Doug Horne: AF One (Clifton) Tapes

Greg Burnham · March 9, 2012

Tonight's Black Op Radio Show with Len Osanic's interview of Doug Horne is a MUST hear.

It is show #569.

Doug Horne on Black Op Radio

Doug is at his best. His interpretation of the evidence is stellar. His conclusion is very

astute, namely that: Those in government, most notably those in relevant government

positions post 1975 era, are cowards. They know the truth and are simply too petrified

of the ramifications to reveal the truth. Indeed, they are much too petrified to allow the

records themselves (even minus any logical damning conclusions) to be released to

the public.

This dovetails nicely with the sentiments of Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty, who said:

"If these things became widely known...what really happened...the fear is that it could

bring down the entire government. It is primarily for this reason that the cover up is still

perpetuated."

Edited March 9, 2012 by Greg Burnham

March 9, 2012

A friend asked me the simple question yesterday of whether or not I would hold up my cell phone to record perceived organized crime thugs beating someone and then pushing the victim into the trunk of a car. I said no, of course not.

Then he asked why anyone would think they could hold up a phone or other camera in plain sight of police or military while they were using force against someone on the street, and not expect the police or military to turn their attention to the photographer and make him wish he had kept his camera in his pocket.

The "government" has moved on to bigger and more troubling pursuits. The rule of law is suspended for the duration.

There isn't even a pretense of bidness as usual. Stick a fork in it....fat lady's warmin' up in the mezzanine, and any minute she'll be out to sing it, one last time!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/07/mueller-have-to-check-with-holder-whether-targeted-killing-rule-is-outside-us/?test=latestnews#ixzz1oUCulWjc
FBI director: Have to check whether targeted killing rule is outside US only

By Catherine Herridge

Published March 07, 2012 | FoxNews.com

FBI Director Robert Mueller on Wednesday said he would have to go back and check with the Department of Justice whether Attorney General Eric Holder's "three criteria" for the targeted killing of Americans also applied to Americans inside the U.S.

Pressed by House lawmakers about a recent speech in which Holder described the legal justification for assassination, Mueller, who was attending a hearing on his agency's budget, did not say without qualification that the three criteria could not be applied inside the U.S.

"I have to go back. Uh, I'm not certain whether that was addressed or not," Mueller said when asked by Rep. Tom Graves, R-Ga., about a distinction between domestic and foreign targeting

Graves followed up asking whether "from a historical perspective," the federal government has "the ability to kill a U.S. citizen on United States soil or just overseas."

"I'm going to defer that to others in the Department of Justice," Mueller replied.

Indeed, Holder's Monday speech at Northwestern University seemed to leave the door open....

Edited March 9, 2012 by Tom Scully

Greg Burnham · March 9, 2012

In my view, the main pertinent conclusion is this:

Those in relevant POSITIONS of government are too cowardly to accept the ramifications of what revelation of the TRUTH to the citizens might encompass.

This is huge.

It is also very simple.

But, it is huge... and very necessary.

Michael Griffin · March 9, 2012

Greg,

Great comments.

I spoke with Sirhan's now deaceased attorney, Larry Teeter, at a November conference in about 2003. I got a chance to speak to him privately for a minute, and I asked him why he thought the government, 35 to 40 years later, was still perpetuating the cover-ups regarding the assassinations of JFK, MLK, RFK. I'm paraphrasing, but Larry replied that they continued to do so because once the American public learned the truth about any one of these events, they'd never be able to pull the wool over the eyes of the American public again. I think he hit the nail right on the head.

If I recall correctly, I've seen you express sentiments very similar to Larry's on this or another forum.

Mike

Greg Burnham · March 9, 2012

Thank you, Michael.

I wrote the following piece back in 1999. It might be what you are remembering:

Since Oswald Didn't Do It...

By Gregory Burnham ®

11-4-99

We all know that is, in fact the case, don't we?

Yes. We've known that for a very long time, indeed.

What does that mean to us on the 36th anniversary of the assassination of President Kennedy? Why are the records not released in full? What does the statement:

"Those files are postponed in full for reasons of National Security" ... actually mean?

If those files contained evidence, in support of the "official version" -- then exactly "which Nation's Security is being assured" by the continued classification of these

"innocuous" documents?

Not mine.

For those of us in the JFK Assassination Research Community, the events of November 22, 1963 -- do NOT exist in a vacuum. They exist in the "present tense" but,

they belong in the past. Until we can write the "true history" of those events, our history will remain in a state of flux; ever evolving into what the media can get us to

agree to accept.

