William Earl Nelson

[Guest Tom Scully]

CIA LOSING CHIEF FOR COVERT ACTIONS

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New York Times - Apr 28, 1976

William E. Nelson, deputy director for operations, confirmed that he announced h( s plans to retire at a staff meeting on Monday, the same day the committee report was made public. ... "It's a coincidence," Mr. Nelson, 5b years old, said.

rW. E. NELSON WEDS MISS 11/[. P. O'OIALLEN; Graduate of ...

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New York Times - May 15, 1949

... brothel-s of the bride; Philip A. Fendig of Washington, Gardner Cunningham of Princeton, NJ, David Schirmer of iN ew York and Andrew E. Rice of Milwaukee.

http://newspaperarchive.com/wisconsin-state-journal/1946-08-03/page-3

Page 3, Wisconsin State Journal, August 3, 1946 ...

newspaperarchive.com/wisconsin-state-journal/1946-08-03/page-3

... Prof and Mrs William G Rice 2212 Hill ington Green Lieut Rice a graduate of Wis consin high school has just returned from occupation in Japan was in the ser

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1947/5/14/avc-works-out-convention-posts-pthe/

AVC Works Out Convention Posts

NO WRITER ATTRIBUTED

Published: Wednesday, May 14, 1947

The University AVC's ten-man, Milwaukee-bound delegation systematized their duties for the national convention next month by assigning specific jobs to one another in an open meeting yesterday afternoon at the Chapter's PBH office.

Pre-convention conferring, presided over by delegation chairman Reginald Zalles 2G, named four voting representatives and their three assistants, and left Richard G. Axt '46 free to carry out duties contingent to his appointment as Executive Field Secretary for the AVC Massachusetts State Council, announcement of which was made at yesterday's caucus.

Stanley G. Karson '48, Chapter chairman, was chosen voting delegate in the Nominations Committee, which will weed out a slate for national elections from an expected avalanche of candidates.

Harvard's Other Votes

Other voting positions were parcelled to Russell H. Jackson, Jr. 21, in the Domestic Affairs Committee, William E. Nelson 1G--in the International Affairs Committee, and Andrew E. Rice '45 1G-- in the Veterans Affairs Committee.

Jackson, who is retiring Chapter vice-chairman, will have Thomas R. Brooks '50 as an side. Nelson, new Chapter vice-chairman, and Rice, the Chapter's executive secretary-elect, will be assisted by Solig S. Harrison '48 and Frank L. Haley '45, respectively. Robert L. Fischelis '50 will serve as an side to delegation chief Zalles, who is retiring Chapter chairman.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1947/5/2/avc-chooses-new-slate-for-coming/

AVC Chooses New Slate for Coming Year

Karson New Chairman; Chapter Also Picks Ten Delegates For Milwaukee Convention

NO WRITER ATTRIBUTED

Published: Friday, May 02, 1947

Leaders of the "non-party line" wing of the University American Veterans Committee won a striking victory last night, when all but one member of their slate achieved success in the chapter's annual balloting for executive committee posts.

Climaxing several days of caucuses and counter-caucuses, the election meeting was expected to produce a sharp functional fight but a wave of withdrawals and declinations left only one nominee apiece for nine of the 15 positions on the executive group.

Karson Elected Chairman

Those chosen without opposition include: Stanley G. Karson '49, chairman; Andrew E. Rice 1G, executive secretary; Selig S. Harrison '48, recording secretary; and Lawrence M. Jaffa 1Dv, treasurer. William E. Nelson 1G captured the vice-chairmanship by a 145 to 75 tally.

William L. Hungate 2L, who won the finance committee chairmanship by an 87 vote majority, was the only man not nominated by any caucus to win a post.

While the victorious caucus asserted that most of its candidates were "nonparty line" men, it admitted that because of "their work in the chapter during the past year," it had put several men on its slate whose views differed from those of the caucus.

250 Attend

Almost 250 of the AVC's 842 members were present at the meeting, which took place in Emerson D.

In the election of delegates to the A.V.C.'s national convention in Milwaukee this June, the "non-party line" caucus again scored an overwhelming victory when all ten of its nominees were elected.

