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Steven Gaal

9/11 coincidences and oddities page!

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Another silly laundry list.

WHEN YOU DONT HAVE THE FACTS YOU ARGUE SILLY (GAAL)

January 31, 2001 - A Treasury Department memo for Secretary Paul O'Neill contains a summary of a "military plan" for a "post-Saddam Iraq" marked secret.

"UNCLASSIFIED WITH SECRET ATTACHMENTS

DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY

WASHINGTON, D.C. 20220

JAN 31 2001

MEMORANDUM FOR SECRETARY O'NEILL

FROM: Mark Sobel, Acting Assistant Secretary, International Affairs

SUBJECT: Briefing for NSC Principals Meeting on Gulf Policy

DATE AND TIME: 3:00 p.m.-4:30 p.m., Thursday, February 1, 2001

LOCATION: White House Situation Room

PURPOSE: To review the current state-of-play (including a CIA briefing on Iraq) and to examine policy questions on how to proceed.

ATTACHMENTS:

Tab C: Executive Summary: Political-Military Plan for Post-Saddam Iraq Crisis (interagency working paper) -- SECRET" - Memo at Paperless Archives

O'Neill: Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11

"The Bush administration began planning to use U.S. troops to invade Iraq within days after the former Texas governor entered the White House three years ago, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill told CBS News' 60 Minutes.

O'Neill was the main source for "The Price of Loyalty: George W. Bush, the White House, and the Education of Paul O'Neill," by former Wall Street Journal reporter Ron Suskind.

Suskind said O'Neill and other White House insiders gave him documents showing that in early 2001 the administration was already considering the use of force to oust Saddam, as well as planning for the aftermath.

"There are memos," Suskind told the network. "One of them marked 'secret' says 'Plan for Post-Saddam Iraq.'" - CNN (01/14/04)

(See also: January 13, 2004 - Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill says President Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11)

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March 4, 2001 - The Lone Gunmen's 'Pilot' episode, which depicts a U.S. government conspiracy plot to crash an electronically hijacked Boeing 727 into the WTC and blame it on foreign terrorists in order to provoke war and increase the military's budget, airs on FOX TV.

"Events further unravel to reveal that a secret government agency known as "The Overlords" is behind a plot to crash a fully loaded [727] into the World Trade Building. The Overlords plan to blame the crash on terrorists in an attempt to generate a bigger budget for military spending (of course)." - Wizard's Keep

The Sept. 11 Parallel "Nobody Noticed"

"We know the ratings for Fox's short-lived X-Files spinoff The Lone Gunmen were bad, but this is ridiculous. Six months before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks — March 4, 2001, to be exact — Gunmen premiered with an episode featuring a terrorist plot to fly a commercial airliner into the World Trade Center. The climactic sequence actually shows the plane heading into one of the Twin Towers, but at the last minute, it's pulled upward and just misses the building.

Shockingly, this horrifying bit of foreshadowing was never widely reported until Thursday, when industry newsletter The Myers Report broke the story. How is it that virtually no one remembered this post 9/11? "I know! That's what I've been wondering," marvels Frank Spotnitz, who along with Vince Gilligan and John Shiban wrote the episode. "I thought, 'Nobody noticed!' I guess so few people saw the show. But it's strange too because that was the pilot and the ratings were actually quite good for [that episode], and yet, we didn't hear anything."

Myers Report columnist Ed Martin — who was tipped off about the horrific parallel by a friend — wrote that "this seems to be collective amnesia of the highest order. The final act of the Gunmen pilot, which seemingly made no impact last year, now contains some of the most deeply disturbing images ever created for an entertainment program."

"I woke up on September 11 and saw it on TV and the first thing I thought of was The Lone Gunmen," recalls Spotnitz. "But then in the weeks and months that followed, almost no one noticed the connection.

"What's disturbing about it to me is, you think as a fiction writer that if you can imagine this scenario, then the people in power in the government who are there to imagine disaster scenarios can imagine it, too."

