The AIA disowns Richard Gage "AIA" and few architect want to have anything to do with him.

[Len Colby]

Rate of Building 7's Fall

http://911research.w...wtc7/speed.html

WTC 7's Facade Plunged at a Nearly Free-Fall Rate

difference, feet 0 0.0 0 0.0 -0.65 0.0 0.0 1 0.5 0 0.0 -0.15 0.0 0.0 2 1.0 0.2 6.0 0.35 2.0 -4.0 3 1.5 1.0 12.0 0.85 11.6 -0.4 4 2.0 2.4 28.8 1.35 29.2 -0.4 5 2.5 4.5 54.0 1.85 54.8 +0.8 6 3.0 7.3 87.6 2.35 88.4 +0.8 7 3.5 10.7 128.4 2.85 130.0 +1.6 8 4.0 14.2 170.4 3.35 179.6 +9.2

(ESTIMATES OF FREE FALL VS BUILDING FALL PLUS MINUS SECONDS ARE LAST COLUMN, DONE VIA VIDEO APPROXIMATION. SMALL ERRORS AT TWO POINTS ,BUT IM TAKING THE END POINT DATUM<GAAL)

The rightmost column gives the free-fall distances minus the facade displacements. The differences are within the estimated margin of error for the facade displacement measurements for all but the first and final frames. This shows that the facade of WTC 7 accelerated downward at very close to the rate of free-fall in at least its first three seconds of descent,

FALL 94.8775 % of free fall speed.

LOL such precision is impossible using 30fps video and Hoffman indicated part of the fall was faster than free fall which is impossible.

Common sense says demolition.

Your suppositions are irrelevant, most of the frame had already collapsed

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Reply #7 on: 02/12/2010 22:35:13

Quote from: CliffordK on 01/12/2010 08:29:21

Ok...

I watched all 3 videos.

These three, right?

(that's part I)

Sorry, my current location isn't cooperating with all the links.

What was the point of posting this drivel?

[Steven Gaal]

1. WTC 7 FALL 94.8775 % of free fall speed. Common sense says demolition.
   Controlled Demolition and Freefall WTC7
   
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3. Collapse Rates of the WTC Consistent With Controlled Demolition
   Posted by AdamT.
   http://911debunkers....stent-with.html
   

Edited September 16, 2012 by Steven Gaal

[Len Colby]

WTC 7 FALL 94.8775 % of free fall speed. Common sense says demolition.

As previously noted "such precision is impossible using 30fps video and Hoffman indicated part of the fall was faster than free fall which is impossible". Additionally he has problems with basic math (multiplication and division) http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=141118

Controlled Demolition and Freefall WTC7

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Brilliant own goal posting a video that debunks your fantasies.

Collapse Rates of the WTC Consistent With Controlled Demolition

Posted by AdamT.

http://911debunkers....stent-with.html

Like the blogger you missed the point of the video. explosives are only used to weaken a few floors in CD and gravity does the rest thus it is no surprise there were some superficial similarities between the collapses of buildings that have been CDed and WTC7. In both cases localized failures led to global collapse.

EDIT - Formatting

Edited September 17, 2012 by Len Colby

[Steven Gaal]

• Onset was not "sudden", the FD had suspected the building would collapse for hours due to observed damage and instability, the technical penthouses came down several seconds before the north façade.
  

• There was no foreknowledge despite the POS scumbag insinuating the FDNY and NYPD were 'in on it', collapse was expected for reasons mentioned above.
  

• Structures tend to collapse straight-down because that the way gravity pulls them. // END Colby
  

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OEM told FD building coming down. // Structures tend to collapse straight-down in controlled demolitions. Plenty of examples earthquakes side wise collaspe. I am sure you seen the truther bent over fire damaged buildings photos , that IF they had collasped they would NOT have been straight down. I say would cause I cant really recall large steel building collase by fire except WTC7 ????

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WTC 7 FALL 94.8775 % of free fall speed. Common sense says demolition.// END Gaal

As previously noted "such precision is impossible using 30fps video and Hoffman indicated part of the fall was faster than free fall which is impossible" // END Colby

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As I stated his method is an approximation. ( semi-crude methodology). HOWEVER, I used the end points which are probably more accurate then midpoints much closer via measuring red lines on a video. The WTC 7 FALL 94.8775 % of free fall speed is MY calculation from end points.

