New document Oswald on SS Maasdam

[Perry Vermeulen]

Got an email from a Dutchman who has this in his posession:

http://www.perryvermeulen.nl/oswaldmaasdam.jpg

Never saw this document before.

He is asking me: what will this document be worth? I have no idea...

Has anyone ever seen this piece of paper? Dated June 4, the day he left my country aboard the SS Maasdam, for his trip back to the US.

Perry Vermeulen

The Netherlands

http://threeshotswerefired.com/

Edited December 11, 2013 by Perry Vermeulen

[John Dolva]

The startup fee for a questioned document analysis is maybe 1000. Someone somewhere along the line would have to make that part of the price. Absent that, not much. ?

[Robert Howard]

Commission Document 87 - Secret Service report of 08 Jan 1964 re: Oswald pg 1102
Found in: Warren Commission Documents
until May 1962 when they appeared in Moscow on their way to the United States On June 4 1962 they boarded the SS *madam in Rotterdam Holland They arrived in lbw York on June 13 1962 .ATTAC NTH (For
(UNDATED)

Commission Document 1554 - FBI Letter from Director of 14 Oct 1964 with Attached List of Exhibits pg 41
Found in: Warren Commission Documents
handwriting numbered 1 11 on Holland-America Line stationery Sheets of blue ink handwriting Holland-America Line stationery numbered IA through 4A Sheets of blue ink handwriting on Holland-America
(UNDATED)

Perry: One thing about the document that is certainly eyeopening is the "PLACE" designation Maanila. As a courtesy

I checked various details about the document, to see if it was in the Archives, [at least at maryferrell.org]

using search items such as "No. 13982," WB/EB Ticket No." et cetera but no luck. Pretty interesting piece of paper....

Edited December 11, 2013 by Robert Howard

[Perry Vermeulen]

Yeah, pretty interesting, that was my idea!

I don't think it says 'MAANILA' - I think it says MAASDAM, the name of the ship.

Did a lot of investigation on this trip aboard the Maasdam, I have written it all down on this page: http://threeshotswerefired.com/?p=1177

But never before did I see this document! Its in the hands of a fellow Dutchman, I'm going to try to get it in my position

Thanks both for the comments!

[Thomas Graves]

Commission Document 87 - Secret Service report of 08 Jan 1964 re: Oswald pg 1102

Found in: Warren Commission Documents

until May 1962 when they appeared in Moscow on their way to the United States On June 4 1962 they boarded the SS *madam in Rotterdam Holland They arrived in lbw York on June 13 1962 .ATTAC NTH (For

(UNDATED)

Commission Document 1554 - FBI Letter from Director of 14 Oct 1964 with Attached List of Exhibits pg 41

Found in: Warren Commission Documents

handwriting numbered 1 11 on Holland-America Line stationery Sheets of blue ink handwriting Holland-America Line stationery numbered IA through 4A Sheets of blue ink handwriting on Holland-America

(UNDATED)

Perry: One thing about the document that is certainly eyeopening is the "PLACE" designation Maanila. As a courtesy

I checked various details about the document, to see if it was in the Archives, [at least at maryferrell.org]

using search items such as "No. 13982," WB/EB Ticket No." et cetera but no luck. Pretty interesting piece of paper....

Robert,

Thanks for posting this.

I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but in the interest of accuracy I thought I'd point out that the first document (link) you posted says SS Maasdam, not "SS *madam." (Also, you've got a typo in "lbw York.")

But keep up the good work. You're one of the best researchers we've got!

Sincerely,

--Tommy

Edited December 12, 2013 by Thomas Graves

[Robert Howard]

Well, one at a time.

To Perry, After reading your comments I tend to agree the Place is Maasdam, not Manila, although the gentleman

who wrote that makes his "S's" like "N's."

To Tommy, yes those are definitely grammatical error's, but what happens is I copy and paste a search result from

maryferrell.org, which, in this case, automatically contains deviations from the text, 99% of the time, I will correct

the error, but didn't in this case.....No offense taken.

One final note about ships, that I wanted to bounce off Perry. I am sure you are familiar with Horace Twiford

the member of the Socialist Labor Party whose wife at least, was contacted by Lee Oswald to be followed

by a visit from the FBI.

The Warren Commission would write...Horace Elroy Twiford, a member of the Socialist Labor Party who had received Oswald's name from the party's headquarters in New York and sent him a copy of its official publication, the "Weekly People." Mrs. Twiford, who answered the telephone, believes that the call was made locally, before 10 p.m. It may have been made from Beaumont or some other stop on the route; however, in view of the bus schedule, it probably was made in Houston later than Mrs. Twiford remembered. Oswald told Mrs. Twiford that he was a member of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee and that he hoped to see her husband for a few hours that evening before he flew to Mexico. He wanted also to find out how Twiford had obtained his name and address. Mrs. Twiford told Oswald that her husband, a merchant seaman, was at sea but would be happy to see him at some other time; she offered to take a message.....

It turned out that Horace Elroy Twiford was a second mate aboard the SS Del Monte.

HORACE TWIFORD identified as merchant
seaman who left Houston on 10/11/1963 for South
America and will return approximately on 12/14/63.

See

Commission Document 74 - FBI Dalrymple Report of 04 Dec 1963 re: Oswald/Russia
pages 1-8 Horace Twiford, Houston, Texas

Cheers

[Thomas Graves]

[...]

The Warren Commission would write... Horace Elroy Twiford, a member of the Socialist Labor Party who had received Oswald's name from the party's headquarters in New York and sent him a copy of its official publication, the "Weekly People." Mrs. Twiford, who answered the telephone, believes that the call was made locally, before 10 p.m. It may have been made from Beaumont or some other stop on the route; however, in view of the bus schedule, it probably was made in Houston later than Mrs. Twiford remembered. Oswald told Mrs. Twiford that he was a member of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee and that he hoped to see her husband for a few hours that evening before he flew to Mexico. He wanted also to find out how Twiford had obtained his name and address. Mrs. Twiford told Oswald that her husband, a merchant seaman, was at sea but would be happy to see him at some other time; she offered to take a message.....

It turned out that Horace Elroy Twiford was a second mate aboard the SS Del Monte.

HORACE TWIFORD identified as merchant

seaman who left Houston on 10/11/1963 for South

America and will return approximately on 12/14/63.

See

Commission Document 74 - FBI Dalrymple Report of 04 Dec 1963 re: Oswald/Russia

pages 1-8 Horace Twiford, Houston, Texas

Cheers

[emphasis added by T. Graves]

Robert,

I finally found something on Twiford's freighter, the SS Del Monte, on the internet. (From a book by Gordon A. Growden called Freighters and Tankers of the U.S. Merchant Marine)

http://www.armed-guard.com/fat.html

--Tommy

PS I know it's a long shot, but I wonder if there's a connection between Twiford / SS Del Monte and the Rose Cheramie case. Guess not-- It looks like the DM was at or between Tampico, Mexico and Victoria, Brazil from 10/13/63 to 11/28/63.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10476&relPageId=9

It is interesting that the SS Del Monte had accommodations for twelve passengers...

Edited December 13, 2013 by Thomas Graves