Unlike the actual attacks, there was no suicide hijacker in the Gunmen climax; the terrorists attempted to remotely steer the plane into the skyscraper. "Now, ironically, one of the things [the government is] talking about to prevent [another 9/11] is the ability of terrorists to remotely pilot planes," Spotnitz says, "which was another element of our story. It's weird." - TV Guide (06/21/02)

"On March 4, 2001, during Season 8 of “The X-Files,” the three spun off in a seriocomic series of their own, created by “X” producers Chris Carter, Frank Spotnitz, Vince Gilligan and John Shiban, and co-starring Zuleikha Robinson (“Hidalgo”) and Stephen Snedden (“Coyote Ugly”).

Despite the concern of some fans, the pilot of “The Lone Gunmen” is indeed part of the boxed set. This would seem like a no-brainer — until you realize that the central conspiracy in the episode involved the high-tech electronic hijacking of a commercial airliner with the intent of crashing it into the World Trade Center.

Although the episode was conceived and shot in 2000 and aired six months before the tragic events of Sept. 11, 2001, the eerie coincidence sent shockwaves through cast and producers.

“I'll never forget that,” says Spotnitz, calling in from the set of the pilot for his remake of “Kolchak: The Night Stalker.” “That was such a disturbing thing. It was very upsetting. As I say in the DVD featurette, you write something like that, and you assume that if you can think of it, being a Hollywood writer, then somebody in the government has thought about it already." - Kansas City Star (03/21/05)

TV spinoff The Lone Gunmen comes to DVD with its prescient 9/11 episode

"The Lone Gunmen, the Complete Series (Fox) - Back in 2001, when The X-Files was breathing its last prime-time gasp, this oddball spinoff series hit the airwaves for 13 episodes.

The most remarkable episode... aired just a few months before 9/11 with an incredibly prescient plot about terrorists hijacking an airliner and threatening to crash it into the World Trade Center. Except, in this plot, the terrorists were a cabal within the U.S. government itself.

On the episode's commentary track, the creators themselves cannot believe the irony. They recall how, in the immediate hours after the event when it wasn't known who was responsible, they feared their story might have inspired the real terrorists." - Canada.com (03/28/05)

- The Lone Gunmen - Official website (Episode 1, "Pilot", original air date 3/04/01)

(See also: March 20, 2000 - Filming begins on the The Lone Gunmen's 'Pilot' episode; March 21, 2005 - Lone Gunmen co-producer hopes WTC attack wasn't 'somehow inspired' by anything they did; Killtown's: The Lone Gunmen's 'Pilot' Episode)

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April 2001 - NORAD planned to practice a scenario in which a terrorist group hijacks a plane and crashes it into the Pentagon, but it was rejected by the Joint Chiefs of Staff as being too unrealistic.

"Five months before Sept. 11, 2001, the officers responsible for defending American airspace wanted to test their ability to prevent a hijacked airliner from being crashed into the Pentagon, but the scenario was rejected by the Joint Chiefs of Staff as impractical, a Joint Chiefs spokesman confirmed yesterday.

The disclosure was made after a government watchdog group released a leaked e-mail from a former official at the North American Air Defense Command. In the message, the official told colleagues a week after the attacks that in April 2001 NORAD requested that war games run by the Joint Chiefs include an ''event having a terrorist group hijack a commercial airline . . . and fly it into the Pentagon."

Last night, Pentagon spokesman Lieutenant Commander Dan Hetlage confirmed the account, saying: ''That scenario was rejected because it would have become a whole exercise in and of itself. It wasn't looked on at the time as being practicable."

The NORAD proposal is the clearest sign yet that national security officials were worried before 9/11 about terrorists using hijacked airliners as missiles, despite testimony that senior leaders, including National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, didn't know of such concerns.

Peter Stockton, chief investigator for the Project on Government Oversight, said yesterday he was told by the source who provided the memo that a special forces officer attached to the NORAD command at the time had first proposed the Pentagon scenario be practiced.

Concerns that terrorists might use hijacked airliners as missiles dates back to the 1996 Olympic games in Atlanta, when jets were placed on patrol to guard against such a threat." - Boston Globe (04/14/04)

(See also: 1996 - U.S. officials considered possibility a plane could be flown into the main stadium at Olympics in Atlanta; 1998-99 - Federal Report warned the executive branch that Osama bin Laden's terrorists might hijack an airliner and dive bomb it into the Pentagon or other government buildings)

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May 4, 2001 - PNAC member Dov S. Zakheim, member and a co-author of PNAC's "Rebuilding America's Defenses", is sworn in as the Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller) and Chief Financial Officer for the Department of Defense who was a former vice president of System Planning Corp., a defense contractor which makes remote control and flight termination products.