Edited September 17, 2012 by Steven Gaal

[Len Colby]

• Onset was not "sudden", the FD had suspected the building would collapse for hours due to observed damage and instability, the technical penthouses came down several seconds before the north façade.
  

• There was no foreknowledge despite the POS scumbag insinuating the FDNY and NYPD were 'in on it', collapse was expected for reasons mentioned above.
  

• Structures tend to collapse straight-down because that the way gravity pulls them. // END Colby
  

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OEM told FD building coming down.

BS FDNY commanders determined this based on observed damage/instability and decades of fire fighting experience.

// Structures tend to collapse straight-down in controlled demolitions. Plenty of examples earthquakes side wise collaspe.

Buildings which were structurally sound before the quakes and normally with reenforced concrete frames. Several buildings in Brazil and other developing countries have collapsed due to substandard construction and/or unauthorized alterations, they came straight down. There also a few cases of progressive collapses in developed countries

I am sure you seen the truther bent over fire damaged buildings photos ,

Actually I don't why don't you post them, make sure they were steel framed buildings with central cores and long floor trusses

that IF they had collasped they would NOT have been straight down. I say would cause I cant really recall large steel building collase by fire except WTC7 ????

WTC7's construction was fairly unique, examples of strong fires going uncombatted for over 6 hours in steel framed central core buildings and long floor trusses are few and far between. The roughly comparable case I know of was the One Merridian Plaza fire in Philadelphia in 1991. It did not collapse but the FD and engineers feared it would and it suffered serve damage including thermal expansion and sagging of the floor trusses. There were important differences in the building's construction namely the one in Philly wasn't build over a pre-existing structure and did not require trusses to transfer loads between columns.

WTC 7 FALL 94.8775 % of free fall speed. Common sense says demolition.// END Gaal

As previously noted "such precision is impossible using 30fps video and Hoffman indicated part of the fall was faster than free fall which is impossible" // END Colby

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As I stated his method is an approximation. ( semi-crude methodology). HOWEVER, I used the end points which are probably more accurate then midpoints much closer via measuring red lines on a video. The WTC 7 FALL 94.8775 % of free fall speed is MY calculation from end points.

The fact that you churned out a 6-digit number with far less precise inputs shows how inadequate your understanding of science and math is. Didn't you learn about significant digits* in high school let alone your 13 years of college? Post your calculations, this should be amusing!

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Significant_figures

[Steven Gaal]

94.5 % Free fall speed = demolition (inside job)

Giuliani Warned

Mayor Giuliani Had Privileged Warning of Unprecedented Collapse

Warnings of the imminent collapse of the South Tower are inherently suspicious, given how unexpected that event was.

• No skyscraper in the world had ever collapsed for any reason, other than controlled demolition.
  
• Later revisions notwithstanding, the collapse took almost everyone by surprise.
  
• Firefighters and emergency workers did not receive warnings.
  

Such warnings indicate foreknowledge, whether or not one believes any of the official theories of the collapses of the Twin Towers.

Rudolph Giuliani's Warning

Rudolph Giuliani, mayor of New York City on 9/11/01, has stated that he was at the base of the Twin Towers just minutes before the explosive collapse of the South Tower and then went to 75 Barclay Street -- where he had a makeshift command center.

QUESTION: Mr. Mayor, just to clarify something that Mr. Kerik said you were about 10 minutes past when you were standing with several of the high ranking officers who you lost and then you went to Barkley [sic] Street, have you thought about that 10 minute gap, how you were 10 minutes from being in a horrible situation?

GIULIANI: I haven't had a chance to think about it.

QUESTION: Then that could of evacuate the 10--you would have been with them 10 minutes earlier before the building collapsed?

GIULIANI: The--some of the people that we lost we saw like Father Judge (ph) and Chief Gansy (ph), Bill Fehan (ph), we saw them about 10 minutes before--before we went over to 75 Barkley [sic] street. And I talked to their families and I explained to them that they were working very hard and they were working at what they loved to do. And I'm sure their efforts will end up having saved other lives and their families can be very proud of them. ¹

In an ABC News interview, Giuliani states that he was "told that the World Trade Center was gonna' collapse," and that it did collapse, referring to the 9:59 destruction of the South Towers, and implies that the warning was not well in advance of the event.

