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He submitted to the course of events. ref Speech on the Mount.

He had been through it before.

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He submitted to the course of events. ref Speech on the Mount.

He had been through it before.

Yes, and He could have had companies of angels taking care of business in His own case as well. If prophecy is involved regarding the end times it stands to reason that there are some pretty powerful opponents of nuclear confrontation in this age as well.

So on that note, in your view what percentage of the witnesses who died in the few years after JFK's assassination were killed by agents (Oswald/Ruby included) vs. how many died with no trace of intelligence involvement?

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He submitted to the course of events. ref Speech on the Mount.

He had been through it before.

Yes, and He could have had companies of angels taking care of business in His own case as well. If prophecy is involved regarding the end times it stands to reason that there are some pretty powerful opponents of nuclear confrontation in this age as well.

So on that note, in your view what percentage of the witnesses who died in the few years after JFK's assassination were killed by agents (Oswald/Ruby included) vs. how many died with no trace of intelligence involvement?

I don't necessarily subscribe to that particular note but I don't think that necessarily matters. I don't think the number who died in the coverup as witnesses or otherwise is known. I think, with ref to an early post re locating victims of the Rule of The Generals in the 70's, it can to some extent be known. Ditto those who can be said to have an ''unrelated'' death.

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He submitted to the course of events. ref Speech on the Mount.

He had been through it before.

Yes, and He could have had companies of angels taking care of business in His own case as well. If prophecy is involved regarding the end times it stands to reason that there are some pretty powerful opponents of nuclear confrontation in this age as well.

So on that note, in your view what percentage of the witnesses who died in the few years after JFK's assassination were killed by agents (Oswald/Ruby included) vs. how many died with no trace of intelligence involvement?

I don't necessarily subscribe to that particular note but I don't think that necessarily matters. I don't think the number who died in the coverup as witnesses or otherwise is known. I think, with ref to an early post re locating victims of the Rule of The Generals in the 70's, it can to some extent be known. Ditto those who can be said to have an ''unrelated'' death.

Well I'm not looking to pin you to a number John, my only point is that if there are enough witnesses who died within the first couple (2-5 or sooner I guess) years after the assassination to trouble any honest researcher, and yet there is no evidence in many of these cases that someone did something to cause it; and you can establish what I consider to be "coincidences" that statistically would have to be in the stratosphere in terms of probability like John Lennon dying on the date the US enters WWII and his son being born 6454 days (922 weeks) after Hiroshima and, after marrying a Japanese woman him being killed by a guy from Hawaii 6454 days (922 weeks) after his son is born, that just maybe the seeming factors at play regarding John Lennon may have been in play with regards to JFK as well?

Who honestly considers this, without attaching an unnecessary degree of morality to the possible causes? If the pct. was just 50% no trace of intelligence involvement, doesn't it still seem like an inordinately high number of witnesses to die so soon after the assassination? I mean, people have tallied this up for a reason, what do you do if half of the cases couldn't have been caused by a person, throw your hands up and say forget it, or try to figure out what else could be at work?

It's not an easy out at all...

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Lee Harvey Oswald applied for a job at a parking garage at 1208 Commerce (note the 1208) a couple of weeks before the assassination. Why? Because he didn't believe the motorcade was ultimately going to go right under his nose at the TSBD?

If so, does that then lead one to believe that someone involved in the assassination must have had the route changed for Oswald's benefit in those last two weeks? Or could it have been just laid right out for him as a gift of sorts? If so, who or what did that? It isn't an out, but another factor to consider that may change certain logic in terms of what has to have happened.

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He submitted to the course of events. ref Speech on the Mount.

He had been through it before.

Yes, and He could have had companies of angels taking care of business in His own case as well. If prophecy is involved regarding the end times it stands to reason that there are some pretty powerful opponents of nuclear confrontation in this age as well.

So on that note, in your view what percentage of the witnesses who died in the few years after JFK's assassination were killed by agents (Oswald/Ruby included) vs. how many died with no trace of intelligence involvement?

