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The strongest argument that has been advanced against the Altgens6 having been altered has been that it went out over the wire within 30 minutes or so, which would not have allowed enough time for that to have happened. Anyone who studies the doorway images, however, can see that, not only has that face been obfuscated, but the man in the doorway is missing his left shoulder and the man behind him, who is wearing a black tie, is simultaneous both IN FRONT OF and BEHIND HIM at the same time, as we have emphasized in most of our studies. When the evidence of alteration is as blatant as this–where these features are not even anatomically or photographically possible–how could anyone have doubts about whether or not the photo had been altered? Since the photo was altered, there had to have been time to have altered it.

Indeed, one of our senior members, Roy Schaeffer, was working as a photo processor at the Dayton Daily News when he personally received the Altgens6 photo-fax. Immediately, he could see signs of alteration, such as “masking” and “opaquing.” In an earlier study, I observed that the 22 November 1963 issue of The Sheboygan Times includes a photo of the Altgens, which struck me as having to be the outcome of a CIA substitution, which I mentioned at the time. Now Ralph has confirmed that that was indeed the case, where the real issue and the substitute issue have both been revealed. Here is the late edition of the Benton Harbor, MI, News-Palladium for 22 November 1963: the one on the left is real, the one on the right is not–but was fabricated to make it look as if Altgens6 was published that day:

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I observed that the 22 November 1963 issue of The Sheboygan Times includes a photo of the Altgens, which struck me as having to be the outcome of a CIA substitution, which I mentioned at the time. Now Ralph has confirmed that that was indeed the case,

Hell If you have to rely on Cinque to confirm your suspicions, you really must be desperate.

Jesus what a joke

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Does Robin Unger believe that posting multiple versions of FAKE PHOTOGRAPHS makes them GENUINE? Everyone has to ask themselves how this guy could have such a vast repository of simulated editions of obscure newspapers for 22 November 1963!

Part of the power of Costella’s new findings is that they can be appraised by anyone with access to the film, which is archived at the same site, and his collation of reports at Assassination Research 5/1 (2007), assassinationresearch/v5n1/v5n1costella.pdf . As illustrations of what he has uncovered, here are some of the reports from the officials who were involved:

* James Chaney (motorcycle patrolman on right rear of the Presidential limousine): “I went ahead of the President’s car to inform Chief Curry that the President had been hit. And then he instructed us over the air to take him to Parkland Hospital and that Parkland was standing by.”

* Bobby Hargis (motorcycle patrolman on left rear of the Presidential limousine): “The motorcycle officer on the right side of the car was Jim Chaney. He immediately went forward and announced to the Chief that the President had been shot.”

* Winston Lawson (Secret Service Agent in the lead car in front of the Presidential limousine): “A motorcycle escort officer pulled along side our Lead Car and said the President had been shot. Chief Curry gave a signal over the radio for police to converge on the area of the incident.”

* Forrest Sorrels (Secret Service Agent in the lead car in front of the Presidential limousine): “A motorcycle patrolman pulled up alongside of the car and Chief Curry yelled, ‘Is anybody hurt?’, to which the officer responded in the affirmative.”

* Chief Jesse Curry (in the lead car in front of the Presidential limousine): “. . . about this time a motorcycle officer, I believe it was Officer Chaney, rode up beside us and I asked if something happened back there and he said, ‘Yes,’ and I said ‘Has somebody been shot?” And he said, ‘I think so.’”

There are multiple sources for their testimony, which is corroborated by that of others, including, for example, Marrion Baker, a Dallas Police Officer, who immediately thereafter entered the Book Depository and confronted Lee Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom. Costella’s study provides additional citations.

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  • YES, RALPH CINQUE CONFIRMED IT BY PRODUCING BOTH THE REAL AND THE FAKED ISSUE OF THIS NEWSPAPER. HOW DUMB ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE? WHAT'S THE SCORE WITH ROBIN UNGER? THIS IS NO JOKE. ASK YOURSELF WHAT'S GOING ON.
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I observed that the 22 November 1963 issue of The Sheboygan Times includes a photo of the Altgens, which struck me as having to be the outcome of a CIA substitution, which I mentioned at the time. Now Ralph has confirmed that that was indeed the case,

Hell If you have to rely on Cinque to confirm your suspicions, you really must be desperate.

Jesus what a joke

HERE'S THE REST OF THE QUOTE. HOW MUCH MORE MISLEADING AND DECEPTIVE CAN YOU GET?

Now Ralph has confirmed that that was indeed the case, where the real issue and the substitute issue have both been revealed. Here is the late edition of the Benton Harbor, MI, News-Palladium for 22 November 1963: the one on the left is real, the one on the right is not–but was fabricated to make it look as if Altgens6 was published that day: [sEE ABOVE]

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Looks like the Cinqueopation is starting to play again.

Yes, Ray. Unfortunately it's Festering, like a dead, stinking horse that's been lying in the sun for a long, long time and is still being beaten.

Personally, I'm convinced that there must have been a conspiracy. I've somehow arrived at that conclusion without wasting my time pondering silly questions like "How many angels can dance on the head of a needle?" or by entertaining paranoid pronouncements like "All of the films and photos were faked, I tell you, faked, and if you don't believe me and you have the gall to speak out against me, then you must be a conspirator!"

--Tommy :sun

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It is rather easy to catch Jim Fetzer doing his slight of hand now, using his own citations on this page 3. He tells us that Clint said:

"24:30: "As I approached the vehicle there was a third shot. It hit the President in the head, upper right rear of the right ear, caused a gaping hole in his head, which caused brain matter, blood, and bone fragments to spew forth out over the car, over myself."