I .. I went down to the scene and we set up a headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the Police Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the Head of Emergency Management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna' to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit, got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.

The OEM

Who warned Giuliani? To our knowledge, no reporter working for any mainstream media organization has put that question to Giuliani. However there are passages from the Oral Histories of emergency responders that shed light on the question. The account of Richard Zarillo contains the following:

As I was walking towards the Fire command post, I found Steve Mosiello. I said, Steve, where's the boss? I have to give him a message. He said, well, what's the message? I said the buildings are going to collapse; we need to evac everybody out. With a very confused look he said who told you that? I said I was just with John at OEM. OEM says the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get out.

He escorted me over to Chief Ganci. He said, hey, Pete, we got a message that the buildings are going to collapse. His reply was who the f___ told you that? Then Steve brought me in and with Chief Ganci, Commissioner Feehan, Steve, I believe Chief Turi was initially there, I said, listen, I was just at OEM. The message I was given was that the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get our people out. At that moment, this thunderous, rolling roar came down and that's when the building came down, the first tower came down. ²

Although Zarillo describes being directly questioned, both by Fire Marshal Steven Mosiello and by Chief Peter Ganci, about who told him that the buildings were going to collapse, he does not clarify the source of the message beyond the OEM (Office of Emergency Management), where he was "just with John."

Steven Mosiello's account corroborates Zarillo's:

A. At that point I don't know exactly when the Commissioner and Mayor had left. It was pretty soon after they had left that Richie Zarillo, who works with EMS -- I believe he's an OEM liaison -- came running up to me. I was not on the ramp at this time. I was like almost at the sidewalk location.

He said Steve, where's the Chief? I have to tell him, you know -- I said tell him what, Richie? These buildings are in imminent danger of collapse. I said how do you know that, you know? So he ran with me. I ran over and grabbed Chief Ganci and said Chief, these buildings are in imminent danger of collapse. He looked up at me. ³ References

1. Text: Giuliani on Rescue Efforts, WashingtonPost.com, 9/12/01 [cached]

2. World Trade Center Task Force Interview: EMT Richard Zarrillo, New York Times, 10/25/01

3. <a class="offsite" href="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110141.PDF">World Trade Center Task Force Interview: Fire Marshal Steven Mosiello, New York Times, 10/23/01

Edited September 18, 2012 by Steven Gaal

[Len Colby]

WTC 7 and WTC 2 were different buildings, you claimed the OEM warned the FD about the former and provided a citation about the latter.

As for the collapse being unprecedented engineers feared the Merdian Plaza would collapse and Leslie E Robertson (the tWTC's engineer of record) indicated he was not sure they would survive when he watched the fires on TV, but I guess he and the OEM and the FDNY among many others were 'in on it'.

[Steven Gaal]

CHRONOLOGY OF EMERGENCY RESPONDER OPERATIONS, WORLD TRADE CENTER ATTACK, SEPTEMBER 11, 2001

8:46 a.m. Aircraft strikes WTC 1 on north side causing serious building damage and starting fires on floors 94 through 98. (FEMA 403)

8:49 a.m. WTC Security radio report, PA Channel X – “10-4, S4, I understand there may have been an explosion on Liberty Street.”

8:49 a.m. WTC Security radio report, PA Channel X – “Stay off the air.”

8:54:22 WTC Security radio report, PA Channel X – “… (?)… Do you know basically where the plane hit the building?” (Note: Two unreadable transmissions follow.) “…(?)… By the side right over the … (?)…” “Come back, I didn’t read your transmission. It is on the side of Building Six Tower One.” “…(?)… One hundred One floor you said?” “ … (?)… I got too much… (?)… Here, if you can hear me … (?)… Can you hear me with so much commotion?” “What floor? …(?)… Building Seven. …(?)… Hit Building Seven.” “No it hit World Trade Center One but … (?)… Building Seven. Copy?” “What floor did it hit?” “….(?)… All the way at the top … (?) … and above.” (FDNY Box Alarm Dispatch log)

9:01:58 PAPD Police Desk radio report, PA Channel W – “Evacuate all buildings in the complex. You copy? All buildings in the complex.” “Roger. Units evacuate all units, all tenants in the buildings, at the Trade, at the Trade Center.”