"Dov S. Zakheim was sworn in as the Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller) and Chief Financial Officer for the Department of Defense on May 4, 2001. Dr. Zakheim has previously served in a number of key positions in government and private business. Most recently, he was corporate vice president of System Planning Corp., a technology, research and analysis firm based in Arlington, Va. He also served as chief executive officer of SPC International Corp., a subsidiary specializing in political, military and economic consulting. During the 2000 presidential campaign, he served as a senior foreign policy advisor to then-Governor Bush.

From 1985 until March 1987, Dr. Zakheim was Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Planning and Resources in the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense (Policy). In that capacity, he played an active role in the Department's system acquisition and strategic planning processes. Dr. Zakheim held a variety of other DoD posts from 1981 to 1985. Earlier, he was employed by the National Security and International Affairs Division of the Congressional Budget Office.

Dr. Zakheim has been a participant on a number of government, corporate, non-profit and charitable boards. His government service includes terms on the United States Commission for the Preservation of America's Heritage Abroad; the Task Force on Defense Reform (1997); the first Board of Visitors of the Department of Defense Overseas Regional Schools (1998); and the Defense Science Board task force on "The Impact of DoD Acquisition Policies on the Health of the Defense Industry" (2000).

A 1970 graduate of Columbia University with a bachelor's in government, Dr. Zakheim also studied at the London School of Economics. He earned his doctorate in economics and politics at St. Antony's College, University of Oxford, where he was graduate fellow in programs of both the National Science Foundation and Columbia College, and then a research fellow. Dr. Zakheim has been an adjunct professor at the National War College, Yeshiva University, Columbia University and Trinity College, Hartford, Conn., where he was presidential scholar.

Dr. Zakheim has written, lectured and provided media commentary on national defense and foreign policy issues domestically and internationally. He is the author of "Flight of the Lavi: Inside a U.S.-Israeli Crisis" (Brassey's, 1996), "Congress and National Security in the Post-Cold War Era" (The Nixon Center, 1998), "Toward a Fortress Europe?" (Center for Strategic and International Studies, 2000), and numerous articles and chapters in books." - DoD

- System Planning Corporation's Command Transmitter Systems (CTS) provide remote control and flight termination functions through a fully-redundant self-contained solid-state system.

- System Planning Corporation's is proud to offer the Flight Termination System (FTS), a fully redundant turnkey range safety and test system for remote control and flight termination of airborne test vehicles.

REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.

PROJECT PARTICIPANTS

Dov Zakheim, System Planning Corporation" - PNAC (Sept. 2000)

"Dr. Dov S. Zakheim is a former political and economic adviser to the United States government. He is an ordained Orthodox Jewish rabbi...as well as a member of the Council on Foreign Relations." - Wikipedia

(See also: September 2000 - PNAC advocates the build up of U.S. military, but won't think it will happen unless U.S. experiences a major catastrophic event such as a "new Pearl Harbor"; September 10, 2001 - Donald Rumsfeld announces that Pentagon has lost track of $2.3 trillion in military spending)

May 18, 2001 - The Denver Council on Foreign Relations (DCFR) discuss in their meeting about 'The Development of Homeland Defense' that Washington and New York are the "most likely targets" of a terrorist attack, the scenario of a hijacked plane crashing into a "high-value target", and mentions that the alleged WTC '93 bomber's original plan was to blow up one WTC tower to fall into the other WTC tower, thus "collapsing both".

Homeland Defense and the Transportation Industry: The Civil Aviation and Surface Transportation Sectors

"Then came September 11, 2001, when all Americans understood what the attendants of these meetings had concluded beforehand--

In the last meeting (May 2001), participants discussed Washington and New York as the most likely targets, even discussing a scenario in which a plane is hijacked and crashed into a high-value target. In fact, this scenario had been discussed for some 40 years..." - Denver Council on Foreign Relations (12/01)

The Development of Homeland Defense: A New National Imperative

This is an interim, summary report on three regional seminar workshops on Homeland Defense held in Denver, Colorado, and sponsored by the Denver Council on Foreign Relations (DCFR) and the Inter-University Seminar on Armed Forces and Society (IUS), Rocky Mountain Region, also in association with the Institute on Globalization and Security (IGLOS), University of Denver.

