New Proof of JFK Film Fakery: "Conclusive Evidence", Experts Claim

[Robin Unger]

FAKE FAKE FAKE

EVERYTHING IS FAKE

That's just a cop out, so you don't have to produce the photographic evidence

to back up your OUTLANDISH claims

[Anthony DeFiore]

Dr. Fetzer, don't bite for their nonsense. You're a standard to go by in the JFK assassination research world..like Harold Weisberg, Jack White, Mark lane, Cyril Wecht, Robert Groden, etc. no need to answer the nonsensical. Your bona fides are more than solid, and after this year, you will be a standard bearer for the next generation of researchers.

[John Dolva]

Balderdash

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

Thank you, Anthony. I think it's a safe bet that Robin Unger and the other shills will no longer

be taken seriously after this exchange. Here is a copy of The News-Palladium in which the

date, "November 22, 1963", can easily be seen. Benton Harbor is a small town of 10,000 or

less, which makes the idea it would publish TWO EXTRAS about the assassination absurd.

To me, it is embarrassing when so many attempt so hard to refute clear and convincing proof

that the CIA has been manipulating evidence, even to the point of creating fake newspapers.

The Altgens6, by the way, does not even appear in The New York Times, November 23, 1963!

That Robin Unger has so many at his fingertips is fascinating to me--and worth contemplation.

Unger, Lamson, Colby, Graves--and now Dolva!--appear impervious to logic and evidence in

another stunning display of reckless disregard for reason, which requires some explanation.

How much more proof would we need to know that the Zapruder film has been fabricated and

that Altgens7 is a fake? No wonder the JFK research community becomes bogged down when

this degree of irrationality of belief is displayed by so many members. There has to be a reason.

Edited February 25, 2013 by James H. Fetzer

[Pamela Brown]

The Altgens 1-6 and 1-7 were uploaded to the newswires soon after the assassination. There are differences with many of the newspaper copies as a result.

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

Pamela,

You aren't even cognizant with the contents of the posts on this thread. Altgens7

is a fake and Altgens6 was massively edited before it went out, which was not on

the 22nd but on the 23rd. Roy Schaeffer, who has a background in photography

and was working for a Dayton newspaper at the time, took it off the photo-fax on

Saturday and noticed already that it had been altered in the area of the doorway.

Here are some other articles that discuss the Altgens6:

“JFK believe it or not: Oswald wasn’t even a shooter!”

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/14/jfk-believe-it-or-not-oswald-wasnt-even-a-shooter/

"JFK: An Open Letter to Robert F. Kennedy, Jr."

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/01/18/jfk-an-open-letter-to-robert-f-kennedy-jr/

"JFK Part 1: A National Security Event - Oswald didn't do it"

“JFK Part 2: A National Security Event – How it was done”

Edited February 25, 2013 by James H. Fetzer

[Robin Unger]

Quote:

Here is a copy of The News-Palladium in which the

date, "November 22, 1963", can easily be seen. Benton Harbor is a small town of 10,000 or

less, which makes the idea it would publish TWO EXTRAS about the assassination absurd.

You only posted one readable copy of the news Palladium for the 22/11/63

Where is the other one ?

If you can't produce a readable copy of it you have nothing

[Robin Unger]

To show that i am an honest broker

This version of Altgen's 6 was printed on Saturday 23/11/63

and it OBVIOUSLY has been re-touched

But, this wasn't the same day as the assassination, it was MANY hours after

[Robin Unger]

FWIW

Bell Frame from " Oswald's Ghost " showing what appears to be Clint Hill STANDING on the back of the Limo as it approaches the LIGHT POLE?

At this point Jackie appears to be seated.

Similar Timeline as the limo approaches the light pole

Clint Hill said that he turned around and gave the " thumbs down " to the Secret Service follow up car

this frame appears to show Clint looking back at the follow up car.

As the shadow of the overpass approaches, still no sign of Chaney ?

Edited February 26, 2013 by Robin Unger

[Robin Unger]

Similar Timeline

Wiegman composite

Click on image to view FULL SIZE

[Robin Unger]

Motorcycle positions.

[Robin Unger]

Nix frame

Is Clint Hill TOUCHING / PUSHING jackie ?

Click on image to view full size:

4-Frame Nix GIF

Edited February 26, 2013 by Robin Unger

[Len Colby]

FAKE FAKE FAKE

EVERYTHING IS FAKE

That's just a cop out, so you don't have to produce the photographic evidence

to back up your OUTLANDISH claims

How do we know the person who posts as Fetzer here isn't a fake?

[Len Colby]

Quote:

Here is a copy of The News-Palladium in which the

date, "November 22, 1963", can easily be seen. Benton Harbor is a small town of 10,000 or

less, which makes the idea it would publish TWO EXTRAS about the assassination absurd.

You only posted one readable copy of the news Palladium for the 22/11/63

Where is the other one ?

If you can't produce a readable copy of it you have nothing

We also need sources for the supposed front pages, anyone could have Photoshopped the original and posted it on the Net. Amazing that the CIA/MIBN/FoD etc would have bothered to have faked such a smalltown paper.

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

No, that was the whole point. They couldn't fake major newspapers

because it would have been OBVIOUS. Everyone would have noticed.

In fact, that the Altgens6 does not appear in The New York Times in its

23 November 1963 edition is further proof that it was not available yet.

Notice that for all his efforts, Robin Unger has NEVER ADDRESSED THE

BASIC EVIDENCE, namely, the consistent reports from multiple witnesses:

* James Chaney (motorcycle patrolman on right rear of the Presidential limousine): “I went ahead of the President’s car to inform Chief Curry that the President had been hit. And then he instructed us over the air to take him to Parkland Hospital and that Parkland was standing by.”

* Bobby Hargis (motorcycle patrolman on left rear of the Presidential limousine): “The motorcycle officer on the right side of the car was Jim Chaney. He immediately went forward and announced to the Chief that the President had been shot.”

* Winston Lawson (Secret Service Agent in the lead car in front of the Presidential limousine): “A motorcycle escort officer pulled along side our Lead Car and said the President had been shot. Chief Curry gave a signal over the radio for police to converge on the area of the incident.”

* Forrest Sorrels (Secret Service Agent in the lead car in front of the Presidential limousine): “A motorcycle patrolman pulled up alongside of the car and Chief Curry yelled, ‘Is anybody hurt?’, to which the officer responded in the affirmative.”

* Chief Jesse Curry (in the lead car in front of the Presidential limousine): “. . . about this time a motorcycle officer, I believe it was Officer Chaney, rode up beside us and I asked if something happened back there and he said, ‘Yes,’ and I said ‘Has somebody been shot?” And he said, ‘I think so.’”

There are multiple sources for their testimony, which is corroborated by that

of others, including Marrion Baker, a Dallas Police Officer, who immediately

thereafter entered the Book Depository and confronted Lee Oswald in the

lunchroom and reported looking back and seeing Chaney motor forward:

Edited February 26, 2013 by James H. Fetzer