9:03 a.m. Aircraft strikes WTC 2 on the south side causing serious building damage and starting fires on floors 78 through 84. (FEMA 403)

9:04:50 PAPD Police Desk radio report, PA Channel W – “We have visual on that. Not known if it was a second plane, possibly a missile.”

9:06:31 PAPD Police Desk radio report, PA Channel W – “Units on channel W, this is 8581 Sierra. There’s been a reported missile launching from the Woolworth Building. CPD, if you are monitoring, get in touch with New York City. Have them check the Woolworth Building roof top.

9:40 - 9:49 Chief at WTC 7 is told that WTC buildings could collapse, and he dispatches someone to tell the chiefs on West Street. (FDNY Interviews # 45 and #46, winter 2004)

9:40 Engine 162 (post collapse operations WTC 1 and WTC 2, operations at WTC 7, hydrant at Church and Vesey Streets, stretched line to WTC 7)

9:44 a.m. (E) The Office of Emergency Management operations center inside WTC 7 is evacuated. (FDNY, interview 24, winter 2004)

9:47:00 FDNY radio communication, PA, WTC Channel 30 repeater: - “Battalion 7 to Battalion 9” “Battalion 9 to Battalion 7” “…?… These stairway walls have been compromised on 73 and 74. No smoke or fire problems, K.” “OK, 10-4”

9:47:44 FDNY radio communications, PA, WTC Channel 30 repeater – “One Five to Battalion 7” “Go ahead, Ladder One Five” “What do ya got up there Chief?” “I’m standing in Boy stairway on the 74th floor, no smoke or fire problem. The walls are breached so be careful.” “Yea, 10-4, I saw that on 68. We’re on 71. We’re coming up behind ya.” “OK, …? … six more to go.” “Let me know when you see fire.”

9:59 a.m. WTC 2 building collapse. (FEMA 403)

WTC 1, some firefighters up inside the building as high as the 36th floor hear an urgent order over their radios to evacuate. It is heard over the command radio channel. Multiple companies start down the stairs. (FDNY interviews #16, #39, #41, winter 2004)

10:00 – 10:09 WTC 1 - A firefighter, possibly from Ladder 3, reports over the radio a collapse on a floor in the 60’s. It is the highest floor reported as being reached in the building. (New York Time, website, timeline)

10:06 Box 0320, (FDNY Box Alarm Dispatch log and CD12/CD15) Engine 160 (post collapse operations, supplied water to two Tower Ladders operating on WTC 7)

10:07 a.m. NYPD helicopters hovering near WTC 1 to check its condition radios, “About 15 floors down from the top, it looks like its glowing red.” Aviation 14, radioed at 10:07 a.m. “It’s inevitable.” Seconds later, another pilot (Aviation 6) reported: “I don’t think this has too much longer to go. I would evacuate all people within the area of that second building.” (New York Times)

NYPD helicopters: Aviation 6 warns that WTC 1 collapse is likely, and advises immediate evacuation. (NYPD, McKinsey & Company)

10:12 Box 1377, location of Alarm Box, Columbia and Woodhull Streets,

Engine 518 (post collapse operations, stretched hoselines and operated in WTC 7)

Ladder 148 (post collapse Command Post operations, Broadway and Vesey streets)

10:22:18 10-84, Engine 160, (post collapse operations, supplied water to two Tower Ladders operating on WTC 7)

10:29 a.m. WTC 1 building collapse. (FEMA, 403)

11:19 Ladder 84 (reported to Command Post at Broadway and Vesey Streets, search of 5 WTC, operated Tower Ladder at Church and Vesey Streets on 5 WTC and WTC 7

5:20:33 WTC 7 building begins to collapse. (FEMA 403)

5:21:10 p.m. WTC 7 building complete collapse. (FEMA 403)

5:21:11 FDNY Field Comm 1 reports major collapse of World Trade Center Building #7. (FDNY World Trade Center Incident Summary notes)

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CIA opens probe into work with New York police

http://www.thefreeli...ce-a01612510487

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CIA DENIES WORKING WITH NYPD.........well Im sure were Colby will come down on this.

