O'Reilly's Book (on JFK) has been green-lighted to be a movie

[Ian Kingsbury]

Dave

Who do you think might have done it?.

If Oswald never existed who would you suspect?.

Do you think anybody else might have been peeved enough?.

I understand you will have to feed these into Deep Thought and

it may take some time .

Ian

[David Von Pein]

If Oswald never existed, who would you suspect?

If Oswald had never existed, JFK doesn't get shot at all.

Duh.

[Paul Baker]

That's right. In the JFK case there are no absolutes. Unless, that is, one is needed to nail Oswald to the wall. And if the necessary absolute doesn't work just keep changing it until you get one that does. As in the case of William Whaley.

The absolute concerning the time of the bus that Helen Markham got to work every day, in the world that you and David Von Pein inhabit, doesn't exist.

In Bakerville, Helen Markham left her home that afternoon at her REGULAR time to catch her REGULAR bus that you would have us believe had already left.

Similar to William Whaley's manifest stating in black and white that he dropped Oswald off BEFORE he picked him up.

So the congratulations are all yours.

Congratulations on believing, and supporting, the biggest pile of BS ever committed to paper.

Yes Lee, I live in a fantasy world called Bakerville, where all the hard physical evidence supports 'the biggest pile of BS ever committed to paper'. Clearly things are different in Farley-on-the-Wold, where space, time and reality are all out of kilter.

[Ian Kingsbury]

And it has a chicken shop too!.

[Paul Baker]

In Bakerville, the Hillsborough disaster happened because of drunken Liverpool supporters without tickets and everyone who died there was dead by 3:15pm. Why would anybody believe anything else? That's what the statements and death certificates say.

Lee, I think you've thrown common sense, logic and rational thought out of the window.

The abomination that is the Hillsborough Disaster isn't the same as the JFK assassination. In the case of the former, with time and persistence, the truth has begun to emerge. In the case of the latter, which surely has come under more scrutiny over a much longer period of time, no-one has yet presented an iota of credible evidence that contradicts the basic conclusion of the Warren Commission. How come?

I've no doubt there are such things as cover-up, consipiracy and corruption. That's why there are words for them, I suppose. It's just that they're not applicable to the JFK assassination.

Paul.

Edited January 10, 2013 by Paul Baker

[Paul Baker]

And it has a chicken shop too!.

Eh?

Edited January 10, 2013 by Paul Baker

[Ray Mitcham]

And it has a chicken shop too!.

[Ian Kingsbury]

Oh!.The diversity of humour .

Paul

Sorry you did not get it . I often wonder if logic and laughter co-exist in the psyche.

Ian

[Cliff Varnell]

That's right. In the JFK case there are no absolutes. Unless, that is, one is needed to nail Oswald to the wall. And if the necessary absolute doesn't work just keep changing it until you get one that does. As in the case of William Whaley.

The absolute concerning the time of the bus that Helen Markham got to work every day, in the world that you and David Von Pein inhabit, doesn't exist.

In Bakerville, Helen Markham left her home that afternoon at her REGULAR time to catch her REGULAR bus that you would have us believe had already left.

Similar to William Whaley's manifest stating in black and white that he dropped Oswald off BEFORE he picked him up.

So the congratulations are all yours.

Congratulations on believing, and supporting, the biggest pile of BS ever committed to paper.

Yes Lee, I live in a fantasy world called Bakerville, where all the hard physical evidence

They wear clothes in Bakerville?

The clothing evidence proves at least two shooters fired at Kennedy.

LNers and High-Back-Wound "CTs" are in complete denial on this issue.

[Craig Lamson]

That's right. In the JFK case there are no absolutes. Unless, that is, one is needed to nail Oswald to the wall. And if the necessary absolute doesn't work just keep changing it until you get one that does. As in the case of William Whaley.

The absolute concerning the time of the bus that Helen Markham got to work every day, in the world that you and David Von Pein inhabit, doesn't exist.

In Bakerville, Helen Markham left her home that afternoon at her REGULAR time to catch her REGULAR bus that you would have us believe had already left.

Similar to William Whaley's manifest stating in black and white that he dropped Oswald off BEFORE he picked him up.

So the congratulations are all yours.