Is the time required to investigate the life history of OSWALD, time well spent? Will we find clues to the real culprits by studying the "records" on this man? Records which

either prove his guilt -- (of course why hide them if that is true?), or they prove his innocence. Are we perhaps playing into the hands of the cabal who "created a patsy"

for this very purpose, (details be damned)?

I do not ask these questions frivolously or to be argumentative in any way, but rather for clarification.

Since almost all of us agree that OSWALD did not act alone, why is that not enough? Most of the "in-fighting" occurring amongst JFK researchers is not as a result of any

disagreement on that most fundamental issue, namely: the OSWALD story -- as the Warren Commission Reported it -- is nothing more than fiction.

The in-fighting is due to the constant debate over the details of "the how" (not the "if") a conspiracy -- was responsible for murdering the 35th President. Some believe the

Zapruder film is a hoax, AND obviously they also believe there exists a conspiracy. Others believe the film is authentic AND most of them STILL believe there exists a conspiracy.

Some believe there are at least two OSWALDS, AND they obviously also believe there exists a conspiracy. Others do not believe, have grave doubts, or are just undecided if there

was more than one OSWALD, but STILL they too, believe there exists a conspiracy.

Should we perhaps refrain from researching OSWALD? I do not mean to say that the subject was never important, but that the research which has already been done in this regard

has not affected the "collective awareness" of the people, no matter how strong or weak the evidence discovered has been.

Finally, the "politicians" and others in government DO NOT need convincing! They already are absolutely POSITIVE that a conspiracy exists! Why? Because, that is, by its very nature,

a PRIMARY ingredient required for a coup d'etat to be a success. Such a violent takeover is not supposed to be a temporary thing, rather it is carefully orchestrated to last indefinitely.

That's why those remaining within the surviving "political structure" are made to know that a "power-base" exists; that it is responsible for the coup; and that it is in CONTROL. No lone

nut, at all. The knowledge that those who would resist this power-base are under the same guns as were JFK, RFK, & MLK, stays the hand of our elected Representatives to this day...

"If the politicians really believed that a lone nut was responsible, this would still be a Nation of, by, and for 'We The People' -- but, they don't believe it either..."

The Lone Nut Theory is designed to fool the people not the politicians...

For if the people were to refuse to accept it, they would rise up and take their country back. Then the "power-base" would cease to exist.

When the truth is finally admitted that: "Yes, there was a conspiracy" -- and it will be admitted [one day], the operative word in the admission will be, WAS -- as in, past tense.

And if "we the people" simply accept it, then darker days than we've ever imagined, shall be upon us...

Greg Burnham

_____

An excerpt from Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty...

"Since World War II, there have been hundreds of "coups d'etats" - a euphemism for assassination. That list will grow as long as the United States does its diplomatic work clandestinely. Why else

did Henry Kissinger 'shuttled' from country to country in the Middle East? If his relationship with each of these countries is an undercover relationship, then he cannot meet with them publicly and

in a group.

"Eventually, practitioners of assassination by the removal of power reach the point where they see that technique as fit for the removal of opposition anywhere."

That was why President Kennedy was killed.

"He was not murdered by some lone, gunman or by some limited conspiracy, but by the breakdown of the protective system that should have made an assassination impossible.

"Once insiders knew that he would not be protected, it was easy to pick the day and the place. In fact, those responsible for luring Kennedy to Dallas on November 22, 1963 were not even in on the

plan itself. He went to Texas innocuously enough: to dedicate an Air Force hospital facility at Brooks Air Force Base in San Antonio. It was not too difficult then to get him to stop at Fort Worth - 'to

mend political fences.'

"Of course, no good politician would go to Fort Worth and skip Dallas. All the conspirators had to do was to let the right 'mechanics' know where Kennedy would be and when and, most importantly,

that the usual precautions would not have been made and that escape would be facilitated. This is the greatest single clue to that assassination.

"Who had the power to call off or drastically reduce the usual security precautions that always are in effect whenever a president travels? Castro did not kill Kennedy, nor did the CIA. The power source

that arranged that murder was on the inside. It had the means to reduce normal security and permit the choice of a hazardous route. It also has had the continuing power to cover up that crime for [36]

years."

Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty, USAF [ret.]

Nathaniel Heidenheimer · March 9, 2012

Agreed. The assassinations are about the legitimation of our current political circus. Or not.

Agreed. Last nights Black Op Radio beyond even my stretched capacity for hyperbole. Everyone must listen to it now.

I only listened to the first half and look forward to the second.

Also people should really spread it around and post it where lots will see it. Because the flight recordings made Corporate Media news recently you have a hook to hang this incredible BOR show on.