Edited September 18, 2012 by Steven Gaal

[Len Colby]

CHRONOLOGY OF EMERGENCY RESPONDER OPERATIONS, WORLD TRADE CENTER ATTACK, SEPTEMBER 11, 2001

8:46 a.m. Aircraft strikes WTC 1 on north side causing serious building damage and starting fires on floors 94 through 98. (FEMA 403)

8:49 a.m. WTC Security radio report, PA Channel X – “10-4, S4, I understand there may have been an explosion on Liberty Street.”

8:49 a.m. WTC Security radio report, PA Channel X – “Stay off the air.”

8:54:22 WTC Security radio report, PA Channel X – “… (?)… Do you know basically where the plane hit the building?” (Note: Two unreadable transmissions follow.) “…(?)… By the side right over the … (?)…” “Come back, I didn’t read your transmission. It is on the side of Building Six Tower One.” “…(?)… One hundred One floor you said?” “ … (?)… I got too much… (?)… Here, if you can hear me … (?)… Can you hear me with so much commotion?” “What floor? …(?)… Building Seven. …(?)… Hit Building Seven.” “No it hit World Trade Center One but … (?)… Building Seven. Copy?” “What floor did it hit?” “….(?)… All the way at the top … (?) … and above.” (FDNY Box Alarm Dispatch log)

9:01:58 PAPD Police Desk radio report, PA Channel W – “Evacuate all buildings in the complex. You copy? All buildings in the complex.” “Roger. Units evacuate all units, all tenants in the buildings, at the Trade, at the Trade Center.”

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How exactly does this (all of it) support your (false) claim that OEM told the FDNY that 7 WTC was going to collapse? Or are you insinuating the PAPD was 'in on it' too?

CIA opens probe into work with New York police

http://www.thefreeli...ce-a01612510487

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CIA DENIES WORKING WITH NYPD.........well Im sure were Colby will come down on this.

1) This 100% irrelevant to the questions at hand.

2) They didn't deny it, the director and other officials spoke about it before Congress. Did you a} fail to read your own link or b} read it but not understand it?

[Steven Gaal]

PAUL ISAAC 911 JUSTICE: SEPT 11TH: NYC OEM (INT/OP COMMAND MOBILE CENTER) ON SCENE @

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To our knowledge, none of the [fire] chiefs present believed that a total collapse of either tower was possible.[9/11 Commission Report]

But right before the south tower collapsed, I noticed a lot of people just left the lobby, and I heard we had a crew of all different people, high-level people in government, everybody was gone, almost like they had information that we didn't have.[Joseph Pfeifer, Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.)]

"AS SHOCKING AS THIS CRASH [911] WAS, WE HAD ACTUALLY PLANNED FOR JUST SUCH A CATASTROPHY."

-"Rudy"

Page 4

Leadership Rudolph W Giuliani

"I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the Police Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the Head of Emergency Management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building,

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-RUDY GIULIANI

The OEM Issued a

WTC Collapse Warning

Why didn't the 9/11 Commission mention this?

File No. 9110161

WORLD TRADE CENTER TASK FORCE INTERVIEW

EMT RICHARD ZARRILLO

Interview Date: October 25, 2001

[PDF download]

...Again, times are a little fuzzy initially for me. A few minutes later, John came to me and said you need to go find Chief Ganci and relay the following message: that the buildings have been compromised, we need to evacuate, they're going to collapse. I said okay. I went down Vesey Street towards West.

Q. You were by yourself?

A. I was by myself, me and my helmet and my radio. I got to the corner of Vesey and West. I found some EMS vehicles. I think I saw Chief Gombo there. I'm not really sure. I mentioned to the EMS people there, again, not knowing who they were, I said you need to get away from here, the building might collapse, we need to leave this spot.

As I was walking towards the Fire command post, I found Steve Mosiello. I said, Steve, where's

the boss? I have to give him a message. He said, well, what's the message? I said the buildings are going to collapse; we need to evac everybody out. With a very confused look he said who told you that? I said I was just with John at OEM. OEM says the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get out.

He escorted me over to Chief Ganci. He said, hey, Pete, we got a message that the buildings are going to collapse. His reply was who the xxxx told you that? Then Steve brought me in and with Chief Ganci, Commissioner Feehan, Steve, I believe Chief Turi was initially there, I said, listen, I was just at OEM. The message I was given was that the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get our people out. At that moment, this thunderous, rolling roar came down and that's when the building came down, the first tower came down.

