Neely St Questions

[Ed LeDoux]

I wouldn't get too worked up, in the expectations department. They pretended to be conducting an official, impartial inquiry, she pretended to be an important and reliable witness.:

Mrs. Oswald.

My husband had a small room where he kept all that sort of thing. It is a little larger than a closet. ...

Thanks Tom.

Yes tough to find a straight answer.

What can we find on the J Pat Doyle who lived/lives in Portland Oregon and has the film of the NO incident.

I'm looking for the pics...

Ed

[Ed LeDoux]

The Neely Street Apartment Interior.

http://jfklancer.com/photos/neelyst/

It was mislabeled 204 Neely street!!!

But my hats off to Tom Jones for these interior shots of 214 Neely.

Ed

Edited December 18, 2011 by Ed LeDoux

[Ed LeDoux]

Hmmm after looking over the Tom Jones photos I found a problem.

Is it really possible to see into the apartment?

I do not see how a meter reader could look inside the second floor apartment.

If the back door is the same solid door as in '63 then that is not a view point;

Would be next to impossible to see in the window near the back stairs; as stairs and window do not meet.

All other windows are inaccessible for viewing from outside.

I don't think you can see in from any point outside.

Unless apartment door was left open and/or unlocked how could a meter reader actually see in.

Ideas?

Ed

[Guest Tom Scully]

I wouldn't get too worked up, in the expectations department. They pretended to be conducting an official, impartial inquiry, she pretended to be an important and reliable witness.:

Mrs. Oswald.

My husband had a small room where he kept all that sort of thing. It is a little larger than a closet. ...

Thanks Tom.

Yes tough to find a straight answer.

What can we find on the J Pat Doyle who lived/lives in Portland Oregon and has the film of the NO incident.

I'm looking for the pics...

Ed

Doyle and his wife, Charleen are both gone, both US Army vets. :

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=doyle&GSiman=1&GScid=39562&GRid=597688&

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=597868

A relative might be available. There is also a Jonathan R. Doyle, but no contact info found.

Larry K Doyle (listed as age 72)

4103 Se Milwaukie Ave

Portland, OR 97202

(503) 232-3718

UPDATE: (probably grandchildren)

Amy K Olden

11852 Ne Eugene St

Portland, OR 97220

(503) 841-5676

AKA Amy Kristin Doyle, related to Jonathan R. Doyle.

Edited December 19, 2011 by Tom Scully

[Greg Parker]

Hmmm after looking over the Tom Jones photos I found a problem.

Is it really possible to see into the apartment?

I do not see how a meter reader could look inside the second floor apartment.

If the back door is the same solid door as in '63 then that is not a view point;

Would be next to impossible to see in the window near the back stairs; as stairs and window do not meet.

All other windows are inaccessible for viewing from outside.

I don't think you can see in from any point outside.

Unless apartment door was left open and/or unlocked how could a meter reader actually see in.

Ideas?

Ed

Ed, George padlocked the door after the Oswald's moved out. Would he really need a padlock unless the door could not otherwise be locked? Just a thought...

[John Dolva]

Hmmm after looking over the Tom Jones photos I found a problem.

Is it really possible to see into the apartment?

I do not see how a meter reader could look inside the second floor apartment.

If the back door is the same solid door as in '63 then that is not a view point;

Would be next to impossible to see in the window near the back stairs; as stairs and window do not meet.

All other windows are inaccessible for viewing from outside.

I don't think you can see in from any point outside.

Unless apartment door was left open and/or unlocked how could a meter reader actually see in.

Ideas?

Ed

Ed, George padlocked the door after the Oswald's moved out. Would he really need a padlock unless the door could not otherwise be locked? Just a thought...

i

The cable to the house came from the pole at the corner in to top right from front. Each of the front entrances have a 'box' on the left of the doors. These are the meters.?

the Jones color image shows the 'box' that the porch post in the dpd photo obscures and the power line coming in.

[Ed LeDoux]

Thanks Tom! Got it. Please hide their info and Ph #'s.

Greg, an idea I was kicking around was to padlock an apt would mean he never got the keys back. Or a previous tenant could have a duplicate key, padlock solves this.

John, I believe in the pics it shows the electric meters on the right side of the building,

the gas was in the back yard. (see "Wooden Staircase In Backyard)

http://jfklancer.com/photos/neelyst/

I'm guessing the boxes you pointed to are mail boxes near the front doors.

http://www.onthisveryspot.com/pics/spot_1684_760.jpg

[Greg Parker]

Thanks Tom! Got it. Please hide their info and Ph #'s.

Greg, an idea I was kicking around was to padlock an apt would mean he never got the keys back. Or a previous tenant could have a duplicate key, padlock solves this.

Yeah, I guess that would be a cheaper option than changing locks in the door itself - though by his own admission - it wasn't a very successful one. Maybe it was the meter reader picking the lock?

