"Enemy of the Truth" by Sherry P. Fiester [a review]

[Robin Unger]

Limo SLOW DOWN as seen in NIX

Credit: Rick Needham ( Frames rotated and GIF Stabilized )

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Edited January 30, 2014 by Robin Unger

[Robin Unger]

[Robert Prudhomme]

Robin, at what point did Chaney race ahead of the limousine, and tell Curry in the lead car that JFK had been shot?

Edited January 31, 2014 by Robert Prudhomme

[Calli Robertson]

He didn't race ahead of the limo before the underpass, that's for sure. Chaney stopped with Jackson and Hargis, as seen in the Nix film. He's probably one of the bikes we can see trailing the cars in the Daniels clip. The motorcade then stopped at the Stemmons on-ramp, as witnessed by DPD's Earl Brown stationed on the Stemmons rail bridge.... communications between the lead car/ Chaney more than likely took place there.

[Daniel Gallup]

He didn't race ahead of the limo before the underpass, that's for sure. Chaney stopped with Jackson and Hargis, as seen in the Nix film. He's probably one of the bikes we can see trailing the cars in the Daniels clip. The motorcade then stopped at the Stemmons on-ramp, as witnessed by DPD's Earl Brown stationed on the Stemmons rail bridge.... communications between the lead car/ Chaney more than likely took place there.

Calli, the limo stop is specifically mentioned, not the "motorcade stop" by a number of police officer and bystanders who were in a position to see. Robin Unger, the Nix film itself is not beyond suspicion, and your parading it out as if it settles the matter is an utter waste of time. The issue is and always will be "fraud in the evidence."

[Robert Prudhomme]

Hi Calli

Here is an interview with James Chaney, in which he says he not only went ahead of the limo and informed Curry in the lead car of JFK being shot, he also claims to have looked back over his left shoulder at the time of the first shot and the second shot, and claims to have seen JFK struck by the second shot.

Of course, neither the Nix or Zapruder film show Chaney either in a position to look back over his left shoulder at JFK at the time of the 1st or 2nd shots, nor do they show Chaney passing the limo to catch up with the lead car.

However, the Altgens photo most definitely shows Chaney far enough ahead on the right side of the limo for him to be able to look back over his left shoulder at JFK, which he is doing in the Altgens photo.

Small wonder James Chaney, one of the closest witnesses to the assassination, was never called to testify to the Warren Commission.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0gcAQNunbM

Edited January 31, 2014 by Robert Prudhomme

[Robert Prudhomme]

Is James Chaney just another xxxx in a whole Plaza full of liars that day? Can anyone seriously look at Altgens 6 and try to tell me Chaney is not looking over his left shoulder at JFK?

Why is Chaney not seen beside the limo in the Zapruder film?

[Robin Unger]

Robin, at what point did Chaney race ahead of the limousine, and tell Curry in the lead car that JFK had been shot?

Previous discussion.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19952&hl=chaney&page=2

[Robert Prudhomme]

What do you make of Chaney saying he looked back over his left shoulder at JFK when the first shot was heard and again when the second shot was heard, claiming to see JFK hit by the second shot? I don't see him in the Zapruder film in this position but he certainly seems to be looking back over his left shoulder at JFK in Altgens 6.

[Robin Unger]

Re: Altgens 6

Chaney is out of the field of view in Z-255

[Robin Unger]

As for Chaney motoring forward.

In Altgens 7 as the lead car reaches the underpass shadow area, we don't see Chaney motoring forward trying to catch up with it.

[Robin Unger]

Chaney finally makes an appearance, WAY BACK UNDERNEATH THE OVERPASS.

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Edited January 31, 2014 by Robin Unger

[Robin Unger]

Bell shows only officer Martin.

because as we see from Mc Intire Chaney is still playing catch up.

