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in true CDs loud explosions and visible flashes precede initiation of collapse the numerous videos of the collapses didn't register either. END COLBY

I heard explosions on the many ,many videos.

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Yawn, the lobby/elevator shaft explosions are old hat they were discussed in both the 9/11 Commission and NIST reports. // END COLBY

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non-contiguous elevator shafts cannot transmit explosive force to lobby from any explosions above their tops where the exlposions occured (see just below red link)

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As with so many of the official explanations for unexplained anomalies in the 9/11 narrative, this elevator shaft theory is ridiculous. And surely it is just idle, noise-filling fluff. Something to sound vaguely intelligible to the general public. Because five minutes of research will show that the WTC Towers' elevators and shafts were not stacked vertically one on top of the other. "Instead of building enough elevators to move everybody from the ground floor to their destination, (the designers) decided to split the trip to the upper floors between multiple elevators. If people wanted to get from the ground to the top floor, they would need to jump from elevator to elevator, in the same way you might switch cars on a subway system."

http://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/structural/wtc2.htm

Underground Explosions

One of the oft-repeated arguments against the intentional demolition hypothesis is that the buildings tumbled from the top down - not from the bottom first. Usually, in a classic demolition, a building is 'pulled' from the core with massive underground explosions and allowed to fall in on itself. Defenders of the 'official story' state that there were no underground explosions 'confirmed' in the lead up to the collapse of the Towers. This is a bizarre argument, and wholly untrue. Because any thorough review of the initial 9/11 reports and footage before the official story was consecrated detail much evidence and eyewitness reports specifically referring to massive underground explosions, secondary explosive devices, beams ejecting themselves from the tops of the buildings, etc. in the lead up to the collapse. All of which wholly support the controlled demolition hypothesis. The first 5 minutes of this clip show some examples of these initial reports.

Watch VideoSeptember 11 revisited

Here are 2 more compilations of early eye-witness testimony:

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Second link

When presented with this evidence, Popular Mechanics, NIST, and other defenders of the 'official' story scramble to keep their narrative alive, stating that eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, confused, and misrepresentative of what actually happened. Curiously, one could make the exact opposite argument; i.e. that initial eyewitness reports are clear, coherent, fresh accounts of what actually did happen before the witnesses were told how to re-interpret their memory to fit the neater narrative of the 'official' story. Moreover, and most significantly, eyewitness testimony and initial reports are what solve the vast majority of crimes committed in this country. And if eyewitness evidence is considered sound, tried, and tested in the court of law in other cases, then surely it is sound in the case of 9/11 as well. Besides, there are still photos and video evidence showing massive underground explosions and huge puffs of smoke ascending from the base of both towers before the start of collapse, supporting the volume of eyewitness testimony and the hypothesis of intentional demolition. Here is a still photo. tower4hx.jpgAnd here is video evidence. Watch low at the base of the Tower for the smoke rising from the street just before collapse. And for in-depth footage and analysis, fast-forward to the 13:25 point of this clip.

Perhaps the strongest evidence of pre-collapse underground explosions lay within the lobby of the North Tower itself, which sustained massive damage some 900 feet below the impact of the airplane. Much of the damage can be seen in this video clip. Ever persistent, the defenders of the 'official story' have blamed the towers' elevator shafts for the lobby's damage. The idea is that the explosion from the impact of the airplanes created huge fireballs of energy which funneled down through the buildings via the elevator shafts, eventually exploding out into the lobby and creating the visible damage and destruction.

As with so many of the official explanations for unexplained anomalies in the 9/11 narrative, this elevator shaft theory is ridiculous. And surely it is just idle, noise-filling fluff. Something to sound vaguely intelligible to the general public. Because five minutes of research will show that the WTC Towers' elevators and shafts were not stacked vertically one on top of the other. "Instead of building enough elevators to move everybody from the ground floor to their destination, (the designers) decided to split the trip to the upper floors between multiple elevators. If people wanted to get from the ground to the top floor, they would need to jump from elevator to elevator, in the same way you might switch cars on a subway system."

So this means that the fireballs from the impact of the airplanes, to account for the damage to the Towers' lobbies in the way the official story tells us, would have had to travel down the first elevator shaft that was connected to the impact floor, exit the doors at that shaft's terminus, amble down the hall, re-enter the next shaft, travel down to that shaft's terminus, exit the doors and repeat this leapfrogging pattern a number of times to find their way down to said lobby. An absurd narrative that defenders of the official story perhaps just throw out once again in an attempt to sound informed and intelligible, hoping that no one actually looks into the veracity of what they are saying. For it is clear that many of them have not spent even the most cursory time investigating the data, and considering their own logic. (Note: If you view the diagram of the elevator shafts on the above website, you will see that there is one shaft that goes from bottom to top. But surely no one is arguing that one single shaft could have caused the widespread destruction scattered throughout the whole lobby.)

Further evidence that supports early eyewitness testimony and reports of massive underground explosions taking place before the onset of the Towers' collapse can also be found in the recorded seismic activity in and around Manhattan on the morning of 9/11. A comprehensive analysis of this seismic activity can be found in Volume 3 of this online scientific journal.

Despite all this strong, compelling evidence of massive underground explosions that supports the theory of controlled demolition, there was no mention, nor discussion of these underground explosions in any of the 'official' reports or investigations. Why? There were eyewitness reports, seismic recordings, and unmistakable video evidence showing massive underground explosions and huge puffs of smoke ascending from the base of both the towers just before they started to collapse. Yet no official mention, nor investigation, was made of the evidence detailing these explosions and their possible relationship to the onset and behavior of the collapse of the Towers. Why?

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in true CDs loud explosions and visible flashes precede initiation of collapse the numerous videos of the collapses didn't register either. END COLBY

I heard explosions on the many ,many videos.

People's memories are faulty, and yours has been shown to have been so on several occasions, you have yet to post such videos. This should not prove difficult if your fantasies were true. The link below has the live feed from 20 TV networks on 9/11. All you have to do is cue them up to just before the collapses and watch.

http://archive.org/d...11/day/20010911

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Yawn, the lobby/elevator shaft explosions are old hat they were discussed in both the 9/11 Commission and NIST reports. // END COLBY

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non-contiguous elevator shafts cannot transmit explosive force to lobby from any explosions above their tops where the exlposions occured (see just below red link)

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Yawn, a misinformed truther, what else is new? Several elevator shafts went top to bottom and flight 175 crashed into the 78th floor sky lobby which had many shafts down to the lower levels

http://www.911myths....explosions.html

One of the oft-repeated arguments against the intentional demolition hypothesis is that the buildings tumbled from the top down - not from the bottom first. Usually, in a classic demolition, a building is 'pulled' from the core with massive underground explosions and allowed to fall in on itself. Defenders of the 'official story' state that there were no underground explosions 'confirmed' in the lead up to the collapse of the Towers. This is a bizarre argument, and wholly untrue.

Strawman as noted previously such explosions were mentioned in the official reports. But this babble is irelevant, the collapses progresed from the impact floors to ground level.

there are still photos and video evidence showing massive underground explosions and huge puffs of smoke ascending from the base of both towers before the start of collapse, supporting the volume of eyewitness testimony and the hypothesis of intentional demolition. Here is a still photo.

LOL this photo shows smoke or dust AFTER collapse initiation.

And here is video evidence. Watch low at the base of the Tower for the smoke rising from the street just before collapse.

Video does NOT run.