Richard G. Axt '46, Thomas R. Brooks '50, Robert L. Fischelis '50, Frank L. Haley '45, Harrison, Russell H. Jackson, Jr. 2L, Karson, Nelson, Rice, and Reginald H. Zalles 1G were named as delegates. Ten alternates were also elected at the meeting.

Most of those present stayed for all the elections, but many walked out before the concluding speeches at the three-and-a-half-hour meeting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Veterans_Committee

American Veterans Committee

....Notable members

Evans Carlson (1896-1947), brigadier general, USMC

Merle Hansen (1919-2009), activist

Gilbert A. Harrison (1915-2008), editor and owner of The New Republic

Phineas Indritz (1916-1997), constitutional lawyer[6]

Bentley Kassal (born 1917), attorney, jurist, state legislator

Timothy Leary (1920-1996), psychologist, activist[1]

Bill Mauldin (1921-2003), editorial cartoonist[1]

Luther Metke (1883-1983), poet

Cord Meyer, Jr. (1920-2001), CIA official[4]

William R. Ming, Jr. (1911-1973), civil rights lawyer[7]

Ronald Reagan (1911-2004), actor, U.S. president[1]

Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jr. (1914-1988), U.S. representative[5]

Shelby Storck (1916-1969), documentary filmmaker[citation needed]

Michael Straight (1916-2004), magazine publisher, novelist[8]....

WEDDING IN INDIANA FOR PEGGY GOODWIN

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New York Times - Jul 25, 1954

Miss Peggy Goodwin was married here at noon today to Andrew E. Riceof Washington, DC, national executive director of the American Veterans' Committee.

Mrs. M. Goodwin Devaney was! her sister s matron of honor, and ]the other attendants ... They are the sons of Mr. and Mrs. William G. Rice of Madison, Wisc. ....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/10/AR2010061005089.html

Andrew E. Rice, member of group that helped create the Peace Corps, dies at 87

Friday, June 11, 2010

Andrew E. Rice, 87, a member of the research group whose work led to the creation of the Peace Corps and who also served as the chief operating officer at the Society for International Development, died June 1 at his home in Cabin John of complications from liver cancer.

With Maurice L. Albertson and Pauline E. Birky, Dr. Rice co-authored "New Frontiers for American Youth: Perspective on the Peace Corps" (1961), which laid the groundwork for the basic design of the Peace Corps.

In 1957, Dr. Rice helped form the Society for International Development, an organization that fosters development programs around the world. He worked there until his retirement in 1980. Previously, he was president and chairman of the International Development Conference, a cooperative of U.S. non-governmental organizations.

Andrew Eliot Rice, a Boston native, graduated from Harvard University in 1942 and received a doctorate in international development from Syracuse University in 1960. During World War II, he served in the Army.

Since the 1970s, Dr. Rice was a member and past chairman of the board of directors of the Worldwatch Institute, an environmental research center. He also was a past president of the United Nations Association of the National Capital Area.

During the 1990s, Dr. Rice was an adjunct professor at American University's School of International Service. For the past 15 years, he wrote a historical column for the Cabin John Village News. He was a cellist with the Symphony of the Potomac since the early 1970s.

His marriage to Peggy Rice ended in divorce. A son from that marriage, Peter Rice, died in 2006.

Survivors include his wife of 38 years, Constance Bergfors of Cabin John; one son from his first marriage, William Rice of Washington; two sons from his second marriage, Stefan Rice of Helsinki and Dr. Brandt Rice of Blue Hill, Maine; a brother; a sister; and two grandchildren.

There Is a Myth About the Peace Corps Being a Front for the CIA ...

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2094254_2094247_2094275,00.html

Thursday, Sept. 22, 2011

Top 10 Things You Didn't Know About Peace Corps

While certain organizations have been created in the past as fronts for the CIA — such as Air America, which was wholly owned and operated by the agency throughout the Vietnam War — the Peace Corps has never been identified as one of these covers. However, that didn't stop the myth from developing and spreading over the years. Because Peace Corps volunteers are often ingrained in the culture of the countries they are helping, it isn't uncommon for workers to be privy to information that might be useful to the U.S. government. However, using the Peace Corps members would almost certainly put them in danger, thus the CIA has a policy that strictly prohibits using volunteers for intelligence purposes. Further rules apply for Peace Corps volunteers serving in the military. Former members can't be assigned to military intelligence duties for four years following their Peace Corps service, and they may never serve the military in the country where they've volunteered. Finally, the employment application for the CIA includes questions about a candidate's association with the Peace Corps, and the Peace Corps application specifically states that employment by an intelligence agency excludes applicants from being able to serve as volunteers.....