I don't necessarily subscribe to that particular note but I don't think that necessarily matters. I don't think the number who died in the coverup as witnesses or otherwise is known. I think, with ref to an early post re locating victims of the Rule of The Generals in the 70's, it can to some extent be known. Ditto those who can be said to have an ''unrelated'' death.

Well I'm not looking to pin you to a number John, - you can't for exactly the reasons I stated. Is it an issue? my only point is that if there are enough witnesses who died within the first couple (2-5 or sooner I guess) years after the assassination to trouble any honest researcher, and yet there is no evidence in many of these cases that someone did something to cause it; and you can establish what I consider to be "coincidences" that statistically would have to be in the stratosphere in terms of probability like John Lennon dying on the date the US enters WWII and his son being born 6454 days (922 weeks) after Hiroshima and, after marrying a Japanese woman him being killed by a guy from Hawaii 6454 days (922 weeks) after his son is born, that just maybe the seeming factors at play regarding John Lennon may have been in play with regards to JFK as well? - I don't know. All I can think of saying is : So?

Who honestly considers this, without attaching an unnecessary degree of morality to the possible causes? If the pct. was just 50% no trace of intelligence involvement, doesn't it still seem like an inordinately high number of witnesses to die so soon after the assassination? I mean, people have tallied this up for a reason, what do you do if half of the cases couldn't have been caused by a person, throw your hands up and say forget it, or try to figure out what else could be at work? - Well, apart from the obvious reasons a CHypothesiser considers there could be things like how say moving home cuts a number of years off your life. Have you seen the movie (uncut) The Killing of America?

It's not an easy out at all...

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Lee Harvey Oswald applied for a job at a parking garage at 1208 Commerce (note the 1208) a couple of weeks before the assassination. Why? - To get a job? Because he didn't believe the motorcade was ultimately going to go right under his nose at the TSBD?

If so, does that then lead one to believe that someone involved in the assassination must have had the route changed for Oswald's benefit in those last two weeks? Or could it have been just laid right out for him as a gift of sorts? If so, who or what did that? It isn't an out, but another factor to consider that may change certain logic in terms of what has to have happened. - Sorry, you've lost me there.

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He submitted to the course of events. ref Speech on the Mount.

He had been through it before.

Yes, and He could have had companies of angels taking care of business in His own case as well. If prophecy is involved regarding the end times it stands to reason that there are some pretty powerful opponents of nuclear confrontation in this age as well.

So on that note, in your view what percentage of the witnesses who died in the few years after JFK's assassination were killed by agents (Oswald/Ruby included) vs. how many died with no trace of intelligence involvement?

I don't necessarily subscribe to that particular note but I don't think that necessarily matters. I don't think the number who died in the coverup as witnesses or otherwise is known. I think, with ref to an early post re locating victims of the Rule of The Generals in the 70's, it can to some extent be known. Ditto those who can be said to have an ''unrelated'' death.

Well I'm not looking to pin you to a number John, - you can't for exactly the reasons I stated. Is it an issue? my only point is that if there are enough witnesses who died within the first couple (2-5 or sooner I guess) years after the assassination to trouble any honest researcher, and yet there is no evidence in many of these cases that someone did something to cause it; and you can establish what I consider to be "coincidences" that statistically would have to be in the stratosphere in terms of probability like John Lennon dying on the date the US enters WWII and his son being born 6454 days (922 weeks) after Hiroshima and, after marrying a Japanese woman him being killed by a guy from Hawaii 6454 days (922 weeks) after his son is born, that just maybe the seeming factors at play regarding John Lennon may have been in play with regards to JFK as well? - I don't know. All I can think of saying is : So?

Who honestly considers this, without attaching an unnecessary degree of morality to the possible causes? If the pct. was just 50% no trace of intelligence involvement, doesn't it still seem like an inordinately high number of witnesses to die so soon after the assassination? I mean, people have tallied this up for a reason, what do you do if half of the cases couldn't have been caused by a person, throw your hands up and say forget it, or try to figure out what else could be at work? - Well, apart from the obvious reasons a CHypothesiser considers there could be things like how say moving home cuts a number of years off your life. Have you seen the movie (uncut) The Killing of America?