William Kelly · March 10, 2012

Tonight's Black Op Radio Show with Len Osanic's interview of Doug Horne is a MUST hear.

It is show #569.

Doug Horne on Black Op Radio

Doug is at his best. His interpretation of the evidence is stellar. His conclusion is very

astute, namely that: Those in government, most notably those in relevant government

positions post 1975 era, are cowards. They know the truth and are simply too petrified

of the ramifications to reveal the truth. Indeed, they are much too petrified to allow the

records themselves (even minus any logical damning conclusions) to be released to

the public.

This dovetails nicely with the sentiments of Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty, who said:

"If these things became widely known...what really happened...the fear is that it could

bring down the entire government. It is primarily for this reason that the cover up is still

perpetuated."

Thanks for that Greg,

I too think its an important issue and hope we can develop it further.

BK

JFKcountercoup

William Kelly · March 11, 2012

Tonight's Black Op Radio Show with Len Osanic's interview of Doug Horne is a MUST hear.

It is show #569.

http://blackopradio....chives2012.html

Black Op Radio

Doug Horne on Black Op Radio

Doug is at his best. His interpretation of the evidence is stellar. His conclusion is very

astute, namely that: Those in government, most notably those in relevant government

positions post 1975 era, are cowards. They know the truth and are simply too petrified

of the ramifications to reveal the truth. Indeed, they are much too petrified to allow the

records themselves (even minus any logical damning conclusions) to be released to

the public.

This dovetails nicely with the sentiments of Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty, who said:

"If these things became widely known...what really happened...the fear is that it could

bring down the entire government. It is primarily for this reason that the cover up is still

perpetuated."

Thanks for that Greg,

I too think its an important issue and hope we can develop it further.

BK

JFKcountercoup

Black Op Radio

From what I understand the program was very successful, Doug touched on a lot of important points, Len asked good questions, and the show was listened to by a lot of people from all over North American and Europe.

The map at the bottom of this post shows the locations of those who tuned in live:

JFKcountercoup: Doug Horne on Black Op Radio

Here's the synopsis:

Show #569

Original airdate: March 8, 2012

Guest: Doug Horne

Topics: Transcripts of the Air Force One Tapes

Play Part One - Doug Horne (3:00:00) RealMedia or MP3download

 Doug performedstaff work on the ARRB andwrote a five volume book (2009)

 Air Force One audio tapes, Cedar Rapids, theFishbowl, call-sign Liberty, Collins Radio,Bill Kelly

 SAM

, David Lifton,the AP article,Clifton, 2:20 long, on-line recordings,2 mp3's

 Doug's blog, take off/landing timesfor Air Force Two, Col. Dorman tryingto get hold of Gen. LeMay

 MSgt. Trimble,4 simultaneous frequencies, the 02:17:00flight should have 6 hrs of recorded conversation

 Still missingmessages, to Salinger and Asst. Sec. State Robert Manning fromWH Situation Room

 The Making of thePresident 1964,Oswald guilty message passed to Air Force One

 General LeMay,what was he doing the day of the assassination?

 Airman Gilmore,contact LeMay, log bookrescued from trash, Chuck Holmes

 Airplane sent to Toronto,diverted to Wairton, Secretary ofthe Air Force orders plane to Andrews

 Lands at National,a civilian airport in a military craft at 5:12 PM EST, 52 minutes before AF1 lands

 Warren Kozak book,p356, "on a hunting trip in Michigan", a strong dislike between LeMayand JFK

 JCS, SAC, Gen. Power, Seven Daysin May (1962), LeMay calling Kennedy a coward

 Missile Crisis,quotes from transcript, Timothy Naftali, Munich,Cuba had tactical nuclear weapons

 Russian Beartesticles, "We've won", "We've been had", LeMay,"Won, hell!, We lost", first strike

 Paul O'Conner, Navy man atautopsy, LeMay was at the autopsy, smoking a cigar,

 Why is LeMays aidenot with him?, Why a special flight to get him? Lying about where he was thatday

 67 Japanese citiesdestroyed by firebombing,a cheerleader of the coup, SIOP-62

 The autopsy site andthe mode of transportation forthe body

 Context, threecasket entries to the morgue, 6:35 pm,cheap metal shipping casket, 6:55, 8:15

 Kellerman to Behn,"Waiting for swearing in", "After the uh, body"

 Aft starboardgalley door, Dr. Rose,Aubrey Rike, Mrs. Kennedyon board, flying command post

 Col. Hornbuckle,where will the autopsy be? Kellerman, Adm. Burkley,ambulance to Walter Reed