May 16, 2000 (Denver Country Club), November 9, 2000 (Loews Giorgio Hotel, Denver), May 18, 2001 (Denver Country Club)

4. In regard to targets of attack, an attacker can take out key centers of energy or transportation without inflicting large casualties, so perhaps numbers of casualties should not be the sole guide for US counter-terrorist and Homeland Defense efforts.

Seminar workshop participants quickly agreed that MAD is not effective today against the likes of Osama Bin Laden or other terrorists so a new doctrine of defense of the homeland is needed.

While the bombing of the World Trade Center in New York several years ago was quite shocking, it was nowhere near what its perpetrator, Achmed Ramsey Youssef, had planned. His plan reportedly was to kill 250,000 people by blowing up the one tower so it would fall into the other tower, thus collapsing both. - Denver Council on Foreign Relations (Summer 2001)

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June 2001 - Attorney General John Ashcroft stops flying commercial aircrafts three months before 9/11.

"In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term." - CBS (06/26/01)

- Note: Watch CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart reports on Aschcroft's travel arrangements.

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June 1, 2001 - Dept. of Defense (DoD) initiates new instructions for military assistance relating to aircraft hijackings, the first time since 1997, which states that for all non-immediate responses, assistance from the DoD must get approval from the Secretary of Defense who is currently Donald Rumsfeld.

"CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF INSTRUCTION; J-3; CJCSI; 3610.01A

1 June 2001

AIRCRAFT PIRACY (HIJACKING) AND DESTRUCTION OF DERELICT AIRBORNE OBJECTS

1. Purpose. This instruction provides guidance to the Deputy Director for Operations (DDO), National Military Command Center (NMCC), and operational commanders in the event of an aircraft piracy (hijacking) or request for destruction of derelict airborne objects.

2. Cancellation. CJCSI 3610.01, 31 July 1997.

3. Applicability. This instruction applies to the Joint Staff, Services, unified commands, and the US Element, North American Aerospace Defense Command (USELEMNORAD).

4. Policy.

a. Aircraft Piracy (Hijacking) of Civil and Military Aircraft. Pursuant to references a and b, the Administrator, Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), has exclusive responsibility to direct law enforcement activity related to actual or attempted aircraft piracy (hijacking) in the “special aircraft jurisdiction” of the United States. When requested by the Administrator, Department of Defense will provide assistance to these law enforcement efforts. Pursuant to reference c, the NMCC is the focal point within Department of Defense for providing assistance. In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by reference d, forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval. DOD assistance to the FAA will be provided in accordance with reference d. Additional guidance is provided in Enclosure A."

ENCLOSURE D; REFERENCES:

d. DOD Directive 3025.15, 18 February 1997, “Military Assistance to Civil Authorities” - Defense Technical Information Center (06/01/01)

"Department of Defense; DIRECTIVE NUMBER 3025.15

February 18, 1997

4.7. Requests for military assistance should be made and approved in the following ways:

4.7.1. Immediate Response. Requests for an immediate response (i.e., any form of immediate action taken by a DoD Component or military commander to save lives, prevent human suffering, or mitigate great property damage under imminently serious conditions) may be made to any Component or Command. The DoD Components that receive verbal requests from civil authorities for support in an exigent emergency may initiate informal planning and, if required, immediately respond as authorized in DoD Directive 3025.1 (reference (g)). Civil authorities shall be informed that verbal requests for support in an emergency must be followed by a written request. As soon as practical, the DoD Component or Command rendering assistance shall report the fact of the request, the nature of the response, and any other pertinent information through the chain of command to the DoD Executive Secretary, who shall notify the Secretary of Defense, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and any other appropriate officials. If the report does not include a copy of the civil authorities' written request, that request shall be forwarded to the DoD Executive Secretary as soon as it is available." - Defense Technical Information Center (02/18/97)

Department of Defense; DIRECTIVE NUMBER 3025.1

January 15, 1993

SUBJECT: Military Support to Civil Authorities (MSCA)

References: (e) through (u), see enclosure 1

E1. ENCLOSURE 1

(g) DoD 5025.1-M, "DoD Directives System Procedures," December 1990" - Defense Technical Information Center (01/15/93)

(See also: January 20, 2001 - Donald H. Rumsfeld becomes the U.S. Secretary of Defense for the second time)

June 1, 2001 - NORAD conducts Amalgam Virgo 01, an exercise involving a cruise missile attack scenario in which their presentation manual has a photo of Osama bin Laden on the cover and a picture of an explosion in a skyscraper inside.