It's not an easy out at all...

I think "So" sums it up...

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Ok, what do you mean ''So?'' ?

also :

Lee Harvey Oswald applied for a job at a parking garage at 1208 Commerce (note the 1208) a couple of weeks before the assassination. Why? - To get a job? Because he didn't believe the motorcade was ultimately going to go right under his nose at the TSBD?

If so, does that then lead one to believe that someone involved in the assassination must have had the route changed for Oswald's benefit in those last two weeks? Or could it have been just laid right out for him as a gift of sorts? If so, who or what did that? It isn't an out, but another factor to consider that may change certain logic in terms of what has to have happened. - Sorry, you've lost me there.

I find being lost a bother sometimes, could you help here please?

Edited by John Dolva

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I want to return to this thread and update on what I've been working on the past 4 years. Initially, I had viewed a number of issues that seemed to be embedded into the work of the Beatles and perceived that there was a supernatural element to a number of their materials, especially seeming to be related to the death of John Lennon. What was much more murky to me however, is what exactly the Beatles had done to cause such a thing to take place; if God (or the other team) had indeed taken an interest in the Beatles, what had they done to warrant that?

Well here's what I found: Paul is Dead, is really God is Dead.

If you aren't familiar with the urban legend of Paul is Dead, in 1969 a number of people on various college campuses began reporting that there had been a number of "clues" in the various Beatles materials; LP covers, lyrics, artwork, movies, etc...from 1966 to 1969 that all were supposed to signify that Paul McCartney had died and been replaced by a double, a double that not only looked just like Paul but had his voice and musical talent as well.

People were quite intrigued with all of the clues, as well as the story that Paul had died on November 9th 1966 and been replaced by a guy named William Campbell. Eventually though, Life interviewed Paul on his farm in Scotland and once he appeared on the cover of Life, the furor died down, which really doesn't make a whole lot of sense either seeing as how it still could have been this "double". It then took its place as a favorite urban legend, except for a fringe element who stayed intrigued by the clues and wouldn't really let it go.

Well, back in the early 2000's, a mysterious poster appeared on two of the most popular Paul is Dead forums named Apollo C Vermouth. Apollo left cryptic clues regarding Paul is Dead and the overall concept of a Beatles mystery and implied very strongly that there was indeed something to all of the clues, but perhaps no one had really figured out yet what the Beatles were really talking about; he stated again and again that Sgt. Pepper was the key to everything, that a story had been told that no one had really gotten ahold of yet and everything that the Beatles did after Sgt. Pepper was trying to point people back in the direction of the story they had missed.

One day in 2008, the people who run the Nothing is Real forum announced that Apollo had died, and in fact had been Apple records head and lifelong Beatles insider Neil Aspinall. Aspinall had set up an organization back in the 1990's called Iamaphoney to tie together the various Beatles materials that had been scattered, and in 2006 a guy who went by the name Billy suddenly morphed into a character called Iamaphoney, and did a series of videos which was one of the most popular series of the early days of YouTube, videos which went very quickly from very primitive garden variety Paul is Dead clues to a much more elaborate mystery concerning the Beatles, and seemingly was suddenly blessed with the ability to access Beatles materials that no one had ever seen or heard as well as the ability to travel globally; it was and still is rumored that Aspinall's Iamaphoney organization took in the artist now known as Iamaphoney before passing away.

Iamaphoney was supposed to deliver a revelation on November 9th 2012, but alas on that date he only informed everyone that he could not reveal the answer, and everyone walked away sadly. But a trail had in fact been laid, by the Beatles, by Paul McCartney, and more recently by Apollo and Iamaphoney. Which brings me to this:

In October of 1965, a small group of theologins started what was known as the Death of God movement, led by Emory University's Thomas JJ Altizer. Altizer had originally penned a piece in the October 22nd 1965 issue of Time that got quite a bit of attention, and then poet Anthony Towne wrote an obituary for God and went shopping for a publication to put it into. Towne's obituary had the byline of Atlanta and was dated November 9th 1965.

