Why Israelis Assassinated John and Robert Kennedy

[Ron Ecker]

Can you point to any other cases (not just Israeli ones) when an agent brought their wife along on a top secret black op mission? case when the spouse was also part of the team don't count. No Rabin tour was not secret, but obviously his part of a scheme to kill the POTUS that would be.

What was wrong with him bringing his wife along? She was in New York, he was traveling around. He was not exactly on a "black op mission." He was not waiting with explosives on the other side of the overpass, or acting as a spotter in the DalTex Building. All I can imagine him doing if anything was what Nixon may have been doing, which was letting the operatives know symbolically that "it was safe" (assuming there was an Israeli shooter, say, on the knoll, though I understand he was Corsican. Maybe a Jewish Corsican?). That's all. I don't think Nixon brought his wife along, but who would blame him for that?

[Len Colby]

"What was wrong with him bringing his wife along?"

I don't know perhaps to avoid her blabbing about stuff like him being in Dallas the night before the hit. So you think he MIGHT have gone there to babysit the hit men? Couldn't he just have called them from a payphone? Can you point to other missions which used such a cheer leader?

Edited June 21, 2012 by Len Colby

[Mike Rago]

For those who do not know, Fort Bliss is in El Paso Texas, not Dallas.

Edited June 21, 2012 by Mike Rago

[Ron Ecker]

"What was wrong with him bringing his wife along?"

I don't know perhaps to avoid her blabbing about stuff like him being in Dallas the night before the hit. So you think he MIGHT have gone there to babysit the hit men? Couldn't he just have called them from a payphone? Can you point to other missions which used such a cheer leader?

You want to have the last word, so I will let you have it. I have said that I think Rabin's presence in Dallas was probably just a coincidence, albeit on a day of too many coincidences. If you're not satisfied with that, that's life.

[Ron Ecker]

For those who do not know, Fort Bliss is in El Paso Texas, not Dallas.

Yes, which means he must have had to fly to Dallas for a connecting flight to New York and Israel, if Mrs. Rabin was correct.

[Pat Speer]

For those who do not know, Fort Bliss is in El Paso Texas, not Dallas.

Yes, which means he must have had to fly to Dallas for a connecting flight to New York and Israel, if Mrs. Rabin was correct.

Are you sure about that? When I've flown across the south, I've flown into Houston far more than I've ever flown into Dalllas. Perhaps they flew into Houston, before flying on to New York. (I'm assuming she said they flew out of New York. If she didn't, the thought occurs that someone flying from El Paso to Israel might first fly to Houston, then to Miami, and then onto Israel.)

Edited June 22, 2012 by Pat Speer

[Ron Ecker]

Yes, which means he must have had to fly to Dallas for a connecting flight to New York and Israel, if Mrs. Rabin was correct.

Are you sure about that? When I've flown across the south, I've flown into Houston far more than I've ever flown into Dalllas. Perhaps they flew into Houston, before flying on to New York. (I'm assuming she said they flew out of New York. If she didn't, the thought occurs that someone flying from El Paso to Israel might first fly to Houston, then to Miami, and then onto Israel.)

Mrs. Rabin said that he was in Dallas. What can I tell you? Maybe she thought Fort Bliss was in Dallas. I don't know.

Edited June 22, 2012 by Ron Ecker

[Jim Phelps]

Interesting that John Simkin posts an article on the Israel Factor in the JFK assassination.

The Israel factor comes from the PERMINDEX elements that tried to hit DeGaulle in France, and they were run out of Europe to mostly show up in the US. No one should be afraid to speak of the Israel Factor for the JFK hit as it is rather obvious that those that supported Israel thought the Israel existance depended on them getting the bomb. JFK stood in Ben Gurion's way to prolliferate nuclear weapons technology and materials. The Ben Gurion and JFK conversations are still locked up in the secrecy vaults.

Israel's and the Jewish protectors were what came to start PERMINDEX as a security branch for the Bilderberg Group. Persons like Louis Bloomfield were huge Israel supporters and designed various military methods to protect Israel. Persons like George Mandel (Mandello), Tibor Rosenbaum, and Ferenc Nagy (Dallas Resident in 63) had a long history for protecting the Jewish elements in WWII, and it didn't stop after the war.