Molehunt: the secret search for traitors that shattered the CIA

books.google.com David Wise - 1992 - 325 pages

Chapter 16: Downfall

....With the Hersh story about to explode, Colby telephoned Angleton and told him that the Times was on to Operation CHAOS, the domestic surveillance program, and other potentially embarrassing secrets. "I called Jim up. I said, 'I'm sorry this has happened. It really doesn't relate to our discussions. You and I know we've had these discussions over a long period of time. But I insist you go now.' I wasn't going to go into the uproar that was coming with Jim there and have to defend him and work with him. Because some of the Jewels were things he did, like the mail opening. I said, 'There's not a person in the world going to believe us, Jim, that it wasn't caused by Sy.'"

But, in retrospect, Colby agreed that the "precise timing" of his dismissal of Angleton was indeed a result of Hersh's story in the Times. He had, after all, fired Angleton in anticipation of its appearance. [6]

Hersh's story led the paper on Sunday, December 22, 1974, under a four-column headline: "HUGE CIA OPERATION REPORTED IN U.S. AGAINST ANTIWAR FORCES, OTHER DISSIDENTS IN NIXON YEARS." The Times story reported that the CIA, in violation of its charter, had conducted "a massive illegal domestic intelligence operation" against the antiwar movement, and had engaged in break-ins, wiretaps, and "the surreptitious inspection of mail." [7]

Hersh's story set off a political chain reaction. President Gerald R. Ford, skiing in Vail, Colorado, announced he would tolerate no illegal spying and ordered Colby to prepare a report on the CIA operation. Colby ordered the DDO, William E. Nelson, to draft it. "By eight A.M. Monday," Miler said, "I had been advised I was to stand by to review some material being prepared by Nelson's office for the White House about the Hersh article. We had to review the Family Jewels report about mail opening and other things for the report that Colby flew out to Vail. Then I was told to be in Nelson's office at seven o'clock that night.

"During the day Jim called in me and Ray Rocca, and explained he was retiring." Rocca was the deputy chief of the CI Staff. Also present at the meeting in Nelson's office that night, Miler said, were Angleton; Nelson, slim, blond, well-tailored and smooth of manner; and Nelson's deputy, David Blee.

"Nelson explained Jim was retiring, they were making big changes in CI, Rock [Raymond Rocca] and I were no longer to be in CI. Then he turned to me and said, 'What are you going to do?' 'I guess I'll retire.' 'Good.' He turned to Rock and he said, 'I guess I'll retire.' That was it."

Two days later, Hersh reported the resignation of James Angleton, and soon after, of Rocca, Miler, and William J. Hood, another Angleton deputy and a thirty-year veteran of the OSS and the CIA. Hood, a latecomer to Angleton's inner circle -- he had joined the staff as executive officer only in 1973 -- had planned to retire anyway, Miler said, but was caught up in the mass departures. ....

William Earl Nelson was the best man in the wedding of Philip Fertig, who was an usher in Nelson's wedding.:

CIA Who's Where in Europe

http://cryptome.org/dirty-work/cia-who-where.htm

FENDIG, PHILIP FRANKLIN.

Ted Shackley introduces Philip F. Fendig to the HSCA :

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=1138492

MISS C. JOHNSTON IS WED IN CAPITAL; Has 2 Attendants at ...