Amalgam Virgo

"Amalgam Virgo is a joint-service, cruise-missile defense exercise at Tyndall AFB.

Fast, low-flying cruise missiles are hard to detect. To practice their part in defending the U.S. from these missiles, members of the 513th Air Control Group deployed to Florida for the "Amalgam Virgo" cruise missile defense exercise. The multi-service exercise tested the defense and response capabilities to a cruise missile attack on Tyndall Air Force Base, Fla., June 1-4, 2001.

Homeland defense is increasingly being discussed as a primary mission for Guard and Reserve forces. The exercise was coordinated by the Air National Guard's 1st Air Force and involved active duty, National Guard and Reserve forces, the U.S. Navy and Coast Guard as players.

Contributing to the air picture was the Navy Aegis cruiser, USS Yorktown, in the Gulf of Mexico. Equipped with a high-powered radar capable of tracking more than 100 targets simultaneously, the Yorktown also played a role in the multi-layered defense used to shoot down a cruise missile

Real-time battle management and the transmission of E-3 aircraft sensor information is nothing new to the members of the 513th ACG. Data linking the Airborne Warning and Control System "picture" involves providing continual updates of the battlefield, thereby providing command leadership the needed information to instantly respond to changing conditions. It is crucial that information gathered by the AWACS aircraft be transmitted to the specified command center for rapid analysis and response.

amalgam_skyscraper_small.gifWhat was perhaps a bit different about this exercise was that it involved U.S. homeland defense and practicing to merge a variety of sister services' capabilities to create a uniform picture and response. There are 75,000 cruise missiles and cruise missile-like aircraft in about 75 countries around the world. Those facts, coupled with the ease with which a cruise missile can be acquired make cruise missile defense a priority. Because of the capability for people with very limited means, in relative terms, to be able to obtain a cruise missile, NORAD has to be very serious about that threat. Key to defending against cruise missiles is making sure all air defenders see the same thing. The goal of this exercise was to improve the air picture and counter new and emerging threats.

The Coast Guard, Navy and U.S. Southern Command, took the lead in detecting, identifying and prosecuting the surrogate terrorist vessel that "launched" the cruise missiles for the exercise. From an air defense point of view, the exercise was a complete success. Twelve drones were launched, and twelve were 'destroyed.' The multi-layered defense structure worked as advertised.

At the heart of the exercise was the Joint-Based Expeditionary Connectivity Center, or JBECC, which 1st Air Force tested as part of its Area Cruise Missile Defense demonstration. Ackermann explained that the JBECC is a highly mobile connectivity shelter, which can be deployed to high-risk areas to provide early warning of a cruise-missile attack. It does this by collecting and correlating radar information from the different services to provide an accurate tracking picture of low-level targets such as cruise missiles.

During the June 2001 exercise Amalgam Virgo, ANZUS, Inc. demonstrated the Rosetta LINK-16 / Link-11 gateway functionality. Tracks and data were forwarded between both links in both directions in real-time. This demonstration served as the pre-certification contractor test which was scheduled for October 2001 at JITC. Additionally, ANZUS demonstrated the JMMTIDS JICO toolset capabilities developed to support the Joint Interface Control Officer in managing a complex combined interface architecture." - GlobalSecurity.org [PDF]

(See also: June 4, 2002 - NORAD conducts Amalgam Virgo 02, an exercise involving a domestic commercial airliner-hijacking scenario planned before 9/11)

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July 2001 - U.S. plans to invade Afghanistan for an attack on Osama bin Laden and the Taliban by October 2001.

US 'planned attack on Taleban'

"A former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the US was planning military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban even before last week's attacks.

Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October.

Mr Naik told the BBC that at the meeting the US representatives told him that unless Bin Laden was handed over swiftly America would take military action to kill or capture both Bin Laden and the Taleban leader, Mullah Omar.

The wider objective, according to Mr Naik, would be to topple the Taleban regime and install a transitional government of moderate Afghans in its place - possibly under the leadership of the former Afghan King Zahir Shah.

He said that he was in no doubt that after the World Trade Center bombings this pre-existing US plan had been built upon and would be implemented within two or three weeks.

And he said it was doubtful that Washington would drop its plan even if Bin Laden were to be surrendered immediately by the Taleban." - BBC (09/18/01)

Attack and counter-attack, Evidence suggests that Washington had planned to move against Bin Laden in the summer. Was the attack on America a pre-emptive strike?

"These are the troubling questions raised by the Guardian's disclosure at the weekend that the Taliban received a specific warning - passed during secret diplomacy in Berlin in July - that the Bush team had prepared a new plan to topple the entire Afghan regime militarily unless they handed Bin Laden over.

The Guardian's disclosures are proving controversial. Some analysts say Bin Laden had evidently prepared his suicide pilots up to a year beforehand, thus making Washington's behaviour in July beside the point. Others ask why US threats of military strikes in July should be of any more concern to Bin Laden than previous episodes, such as Clinton's rocketing of his camps.

Reliable western military sources say a US contingency plan existed on paper by the end of the summer to attack Afghanistan from the north." - Guardian (09/26/01)

(See also: June 2001 - India and Iran will "facilitate" U.S. and Russian plans for "limited military action" against the Taliban; August 2001 - Taliban warns the U.S. of a huge attack from Osama bin Laden; September 4, 2001 - White House approves plans to invade Afghanistan; October 7, 2001 - U.S. invades Afghanistan)

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August 6, 2001 - In a CIA memo titled "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US", drafted the day before the anniversary of the Al Qaeda linked U.S. embassy bombings in Africa, George W. Bush is warned of possible terrorist attacks and plane hijackings in the U.S. from Osama bin Laden, but this revelation isn't made public until May 16, 2002.

"President Bush and his top advisers were informed by the CIA early last August that terrorists associated with Osama bin Laden had discussed the possibility of hijacking airplanes, according to reliable sources.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer confirmed that Bush had been told about the possibility of hijackings but he declined to say what had been revealed during his intelligence briefings." - Washington Post (05/16/02)

"White House officials acknowledged that U.S. intelligence officials informed President Bush weeks before the Sept. 11 attacks that bin Laden's terrorist network might try to hijack American planes, and that information prompted administration officials to issue a private warning to transportation officials and national security agencies." - ABC (05/16/02)

"George Bush received specific warnings in the weeks before 11 September that an attack inside the United States was being planned by Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network, US government sources said yesterday.

In a top-secret intelligence memo headlined 'Bin Laden determined to strike in the US', the President was told on 6 August that the Saudi-born terrorist hoped to 'bring the fight to America' in retaliation for missile strikes on al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan in 1998." - Guardian (05/19/02)

"FBI and CIA officials were advised in August that as many as 200 terrorists were slipping into this country and planning "a major assault on the United States," a high-ranking law enforcement official said Wednesday.

The advisory was passed on by the Mossad, Israel's intelligence agency. It cautioned that it had picked up indications of a "large-scale target" in the United States and that Americans would be "very vulnerable," the official said." - LA Times (09/20/01)

"The White House acknowledged Wednesday night that U.S. intelligence agents warned President Bush a month before Sept. 11 that Usama bin Laden's terror network might hijack American planes, but officials said the president had no way of knowing that they would use the planes as missiles for suicide attacks on American landmarks." - FOX/AP (05/16/02)

august6memo.jpgFull text of the Aug. 6, 2001 memo:

"Declassified and Approved for Release, 10 April 2004

Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US

Clandestine, foreign government, and media reports indicate Bin Ladin since 1997 has wanted to conduct terrorist attacks in the US. Bin Ladin implied in US television interviews in 1997 and 1998 that his followers would follow the example of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef and "bring the fighting to America."