Then he tells us elsewhere that this huge hole is on the lower right side of JFK's head and it has been painted over in the Zapruder Film. And his own first hand witness mentions only upper right rear area. The autopsy x-rays show a huge bone flap in that area, and that is consistent with what Clint recounts.

Also, the close up work of Bob Harris on the Z-film also shows this area of JFK's head is blown off all along the top of his skull. Jim Fetzer can't even detect that JFK's head was hit by two bullets at very close to the same time. One from the rear that popped off the temple bone and one from the right side limo area that make the huge defect and scalp tears that Bob Harris video work so well presents. This last shot made the large area skull flap break loose, and Jackie packed it back down in her shock. Jackie jumps up just after the second shot rips off the top of JFK's skull and spatters matter rearward. So, it is all consistent with the Z-film and what Clint recounts.

Such poor quality analysis and not being able to recount what people saw and said accurately, has away be Jim Fetzer's undoing and why his words come back to show he can't do accurate forensic presentation or reconstructions. imho Fetzer gets caught changing and twisting witnesses words and it shows up here well.

Bob Harris's Z-film video analysis also shows what he terms a blob of hair puffed up on the back of JFK's head due to the last shot filling the area between the scalp and skull with brain and bone matter and this Blog effect sets up shading from the Sun or light, and this simple effect is what the Fetzer gang attempt to tell everyone is a paint job on the Zapruder Film.

Here we see his utter nonsense exposed easily. imho

Now we all must endure another round of Fetzer's name calling and he'll start calling Bob Harris names now for doing good video work that shoots down Fetzer's fantasy forensic analysis. Seems the whole world revolves around only his vapor analysis that here were easily exposed.

Hence, most serious researchers don't place any real stock in Jim Fetzer's views, because he changes what people said, twisting them for fit his fantasy theme and sensation type fiction writing. imho

Anyone that breaks into the rants that Fetzer does is quickly discounted as only someone seeking attention, who can't deal with folks that have shown all the holes in his claims.

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Unger, Lamson, Cobly, Graves have been caught with their pants down. It's no surprise that they would revert to ad hominems. None of them has done anything to refute the evidence that I have published about Officer Chaney motoring forward. NOTHING!

Does Robin Unger believe that posting multiple versions of FAKE PHOTOGRAPHS makes them GENUINE? Everyone has to ask themselves how this guy could have such a vast repository of simulated editions of obscure newspapers for 22 November 1963!

Part of the power of Costella’s new findings is that they can be appraised by anyone with access to the film, which is archived at the same site, and his collation of reports at Assassination Research 5/1 (2007), assassinationresearch/v5n1/v5n1costella.pdf. As illustrations of what he has uncovered, here are some of the reports from the officials who were involved:

* James Chaney (motorcycle patrolman on right rear of the Presidential limousine): “I went ahead of the President’s car to inform Chief Curry that the President had been hit. And then he instructed us over the air to take him to Parkland Hospital and that Parkland was standing by.”

* Bobby Hargis (motorcycle patrolman on left rear of the Presidential limousine): “The motorcycle officer on the right side of the car was Jim Chaney. He immediately went forward and announced to the Chief that the President had been shot.”

* Winston Lawson (Secret Service Agent in the lead car in front of the Presidential limousine): “A motorcycle escort officer pulled along side our Lead Car and said the President had been shot. Chief Curry gave a signal over the radio for police to converge on the area of the incident.”

* Forrest Sorrels (Secret Service Agent in the lead car in front of the Presidential limousine): “A motorcycle patrolman pulled up alongside of the car and Chief Curry yelled, ‘Is anybody hurt?’, to which the officer responded in the affirmative.”

* Chief Jesse Curry (in the lead car in front of the Presidential limousine): “. . . about this time a motorcycle officer, I believe it was Officer Chaney, rode up beside us and I asked if something happened back there and he said, ‘Yes,’ and I said ‘Has somebody been shot?” And he said, ‘I think so.’”

There are multiple sources for their testimony, which is corroborated by that of others, including, for example, Marrion Baker, a Dallas Police Officer, who immediately thereafter entered the Book Depository and confronted Lee Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom. Costella’s study provides additional citations.

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What Robin Unger is proving is that the CIA made a lot of fake issues of newspapers

for occasions such as this one. The evidence I have adduced PROVES that they are

fabricated photos. No matter how many fakes the produced, that cannot make fake

photos genuine. And we know they are fake from the evidence that I've presented.

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What Robin Unger is proving is that the CIA made a lot of fake issues of newspapers

for occasions such as this one. The evidence I have adduced PROVES that they are

fabricated photos. No matter how many fakes the produced, that cannot make fake

photos genuine. And we know they are fake from the evidence that I've presented.

Do you REALLY believe the crap you post? I mean really?

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Looks like the Cinqueopation is starting to play again.

Yes, Ray. Unfortunately it's Festering, like a dead, stinking horse that's been lying in the sun for a long, long time and is still being beaten.

Personally, I'm convinced that there must have been a conspiracy. I've somehow arrived at that conclusion without wasting my time pondering silly questions like "How many angels can dance on the head of a needle?" or by entertaining paranoid pronouncements like "All of the films and photos were faked, I tell you, faked, and if you have the gall to speak out against me, then you must be a conspirator!"

--Tommy :sun

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