JFK canned most of the top CIA types, General Cabel, Bissell, Dulles, and tossed William King Harvey over to Rome to break up the Fla. games to attack Cuba and Castro. Harvey ends up in the middle of the PERMINDEX HQ in Rome, and sees all their games to knock off DeGaulle because JFK was leveraging DeGaulle to stop the Israel reactor, and thus weapon's plutonium production and weapons proliferation. JFK was working to make Russia and Cuba happy to make peace, but none of the displaced crowd with the CIA liked that idea and lots of others in the nuclear weapons and rocket building business didn't either.

LBJ was milking the USAEC over uranium deals for Morris Jaffee to power LBJ's political career, similar to the agriculture scams LBJ did earlier. Morris Jaffee is said to own the Dal-Tex Building, home to the Dallas Police, Abe Zapruder, and three of the shots fired that day at JFK.

It isn't much of a stretch to propose that these PERMINDEX killers from Europe hated DeGaulle, and were quick to shift into working on a hit for JFK, mostly over the Israel and nuclear weapons issues. So, there are a lot of Israel interests in this mix, even to include Jack Ruby, the guy that had to shut up LHO to keep the Israel factor from being dumped into the news.

LBJ and his big pal Hoover were right in the middle of wanting JFK dead, as much as the PERMINDEX pro-Israel types, the CIA types trying to knock off Castro, and Joint Chiefs wanting a war with Russia. Hoover was big pals with persons like Meyer Lansky over the German spy issues of the shipping docks and these Lansky dock workers kept a steady supply to drowned suspected German Spies floating down the Hudson during WWII. Lansky hated all German NAZIs with a passion to kill.

That is the pretty simple line up of anti-JFK forces, and it is very obvious after the same game was played against DeGaulle.

JFK gets shot in the head twice and back once, and LBJ ducked to the bottom of his limo with the first little noise, as he well knew what was coming.

LBJ takes the White House, which was his interest to avoid being tossed in Jail because his corrupt Texas deals were coming out and JFK and RFK were going to make sure that "Lying Lyndon" went down for a big fall.

LBJ is having to pay off all the wheelers and dealers from the Vietnam War machine, to the fuel for the Israeli Bomb. In the US it was found that NUMEC (Apollo, Pa.) was loosing all kinds of Highly Enriched Uranium and all kinds of Mossad agents were coming to visit NUMEC. It gets worse as Ed Teller was allowed to go to Israel multiple times to help the Israelis along on the issues for nuclear materials and weapons timing and geometry.

Everyone got something, from the Israelis bombs, to the Pentagons new war against Communists, to the mil-Ind networks new flux of money for Texas weapons production.

No one should be afraid to speak that the Israeli factors were highly involved in the hit on JFK, but they didn't act alone and they had lots of help to include the criminal president of the US.

One will always hear those trying to downplay and expunge any talk that Israel Factors were involved with the JFK hit, but what would one expect to keep the US money flowing to the Israelis, which would stop if the elements of the JFK murder included a huge cover up of the Israel factors among the plotters. Even the Dallas bunch, with Walker, HL Hunt, and some others, intentionally had the Israel factors in high prominence to keep the heat off of them. It doesn't get much more plain when they get Jack Ruby to be the runner for the hit, have shots from Morris Jaffee's building, have a Jewish guy put a hate JFK ad in the Dallas Paper, and so on to be ready to drop just in case some wise guy went after the Dallas Connections, like Gen. Walker and HL Hunt. If the heat got to hot on them they could toss out the information on PERMINEX, Jaffee, Bloomfield, Ruby and the like and all (even the head of the Israli Mossad in Dallas) the attention would be on an international plot to kill JFK. There was a lot of leverage being played to make sure the JFK hit went down as a simple lone shooter, who didn't fire a shot that day.

It was a Massive Plot that most of the Europeans saw easily, but the US control of the investigations rigged the outcome that kept most Americans in the dark and their Govt. abducted by criminals.