Then, when that date came, a blackout enveloped the entire East Coast from late afternoon into the next morning.

Towne's obituary for God eventually found its way into the Methodist magazine motive in February of 1966. Then, Altizer's philosophy as well as Towne's obituary found its way into one of the most infamous issues of Time ever; the Is God Dead issue of April 8th 1966. This issue happened to fall on John Lennon's son Julian's 3rd birthday as well.

A couple of weeks earlier, John Lennon had done an interview with Maureen Cleave in which he made his famous pronouncement that the Beatles had probably become more popular than Jesus now. The interview didn't ruffle any feathers when released in England; but when it was released in America on July 29th 1966 it caused a furor that threatened the Beatles careers, with DJ's renouncing them and Beatle bonfires across the Southern U.S. John and the rest of the Beatles gave the best apology they could, given that what they said was most likely accurate, during their tour of the US in August of '66 which mostly quelled the outcry; nevertheless their lives were even threatened before their Memphis concert later that month by the KKK and then a cherry bomb went off onstage during their show, when the tour ended on August 29th 1966 they had enough and decided they weren't going to tour anymore.

And coincidentally, this is when all of the mystery regarding the Beatles, and especially Paul, started.

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August of 1966 would be regarded by any Paul is Dead afficianado as BPID, or Before Paul is Dead. There is an unseen line that has been drawn at the end of their August '66 US Tour that is supposed to be the death of the Beatles moptops, and the beginning of the more worldly mustachio'd Beatles who would eventually make their way onto the Sgt. Pepper cover.

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Old Beatles, New Beatles.

From September of 1966 until November, the Beatles went off to do their own thing for one of the few times since the advent of the group; when they returned to the studio in November they all looked markedly different, Paul in fact looking so much different that those who later believed he had died point to this moment and say he has physically changed so much that he's not the same guy. Plus, he seems taller and isn't funny anymore.

The legend has it that Paul died on November 9th of 1966 in a car accident and the Beatles, not wanting to break up the most popular band of all time, decided to replace him with the winner of a Paul look a like contest from some time back. What did in fact happen on November 9th 1966, is that John Lennon met Yoko Ono. But notice the date, November 9th. The same date as the God is Dead obituary from one year earlier that had made its way into the Time issue.

Now, that may seem nonsensical until you look back a couple of months at the Beatle record burning bonfires and much of the country having turned on them over More Popular Than Jesus and just ask a simple question: Would the Beatles, especially John Lennon, just let go of the fact that they had to apologize for something they were probably right about, to appease a portion of the US that supposedly was Christian but was largely still engaging in racism? Or is the coincidence of all of the mystery starting right then not a coincidence at all.

Sgt. Pepper is released on June 1st 1967 to unrivaled fanfare; it literally took over the world for weeks after its release. It also has more references to time than perhaps any record ever made. There are time references in virtually every single song. But it also has something on the cover, the cover that people think could contain ciphers, a cover that people have poured over for almost 50 years, something so elementary that it goes unnoticed: A doll, pointing at the letters ATL in Beatles.

In the song Within You Without You, a song that seems totally out of place on Pepper because its so preachy, there is a simple line: We were talking about the space between us all. The space between the 4 Beatles? Look back up at the highlighted area, what falls between the 4 Beatles?

The doll, the letters ATL in Beatles, and the drum. Years after Pepper's release, someone took a mirror and put it right in the middle of the drum, and this is what was found.

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I One IX He Die

Amazingly, that can be deciphered as November 9th He Die. This may be the greatest Paul is Dead clue, given that the story had already been planted (and no one is quite sure where it came from) that Paul McCartney had died on November 9th 1966.

But see what else is there, the ATL. ATL. Atlanta. See the obituary? See the date? November 9th 1965, God is Dead.

God is Dead and Paul is Dead, are all mixed up together.