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Edited January 31, 2014 by Robin Unger

[Robin Unger]

He didn't race ahead of the limo before the underpass, that's for sure. Chaney stopped with Jackson and Hargis, as seen in the Nix film. He's probably one of the bikes we can see trailing the cars in the Daniels clip. The motorcade then stopped at the Stemmons on-ramp, as witnessed by DPD's Earl Brown stationed on the Stemmons rail bridge.... communications between the lead car/ Chaney more than likely took place there.

Calli, the limo stop is specifically mentioned, not the "motorcade stop" by a number of police officer and bystanders who were in a position to see. Robin Unger, the Nix film itself is not beyond suspicion, and your parading it out as if it settles the matter is an utter waste of time. The issue is and always will be "fraud in the evidence."

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Robin Unger, the Nix film itself is not beyond suspicion, and your parading it out as if it settles the matter is an utter waste of time.

SHOW ME WHERE I STATED, OR INSINUATED, THAT THE NIX FILM SETTLED THE MATTER

[Pat Speer]

Here's what James Chaney actually said. Note that he said he was riding on the right fender of the limo and was looking to his left at Kennedy at the moment of the head shot. This is exactly what is shown in the films. Note also that he admits stopping in Dealey Plaza.

James Chaney rode to the right and rear of the President. Although he was the closest witness behind the President at the time of the shooting and had a private conversation with Jack Ruby the next day, Chaney was never questioned by the Warren Commission. (11-22-63 interview with KLIF radio, reportedly around 12:45 PM--but not broadcast at that time--as transcribed by Harold Weisberg from the KLIF album The Fateful Hours) "On the first shot we thought it was a motorcycle backfire. I looked to my left and so did President Kennedy, looking back over his left shoulder, and when the second shot struck him in the face then we knew someone was shooting at the President." (When asked what happened after the President was hit) "He slumped forward in the car. He fell forward in the seat there." (When asked Mrs. Kennedy's reaction) "I don't know. When I seen that he was hit I went on up to tell Chief Curry's group there that he had been hit there, and we took him on to the hospital from there." (When then asked if he saw where the bullet had come from) "No, all I knew it came over my right shoulder."(Note: some sources have it that Chaney mentioned “a third shot that was fired that (he) did not see hit the President” and that he did see “Governor Connally’s shirt erupt in blood..” in one of his first interviews, but I can not find a primary source for these quotes.) (11-22-63 interview with Bill Lord on WFAA television, apparently in the early evening) “I was riding on the right rear fender... We had proceeded west on Elm Street at approximately 15-20 miles per hour. We heard the first shot. I thought it was a motorcycle backfiring and uh I looked back over to my left and also President Kennedy looked back over his left shoulder. Then, the, uh, second shot came, well, then I looked back just in time to see the President struck in the face by the second bullet. He slumped forward into Mrs. Kennedy’s lap, and uh, it was apparent to me that we were being fired upon. I went ahead of the President’s car to inform Chief Curry that the President had been hit. And then he instructed us over the air to take him to Parkland Hospital and he had Parkland Hospital stand by. I went on up ahead of the, to notify the officers that were leading the escort that he had been hit and we're gonna have to move out." (When asked if he saw the person who fired on the President) "No sir, it was back over my right shoulder.” (11-24-63 article in the Houston Chronicle, posted online by Chris Davidson) "A motorcycle policeman just six feet from President Kennedy when he was hit said the assassin's first shot missed entirely. The second of the three shots felled Kennedy, said patrolman James M. Chaney. He was six feet to the right and front of the President's car, moving about 15 miles an hour while rounding a curve. The shot, said Chaney, came from the sixth floor of a warehouse building about 50 feet or less behind the President's car. From the sixth floor to the President, the bullet traveled about 110 feet, Chaney estimated. Chaney was an infantryman in Europe during World War II, with experience in sharpshooting. 'When the first shot was fired, I thought it was a backfire,' Chaney said. Everyone looked around. The President was looking back over his left shoulder. A second or two after the first shot, the second shot hit him. 'It was like you hit him in the face with a tomato. Blood went all over the car. There was screaming and yelling. A secret service man yelled 'Let's get out of here!'' Chaney said the motorcade stopped momentarily after the shots rang out. A policeman ran between two cars with his pistol drawn, heading toward the building. 'I sped to the lead car carrying Chief (Jesse) Curry and Forrest Sorrels, chief of the secret service division of the Treasury Department in the Dallas area. I told them the President had been hit and it appeared bad,' Chaney said. 'A piece of his skull was lying on the floor of the car,' Chaney said." (Article in the 12-2-63 issue of Newsweek, presumed to be based on an 11-22-63 interview of Chaney, by motorcade witness Charles Roberts) (On the first shot) "'I thought it was a backfire,' said Dallas Patrolman James M. Chaney, who was riding a motorcycle 6 feet from the right rear fender of the President's car." The President jerked his head around...Then (came) the second shot and his head exploded in blood..." (12-8-63 AP article by Sid Moody) "His head erupted in blood" said Dallas patrolman James Chaney, who was 6 feet away from the president." (The Torch is Passed, a book by the Associated Press put out in December 63) "'His head exploded in blood,' motorcycle officer James Chaney later would say."