"And for in-depth footage and analysis, fast-forward to the 13:25 point of this
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LOL - "This video has been removed because its content violated YouTube's Terms of Service. Sorry about that.”

"Perhaps the strongest evidence of pre-collapse underground explosions lay within the lobby of the North Tower itself, which sustained massive damage some 900 feet below the impact of the airplane. Much of the damage can be seen in this
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This one doesn't play either but this was of the already discussed lobby explosion and LOL the lobby was not "underground".

"Further evidence that supports early eyewitness testimony and reports of massive underground explosions taking place
before
the onset of the Towers' collapse can also be found in the recorded seismic activity in and around Manhattan on the morning of 9/11. A comprehensive analysis of this seismic activity can be found in Volume 3 of this
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The Journal of 9/11 Studies is NOT a “scientific journal” it's a truther website, Neither author is a seismologist or otherwise qualified to have written a paper on the subject. The paper did not undergo legitimate review. The resultant paper was deeply flawed.

http://www.911myths....at_the_wtc.html

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CENSORED VIDEO ?? ITS A TREND

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911 NYPD Chopper NUMEROUS EXPLOSIONS - CONTINUOUS EXPLOSIONS Video revolutionarypolitics.tv 11th Sep 10

My Anti-virus program identified the page as a “Trojan Horse...harmful webpage or file” and blocked me from opening it with Chrome, IE or Firefox, what is it with you and virus laced sites? I found the video on YouTube and sorry it doesn't prove anything, I asked you for actual video showing flashes and or explosive sounds preceding collapse as it a controlled demo. As I noted several posts ago “...when there are large fires in office buildings filled with flammable materials (including massive amounts of jet fuel) things can explode. Most of the reports that truthers point to came well before the buildings collapsed or even became visible unstable so they don't fit CD theories...”

CENSORED VIDEO ?? ITS A TREND

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If Google doesn't follow copyright law it can get sued, since it's a free service it's no surprise they'd pull things when they get complaints and two of the non-working videos are hosted on the blogger's site.

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9/11 EyeWitnesses To WTC Lobby Explosion - NIST FOIA

« on: October 18, 2010, 09:49:22 PM » POSTER Oh CANADA

Witnesses from the 82nd floor talk about making their way down WTC 2 building to exit after the plane hit. Once they reach the 4th floor they experience a big explosion from the lobby.

"Next thing we know we had to get out of the building. We were stuck on the stairs for a while, we finally got down to the lobby, then when we get to the lobby there was this big explosion."

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"At that point, a debate began to rage because. . . many people had felt that possibly explosives had taken out 2 World Trade, and officers were gathering companies together and the officers were debating whether or not to go immediately back in or to see what was going to happen with 1 World Trade at that point. The debate ended pretty quickly because 1 World Trade came down." [

Christopher Fenyo - Firefighter]

"I said, ‘Chief, they're evacuating the other building; right?’ He said, ‘No.’ . . . I said, ‘Why not? They blew up the other one.’ I thought they blew it up with a bomb. I said, ‘If they blew up the one, you know they're gonna blow up the other one.’ He said, ‘No, they're not.’ I said, ‘Well, you gotta tell them to evacuate it, because it's gonna fall down and you gotta get the guys out.’ He said, ‘I'm just the Battalion Chief. I can't order that.’ . . . I said, ‘You got a xxxxing radio and you got a xxxxing mouth. Use the xxxxing things. Empty this xxxxing building.’ Again he said, ‘I'm just a Battalion Chief. I can't do that.’ . . . Eventually this other chief came back and said, ‘They are evacuating this tower.’ . . . And sometime after that . . . I watched the north tower fall." [William Reynolds - Firefighter]

"We saw some kind of explosion ... a lot of smoke come out of the top of the tower and then it collapsed down onto the streets below, much like we saw the first tower about half hour ago."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfiUOlYYcRc&feature=player_embedded

[Lieutenant Fireman and former Auxiliary Police Officer, Paul Isaac Jr.] explained to me that, “many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact.” Paul further elaborated that former CIA director Robert Woolsey, as the Fire Department’s Anti-terrorism Consultant, is sending a gag order down the ranks. “There were definitely bombs in those buildings,” he told me. [

Prison Planet]

"Tower two has had major explosion and what appears to be a complete collapse" ... "...those involved in the secondary explosion at tower 1, 'kay, I've got five patients..." ... "We have got numerous people covered in dust from the secondary explosion..." ... "We've got another explosion at the tower..."

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"At that point, a debate began to rage because. . . many people had felt that possibly explosives had taken out 2 World Trade, and officers were gathering companies together and the officers were debating whether or not to go immediately back in or to see what was going to happen with 1 World Trade at that point. The debate ended pretty quickly because 1 World Trade came down." [

Christopher Fenyo - Firefighter]

This does nothing for your case

"I said, ‘Chief, they're evacuating the other building; right?’ He said, ‘No.’ . . . I said, ‘Why not? They blew up the other one.’ I thought they blew it up with a bomb. I said, ‘If they blew up the one, you know they're gonna blow up the other one.’ He said, ‘No, they're not.’ I said, ‘Well, you gotta tell them to evacuate it, because it's gonna fall down and you gotta get the guys out.’ He said, ‘I'm just the Battalion Chief. I can't order that.’ . . . I said, ‘You got a xxxxing radio and you got a xxxxing mouth. Use the xxxxing things. Empty this xxxxing building.’ Again he said, ‘I'm just a Battalion Chief. I can't do that.’ . . . Eventually this other chief came back and said, ‘They are evacuating this tower.’ . . . And sometime after that . . . I watched the north tower fall." [William Reynolds - Firefighter]

This does nothing for your case

"We saw some kind of explosion ... a lot of smoke come out of the top of the tower and then it collapsed down onto the streets below, much like we saw the first tower about half hour ago."

This does nothing for your case, as noted many thing could have exploded in the towers

[Lieutenant Fireman and former Auxiliary Police Officer, Paul Isaac Jr.] explained to me that, “many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact.” Paul further elaborated that former CIA director Robert Woolsey, as the Fire Department’s Anti-terrorism Consultant, is sending a gag order down the ranks. “There were definitely bombs in those buildings,” he told me. [

Prison Planet]

LOL Paul Isaac?? he is a nut case he claimed to have been a Auxiliary Firefigther or Lieutenant, the problem is the FDNY disbanded the Aux. FD decades before 9/11 he was a "former" aux. cop because he was booted. He denied ever making such comments

"Tower two has had major explosion and what appears to be a complete collapse" ... "...those involved in the secondary explosion at tower 1, 'kay, I've got five patients..." ... "We have got numerous people covered in dust from the secondary explosion..." ... "We've got another explosion at the tower..."

Please provide a link to actual transcrips

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9/11 EyeWitnesses To WTC Lobby Explosion - NIST FOIA

« on: October 18, 2010, 09:49:22 PM » POSTER Oh CANADA

Witnesses from the 82nd floor talk about making their way down WTC 2 building to exit after the plane hit. Once they reach the 4th floor they experience a big explosion from the lobby.

"Next thing we know we had to get out of the building. We were stuck on the stairs for a while, we finally got down to the lobby, then when we get to the lobby there was this big explosion."

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9/11 EyeWitnesses To WTC Lobby Explosion - NIST FOIA

« on: October 18, 2010, 09:49:22 PM » POSTER Oh CANADA

Witnesses from the 82nd floor talk about making their way down WTC 2 building to exit after the plane hit. Once they reach the 4th floor they experience a big explosion from the lobby.

