David Boylan Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) De Torres claiming he worked for "Pentagon Intelligence." http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/2018/104-10070-10180.pdf Hanging with Battle, a big bolita banker in NJ. BDT's brother Carlos was an FBI informant sometimes informing on Santo Trafficante. http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/docid-32323289.pdf With Masferrer, Jr. in Mexico selling weapons. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10071-10311.pdf Notes on WerBell. Mentions Veciana, Hemming. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10087-10130.pdf Edited July 27, 2018 by David Boylan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Hancock Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Thanks David, he certainly did contact various agencies in later years ...the question is whether we can find anything specific about his connections and activities in 1963....he certainly did know a lot of people, especially since the took the position of intelligence chief for the reformed exile Brigade that year after coming out of Cuba, which certainly meant learning a lot about the whole anti-Castro and exile community. That was made a lot easier given his brothers well established connections running a detective agency in Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Clark Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Bernardo De Torres played professional baseball when he came to the US in 1955. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10167-10187.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Thanks to Malcolm Blunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 5 hours ago, Bart Kamp said: Thanks to Malcolm Blunt So... he assisted the Secret Service and Garrison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 On 10/3/2005 at 8:42 AM, Larry Hancock said: John, one of Fonzi's exile informants came up with the DP photo comment. He's the one that Fonzi was actually going to use to "sting" De Torres until he got a frantic call telling him the HSCA didn't do things like that....you know, real criminal investigation "stuff". Sorry the name escapes me at the moment. However you will find the whole story in Gaeton's book when he's writing about "Carlos". Stuff like this is what makes this thread interesting. Thanks Larry from years before I started reading the forum, much less posting. Thanks Bart for bumping it with the De Torres pic and caption. Read a little about him before but it looks like De Torres was dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Hancock Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 I don't think there is any doubt De Torres played a role as gatekeeper in Miami, he certainly did so when Garrison sent his investigators to look into the mysterious Cubans associating with Oswald in New Orleans. Given his brother's well established detective agency business De Torres was in an excellent position to monitor a good many things and he certainly sabotaged Garrison right out of the gate - and did so with the media without ever being challenged about his own claims and evidence of a conspiracy. His network within the Cuban community was extensive, not only via the detective agency but due to his major role with the revived Cuban brigade in 1963- where he assumed an intelligence role. Again, that made him a prime candidate to become involved when the Secret Service reached out to the CIA who in turned reached out to JMWAVE for protective measures in advance of the JFK trip to Miami - one trip in which we have documented proof of threats to JFK and Secret Service awareness of same - which was totally obfuscated during the assassination inquires. Its also easy enough to see how he could have been moved into a support role since we can directly connect him to both Hargraves and Vidal, he was working on boat missions with them in the summer of 1963, we even have photos of him with that clique and on at least one boat mission against Cuba with Commandos L. Any role for him directly in Dallas is much less clear - my inclination is that he did know details and even might have held photos from Dallas as Fonzi was told, it would have been great leverage in his role as gatekeeper. However he himself did not have the extensive paramilitary training nor was he an expert marksman, those folks were available for Dallas so his personal involvement would not have been mandatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Notes from the thread. "Bernado De Torres posed as a photographer in Dealy Plaza." "De Torres had pictures of Dealy Plaza (he took?) in a safe deposit box." Paraphrase, "Left Garrison's staff (fired for misleading them and giving info on the investigation to the CIA) to soon go to work for Webell." If De Torres was posing as a photographer in DP might he have focused on assassins if he had foreknowledge? And kept those pictures safe, as insurance and as a source of power? If he had been hunting Elladio Del Valle for Garrison, was he already fired and back in Miami the night Del Valle and Ferrie died? Might De Torres have located him for an assistant to chop at his head with a machete then shoot him in the chest on the red seats of his white caddy in a parking lot? Yeah speculation. But I wouldn't put setting him up past him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Clark Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Clark Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKtorres.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 This is an excellent episode if you're interested in De Torres, it even leads off with a voicemail he left for the host. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/who-was-bernie/id903171979?i=1000505315249 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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