New York Times - May 17, 1953

Johnston, wasl married this afternoon to Philipi Franklin Fendig, son of Mrs. Benjamin Franklin Fendig of Rensse- laer, Ind., and he late lr. Fendig,I in St. Thomas

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-cHWXpwXyfFU/T4vauJcUMkI/AAAAAAAAAFU/NH0LH0aeqhw/s713/NeslonBestManMay17_1953NYT.jpg

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Fendig&GSbyrel=in&GSdyrel=in&GSob=n&GRid=37412206&

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-aeR5XMAOSbo/T4vanYhlwnI/AAAAAAAAAFM/p29sQx8sGaw/s917/NelsonUsherObitAug1_1980WaPo.jpg

CIA LOSING CHIEF FOR COVERT ACTIONS

New York Times - Apr 28, 1976

William E. Nelson, deputy director for operations, confirmed that he announced h( s plans to retire at a staff meeting on Monday, the same day the committee

Business and People

Los Angeles Times - Apr 13, 1981

... Fluor Corp. announced the promotion of William E Nelson as vice president- corporate security and Gerald B. Slnykln as vice president-medical ser- vices

http://www.justice.gov/oig/special/9712/ch05p1.htm

Chapter V: Ronald Lister

....A. Background of Lister

When interviewed by the OIG, Ronald Lister said that he was in law enforcement for approximately 13 years: first with the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department in 1967, then with the City of Maywood, California, Police Department from 1969 to 1973, and finally with the City of Laguna Beach Department in California, from 1973 to 1980. In 1980, Lister left the Laguna Beach Police Department to "go into the security business full-time."(45) He became the owner of Terman International Security Consultants, which later became Mundy's Security Group. The business was based in Newport Beach, California. Lister told the OIG that the company was "involved in physical security applications, both overseas and here in the U.S., commercial, institutional, maybe governmental, residential."

In researching DOJ files, the OIG found five FBI files on Lister. In September 1983, Lister's company, Pyramid International Security Consultants, was listed as the subject in a neutrality violation investigation involving the sale of weapons to El Salvador and the loan of money from Saudi Arabia to the Salvadoran government. Lister was also alleged to be attempting to sell arms to several other countries. No further information was ever developed in this matter. .....

....Lister told LASD investigators that he could not recall what "DIA" stood for, but that it was not the Defense Intelligence Agency. He later told them that it stood for "deals in arms" and that he used the abbreviation because he "thought it was cute. " Lister told the OIG, however, that DIA stood for Defense Intelligence Agency, and that he had referred to Weekly as a DIA subcontractor because an individual named Tim LaFrance had told him that Weekly worked for the DIA. Lister said he merely assumed that Weekly did, but never discussed it with Weekly. Lister added that there were no "CIA operatives" listed on the sheet. Lister told the OIG that he was aware that Bill Nelson had previously worked for the CIA, but that he was retired and had his own security company. The CIA OIG confirmed that an individual named William Nelson was at one time the Deputy Director for operations at the CIA.

When the OIG asked Lister why the Contras had been mentioned in the meeting he documented with Weekly, Lister explained that he had told Weekly about his past contact with Contras in an effort to make himself "look big" and to make it seem as if he had clients that he could provide equipment to. He said his references to the "Contra group" were to Blandon and Meneses and that this was a short-hand way to refer to them. ....

http://www.ocweekly.com/2001-07-19/features/crack-cop/

Crack Cop

FBI documents link an ex-Laguna cop and drug runner to an Irvine executive with ties to the CIA

By NICK SCHOU Thursday, Jul 12 2001

The CIA has always denied it used drug traffickers to raise cash for Ronald Reagan's 1980s war against the Nicaraguan Sandinista government. But FBI documents recently released to the OC Weekly show that a former top agency official met throughout that period with Ronald J. Lister, an ex-Laguna Beach cop who claimed to be the CIA's link between the South American cocaine trade, the Nicaraguan contras and LA's most notorious drug trafficker.

The FBI documents, five heavily censored pages released in response to the Weekly's 1997 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the CIA, concern Lister and William Earl Nelson, a vice president for security with the Irvine-based construction giant Fluor Corp. Nelson's previous job: deputy director of operations for the CIA. Nelson retired from the CIA in 1976 amid heated controversy over its ill-fated forays into Chile and Angola—clandestine operations that Nelson supervised from his office at the CIA's Langley, Virginia, headquarters.

Lister's relationship with the Fluor executive began in 1978. How they met isn't clear, thanks to government censors. But the documents do show that Nelson told FBI agents he met with Lister three to four times per year until 1985 and discussed various business ventures, including one in Central America.....