"Next thing we know we had to get out of the building. We were stuck on the stairs for a while, we finally got down to the lobby, then when we get to the lobby there was this big explosion."

The big explosion was the building coming down. I asked you for actual video footage in which we can hear explosions or see flashes just before collapse as in controlled demolition.

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[Lieutenant Fireman and former Auxiliary Police Officer, Paul Isaac Jr.] explained to me that, “many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact.” Paul further elaborated that former CIA director Robert Woolsey, as the Fire Department’s Anti-terrorism Consultant, is sending a gag order down the ranks. “There were definitely bombs in those buildings,” he told me.

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Witnesses from the 82nd floor talk about making their way down WTC 2 building to exit after the plane hit. Once they reach the 4th floor they experience a big explosion from the lobby.

THIS MUST TAKE A LONG TIME,JUST ISNT FIREBALL FROM PLANE DOWN THE SHAFT.

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WTC Firefighters Tape:

Explosions and Aftermath

The above wma file is edited from the 9/11 radio transmissions of North Brunswick Volunteer Fire/Ladder Company #3. The file begins with the collapse of the WTC 2, @3:23 there are three beeps - this signifies a ~20 minute tape edit, and time has moved on to the collapse of WTC 1.

Numerous explosions are reported by firefighters in the transmissions...

"Tower two has had major explosion and what appears to be a complete collapse"

"...those involved in the secondary explosion at tower 1, 'kay, I've got five patients..."

"We have got numerous people covered in dust from the secondary explosion..."

"We've got another explosion at the tower..."

...maybe that's why the OEM issued a World Trade Center collapse warning.

Why were only a select few warned?

Listen to the firefighters transmissions and ask yourself that question.

See also:

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[Lieutenant Fireman and former Auxiliary Police Officer, Paul Isaac Jr.] explained to me that, “many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact.” Paul further elaborated that former CIA director Robert Woolsey, as the Fire Department’s Anti-terrorism Consultant, is sending a gag order down the ranks. “There were definitely bombs in those buildings,” he told me.

As previously explained “LOL Paul Isaac?? he is a nut case he claimed to have been a Auxiliary Firefighter or Lieutenant, the problem is the FDNY disbanded the Aux. FD decades before 9/11 he was a "former" aux. cop because he was booted. He denied ever making such comments.” That's what he claimed to be an “ AUXILIARY Firefighter” That's how he was described in the article your author cited as was as in a very similar article from by “Victorn Thorn” from “Wing-TV”. A later article by Thorn's wife Lisa Guliani reported that Isaac called both American Free Press and Thorn & Guliani to deny have made such comments. He also denied having said this to Mark “Gravy” Roberts. Guliani also claimed that the mother of Isaac's girl friend told her 'that her family has been having some “problems” with Isaac. She went so far as to use the words, “mental problems” and told me he’s been giving them “trouble”'.

Besides having denied making such comments and being reported to have “mental problems” (which fits with his odd behavior) he claim to hold position which ceased to exist years ago, the have not been any FDNY Auxiliary Firefighters for decades. According to several posters on the NYCFIRE.NET forum it was disbanded in the 1970s it seems to have been used primarily to make up for manpower lost during the World Wars. This is further confirmed by the NYC government website which has two hits for “Auxiliary Firefighter”, “Auxiliary Firefighters”, “Auxiliary Fireman” or “Auxiliary Firemen”, they are to two photos from 1952. You will search in vain for reliable references “Auxiliary Firefighter” or “Auxiliary Firefighters” in the FDNY except for articles that mention Isaac (he coned the reporters) and one from the Daily News that mistakenly identified an NYFD Fire Patrolman as an “Auxiliary Firefighter”

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_lavello_050503_bombs.html

http://www.wingtv.net/paulisaac.html

http://www.wingtv.net/thornarticles/isaac2.html

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1838945#post1838945

http://nycfire.net/forums/index.php/topic,1558.0.html

http://search1.nyc.gov/search?output=xml_no_dtd&site=default_collection&proxystylesheet=default_frontend&client=default_frontend&q=%22%93Auxiliary+Firefighter%94%22&submit222=Go

Witnesses from the 82nd floor talk about making their way down WTC 2 building to exit after the plane hit. Once they reach the 4th floor they experience a big explosion from the lobby.

THIS MUST TAKE A LONG TIME,JUST ISNT FIREBALL FROM PLANE DOWN THE SHAFT.

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Listen again they said they were stuck for a while on the 4th floor but when they finally got to the lobby there was an explosion. They almost certainly were in the North Tower (WTC 1) the man said they saw the shadow of a plane just before impact which means they were on the impact side of the building and he was near a window. The 82nd floor the center of the impact zone of WTC 2. Only 20 people survived from the impact zone of WTC2, 12 of whom were in the 78th floor Sky Lobby, 9 of who were the north (far) side; so it is inconceivable they not only survived but would have been so unscathed if that's where they had been.

He said he saw widows falling from floors above and neither was aware of a previous crash, flight 175 hit 26 minutes after flight 11, based on data from NIST and USA Today 90% of the people on floors 77 and up had left, were trying to leave or were helping others escape. So these 2 were in WTC1 the most likely source of the “explosion” was the WTC 2 crash.

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http://www.nist.gov/...m?pub_id=909017 table 3-2

http://usatoday30.us...loor-usat_x.htm

WTC Firefighters

Tape:

Explosions and Aftermath

Edited wma file of 9/11 firefighters' transmissions

The above wma file is edited from the 9/11 radio transmissions of North Brunswick Volunteer Fire/Ladder Company #3. The file begins with the collapse of the WTC 2, @3:23 there are three beeps - this signifies a ~20 minute tape edit, and time has moved on to the collapse of WTC 1.

Numerous explosions are reported by firefighters in the transmissions...

"Tower two has had major explosion and what appears to be a complete collapse"

"...those involved in the secondary explosion at tower 1, 'kay, I've got five patients..."

"We have got numerous people covered in dust from the secondary explosion..."

"We've got another explosion at the tower..."

We're going in circles again, explosions don't necessarily = explosives.

Very weak, your holocaust denying hero said “The camera was not hand held, it was directly connected to the ground via a tripod, and this allowed the camera to visually capture a ground shake which occurred ~13 seconds before the building collapsed. “ but it the footage clearly came from a helicopter the angle is almost straight on to upper floors and we can even hear the rotors, what we don't hear is an explosion, you just debunked yourself another brilliant own goal.

...maybe that's why the OEM issued a World Trade Center collapse warning.

Why were only a select few warned?

We've been over this countless times, you're sending in circles again.

"Listen to the firefighters transmissions and ask yourself that question.

See also:

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We're going in circles again, explosions don't necessarily = explosives. Cacchioli said he'd been misquoted.

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#911Truth #WTFact No. 48: The NORAD Drills And What Happened To Our Fighter Jets

July 26, 2012

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WTFact No. 48: The NORAD Drills And What Happened To Our Fighter Jets

After read­ing about the far­ci­cal nature of the 9/11 Com­mis­sion report in WTFact #49, it should be more appar­ent how disin­gen­u­ous the effort of the com­mis­sion was. No mat­ter what your thoughts on the events of 9/11, one of the most notable unan­swered ques­tions cen­ters around the mas­sive mil­i­tary drills tak­ing place prior to and on Sep­tem­ber 11th. The oft repeated theme dur­ing the benign inves­ti­ga­tion was whether the exer­cises impacted the abil­ity to respond to the cri­sis. NORAD, North Amer­i­can Aero­space Defense Com­mand, is a joint orga­ni­za­tion of Canada and the United States that pro­vides aero­space warn­ing, air sov­er­eignty, and defense.