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We were talking About The Love that's grown so cold...

About The Love...ATL, wouldn't mean much if it was the only time it showed up. We'll come back to that.

As I was saying, Paul is Dead and God is Dead are all mixed up together.

Exodus 3:14-God said to Moses, I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I AM has sent me to you.

The-Beatles---Magical-Mystery-Tour-2009-

See a pattern starting to emerge? Paul Was? God Was?

And then there's the curious case of the Walrus. I AM the Walrus. Just who the walrus was seemed to be a point of contention for years. But why? It seems kind of silly, and certainly not Paul is Dead related at all, to care about who the Walrus was. Well, in the Walrus and the Carpenter, what did the Walrus do? It lured all of the oysters out of the ocean and then ate them. Kind of like all the kids who heard Sgt. Pepper and took off for San Francisco or LA in the summer of '67. She's Leaving Home and Melanie Coe. I mean, there has to be a reason why the Walrus went from John, to Paul, and then back to John again. John delivers the line I Was the Walrus but now I'm John as sort of a confessional. The song he said that on was called God by the way.

But what about this-

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Love the 3 Beatles. Certainly that's about Paul. Well remember, the Is God Dead issue of Time fell on Julian Lennon's 3rd birthday. 3 also shows up on the back cover of Abbey Road.

The Obituary for God found in Time promised a full color 24 page booklet with many pictures highlighting God's reign.

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https://youtu.be/3wbDQe-TMpo

Posted by Iamaphoney on the anniversary of God's death in 2007, never saying why he posted it.

So if the Is God Dead issue of Time and the Atlanta based obituary for God on November 9th 1965 is the answer, there must be clues tracking back to this, right?

The story unfolds before your eyes and ears for those that connect the dots. Many of you see things that are not there. Much energy spent on ghosts that fail to materialize. Questions Asked That Lay unanswered which will add a crucial piece of the puzzle. Too many people doing too many things to notice the key that lies at your feet.
Get back to the basics. Tread old ground, for there are truly flowers in the dirt.
Apollo C Vermouth

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Pardon the intrusion...

Keeping in mind the somewhat sinister origins of many of the "Mother Goose" nursery rhymes, you may find the following read interesting enough to reconsider the song "Cry Baby Cry."

When John was interveiwed for Playboy magazine, and giving insights to some of better works stated that the song was "rubbish"
and not one of his.

Yet, he repeats the theme for the song "Cleanup Time" on Double Fantasy" almost word for word.

He must not of hated it THAT much.

Here is how "coded messages" were being sent via harmless "nursery rhymes."

www.snopes.com/lost/sixpence.htm

Apollo C Vermouth


The duchess of Kircaldy always smiling
And arriving late for tea
The duke was having problems
With a message At The Local bird and bee

If I have made your investigations harder by showing you new "flowers in the dirt", I have done my job. You will soon discover the answers you seek to questions not yet asked. If you take my words and discredit the messenger, so be it. I am not here to supply you with answers. That is your job. I will however assist in any form that I am at liberty to share with you. "What did you see while you were there? Nothing that doesn't show."

Apollo

Post by Apollo C. Vermouth on Aug 31, 2003 at 12:41am
A fine job, indeed. The real test comes once the music starts. The cover clues leave no doubt as to "who" is plucking the strings.

The upper corners of the cover depict a familiar beast. What do you make of the bottom ones?

Keep searching the clues on the door.
One in particular is all you need.

Apollo


Here is a post from this forum about Ringo's quote about Rotogravure and the door.

From a press conference in Amsterdam, 1976:

Question: There is a photo of the front door of Apple on the back of the cover, where did you get it?

Ringo: Neil Aspinall took it and sent us one each an I thought, "I'm gonna put it on the back of the album." It's a front door, but it's a back door too. It's got all these names scrawled on it from Finland. That's why you're getting a magnifying glass with the album, so you can read it all. And I thought it would be a nice bit of fun, especially for those who actually wrote on it. It used to be so smart, with a doorman and a pretty letterbox, and now it's just...yeah!