....In 1979, a year before Lister quit the Laguna Beach force and just months after he first met Nelson, he launched Pyramid to carry out private security work.

There's no question that Pyramid was involved in some highly unusual business in Central America. According to a 1998 U.S. Justice Department Inspector General report, the company was investigated by the FBI at least five times between 1983 and 1986. "In September 1983, Lister's company, Pyramid International Security Consultants, was listed as the subject of a neutrality violation investigation involving the sale of weapons to El Salvador and the loan of money from Saudi Arabia to the Salvadoran government," the report states. "Lister was also alleged to be attempting to sell arms to several other countries."

El Salvador circa the early 1980s was not open for business to just anybody. The entire region was wracked by civil wars and coups d'etat; El Salvador's military-led government was engaged in a systematic campaign of torture and murder against anyone branded a communist or subversive. But in a 1996 interview with San Jose Mercury News reporter Gary Webb, former Pyramid employee Christopher Moore (another ex-Laguna Beach cop) claimed Lister shrugged off the dangers of doing business there. Lister reportedly told Moore he had "a big CIA contact" at an Orange County company and both Pyramid and its employees would be protected while in El Salvador.

"I can't remember his name, but Ron was always running off to meetings with him, supposedly," Moore told Webb. "Ron said the guy was the former deputy director of operations or something, real high up there. All I know is that this supposed contact of his was working at the Fluor Corp. because I had to call Ron out there a couple of times."

Moore said he traveled to El Salvador on Lister's behalf, accompanied by a Spanish-speaking man who said he worked at the Salvadoran consulate in Los Angeles. Once in the capital city of San Salvador, Moore says, he met face to face with Roberto D'Aubuisson, a former Salvadoran army intelligence officer, drug and weapons dealer, and leader of the right-wing ARENA party. But D'Aubuisson's legacy is darker still: he was the architect of El Salvador's paramilitary death squads, a Hitler admirer, and a sociopath reputed to have personally authorized the 1980 murder of Salvadoran Archbishop Oscar Romero.

"That was probably the highlight of my life at that point," Moore told Webb. "There I was, a reserve police officer who'd only been in the country for a couple of days, and I was sitting in this office in downtown San Salvador across the desk from the man who ran the death squads. He had a gun lying on top of his desk and had these filing cabinets pushed up against the windows of the office so nobody could shoot through them."

The timing of Moore's trip to El Salvador coincides with a 1982 Pyramid contract proposal to provide security to the Salvadoran Ministry of Defense; narcotics detectives found the paperwork in a 1986 raid on Lister's home. The contract, written in Spanish and running more than 30 pages, shows Pyramid boasted the services of numerous (but unnamed) former CIA physical security officers and surveillance experts.

Intriguingly, the document suggests that Lister was negotiating directly with Defense Minister General José Guillermo García, linked by El Salvador's Truth Commission to the 1981 massacre of more than 800 villagers in El Mozote. A close ally of D'Aubuisson, García was one of the most powerful members of the right-wing military junta that took control of El Salvador in 1979.

Edited April 17, 2012 by Tom Scully

[Guest Tom Scully]

A marriage made in heaven? What a windfall for Mr. O'Malley, longtime director of a Royal Dutch Shell subsidiary to have Mr. Nelson as his son-in-law for the last ten years of O'Malley's career and life. Is the emergence of Nugan Hand Bank under Mr. Nelson's watch, also coincidental?

https://www.google.c...iw=1440&bih=717

Colby of CIA-CIA of Colby; Dark side up

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New York Times - Jul 1, 1973

As part of the highlevel game of musical chairs touched off by Watergate, President Nixon had just named Bill Colby to be head of the ClA , David Wise is the

Page 7 of 7

https://www.google.c...iw=1440&bih=717

WILLIAM O'MALLEY, OIL EXECUTIVE, 60

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New York Times - May 9, 1959

William P. O'Malley.of 81 Second Street, Garden City, LI, executive vice president of the Asiatic Petroleum Corporation, died yesterday of a heart attack in the

Along Wall Street

Edward J. Condlon

New York Times - Nov 22, 1936

A notable exception to this warn occasioned last week by an announcement of the Asiatic Petroleum Corporation, which is part of the Royal Dutch-Shell group.