The war games being con­ducted on the morn­ing of 9/11 were using many of the fighter jets that would have oth­er­wise been avail­able at air bases through­out the North­east. Some of the war games involved remark­ably sim­i­lar sce­nar­ios of air­lin­ers being flown into build­ings. The odds that a real event should occur the exact same day of a sim­i­lar drill or exer­cise are 1-in who knows how many zeros.

This is a list of the exer­cises hap­pen­ing that day.

Global Guardian — annual command-level exer­cise orga­nized by United States Strate­gic Com­mand in coöper­a­tion with Space Com­mand and NORAD.

Vig­i­lant Guardian — semi­an­nual NORAD exer­cise that had been run­ning in con­junc­tion with Global Guardian for sev­eral days and which pos­tu­lated a bomber attack from the for­mer Soviet Union.

Crown Vig­i­lance — Air Com­bat Com­mand

Apollo Guardian — Space Command

Amal­gam War­rior, also going on, was related to Vig­i­lant Guardian but there no known specifics.

Coin­ci­den­tally, the Russ­ian 37th Air Army was also con­duct­ing its own major bomber exer­cises across the Arc­tic and Atlantic.

Oper­a­tion Tri­pod, sched­uled for Sept. 12, was set up to “test the plan to dis­trib­ute antibi­otics to the entire city pop­u­la­tion dur­ing a bioter­ror­ism attack”. Richard Sheirer, direc­tor of the New York City mayor’s Office of Emer­gency Man­age­ment (OEM), had hired “over 1,000 Police Acad­emy cadets and Fire Depart­ment trainees to play ter­ri­fied civil­ians afflicted with var­i­ous med­ical con­di­tions, aller­gies, and panic attacks.” Var­i­ous indi­vid­u­als were invited to watch, includ­ing Mayor Rudolph Giu­liani, the police and fire com­mis­sion­ers, and rep­re­sen­ta­tives of the FBI and the Fed­eral Emer­gency Man­age­ment Agency (FEMA). This exer­cise didn’t nec­es­sar­ily detract from mea­sures related to hijacked planes, but they didn’t have far to go to help out with the real emer­gency that hap­pened.

The Vig­i­lant Guardian exer­cise def­i­nitely caused some con­fu­sion that day which was ref­er­enced most famously in chap­ter 1, foot­note 116 of the 9/11 Com­mis­sion Report. After ini­tial FAA noti­fi­ca­tion of the hijacked planes, the NEADS oper­a­tor responded “Is this real world or exer­cise? FAA responds “No, this is not an exer­cise, not a test”. This is one of the more fre­quently heard clips of NORAD’s aware­ness.

More curi­ously, the stan­dard oper­at­ing pro­ce­dures for deal­ing with hijacked air­lin­ers that had pro­tected this country’s air­space for decades, were not fol­lowed on Sep­tem­ber 11, 2001 because ear­lier in the year, on May 31, Sec­re­tary of State Don­ald Rums­feld made sweep­ing changes which, among other things, required his prior autho­riza­tion before mil­i­tary fighter jets could be scram­bled to inter­cept threats.

In the first few days after 9/11, the mil­i­tary admit­ted that NORAD did not act until after the strike on the Pen­ta­gon at 9:38, although it was at 8:15 that morn­ing that Flight 11 was known to be in trou­ble. Inter­cep­tions usu­ally occur within 15 min­utes, but on 9/11, 80+ min­utes elapsed before any fight­ers were even air­borne.

The stan­dard oper­at­ing pro­ce­dures on inter­cept­ing planes had worked flaw­lessly 100 or more times a year, why change them then?

Sub­se­quently, when the NORAD record­ings were released and ana­lyzed, NORAD, the 9/11 com­mis­sion and the FAA were attempt­ing was to divert atten­tion from the high plau­si­bil­ity of a mil­i­tary stand down order, but the tapes con­firmed the FAA did notify NORAD.

This Infowars arti­cle high­lights the decep­tion that the 10 mem­ber com­mis­sion said they received from the Pen­ta­gon orig­i­nally reported by the Wash­ing­ton Post.

In August 2006, the
, “Some staff mem­bers and com­mis­sion­ers of the Sept. 11 panel con­cluded that the Pentagon’s ini­tial story of how it reacted to the 2001 ter­ror­ist attacks may have been part of a delib­er­ate effort to mis­lead the com­mis­sion and the pub­lic rather than a reflec­tion of the fog of events on that day, accord­ing to sources involved in the debate.”

The report revealed how the 10-member com­mis­sion deeply sus­pected decep­tion to the point where they con­sid­ered refer­ring the mat­ter to the Jus­tice Depart­ment for crim­i­nal investigation.

From the same arti­cle, there’s quotes from Thomas Kean and James Farmer respec­tively, show­ing the panel was chas­ing it’s tail and they knew it.

“We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North Amer­i­can Aero­space Com­mand] told us what they told us,” said Thomas H. Kean, the for­mer New Jer­sey Repub­li­can gov­er­nor who led the com­mis­sion. “It was just so far from the truth.… It’s one of those loose ends that never got tied.”

Farmer him­self is quoted in the Post arti­cle, stat­ing, “I was shocked at how dif­fer­ent the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a rad­i­cally dif­fer­ent story from what had been told to us and the pub­lic for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”

If we’re to believe the 9/11 Report that the 19 fabled hijack­ers really pulled this off, they either got real lucky or had help to land on a day when most of the resources assigned to hijack­ings were unavail­able. That has to make you won­der.

Here is another prime exam­ple from 9/11 Blog­ger of how the com­mit­tee wasted America’s time and hid the truth, in this case by plac­ing a lot of blame on the FAA.

The NORAD time­line indi­cated that dur­ing the cri­sis hours of 9/11, the FAA became increas­ingly slower in deliv­er­ing alerts to NORAD. This seemed to shift the blame for the failed response to the FAA.

As late as May 2003, Gen­eral Arnold of NORAD, sit­ting along­side Gen. Myers, pre­sented a slightly revised ver­sion of NORAD’s Sept. 2001 time­line, in tes­ti­mony to the Kean Com­mis­sion. He revealed for the first time that NORAD was alerted about the hijack­ing of Flight 93, which crashed in Penn­syl­va­nia, at 9:16 a.m., a full 47 min­utes before the claimed crash time at 10:03. But he stuck to the story about the other flights; in the case of AA77 which hit the Pen­ta­gon, the alert sup­pos­edly arrived at 9:24 am.

The FAA dis­puted Gen. Arnold’s tes­ti­mony with a state­ment of May 21, 2003. The FAA claimed that regard­less of the offi­cial noti­fi­ca­tion times claimed by NORAD, phone bridges were estab­lished imme­di­ately after the ini­tial attack (at 8:46). NORAD was informed in real time through­out of all devel­op­ments, includ­ing about the plane that ulti­mately hit the Pen­ta­gon, the FAA said.

Thus for more than a year the FAA has been in open dis­pute with NORAD on the issue of who informed whom and when about the Sept. 11 hijack­ings; unfor­tu­nately, this has never become the major media story it deserves to be.

