will receive a respectful answer. That excludes those who have been caught in lies, such as Bob Vernon, those who have broken their promises to keep materials confidential, such as Dave reitzes, and those who have declared they do not have an open mind, such as Dixie D.

My eyes are not in good shape and I cannot read everything. I will strive with all my might to answer honest researchers.

Sincerely,

Judyth Vary Baker

witness to the innocence of Lee Harvey Oswald

and seeking his exoneration

p.s. TO UWE (DAVID WEAVER):

I do not have a good server and get on for awhile, and then suddenly it doesn't work. I note Uwe says I should not call where I am living a third world country. Depends WHERE you live in this country, Uwe. I have an internet connection that through corruption has been split four ways on one line and everyone pays one quarter... it is done that way because otherwise you have to wait almost forever to get a hookup in the area where I am living. I can get on sometimes and then write as many emails as I can... other times, I cannot get anything to load at all, it can take even a half hour for something to load. I have vision problems and that compounds the troubles.

Uwe, you were nice to me until you decided I was a hoax, which you decided after becoming close friends with Debra Conway and because of what I said concerning how Lancer was being run. The lost files and other problems seemed like a bizarre series of unlikely coincidences. For example, what happened to the evidence that was posted about my cancer research?: What happened to Don Hewitt's interview stating he thought I was credible? Are those posts over there at Lancer 'lost forever.'...? I was told they got 'lost' because you did not make the promised back ups.

If that is not true, I stand corrected.

You seem to have a lot of anger and angst toward me. I am sorry you now believe I am a 'hoax'and wonder how you came to this decision. since we hardly ever corresponded. You had to come to this conclusion through what you read, or perhaps you resented my stating my belief that hanky-panky was going on when posts are restored, except posts that contained materials in favor of me seem to have disappeared. If they are there, please advise.

Meanwhile, you are attacking me, with name calling and declarations that I am not telling the truth. What changed your mind, Uwe, beyond the fact that Debra has made you in charge of the Lancer server now? I remember trying to help you when you had a bad tooth.

I only contacted you to try to help you. That was through Nancy Eldreth, a person I befriended because she had dyslexia, IMHO, and I felt sorry for her being attacked on Lancer. I just wanted her to have a friend, and you are trying to convince her that I was using her.

I asked you to please find the project J files that Debra shows people - files I SENT TO HER AND GAVE TO HER, plus God knows what else is in them now. You claimed you could not find them. Nancy said you had seen them, then denied and said it was a typo, but by then I had responded. So go ahead and say your ugly things about me. I only was trying to find out what happened to the files concerning me. It seems you have made up your mind, though you never asked me any questions at all about my testimony. You base everything on the history regarding the Lancer forum going up and down and losing certain files that should have been backed up.

You were responsible for the backups at that time, according to emails I have received, so I guess you are sensitive about 'losing' my files.

Sorry you have so much anger. I hope Debra will pay you a salary for all the hard work you are doing. I heard you were doing it all for nothing.

I am finished for now.

I hope that honest researchers will ask honest questions. Will do my best to provide information to satisfy you. I am grateful for this forum. I hope that the administrator will not allow me to be called names here, and abused.

==j===

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Judyth wrote:

"I state that I intimately knew the accused assasssin and that he told me he was trying to save Kennedy's life. He also helped me in a project to try to eliminate Fidel Castro. I was in contact with him ending 37 1/2 hours before the assassination. People who know me well and have seen the evidence and records I retained and have collected, and who have seen films and heard audiotapes of living witnesses affirming that Lee and I had a love affair/were lovers. . . . IT DOES MATTER. INFINITELY. I AM A WITNESS TO THE INNOCENCE OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD."

Judyth:

Thank you. That was very succinct and aswered my question directly - UNTIL YOU WENT BACK AND EDITED.

Tim

Edited by Tim Carroll

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