...an announcement of the Asiatic Petroleum Corporation which is part of the Royal Dutch-Shell group. It is stated that the Asiatic Petroleum Corporation merged under the laws of Delaware, into Asiatic Petroleum Corporation (Delaware), Ltd., thereby becoming possessed of all assets of Asiatic Petroleum. Pursuant to the merger agreement, Asiatic Petroleum Corporation (Delaware), Ltd., thereupon changed its name to Asiatic Petroleum Corporation...

https://www.google.c...iw=1440&bih=717

William E. Nelson CIA Official

The Washington Post Apr 29, 1995

William E. Nelson, 74, who served with the Central Intelligence Agency for 28 years before retiring in 1976 as its deputy director of operations, died April 1 in a nursing home in Newport Beach, Calif. He had Parkinson's disease.

Mr. Nelson was a Buffalo native and Army veteran. A graduate of Columbia Univesity, he received a master's degree in China studies from Harvard University. He began his CIA career in 1948 as an operations office and specialized in the Far East. He was chief of the Far East division of the Operations Directorate from 1968 until becoming deputy director for operations in 1973.

He was a recipient of the Distinguished Intelligence Medal.

Mr. Nelson, who lived in Newport Beach, moved to California in 1977, where he was a vice president of the Fluor Corp., until retiring a second time in 1986.

Survivors include his wife of 45 years, Patricia O'Malley Nelson of Newport Beach; four sons.....and four grandchildren.

[J. Raymond Carroll]

CIA LOSING CHIEF FOR COVERT ACTIONS

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New York Times - Apr 28, 1976

William E. Nelson, deputy director for operations, confirmed that he announced h( s plans to retire at a staff meeting on Monday, the same day the committee report was made public. ..

I don't have time to read everything on the forum

but I can't help noticing that Tom Scully has appointed himself sole arbiter

of what is and is not relevant to the JFK inquiry.

When I read Mr. Scully's posts like this one, however,

I scratch my head and wonder what case Scully himself is talking about.

[Guest Tom Scully]

Ray,

If you have a problem with a post, report it. It is a violation of the forum rules to criticize moderators via public posts, infinitely more so when the crticism is as baseless as your criticism. Final warning, Ray, because of your pattern of abuse towards me, I will disapprove any post authored by you displaying my name or referring to me and, or critical of moderation.

The title of this forum is JFK Debate, a place intended for discussion of JFK Assassination related details, and to share related research, debate about likely suspects and their conspirators and motives and agendas of government investigators and official obstructionists.

In order to do this coherently, we have to know who they are and who they reported to and were aligned with. This isn't rocket science, Ray.:

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William Earl Nelson was the best man in the wedding of Philip Fendig, who was an usher in Nelson's wedding.:

CIA Who's Where in Europe

http://cryptome.org/...a-who-where.htm

FENDIG, PHILIP FRANKLIN.

Ted Shackley introduces Philip F. Fendig to the HSCA :

http://www.maryferre...sPageId=1138492

MISS C. JOHNSTON IS WED IN CAPITAL; Has 2 Attendants at ...

New York Times - May 17, 1953

Johnston, wasl married this afternoon to Philipi Franklin Fendig, son of Mrs. Benjamin Franklin Fendig of Rensse- laer, Ind., and he late lr. Fendig,I in St. Thomas

https://lh4.googleus...y17_1953NYT.jpg

http://www.findagrav....&GRid=37412206

https://lh6.googleus...g1_1980WaPo.jpg

CIA LOSING CHIEF FOR COVERT ACTIONS

New York Times - Apr 28, 1976

William E. Nelson, deputy director for operations, confirmed that he announced h( s plans to retire at a staff meeting on Monday, the same day the committee

.........

Edited April 21, 2012 by Tom Scully

[J. Raymond Carroll]

William Earl Nelson was the best man in the wedding of Philip Fendig, who was an usher in Nelson's wedding.:

Ted Shackley introduces Philip F. Fendig to the HSCA :

Sorry Tom, I still don't see where this is headed.