[Jim Phelps]

A good part of Ft. Bliss is in New Mexico as it sits at the South End of the White Sands testing range that was also the Trinity Test site for the A-bomb. Ft. Bliss was the home for the PaperClip Rocket NAZIs of Germany after the war, and lots of the V-1 and V-2 testing happened at White Sands.

All that history likely had Rabin real interested, as Israel wanted to do A-bomb testing too. Ft. Bliss is also home for the Armored Calvary Division for tanks and the training of tank soliders. West Texas has a large number of Germans settled there in the high country.

[Jim Phelps]

The JFK issue had the issues for JFK wanting the UFO information cracked loose, and one of those issues involved the Ft. Bliss NAZIs and the Ft. Bliss command. After the war some of the captured aircraft designs were used in an Atomic test for aircraft survival and flash blindness, and it used live humans, aerial testing with large balloons to support the high altitude test, and that had issues for War Crimes in the US with NAZIs involved and Germany's Neuremberg issues being hot in 1947. JFK, just ten days before he gets off'd, wrote his UFO information letter demands, and they were not about to tell him that cover up. It went all the way to Curtis LeMay that hated JFK with a passion.

Odd that the information that JFK wanted on the UFO's was connected with Ft. Bliss and Rabin takes a tour of the base with all that nice history.

[Jim Phelps]

The Curious thing about Rabin being in Dallas is that it may have spurred his looking into why JFK's peace plans failed. Rabin became a protector of peace in later years and was working on the Oslo accord for peace with the Arabs. One of the Lukid types didn't like Rabin, so he shoots him down. Rabin is much like the JFK of Israel over seeking peace, and JFK may have become his model, due to the shock of Dallas.

The Israel issues always hook up with religion and at the root of the issues is the story for Abraham and the City of Ur as the home for the creator gods. Israel tends to take up with the En.Lil or Yahwah form for god, as do the Arab factions. The En.Lil form of god from the Semerian Triune was slave making and fear mongering. He had a rival call En.Ki that was peace loving and explained how Lions were to lay down with Lambs one day.

Ref:

http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/Contents/doctrine/The%20Origin%20of%20the%20Trinity.htm

One must suspect that both Rabin and JFK had discovered this issue of god being confused in these later times, but sought to correct the shift toward the more peace seeking form of god, which Jesus called Aumen, that is like Ptah, that is like Enki.

I suspect Rabin was one of the good guys that knew the value of peace and was motivated by what happened in Dallas.

Edited June 23, 2012 by Jim Phelps

[Thomas Graves]

The Curious thing about Rabin being in Dallas is that it may have spurred his looking into why JFK's peace plans failed. Rabin became a protector of peace in later years and was working on the Oslo accord for peace with the Arabs. One of the Lukid types didn't like Rabin, so he shoots him down. Rabin is much like the JFK of Israel over seeking peace, and JFK may have become his model, due to the shock of Dallas.

The Israel issues always hook up with religion and at the root of the issues is the story for Abraham and the City of Ur as the home for the creator gods. Israel tends to take up with the En.Lil or Yahwah form for god, as do the Arab factions. The En.Lil form of god from the Semerian Triune was slave making and fear mongering. He had a rival call En.Ki that was peace loving and explained how Lions were to lay down with Lambs one day.

One must suspect that both Rabin and JFK had discovered this issue of god being confused in these later times, but sought to correct the shift toward the more peace seeking form of god, which Jesus called Aumen, that is like Ptah, that is like Enki.

I suspect Rabin was one of the good guys that knew the value of peace and was motivated by what happened in Dallas.

Semerian Triune?

--Tommy

[Jim Phelps]

Looks like I didn't spell that correctly. Sorry bout that, Reflect change to "Sumerian" as the correct spelling. And the "Sumerian Trinity" concept for "Anu, Enki, and Enlil," which occurs for the Fertile Crescent Creator gods that started the entire concept for god in human thinking as well as the Ziggarat monuments.. It connects to Abrahamic religions via the ancient pre-flood "City of Ur", the ruins of which were just recently returned to the public due to being inside the protection zone for Tallit AFB in Iraq.