The Kean Com­mis­sion itself inter­vened in June 2004. In a staff state­ment deliv­ered at its final set of hear­ings (“Impro­vis­ing a Home­land Defense”), the Com­mis­sion out­lined a chronol­ogy that com­pletely ditched the time­line that NORAD had upheld for two years. It also effec­tively placed almost all of the blame for delayed air defense response on the FAA.

Gens. Arnold and Myers, who tes­ti­fied to the Com­mis­sion that same morn­ing, were not held to account for hav­ing pre­sented an entirely wrong time­line a year ear­lier. Instead, they sim­ply thanked the Kean Com­mis­sion for clear­ing up the con­fu­sion. In return, one com­mis­sioner made a point of telling the gen­er­als they were not to blame; after all, it was all the FAA’s fault!

A group of FAA offi­cials who tes­ti­fied in the sub­se­quent, final ses­sion stuck by their old defense that they had in fact pro­vided ade­quate and timely infor­ma­tion to NORAD via the phone bridges. As the hear­ings con­cluded, they still dis­puted both time­lines: the old one from NORAD, and the new one from the Kean Commission.

The dis­crep­an­cies are read­ily appar­ent to any­one pay­ing atten­tion. With all these activ­i­ties tak­ing place, it’s easy to see that beyond the con­fu­sion, the sheer dis­tance most of these air­craft were from their nor­mal areas cre­ated large areas of unmanned air­space which is per­fect if you don’t want any inter­fer­ence or wit­nesses to sus­pi­cious plane behav­ior and flight paths. The fact that these dis­crep­an­cies did not raise more con­cern should put this in more con­text.

To gain more clar­ity, watch any one of the videos below

CBS News

Keith Olber­mann

USA Today and other “main­stream” arti­cles pointed out by Alex Jones

The exer­cises explained by Loose Change

The 47 min film “9/11 Inter­cepted“

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LOL changing the subject once again Gaal, even John Simkin noted you have a habit of doing this. I imagine this is a sign you know you're loosing.

#911Truth #WTFact No. 48: The NORAD Drills And What Happened To Our Fighter Jets

July 26, 2012

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WTFact No. 48: The NORAD Drills And What Happened To Our Fighter Jets

After read­ing about the far­ci­cal nature of the 9/11 Com­mis­sion report in WTFact #49, it should be more appar­ent how disin­gen­u­ous the effort of the com­mis­sion was. No mat­ter what your thoughts on the events of 9/11, one of the most notable unan­swered ques­tions cen­ters around the mas­sive mil­i­tary drills tak­ing place prior to and on Sep­tem­ber 11th. The oft repeated theme dur­ing the benign inves­ti­ga­tion was whether the exer­cises impacted the abil­ity to respond to the cri­sis. NORAD, North Amer­i­can Aero­space Defense Com­mand, is a joint orga­ni­za­tion of Canada and the United States that pro­vides aero­space warn­ing, air sov­er­eignty, and defense.

The war games being con­ducted on the morn­ing of 9/11 were using many of the fighter jets that would have oth­er­wise been avail­able at air bases through­out the North­east.

BS, after being cut in the wake of the Cold War the number of jets on scramble alert had been reduced to 14 in the 'Lower 48' only 4 were anywhere near the hijacked jets, 2 at Otis AFB in Cape Cod and 2 at Langley AFB which despite its name is in southern Virgina.

Some of the war games involved remark­ably sim­i­lar sce­nar­ios of air­lin­ers being flown into build­ings. The odds that a real event should occur the exact same day of a sim­i­lar drill or exer­cise are 1-in who knows how many zeros.

This is a list of the exer­cises hap­pen­ing that day.

Global Guardian — annual command-level exer­cise orga­nized by United States Strate­gic Com­mand in coöper­a­tion with Space Com­mand and NORAD.

Vig­i­lant Guardian — semi­an­nual NORAD exer­cise that had been run­ning in con­junc­tion with Global Guardian for sev­eral days and which pos­tu­lated a bomber attack from the for­mer Soviet Union.

Crown Vig­i­lance — Air Com­bat Com­mand

Apollo Guardian — Space Command

Amal­gam War­rior, also going on, was related to Vig­i­lant Guardian but there no known specifics.

Zero citations, were all these exercises really going on on 9/11? If so what evidence is there they negatively impacted response times?

Coin­ci­den­tally, the Russ­ian 37th Air Army was also con­duct­ing its own major bomber exer­cises across the Arc­tic and Atlantic.

Oper­a­tion Tri­pod, sched­uled for Sept. 12, was set up to “test the plan to dis­trib­ute antibi­otics to the entire city pop­u­la­tion dur­ing a bioter­ror­ism attack”. Richard Sheirer, direc­tor of the New York City mayor’s Office of Emer­gency Man­age­ment (OEM), had hired “over 1,000 Police Acad­emy cadets and Fire Depart­ment trainees to play ter­ri­fied civil­ians afflicted with var­i­ous med­ical con­di­tions, aller­gies, and panic attacks.” Var­i­ous indi­vid­u­als were invited to watch, includ­ing Mayor Rudolph Giu­liani, the police and fire com­mis­sion­ers, and rep­re­sen­ta­tives of the FBI and the Fed­eral Emer­gency Man­age­ment Agency (FEMA). This exer­cise didn’t nec­es­sar­ily detract from mea­sures related to hijacked planes, but they didn’t have far to go to help out with the real emer­gency that hap­pened.

So exercises that supposedly retarded response are proof of an 'inside job' and one that apparently aided response is evidence of the same thing?

The Vig­i­lant Guardian exer­cise def­i­nitely caused some con­fu­sion that day which was ref­er­enced most famously in chap­ter 1, foot­note 116 of the 9/11 Com­mis­sion Report. After ini­tial FAA noti­fi­ca­tion of the hijacked planes, the NEADS oper­a­tor responded “Is this real world or exer­cise? FAA responds “No, this is not an exer­cise, not a test”. This is one of the more fre­quently heard clips of NORAD’s aware­ness.

And as can be seen on one of the posted videos (the CBS one IIRC) asking and answering such questions only took about 1 second.

More curi­ously, the stan­dard oper­at­ing pro­ce­dures for deal­ing with hijacked air­lin­ers that had pro­tected this country’s air­space for decades, were not fol­lowed on Sep­tem­ber 11, 2001 because ear­lier in the year, on May 31, Sec­re­tary of State Don­ald Rums­feld made sweep­ing changes which, among other things, required his prior autho­riza­tion before mil­i­tary fighter jets could be scram­bled to inter­cept threats.

More BS, typical truther confusion they conflated intercept orders, sending fighters into the air to accompany suspect aircraft with shootdown orders, jets were scrambled (order to intercept) but failed to reach any of the jets before they crashed, the order did not affect one or the other.

In the first few days after 9/11, the mil­i­tary admit­ted that NORAD did not act until after the strike on the Pen­ta­gon at 9:38,

Independent of what they may or may not have initially said multiple sources indicated planes scrambled well before this.

although it was at 8:15 that morn­ing that Flight 11 was known to be in trou­ble. Inter­cep­tions usu­ally occur within 15 min­utes,

-According to the 9/11 Timeline it wasn't till 8:20 that ATC concluded the flight had been hijacked and wasn't till 8:30 – 8:40 that the military were notified.

- The notion that “inter­cep­tions usu­ally occur within 15 min­utes” is truther fiction. It took well over an hour to intercept Payne Stewart's plane and that was the only NORAD intercept over the US mainland in the decade preceding 9/11.

but on 9/11, 80+ min­utes elapsed before any fight­ers were even air­borne.