Query does the actor Kevin Bacon come into this at all

[Guest Tom Scully]

Ray, you're a real piece of work. You're here because you are still trying to avenge the affront you perceive to have suffered, as a result of my decision to move a thread you authored with an opening post displaying no link, no mention, not an iota of direct linkage to the JFK Assassination.

Clear this up for me, Ray. You went on a tear of a still continuing protest tantrum after you started a thread in JFK Debate with only this.:

John Raley is the greatest trial lawyer

I have ever seen in action

besides being an all-round GREAT GUY.

Below is an email from John about his most important case ever

and I urge everyone to watch 60 Minutes this coming Sunday.

Friends,

I wanted to let you know that 60 Minutes has confirmed that they will run the Michael Morton exoneration story this Sunday night the 25th.

Michael's wife was brutally murdered at home 26 years ago while Michael was at work. He was charged with the crime and wrongfully convicted. Evidence of his innocence was concealed. After a 7 year fight to obtain DNA testing, Michael has this year been declared Actually Innocent by the State of Texas and released after 25 years in prison. The DNA testing also lead to a hit on a known felon with a lengthy record in 3 states, who has been indicted for the murder.

Many of you have supported Michael's cause with your prayers and good wishes. He appreciates both very much. Sunday, if you have a chance to tune in, Michael will tell his story. I am interviewed briefly as well, as is Barry Scheck of my co-counsel The Innocence Project.

Take care,

John Raley

,,,,and you replied to me with this when I tried to work reasonably with you, as a moderator, over the problem of your authoring an off topic thread.:

My reasoning is that the only relevance is that the investigating of this crime was botched and it happened in the state of Texas and JFK was assassinated in Texas.

Tom, I submit that your real reasoning is that you believe Lee Oswald was guilty

of some involvement in the JFK assassination

although you are not sure in what way exactly.

So you and other false accusers don't like it when the mindset of false accusers

is exposed to the light.

John Raley is determined to prove, and time will tell if he is right

that the investigation of the Morton murder wan't botched, as you claim

but that Morton was deliberately framed

by the prosecutor who concealed proof of Morton's innocence.

A few of us know that that something similar happened in the case of Lee Oswald.

The first round of false accusers claimed that Lee was a lone assassin

while the second round of false accusers claim he was part of the conspiracy.

Not much difference between the the two sets of false accusers in my book.

As I have aid before, it beats me

how you came to be a moderator on this forum

with your agenda-driven style of moderation.

I stopped trying to work it out with you, after I read the above response from you, Ray. You really need to get some help for this. It is symptomatic of some disorder and has no place manifesting itself in these threads.

Your reason for postin here in this thread seems to be, aside from your continued protest, because this thread displays an opening post that among other things, refers to this, and is thus, not relevant? Give us all a break, Ray, and take your disruptiveness somewhere else!

William Earl Nelson was the best man in the wedding of Philip Fendig, who was an usher in Nelson's wedding.:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=1138492

http://ajweberman.com/noduleX26-HUNT,%20BARKER%20&%20PHILLIPS%20POST%20COUP.htm

WILLIAM C. STURBITTS: HUNT WAS ON SICK LEAVE

In early April 1975 a Rockefeller Commission investigator interviewed CIA Staff member William C. Sturbitts. His notes read: "HUNT - on sick leave November 22, 1963, (per. Fin. Ofc.) On duty status November 21, 1963." During his Rockefeller Commission testimony, William C. Sturbitts was asked:

......

Q. November 22, 1963, was a Friday. When you say the record reveals he was on duty status the next day --

A. It was a Friday. Then I was mistaken.

Q. Does that mean he was on duty the following Monday or on the next day, Saturday?

A. No. On the following Monday. I didn't realize the 22nd was a Friday. .....

Ray, when Pike, Church, Rockefeller, and the HSCA began looking into these matters, William Earl Nelson was Deputy Director of Operations, CIA, and his close friend Philip Fendig was grouped with the demonstrably feigning stooge, William Charles Sturbitts, a man who actually testified that he was unaware 22 November, 1963 was a friday, but was, along with Fendig, two months after Nelson's sudden resignation, designated by Shackley to "work with you, in your review of facts relating to the Senate Select Committee study of the investigation of President Kennedy's assassination....." Forgetting for a moment that this is just more of your protest tantrum, where would you suggest a more relevant place would be on the Education Forum for this thread?