It seems logical that the Office of Emergency Management would warn their boss of the impending collapses, so this would explain how Mayor Giuliani received warning of the collapses.

Richard Sheirer is currently working with Giuliani Partners LLC. Until recently, he was Commissioner of New York City's Mayor's Office of Emergency Management (OEM). Following the September 11th World Trade Center disaster, Mr. Sheirer, in his capacity as Director of the Mayor's Office of Emergency Management, played a key role in overseeing the City's rescue and recovery operations. [ccep.ca]

How did the OEM know something that firefighters in WTC 2's impact area didn't?

Why weren't all firefighters warned?

Andrew Ansbro, Firefighter:

"I was one of the few firefighters to make it out of the Marriott Hotel before the south tower landed on it and killed most of the people inside," he recalled. "The cops had a five-minute head start. They received word that the south tower was going to come down and none of us did. ..." [bay News Brooklyn]

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Since Colby knows this and wont acknowledge....

ODE TO COLBY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSkv_29Rncg

Edited September 19, 2012 by Steven Gaal

[Len Colby]

This dodge is getting tiring, you claimed that the OEM warned the FD about the collapse of 7 WTC but so far have only produced evidence they warned them about 2 WTC and accuse me of being a xxxx for pointing out the discrepancy. As previously noted you stoop to crude insults when the evidence doesn't go your way.

Yes the OEM determined WTC2 was in danger of collapse shortly before it came down word reached the NYPD who got most of their personnel out, some FDNY commanders were warned but most of the FFs in the building were not. There were problems with the FD's radios which had been known about since the '93 bombing but not resolved, that's one of the reasons why the FD hates Giuliani.

[Steven Gaal]

"OEM says the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get out."

I SEE AN 'S' AFTER THE WORD BUILDING. YOU SAY WTC 2 WARNING ONLY.

How did the OEM know something that firefighters in WTC 2's impact area didn't?

Why weren't all firefighters warned?

ANSWER // CAUSE SOME IN OEM KNEW OF CONTROLLED DEMOLITION ,INSIDE JOB

[Len Colby]

Yes, I stand corrected, buildingS - as in both of the Twin Towers, obvious not #7 which hadn't even been damaged yet. You said the OEM told the FDNY that building was going to collapse. The ball is still in your court.

Why weren't all firefighters warned?

As previously stated due to problems with the FDNY's radios.

[Steven Gaal]

I said, Steve, where's

the boss? I have to give him a message. He said, well, what's the message? I said the buildings are going to collapse; we need to evac everybody out. With a very confused look he said who told you that? I said I was just with John at OEM. OEM says the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get out.

He escorted me over to Chief Ganci. He said, hey, Pete, we got a message that the buildings are going to collapse. His reply was who the xxxx told you that? Then Steve brought me in and with Chief Ganci, Commissioner Feehan, Steve, I believe Chief Turi was initially there, I said, listen, I was just at OEM. The message I was given was that the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get our people out. At that moment, this thunderous, rolling roar came down and that's when the building came down, the first tower came down.

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9:01:58 PAPD Police Desk radio report, PA Channel W – “Evacuate all buildings in the complex. You copy? All buildings in the complex.” “Roger. Units evacuate all units, all tenants in the buildings, at the Trade, at the Trade Center.”

ALL IN COMPLEX MEANS WTC7 also

Giuliani Told Towers Would Collapse, Alex Jones 9 11 Silverstein WTC 7 Clip

PULL IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FIREFIGHTERS

Edited September 22, 2012 by Steven Gaal

[Len Colby]

Yawn the order from the PAPD commander came before the 2nd crash and almost an hour before the determination the buildings were in danger of collapse, the latter obviously referred to the Twin Towers and indeed there are several quotes from those at the scene referring to the danger of them coming down, but no such references to the others. Despite its name WTC7 was across the street from the complex and privately owned unlike the others which were owned by the PANYNJ, thus it is unlikely the PAPD had the authority to order an evacuation there. In any case the OEM is part of the city government and is totally separate from the PA which is a super-state agency.