I wonder if there's something being telegraphed with the "names from Finland" remark?

One more thing, his "It's a back door too" remark.. From a Wiki entry:

A backdoor in a computer system (or cryptosystem or algorithm) is a method of bypassing normal authentication or securing remote access to a computer, while attempting to remain hidden from casual inspection.

In other words, a way of gaining access (to a computer's secrets) while remaining undetected, and not using the normal means of access.


So Ringo singles out Finland.

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Harry Nilsson, one of the artists closest to the Beatles

Ambush

The lamp that lights the way
Is a light from yesterday.
The drum which leads the way
Is a sound from yesterday

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Paul McCartney's Amoeba's Secret LP, showing NoPID in the upper right with ATL right below it.

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The Run Devil Run McCartney album, the store being on Broad Street in Atlanta.

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Sure, there's more.

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If Paul McCartney in all these years ever came close to giving away the answer, he did so in the lyrics to the song House of Wax a few years back.

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House of Wax

Hidden in the yard
underneath the wall
buried deep below
A
Thousand
Layers
...lay the answer to it all.

But there is more...

Looking Through A Glass Onion

But still they lead me back
To the long winding road
You left me waiting here
A long Long Time Ago
Don't leave me standing here
Lead me to your door





I used to chide people that said you could find backwards hidden messages anywhere, I've tried on probably over a thousand songs and the truth is you maybe can find something remotely discernible 5% of the time...unless its the Beatles of course and then it's about half. And no other band that I've ever tried with comes even close to that. This ATL thing is very similar to that...not that it can't be found, but it's relatively rare compared to the Beatles work, especially Paul's solo work where there is an ATL in virtually every LP of his.

Back then Long Time Ago when grass was green
Woke up in a daze arrived like strangers in the night
Fab Long Time Ago when we was fab
Fab back when income tax was all we had

Caresses fleeced you in the morning light
Casualties at dawn and we did it all
Fab Long Time Ago when we was fab
Fab you are my world you are my only love

And while youre in this world
The fuzz gonna come and claim you but you mo better wise
When the buzz gonna come and take you away
Take you away, take you away

The microscopes that magnified the tears
Studied warts and all still the life flows on and on
Fab Long Time Ago when we was fab
Fab but its all over now baby blue

Fab Long Time Ago when we was fab
Fab like this pullover you sent to me
Fab and youve really got a hold me
Fab Long Time Ago when we was fab

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Time is the answer

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Now, if you read this and conclude that I'm saying that The Beatles were evil, well no I'm not really saying that. I am certainly suggesting that they may have been avenging something they perceived had really been done to them in the Summer of '66 with the More Popular Than Jesus controversy and that it may have been better to try and change the world for the better without ever saying a single word about it by advocating for freedom.

If you consider that to be evil, so be it, I mean, its not like anyone was protesting anything by the Summer of Love, the world had radically changed in less than a year. But consider the lyrics to Harry Nillson's Ambush again, a song worked on by both George and Ringo, and understand that there seems to be a war being spoken of, a war entirely different than the one commonly thought of during that era.

The lamp that lights the way
Is a light from yesterday
The drum which leads the way
Is a sound from yesterday

The road is filled with shadows
Of a million, living leaves
Darkness all around us
And not a friend in sight

We sang a song together
To help us through the night
The song was sung with spirit
But soft and like a choir

And as the others sang along
Our voices lifted higher
We sang until' we reached the bridge
We crossed, then saw the wire

But by the time we stopped the song
The enemy had opened fire

Now, we ain't gonna sing that song no more
Ain't gonna sing that song no more
Just don't pay to sing no more
Especially when you're in a war, a war

Now, this time through
We want everybody
To listen to the punchline
All right, all right, all right, all right

The song was sung with spirit
But soft and like a choir
But by the time, we stopped the song
The enemy had opened fire

Now, we ain't gonna sing that song no more
Ain't gonna sing that song no more
Just don't pay to sing no more
Especially when you're in a war, oh


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