[J. Raymond Carroll]

Ray, you're a real piece of work. You're here because you are still trying to avenge the affront you perceive to have suffered, as a result of my decision to move a thread you authored with an opening post displaying no link, no mention, not an iota of direct linkage to the JFK Assassination.

I've told you before Tom

but let me explain again

As a mind-reader

you are not qualified.

I am here because I am inquiring into the events

surrounding the murder of JFK

What exactly happened and who exactly

was involved in this crime, which remains unsolved.

I QUeried your post because I Cannot figure out what Mr. Nelson

or anyone else mentioned in your post

might have had to do with the events in Dallas.

where would you suggest a more relevant place would be on the Education Forum for this thread?

I would never ask a poster to move something

[Guest Tom Scully]

Arlen Specter, he did as instructed. May his name and reputation live on, in infamy.

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/27/us/no-knowledge-of-drug-link-ex-guerrilla-leader-testifies.html

No Knowledge of Drug Link, Ex-Guerrilla Leader Testifies

Published: November 27, 1996

Senator Arlen Specter, the Pennsylvania Republican who is chairman of the Intelligence Committee, convened the hearing to examine reports in The San Jose Mercury News that the proliferation of crack in the United States in the 1980's could be traced to two Nicaraguan dealers who worked with the rebels.

Those articles have led to rumors, which have been denied in Washington, that the C.I.A. either supported the drug trafficking as a fund-raising mechanism for the rebels or did nothing to stop it.

The hearing was interrupted for several minutes when several members of the audience accused the panel of ignoring evidence or refusing to call the right witnesses.

''People are dying!'' one man shouted. ''We need answers.''

Mr. Specter kept the police to remove the protesters, who were quieted when he permitted Representative Maxine Waters, Democrat of California, newly elected chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, to question the witnesses.

Mr. Specter said one of the drug dealers, Mr. Blandon, had told the committee in a closed session on Monday that he was recruited in 1981 by Juan Norwin Meneses Canterero to sell cocaine in California to raise money for the contras.

''Mr. Blandon stated that he had never had any contact with the C.I.A. and that the C.I.A. was not involved in his drug-trafficking business in any way,'' Mr. Specter said. ....

http://www.laweekly....ws/crack-cop/2/

FBI memos released to the Weekly show ties of convicted dealer to former CIA official

By Nick Schou Wednesday, Jul 18 2001

...continued from page 1

....It’s not clear what happened to the notes Lister says he gave investigators or to his testimony, but he clearly put on quite a show. According to the 1998 U.S. Justice Department OIG report, “An FBI special agent was convinced that Lister [and] Blandon . . . were connected to the CIA.”

After completing a drug-treatment program, he walked out of prison in 1996, three years early. His whereabouts are unknown, and he has refused repeated requests to share his story with the press. Nelson, Lister’s “big CIA contact” at Fluor Corp. in Irvine, died six years ago in Corona del Mar. Fluor officials refused to comment for this story but have denied that Fluor had any business in Central America during the 1980s.

Tom Crispell, of the CIA’s public-affairs office, said the agency has already denied any involvement with Lister. “This individual [Nelson] had been retired from the agency for a number of years, and we’re not in a position to comment on his private life or conversations he had in his private life,” Crispell remarked.

Gary Webb, who left the Mercury News shortly after the editor ran a front-page critique of the “Dark Alliance” series, finds the FBI memos curious. “Now we know that Lister was meeting with Nelson, and that the grand-jury investigation was somehow tied into this,” said Webb. “What we don’t know is how Lister even knew Nelson, why Nelson would continue to meet with [a so-called] bullxxxx artist, and why anyone would even consider helping Lister once he cleared himself with the FBI.”

The documents are also mute on perhaps the most disturbing mystery of all: What kind of “business” relationship could Nelson, a retired CIA deputy director, possibly have had with Lister, a drug-dealing, gun-running “security consultant,” and D’Aubuisson, the leader of El Salvador’s death squads?

Edited October 15, 2012 by Tom Scully