No it took about 25 minutes.

The stan­dard oper­at­ing pro­ce­dures on inter­cept­ing planes had worked flaw­lessly 100 or more times a year, why change them then?

Another claim without documentation.

Sub­se­quently, when the NORAD record­ings were released and ana­lyzed, NORAD, the 9/11 com­mis­sion and the FAA were attempt­ing was to divert atten­tion from the high plau­si­bil­ity of a mil­i­tary stand down order, but the tapes con­firmed the FAA did notify NORAD.

No one disputed that the FAA informed NORAD, the link provided nothing but speculation.

This Infowars arti­cle high­lights the decep­tion that the 10 mem­ber com­mis­sion said they received from the Pen­ta­gon orig­i­nally reported by the Wash­ing­ton Post.

In August 2006, the Wash­ing­ton Post reported, “Some staff mem­bers and com­mis­sion­ers of the Sept. 11 panel con­cluded that the Pentagon’s ini­tial story of how it reacted to the 2001 ter­ror­ist attacks may have been part of a delib­er­ate effort to mis­lead the com­mis­sion and the pub­lic rather than a reflec­tion of the fog of events on that day, accord­ing to sources involved in the debate.”

The report revealed how the 10-member com­mis­sion deeply sus­pected decep­tion to the point where they con­sid­ered refer­ring the mat­ter to the Jus­tice Depart­ment for crim­i­nal investigation.

From the same arti­cle, there’s quotes from Thomas Kean and James Farmer respec­tively, show­ing the panel was chas­ing it’s tail and they knew it.

“We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North Amer­i­can Aero­space Com­mand] told us what they told us,” said Thomas H. Kean, the for­mer New Jer­sey Repub­li­can gov­er­nor who led the com­mis­sion. “It was just so far from the truth.… It’s one of those loose ends that never got tied.”

Farmer him­self is quoted in the Post arti­cle, stat­ing, “I was shocked at how dif­fer­ent the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a rad­i­cally dif­fer­ent story from what had been told to us and the pub­lic for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”

But none of the sources above indicated there was stand down order.

If we’re to believe the 9/11 Report that the 19 fabled hijack­ers really pulled this off, they either got real lucky or had help to land on a day when most of the resources assigned to hijack­ings were unavail­able. That has to make you won­der.

The bolded part above is a fallacious conclusion based on the underlined false premise.

Here is another prime exam­ple from 9/11 Blog­ger of how the com­mit­tee wasted America’s time and hid the truth, in this case by plac­ing a lot of blame on the FAA.

The NORAD time­line indi­cated that dur­ing the cri­sis hours of 9/11, the FAA became increas­ingly slower in deliv­er­ing alerts to NORAD. This seemed to shift the blame for the failed response to the FAA.

As late as May 2003, Gen­eral Arnold of NORAD, sit­ting along­side Gen. Myers, pre­sented a slightly revised ver­sion of NORAD’s Sept. 2001 time­line, in tes­ti­mony to the Kean Com­mis­sion. He revealed for the first time that NORAD was alerted about the hijack­ing of Flight 93, which crashed in Penn­syl­va­nia, at 9:16 a.m., a full 47 min­utes before the claimed crash time at 10:03. But he stuck to the story about the other flights; in the case of AA77 which hit the Pen­ta­gon, the alert sup­pos­edly arrived at 9:24 am.

“ the alert [that AA 77 had been hijacked] SUP­POS­EDLY arrived at 9:24 am.” Still not evidence of a stand down

To gain more clar­ity, watch any one of the videos below

CBS News

Keith Olber­mann

Nothing in these videos supports the notion there was a stand down.

USA Today and other “main­stream” arti­cles pointed out by Alex Jones

Despite all of Jones' hysterical (in both sense of the word) huffing and puffing he didn't provide evidence for a stand down. Oh and the exercise of a plane crashing into the Pentagon was first responders nor air defenses and the imagined scenario did not entail a hijacking, it's on the flight path for Washington National Airport.

The exer­cises explained by Loose Change

The 47 min film “9/11 Inter­cepted'

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STAND DOWN WITHOUT SAYING STAND-DOWN

The 'Stand-Down Order'

The shocking failure of the air defense system to protect New York City and the capital would seem to require either an incredible series of failures or an order to stop intercepts -- a stand-down order. Yet apparently there have been no cases of military officials disciplined for gross negligence surrounding 9/11/01, nor have there been publicized reports of commanders admitting to having received stand-down orders.

If the stand-down order were disguised as a procedural change, and enacted well in advance, it might be hidden in plain sight.

CJCSI 3610.01, dated July 31, 1997, required that all requests for assistance in hijackings be approved by the Secretary of Defense. An update to that order, CJCSI 3610.01, dated June 1, 2001, had an exception for emergencies that would seem to give commanders in the field autonomy in ordering intercepts. However, that exception did not cover requests for "potentially lethal assistance", the kind required to respond to the attack:

(DODD 2025.15, Feb. 18, 1997) 4.4 The Secretary of Defense retains approval authority for support to civil authorities involving: use of Commander in Chief (CINC)-assigned forces (personnel units, and equipment) when required under paragraph 4.5, below; DoD support that will result in a planned event with the potential for confrontation with specifically identified individuals and/or groups or will result in the use of lethal force. 1

Hence, this order may have been the long-sought stand-down order.

If it is true that the standing orders would have required approval by the Secretary of Defense for intercepts on 9/11/01, then, in theory, a defacto stand-down could have been implemented by the secretary simply failing to act during the crisis. However, it is doubtful that insiders planning the attack would have relied on the orders alone to assure that there was no effective military response to the attack. It was likely one of a number of "fixes" that included multiple war games planned on the day of the attack. Thus, even if commanders violated standing orders and ordered intercepts of the commandeered jetliners, they would face depleted interceptor resources and corrupted flight data.

The following post starts with the June 1st order and goes on about Rumsfeld. It fails to note Reference D, explained in Jerry Russell's stand-down post, and fails to note the order which JCSI 3610.01A supersedes, JCSI 3610.01.

e x c e r p t title: Criminal Mastermind: Donald Rumsfeld

From: *San Francisco IMC*

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*Criminal Mastermind: Donald Rumsfeld*

by D. Rumsfeld /Thursday July 17, 2003 at 06:52 PM/

Download the actual Joint Chiefs of Staff Document this

article is based on (Adobe PDF):

http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf

Criminal Mastermind: Donald Rumsfeld

(please help to disseminate this information)

By Donald Rumsfeld's own admission, he was unaware of any threats

to the Pentagon -- the building where he was located during the

September 11th attacks -- until an aircraft crashed into the side

of it, and he ran out "into the smoke" to see if it might be a

"A bomb? I had no idea."

(ABC News This Week, Interview 9/16/01).

Well, that's a pretty tall tale by any standard. The New York

Times reported that by 8:13am, the FAA was aware of the first

hijacking out of Boston. The Pentagon explosion, which Donald

Rumsfeld claimed he had "no idea," did not occur until

approximately 9:37am, nearly an hour and a half later, this after

two of the tallest buildings in the world were devastated. Note

that a plane hijacked out of Boston can reach Washington D.C. as

easily as it can reach New York City.

It was widely reported that Pentagon personnel were indeed aware

of the threats to their security, and they took security measures

on that morning. But not the "Secretary of Defense." Why should

the man charged with defending the United States of America

concern himself with hijacked aircraft?