(3-25-64 testimony of Marrion Baker before the Warren Commission, 3H242-270) “I talked to Jim Chaney, and he made the statement that the two shots hit Kennedy first and then the other one hit the Governor.” (Taped interview of Chaney with researcher Gil Toft, 1971-1973, as transcribed by Josiah Thompson and posted on the Education Forum, 1-4-12) (When asked if Kennedy's limousine came to a stop during the shooting) "I don’t know whether the lead car ever stopped or not. I know that... I mean Kennedy’s car. The one behind them apparently did because an officer could run from the left hand side in front of me. I know I stopped. Whatever happened there. I know Hargis, one of the officers riding escort on the other side, run across in front of me...Whether or not the lead car stopped... I don’t believe that it did. It slowed down though. What was this agent’s name? Clint Hill?" (Continuing his thought) "Slowed down enough that he did get on that car. Now whether he was on there or not on... Several different times during the procession there he would run up and jump on those little steps and ride there for a couple of seconds and jump off. It all depended on how fast it was going along and where we were at. So whether... I don’t believe that it actually stopped. It could have but I just don’t... The second car... cause I recall it was Officer Hargis jumped off his motor and run across in front of me... I don’t recall myself stopping but as I stopped--to think of it I must have come almost to a stop for Hargis to have got off his motor over on the left-hand side and run between those two cars and run in front of me. Apparently, I did too. I don’t recall stopping but I must have." (When asked if Kennedy's brain matter sprayed everywhere) "Well, it was all over with as soon as you see it. It did splatter everything."

(9-12-75 FBI report) “Chaney stated that as the President’s car passed the…(TSBD), he was four to six feet from the President’s right shoulder. He heard three evenly spaced noises coming seconds apart, which at first he thought to be motorcycle backfire. Upon hearing the second noise, he was sure it was not a motorcycle backfire. When he heard the third noise he saw the President’s head “explode” and realized the noises were gunshots. He said that the shots did not come from his immediate vicinity and is positive that all the shots came from behind him.” (9-17-75 FBI report, FBI file 62-109060, sec 181, p168-170) “after making a left turn off Houston Street and shortly after the car had passed the School Book Depository, Chaney heard a noise which sounded like one of the motorcycles close to the President’s car had backfired…Chaney said he glanced to his left at the two motorcycles on the opposite side of the President’s car…Within a few seconds after Chaney heard the first noise, he heard a noise again and turned to his right to try and determine what the noise was and where it was coming from…Chaney said he then looked straight ahead to avoid colliding with the curb and presidential car and then looked at the President just as he heard a third noise. Chaney said while he was looking at President Kennedy, he saw his head “explode.” Chaney said he was positive that all the noises he heard were coming from behind his motorcycle and none of these noises came from the side or the front of the position in which Chaney was located. Chaney said the noises were evenly spaced.”