[Mike Rago]

The Kennedy/Ben Gurion/Eshkol Nuclear Exchange

http://www.gwu.edu/~...ange/index.html

Cover Letter

http://www.gwu.edu/~...hange/01-01.htm

Letter July 5 1963 From Kennedy to Prime Minister Eshkol

Page 1

http://www.gwu.edu/~...hange/01-02.htm

Page 2

http://www.gwu.edu/~...hange/01-03.htm

Page 3

http://www.gwu.edu/~...hange/01-04.htm

Note the data of the letter, July 5, 1963.

Note that the letter indicates the former prime minister assures the United States that the nuclear plant at Dimona is entirely for peaceful purposes, however today Israel is suspected of having over 200 nuclear weapons and , to my knowledge, the plant at Dimona has never been inspected by the international community.

http://en.wikipedia....ordechai_Vanunu

Edited June 22, 2012 by Mike Rago

[Jim Phelps]

Ah Yes, it gets much deeper when one figures in the efforts of one of the leading USAEC weapons lab directors in California that stepped down from the director's slot to fight the JFK NTBT. Jewish Hungarian Ed Teller told that the NTBT would lead to the downfall of the US.

One needs to keep in mind that Ed Teller was a Jewish Hungarian from Europe, and this throws him into the league with the PERMINDEX core group with Ferenc Nagy, Tibor Rosenbaum (Mossad), and George Mandel (aka Mandello).

We also find the California Senator Rousellot, who won Nixon's old seat, is a John Birch Society Member that is conspiring with General Walker of Dallas to have JFK Killed. The story recounted by Harry Dean.

Edward Teller ends up consulting on the Israeli bomb project that JFK opposed, which again points to the high level USAEC resistance to JFK and even Israel support for LBJ.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/16/AR2006021601897.html

LBJ works a deal with Dallas' Morris Jaffee on making him rich with USAEC Uranium deals, which Jaffee then uses to underwrite LBJ's political career at the California convention where a deal is finially struck for LBJ to be the JFK VP runner, which was forced on JFK.

Then we also see the General Walker close friend in Texas is HL Hunt the oil well king, which JFK is punching in the pocket book with Oil Well Depletion issues. HL Hunt is a Bircher, Rousellot is a Bircher, and General Walker is a Bircher that JFK forced to resign from the military over his handing out Bircher Materials to his German command members. That cost Walker a fortune in retirement money. So, that group, allied with very strong USAEC interests, allied with PERMINDEX types were the force that wanted JFK dead, and their paid for pal LBJ in the Presidency.

After PERMINDEX tried to kill DeGaulle in France, their leading Hungarian Jewish protector, named Ferenc Nagy, ends up living in Dallas, Texas for a year before JFK is killed as they were broken up in Rome and fled Europe. George Mandel ends up even moving to New Orleans years later.

It gets worse as when New Orleans DA Jim Garrison detects the involvement of Clay Shaw with PERMINDEX, the California Governor named Ronald Reagan blocks the extradition of PERMINDEX records and various witnesses to Lousiana and Jim Garrison's investigations. One can then see the USAEC political power showing.

One then begins to see the power of the USAEC to both install LBJ into high office, and to allow Israel to get the Bomb with Ed Teller consulting. LBJ was also behind allowing Israel to get the bomb, which won him Teller's favor, as well as the PERMINDEX core elite.

One has to also connect the Joint Chief's Curtis LeMay was also wanting to support the USAEC with lots of nuclear weapons needs to blow up Russia. Curtis LeMay was HL Hunt's pick to run with G Wallace for President, as General Walker and Hunt hated Civil Rights issues of JFK. They basically went around cherry picking every anti-JFK faction they found to ally against JFK.

This even included Hoover, because Hoover blocked discovery of the Mafia to protect persons like Meyer Lansky over the shipping port protection against NAZI's in WWII that resulted in lots of murders of suspected German spies at the docks. Hoover and LBJ were peas in a pod and one acted to protect the other.

Hoover also picked Louis Bloomfield to run the DISC operations over NASA and USAEC counter intelligence operations. BloomField would have to encounter Teller, as a USAEC Lab Director, and the big defenders of Israel associations connected with PERMINDEX.

Edited June 23, 2012 by Jim Phelps