 Behn, "No, byhelicopter to Bethesda",Burkley, to Walter Reed, "Choppered to South Grounds"

 "Body by heloto Bethesda", Clifton/Watchman, Heaton,ambulance to Walter Reed,

 Mortuary ambulance,"Black car...black Cadillac", Col. Swindal, rampforward on starboard side

 NBC,6:04 pm, AF One rolls to a stop,"an Army helo has just landed", gray Naval ambulance

 6:09 ambulance departs, Jackie stayed with the coffin,"ambulance to helicopters"

 6:20 TV coverage is cut, Lifton/Lancer 1996,interviewed a Marine helicopter pilot

 Hid his chopperbehind some trees, to approach unnoticed if possible, fly body to Bethesda

 HMX Squadron, Anacostia,the Hot Team, flew back to Quantico,motorcade took 45 or 46 minutes

 The actual intentof those controlling theautopsy, Gawler's FuneralHome, Tom Robinson

 The body wasremoved before the swearing-in,reunite his body with the casket at Walter Reed

 Early entry toperform inspection, post-mortem/pre-autopsy surgery, remove evidence of frontalshots

 Walter Reed, 1997Dr. Dick Davis, AFIP,all set to do a craniotomy, the body never arrived

 Originally to go toWalter Reed, altered there, then Humes and Boswell toserve as dupes,

 Dallascasket/ambulance lost andfound on Bethesda grounds, signed letters ofsilence

 Lipsey (HSCA)mentions decoy ambulance, diagram ofwounds description, three hits from behind

 Humes told FBI twoshots, the chain of custody was broken, a clandestine operation was afoot

 Remaining minutesof the recording? recordings made at Liberty, WHCA property

 Salandria,White, Manning,fingering the lone assassin way too early in the game, absurd

 Crown/Behn/Bundy,sceptical, wonderful if another tape showed up, government search, they refused

 Behind a wall ofsilence, risk, blame and exposure, raise a massive uproar, political cowardice

 Covered up in the60's by guilty men and to prevent WWIII, perpetuated by cowards

 We don't need to beprotected from the truth, AARB cop-out, no official investigation orconclusions

 Anna Nelson, DeMohrenschildt linkedto VP Johnson, FBI bugged KBG,Johnson responsible

 SS InspectorGeneral Tom Kelley opposeda bill making Pres. assassination afederal crime

 Melvin Eisenberg memo, EarlWarren, to shut down rumors Johnson was involved

 Brain, tissueslides, photographs, x-rays missing, altered, accessory after the fact

 Pre-autopsysurgery? Robinson sawhead sawed open, x-raytechnician Ed Reed, the forehead, photographs, x-rays

 8:00 "autopsy", altering the wounds, expand thehead wound, destruction ofevidence, a charade

 Secret or shadowgovernment still in control? Eisenhower warned us,Military/Industrial complex

 Jeremy Gunn,ARRB charter forbade investigation and conclusions, Blakey,a limited hangout

 Autopsy attendees?A list,unusual, LeMay was there to gloat, the gallery wasfull, Galloway/Burkley

 Thomas Jefferson,

 Hooverand Johnson, essential enablers, Sibert and O'Neill report,"surgery of the head area"

 The WC buried thatevidence, Ebersol,Gerald Custer,story kept changing, Ed Reed,occipital

 Boswell ARRB deposition,bone missing, but it looked intact, burning ofautopsy notes

 Fink's notesdisappeared, a first draft reviewed without Fink, Capt. Canada,Capt. Stover

 Galloway,third written version, Doug's book, Joannides,assigned as CIA liason toHSCA

 A big conspiracy, amassive government cover-up, implemented immediately, too soon

 Do notblindly accept the pronouncements of authority, demand the right to know

Black Op Radio

Edited March 11, 2012 by William Kelly

William Kelly · March 11, 2012

Tonight's Black Op Radio Show with Len Osanic's interview of Doug Horne is a MUST hear.

It is show #569.

http://blackopradio.com/archives2012.html

Doug is at his best. His interpretation of the evidence is stellar. His conclusion is very

astute, namely that: Those in government, most notably those in relevant government

positions post 1975 era, are cowards. They know the truth and are simply too petrified

of the ramifications to reveal the truth. Indeed, they are much too petrified to allow the

records themselves (even minus any logical damning conclusions) to be released to

the public.

This dovetails nicely with the sentiments of Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty, who said:

"If these things became widely known...what really happened...the fear is that it could

bring down the entire government. It is primarily for this reason that the cover up is still

perpetuated."

Thanks for that Greg,

I too think its an important issue and hope we can develop it further.

BK

JFKcountercoup