John, I believe in the pics it shows the electric meters on the right side of the building,

the gas was in the back yard. (see "Wooden Staircase In Backyard)

http://jfklancer.com/photos/neelyst/

I'm guessing the boxes you pointed to are mail boxes near the front doors.

http://www.onthisver...ot_1684_760.jpg

[Ed LeDoux]

Yeah, I guess that would be a cheaper option than changing locks in the door itself - though by his own admission - it wasn't a very successful one. Maybe it was the meter reader picking the lock?

Greg I wonder if the current owners SIDNEY & TANGEE MOON have been any more successful.

Looking at some of their platting and zoning requests and the remaining structures on the block it may not be long before 212/214 Neely are no more.

Historic Oak Cliff is down to a few buildings of any significance.

The Elsbeth apt building may be razed soon. Here is article by fellow researcher Joe Backes:

http://justiceforkennedy.blogspot.com/2011/07/605-elsbeth-apartment-may-be-demolished.html#comment-form

This also reminds me of the Coz-i-Eight apartments:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=48702&relPageId=7

Ed

[Thomas Graves]

Yeah, I guess that would be a cheaper option than changing locks in the door itself - though by his own admission - it wasn't a very successful one. Maybe it was the meter reader picking the lock?

Greg I wonder if the current owners SIDNEY & TANGEE MOON have been any more successful.

Looking at some of their platting and zoning requests and the remaining structures on the block it may not be long before 212/214 Neely are no more.

Historic Oak Cliff is down to a few buildings of any significance.

The Elsbeth apt building may be razed soon. Here is article by fellow researcher Joe Backes:

http://justiceforkennedy.blogspot.com/2011/07/605-elsbeth-apartment-may-be-demolished.html#comment-form

This also reminds me of the Coz-i-Eight apartments:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=48702&relPageId=7

Ed

And the Abundant Life Temple was recently torn down in Oak Cliff.

--Tommy

Edited December 20, 2011 by Thomas Graves

[Ed LeDoux]

[quote name='Thomas Graves' date='20 December 2011 - 01:20 PM' timestamp='1324383645'

And the Abundant Life Temple was recently torn down in Oak Cliff.

--Tommy

What!! That was a huge building. Thanks for the info Tommy!

Linda Graham-Lee

Was in Dallas February for my Mother's funeral and revisited our old home on Jefferson across from Sunset Hi. Was so wonderful being back in Dallas/Oak Cliff. The Graham girls took a tour of our old home and it was a real treat. We also toured downtown Oak Cliff seeing the old Texas Theatre and my Dad, O. B. Graham's church at Tenth and Crawford (Abundant Life Temple) Enjoyed the above comments from others. You can take the girl/boy out of Oak Cliff but you can't take Oak Cliff out of the girl/boy.

Linda Graham Shaw-Lee

http://oakcliff.advocatemag.com/2009/05/worth-a-thousand-words/

Ed

Edited December 20, 2011 by Ed LeDoux

[John Dolva]

I thought of those, Ed, but isn't that a bit high?

Some alarm perhaps?

Another thing. I wonder if one can take the window configuration as indicating a (right front corner) vestibule of sorts that could be taken as a downstairs room?

[Ed LeDoux]

John,

Yes they are high, but the power company uses binoculars to read them from a distance.

As you can also see the power line and conduit comes in and down to them. They are the electric meters.

http://www.onthisveryspot.com/pics/spot_1684_760.jpg

The only thing visible from the front door/window would be the stairs going up.

ed

Edited December 20, 2011 by Ed LeDoux

[John Dolva]

edit add Hmm, I asked about an image of the type of El Meter in the wrong thread.

Edited December 22, 2011 by John Dolva

[Ed LeDoux]

Thanks John. Looks like the hammer and nails missed a window!

Film of placard:

I have tracked down relatives of the folks who filmed the N.O. altercation

The family is almost all deceased.

I may need help tracing a Sharon Doyle Cosgrove in Spokane Washington

She was last on 153rd St(?) in Portland OR.

The back story:

I called and talked to Larry Doyle a relative of James Patrick Doyle (jim).

Larry said Jim his wife Charleen (Wilson) and son Jim Jr. have all passed away. The only survivor and the holder of the original pictures and film from the New Orleans incident between Cubans and Lee Oswald may be Sharon. The family were the ones who saw and captured the placard on their camera. They were with the Wilson's.

I believe this is very important to get the footage!!!!!!!

I will try to locate the Wilson's who were with the Doyle's family in NO and also watched the incident happen.

On another note, is there info on Victor Antonio Solez(?) of the 'Dallas Mexican Mafia'

Or James Arthur Jackson's sister Nancy Jackson who was a 'employee' of the Copa Room?

Thanks All and Happy New research Year,

Ed

Edited January 5, 2012 by Ed LeDoux