There is a set of procedures for responding to hijackings. In

particular, these procedures were changed on June 1, 2001 while

Rumsfeld was in power as our Secretary of Defense, in a document

called:

"CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF INSTRUCTION,

J-3 CJCSI 3610.01A"

(http://www.dtic.mil/...si/3610_01a.pdf)

"AIRCRAFT PIRACY (HIJACKING) AND DESTRUCTION OF DERELICT AIRBORNE

OBJECTS"

These are the standing orders to the military as to how to

respond to hijackings over United States territory. The June 1

'01 document deliberately changed the existing policies.

Previous directives were issued in 1997, 1986 and before.

What is shocking about this entire sordid episode is the total

disconnect between what Donald Rumsfeld's story alleges

(ignorance of inbound hijacked aircraft), and what these Chief

of Staff Instructions require of the Secretary of Defense:

"b. Support.

When notified that military assistance is needed in conjunction

with an aircraft piracy (hijacking) emergency, the DDO, NMCC,

will:

(1) Determine whether or not the assistance needed is reasonably

available from police or commercial sources. If not, the DDO,

NMCC, will notify the appropriate unified command or NORAD to

determine if suitable assets are available and will forward the

request to the Secretary of Defense for approval in accordance

with DODD 3025.15, paragraph D.7 (reference d)."

"APPROVAL"

The usage of the word "approval" is the major change here to the

existing hijacking response procedures. While the text of the

document tries to link this "approval" to the previous orders

"DODD 3025.15," the approval is now required BEFORE providing any

assistance at all. Previously, approval would be required to

respond to a situation with lethal force.

This June 1st update to the orders stopped all military

assistance in its tracks UNTIL approval from Donald Rumsfeld

(the "Secretary of Defense") could be granted -- which, by his

own admission, it was not. Rumsfeld claimed total ignorance of

the inbound aircraft that attacked the Pentagon (on the opposite

side of the building complex, where a construction project had

been underway) .*

In this manner, fighter planes were held up from immediately

responding to the hijacked commercial jets on September the 11th.

The flight base commanders were ordered by the June 1st "Joint

Chiefs of Staff Instruction" to wait for "approval" from the

Secretary of Defense before they could respond to hijackings,

where they would have routinely responded in the past.

It's inconceivable that New York City could be struck by two

wayward jumbo jets, and still over 30 minutes later there

remained no defenses over the skies of Washington D.C., easily

one of the most heavily defended places in the world.

This reality led Anatoli Kornukov, the commander-in-chief of the

Russian Air Force to say: "Generally it is impossible to carry

out an act of terror on the scenario which was used in the USA

yesterday. (...) As soon as something like that happens here, I

am reported about that right away and in a minute we are all up."

The Plot Thickens

Enter the patsy. Rumsfeld wouldn't be a mastermind if he hadn't

thought of a fall guy to take the blame, if needed. This brings

us to Tom White, the former Enron executive, appointed to be

Secretary of the Army, and more importantly the "executive agent

for the Department of Defense" on May 31, 2001 --

ONE DAY BEFORE THE NEW HIJACKING INSTRUCTIONS WERE ISSUED!

The first public statement of Donald Rumsfeld on September 11th,

2001 makes an issue of Tom White's "responsibility" for the

situation:

"Secretary of the Army Tom White, who has a responsibility for

incidents like this as executive agent for the Department of

Defense, is also joining me."

(The Pentagon, Arlington, Virginia, September 11, 2001 6:42 P.M.,

http://www.patriotre...l/0911/DoD.html)

It should be noted that Rumsfeld eventually fired White,

allegedly for disagreeing about a weapons system. But, what about

the introduction cited above? This is clearly an attempt to

divert blame and responsibility away from the Secretary of

Defense, and over to the "executive agent" a position that the

general public would have no knowledge. That way, if inquisitive

reporters started asking questions about the procedures and

failures, Rumsfeld would have an easy scapegoat as to who the

*real* person in charge of the situation should have been.

Amazingly, no mainstream reporters bothered to investigate these

matters at this level, and so the patsy wound up being

unnecessary.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff Instruction is explicit, however, and

it mentions Rumsfeld's position and it requires his "approval."

Just where was this "approval" on September 11th 2001?

There is no mention of the Secretary of Defense approving

anything related to the hijackings. The Vice-President (Cheney)

is on record as approving the shooting down of the fourth plane

over Pennsylvania. Whether or not the shoot-down occurred is

not yet clear. But there is no connection whatsoever to the

Secretary of Defense, whose "approval" is explicitly required

before the military can respond to a hijacking incident over the

USA, according to its own instructions.

CHANGING THE RULES

The 1997 procedures provided a clear way for the military to

respond to an emergency such as a hijacking:

"4.7.1. Immediate Response.

Requests for an immediate response (i.e., any form of immediate

action taken by a DoD Component or military commander to save

lives, prevent human suffering, or mitigate great property

damage under imminently serious conditions) may be made to any

Component or Command. The DoD Components that receive verbal

requests from civil authorities for support in an exigent

emergency may initiate informal planning and, if required,

immediately respond as authorized in DoD Directive 3025.1

(reference (g))."

Rumsfeld went ahead and clouded the waters. The priority in the

June 1st, 2001 directive is to place decision making power -- in

the specific case of a hijacking -- into the hands of the

Secretary of Defense. This is repeated in multiple paragraphs:

"c. Military Escort Aircraft

(1) When notified that military escort aircraft are needed in

conjunction with an aircraft piracy (hijacking) emergency, the

DDO, NMCC, will notify the appropriate unified command or

USELEMNORAD to determine if suitable aircraft are available and

forward the request to the Secretary of Defense for approval in

accordance with DODD 3025.15, paragraph D.7 (reference d)."

This creates the necessity for: 1) making a request to the

Secretary of Defense, and 2) receiving approval before military

aircraft may respond.

The statement "to determine if suitable aircraft are available"

is also suspicious. Can anyone imagine a situation where the

United States of America does not have a "suitable aircraft"

available to respond to a hijacked airliner?

NORAD tried to spin such a story in the aftermath of September

11th. Supposedly, we just didn't have any fighter planes on the

morning of September 11th. What were they all doing?

Obviously we had planes available in Washington D.C., because

press reports tell us about the "air cover" or "air cap" that

went into effect just after the Pentagon was struck. Planes from

Andrews Air Force base were in the sky "just minutes" after the

Pentagon was struck. Why was no air cover available BEFORE the

Pentagon was struck, Mr. Rumsfeld? After all, the "Secretary of

Defense" is supposed to approve the launching of "Military

Escort Aircraft." Did you?

If not, why not?

Also, if you take no interest in actually "defending" the people

of America during an attack, why do you remain in your position

as the Secretary of Defense?

RUMSFELD SPINNING LIES

Both Rumsfeld and Condoleezza Rice have maintained the fiction

that:

"RUMSFELD: (...) Never would have crossed anyone's mind that a

commercial airline -- usually a hijacker who takes an airplane,

of course, wants to get someplace or wants to make a statement

or wants to go on television or wants to hold hostages, but this

is a distinctly different behavior pattern than we've seen

previously, and now, obviously, it's something we have to be

attentive to."