Congratulations on believing, and supporting, the biggest pile of BS ever committed to paper.

Yes Lee, I live in a fantasy world called Bakerville, where all the hard physical evidence

They wear clothes in Bakerville?

The clothing evidence proves at least two shooters fired at Kennedy.

LNers and High-Back-Wound "CTs" are in complete denial on this issue.

LOL! You don't understand the clothing evidence varnell. You can't even understand how the SUN works. What a weak stick....

[Martin White]

I will refrain from the name calling and insults.

Admittedly I do not have the depth of knowledge as most of you (on both sides) but it seems to me that for each piece of evidence implicating Oswald, there are two (or more) alternative explanations or contradictory evidence which point in the other direction. When you look at ALL of the available evidence, the Warren Commission version seems one of the least likely of all scenarios.

To say that "all the hard evidence" supports the WC version seems to me to be an exaggeration. Lets face it, even the Warren Commission legal staffers wanted to discount Helen Markham's testimony but were told by Rankin that "the Commission wants to believe Mrs Markham, and that's all there is to it." (Epstein, Inquest)

[Martin White]

If Oswald never existed, who would you suspect?

If Oswald had never existed, JFK doesn't get shot at all.

Duh.

How do you explain the Chicago plot then with its uncanny similarities to Dallas?

[Martin White]

Cliff and Craig have mentioned the clothing evidence which I know they have "discussed" extensively before.

Again, if I try to look objectively at this, it would seem, on the whole, that the photographic record shows that JFKs jacket was not lying flat, which would explain wounds not lining up with the holes in the clothing. In other words, I can see that the hole in the jacket might not necessarily line up with the wound.

So a hole in the jacket at 5 3/4" from the shoulder might not necessarily equate to a wound at 5 3/4" from the shoulder.

The problem is, that's exactly where the autopsy sheet and Berkeley's death certificate put the wounds. So we are left, again, with a seemingly intractable problem. The holes in the clothing shouldn't line up with the wounds but they do.

[Christopher Hall]

^{I couldn't imagine wanting to watch a movie based on a book by Bill O'Reilly.}

^{I think I read Jim's review of it, which is as far as I care to go with this topic.}

^{Next up, Oprah's epistle on the JFK assassination.}

[Cliff Varnell]

Cliff and Craig have mentioned the clothing evidence which I know they have "discussed" extensively before.

Again, if I try to look objectively at this, it would seem, on the whole, that the photographic record shows that JFKs jacket was not lying flat, which would explain wounds not lining up with the holes in the clothing.

Correct. The jacket was not laying perfectly flat. The hole in the jacket is 4.125" below the bottom of the collar.

The hole in the shirt is 4"-even below the bottom of the collar.

The jacket was bunched up 1/8 of an inch.

The shirt wasn't bunched up at all. When Martin White (or Paul Baker or anyone with a shirt on) lifts his arm to wave a la JFK it causes the shirt fabric to indent.

In other words, I can see that the hole in the jacket might not necessarily line up with the wound.

Non sequitur. The "high back wound" requires multiple inches of both shirt and jacket movement

The burden of proof is on Martin White et al to demonstrate this event.

But none of these folks ever do.

Never. Ever.

So a hole in the jacket at 5 3/4" from the shoulder might not necessarily equate to a wound at 5 3/4" from the shoulder.

The problem is, that's exactly where the autopsy sheet and Berkeley's death certificate put the wounds. So we are left, again, with a seemingly intractable problem.

The only problem is your inability to back up your characterization of the clothing evidence, Martin.

Show us how you bunch up multiple inches of tucked-in custom-made dress shirt and a near-equal amount of tailored suit jacket.

Show us. For once, just once, will you people show us what you are claiming?

Of course not...It isn't possible. But please proceed with the contentless claims, Martin...

The holes in the clothing shouldn't line up with the wounds but they do.

You don't appear particularly aware of what clothing "should do," frankly. Please produce a little demonstration of this clothing movement you posit? Tucked-in custom-made dress shirt, please.

Show us the multiple inch upward displacement by waving your arm.

Until you or Craig or Paul or David Von P produce this replication, your claims are less than worthless.

Edited January 10, 2013 by Cliff Varnell