(NBC's Meet the Press, Washington, D.C., September30, 2001

http://www.patriotre...930/SoDNBC.html)

This is a blatant lie, which can be disproved in numerous ways:

1) Threats of a suicide skyjacking were known at the Genoa G-8

summit in July of 2001. The Italian government ringed the city

of Genoa and the airport with anti-aircraft guns and missiles

because of a known Al Qaeda plot to assassinate George W. Bush

and other world leaders.

(LA TIMES, September 27, 2001)

2) The Pentagon had staged response exercises, "Mass Casualty

Exercises" in the case of a crash by a jetliner, nearly a year

before September 11th in October of 2000.

3) Since 1995, the FBI had been aware of "Project Bojinka" a

plan by extremists to simultaneously seize and to crash multiple

commercial jets as suicide weapons. This prompted investigations

at US flight schools.

4) Numerous warnings from Britain, Egypt, Germany, Russia,

Israel, Jordan and others alerted the US intelligence services

that a plane would be used as a weapon to attack "prominent

symbols of American power," including World Trade Center and the

Pentagon, during the Summer of 2001.

5) A small Cessna plane actually did crash into the White House

on September 12, 1994.

6) In 1994, suicidal Algerian hijackers plotted to use an Air

France jetliner, loaded with fuel and dynamite as a deadly

weapon and crash into the Eiffel Tower.

7) Another similar plan had Muslim militants hijack Pan Am

Flight 76 in Pakistan in 1986 in order to attack Tel Aviv,

Israel. The plane was stormed before take-off.

8) At the 1996 Atlanta Summer Olympics, "Black Hawk helicopters

and US Customs Service jets were deployed to intercept suspicious

aircraft in the skies over the Olympic venues,"

(LA Times).

With the numerous reports that came out in May of 2002 of Bush

Administration warnings prior to September 11th, it is the lack

of action that is most telling. The American people were not

warned. Instead lies were told that "no warnings" were ever

received. When it became public knowledge that warnings were

indeed received, the Bush Administration spin changed to

"warnings weren't specific enough." This is also a lie.

If US airport security screeners were given the type of

information that was widely known in the intelligence community,

then there is a good chance that thousands of lives could have

been saved.

But, in that case, we wouldn't have a "new Pearl Harbor."

PRETEXT FOR AMERICAN AGGRESSION

The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) is a Washington

foreign policy "think tank" created in 1997 by Donald Rumsfeld,

Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush and others. Their policy

papers are available on the web. In a document called

"Rebuilding America's Defenses" they spell out pretty

straightforwardly what it is they seek. The "neo conservatives"

want nothing short of total world domination though military

and financial supremacy.

It is about the time that the PNAC was founded when Rumsfeld

and others began to pressure President Clinton to invade Iraq.

A January 1998 letter demands a new strategy of Clinton: "That

strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam

Hussein's regime from power."

Iraq, the second largest oil reserve in the world, is a major

strategic prize. And it is the strategic advantage that drives

the ideologues such as Rumsfeld, confident in the belief that

whatever means employed are justified in the pursuit of American

"primacy" or dominance over the entire world. The Project for

the New American Century will accept no challenge to American

supremacy around the globe, and the policies they are now

implementing support this belief. They intend to raise military

expenditures to absurd levels, in a world where the United States

already outspends the rest of the earth combined on military.

What the September 11th attacks are then is stated explicitly in

"Rebuilding America's Defenses." It is the "new Pearl Harbor."

According to Rumsfeld and company, the United States of America

would slowly become the unchallenged power of the world. But this

process would be speeded up satisfactorily if some new external

attack, "some catastrophic and catalysing event, like a new Pearl

Harbor" were to occur. This concept is also state explicitly in

"THE GRAND CHESSBOARD - American Primacy And It's Geostrategic

Imperatives," Zbigniew Brzezinski, Basic Books, 1997.

Both Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz traveled around the media after

September 11 repeating the phrase "Pearl Harbor," and cementing

it in people's minds. The "Pearl Harbor effect" is what is

sought. An America gung-ho for war, for payback, for militarism,

for sacrifice, for tears, for aggression, for the kind of

violence witnessed at Hiroshima or Nagasaki if need be, this is

the intended effect of September the 11th and ultimately the

reason that day came to pass.

These are the true reasons that the September 11th attacks remain

uninvestigated, covered-up and classified. Motive, opportunity

and means -- the only thing needed here is justice.

Much ado was made in the press about John Walker Lindh, the

"American Taliban" who fought in Afghanistan. On September 11,

2001, there was another Al Qaeda operative, a man who did more

to help the attacks succeed than anyone else. It was not Osama

bin Laden, but Donald H. Rumsfeld who has earned his place in

the history books as the "American Taliban 2."

Don't forget that it was Donald Rumsfeld shaking the hand of

Saddam Hussein in 1983, even while it was known that the dictator

("Hitler revisited") was using prohibited poison gas weapons.

Rumsfeld assisted Saddam Hussein both financially and militarily,

never once bringing up any qualms about helping a "ruthless

dictator who gasses his own people."

page: sf.indymedia.org/print.php?id=1628578

References

1. <a class="offsite" href="http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/d302515_021897/d302515p.pdf">Military Assistance to Civil Authorities, dtic.mil, 2/18/1997

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Completely irrelevant to the collapses of the WTC towers, and thus completely irrelevant to this thread. John Simkin was critical of you tendency to hijack threads, are you saying he was wrong?

video reposted post # 102 above

I made it through over 15 minutes, over 1/3rd, they've yet to make a point, do they ever do so?

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STAND DOWN WITHOUT SAYING STAND-DOWN

The 'Stand-Down Order'

The shocking failure of the air defense system to protect New York City and the capital would seem to require either an incredible series of failures or an order to stop intercepts -- a stand-down order. Yet apparently there have been no cases of military officials disciplined for gross negligence surrounding 9/11/01, nor have there been publicized reports of commanders admitting to having received stand-down orders.

If the stand-down order were disguised as a procedural change, and enacted well in advance, it might be hidden in plain sight.

CJCSI 3610.01, dated July 31, 1997, required that all requests for assistance in hijackings be approved by the Secretary of Defense. An update to that order, CJCSI 3610.01, dated June 1, 2001, had an exception for emergencies that would seem to give commanders in the field autonomy in ordering intercepts. However, that exception did not cover requests for "potentially lethal assistance", the kind required to respond to the attack:

(DODD 2025.15, Feb. 18, 1997) 4.4 The Secretary of Defense retains approval authority for support to civil authorities involving: use of Commander in Chief (CINC)-assigned forces (personnel units, and equipment) when required under paragraph 4.5, below; DoD support that will result in a planned event with the potential for confrontation with specifically identified individuals and/or groups or will result in the use of lethal force. 1

The failure to intercept was not especially schocking. It took 85 minutes for a fighter already in the air to intercept Payne Stewart's Learjet from the time of the 1st missed radio call. The Lear was flying in a straight line in uncrowded airspace with its transponder on. The hijacked planes by contrast were flying erratic paths in crowded airspace with their transponders turned off. 85 minutes after 8:15 was 9:40 by which time planes were already defending NY and DC.

As for the change of orders it - as even your hapless author acknowledged - “had an exception for emergencies that would seem to give commanders in the field autonomy in ordering intercepts. However, that exception did not cover requests for "potentially lethal assistance", the kind required to respond to the attack:” But he conflated intercepts with shoot-downs, the latter is "potentially lethal” the former isn't. The fighters from Otis took off about 30 min after AA11's missed radio call, that's about how long it took to divert and launch planes in the Stewart incident.

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