After US missile strikes on his base in Afghanistan in 1998, Bin Ladin told followers he wanted to retaliate in Washington, according to a ...(redacted portion) ... service.

An Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) operative told an ... (redacted portion) ... service at the same time that Bin Ladin was planning to exploit the operative's access to the US to mount a terrorist strike.

The millennium plotting in Canada in 1999 may have been part of Bin Ladin's first serious attempt to implement a terrorist strike in the US. Convicted plotter Ahmed Ressam has told the FBI that he conceived the idea to attack Los Angeles International Airport himself, but that Bin Ladin lieutenant Abu Zubaydah encouraged him and helped facilitate the operation. Ressam also said that in 1998 Abu Zubaydah was planning his own US attack.

Ressam says Bin Ladin was aware of the Los Angeles operation.

Although Bin Ladin has not succeeded, his attacks against the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 demonstrate that he prepares operations years in advance and is not deterred by setbacks. Bin Ladin associates surveilled our Embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam as early as 1993, and some members of the Nairobi cell planning the bombings were arrested and deported in 1997.

Al-Qa'ida members -- including some who are US citizens -- have resided in or traveled to the US for years, and the group apparently maintains a support structure that could aid attacks. Two al-Qa'ida members found guilty in the conspiracy to bomb our Embassies in East Africa were US citizens, and a senior EIJ member lived in California in the mid-1990s.

A clandestine source said in 1998 that a Bin Ladin cell in New York was recruiting Muslim-American youth for attacks.

We have not been able to corroborate some of the more sensational threat reporting, such as that from a ... (redacted portion) ... service in 1998 saying that Bin Ladin wanted to hijack a US aircraft to gain the release of "Blind Shaykh" 'Umar 'Abd al-Rahman and other US-held extremists.

Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.

The FBI is conducting approximately 70 full field investigations throughout the US that it considers Bin Ladin-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our Embassy in the UAE in May saying that a group of Bin Ladin supporters was in the US planning attacks with explosives." - Washington Post (04/10/04)

(See also: June 2001 - Convicted terrorist provided US officials with very specific info about a terrorist attack, info was used in Aug 6 memo; May 16, 2002 - News comes out that the Bush Administration received warnings about terrorist attacks and plane hijackings by Osama Bin Laden; April 10, 2004 - The White House releases the August 6th memo)

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September 3, 2001 - Salman Rushdie 'given US air ban week before terrorist attacks'

"Salman Rushdie says US authorities banned him from taking internal flights a week before the terrorist attacks.

He thinks officials were aware of an imminent terrorist strike.

He says the Federal Aviation Authority told his publisher it had intelligence of something about to happen.

The author told The Times the FAA banned him from internal flights in the US and Canada on September 3, unless airlines complied with extra security measures.

He says the airlines weren't willing to upgrade their security.

According to the newspaper, the FAA has confirmed it stepped up security levels relating to Rushdie, but that it refused to give further details." - Ananova (09/27/01)

September 4, 2001 - The White House approves plans to invade Afghanistan.

Finger-Pointing On Anti-Terror Plan

"An official said one such plan was drafted during the early days of the Bush administration, but was only ready for presentation to the president on Sept. 10, a day before the attacks.

Top Bush administration officials approved what McCormack called the "comprehensive strategy to eliminate al Qaeda" exactly one week before the Sept. 11 attacks." - CBS (08/05/01)

War not realistic option before 9/11

"Secretary of State Colin Powell testified Tuesday that the option of an invasion was not seriously considered until a week before the Sept. 11 attacks, when Bush's senior foreign policy advisers approved a detailed counterterrorism strategy." - USA Today (03/23/04)

(See also: July 2001 - US plans an attack on OBL and the Taliban for the middle of October; September 10, 2001 - White House's Afghan invasion plan awaits Bush's approval)

September 5, 2001 - U.S. pulls the plug on Muslim websites.

US pulls the plug on Muslim websites

"Five hundred websites - many of them with an Arab or Muslim connection - crashed last Wednesday when an anti-terrorism taskforce raided InfoCom Corporation in Texas.

The 80-strong taskforce that descended upon the IT company included FBI agents, Secret Service agents, Diplomatic Security agents, tax inspectors, immigration officials, customs officials, department of commerce officials and computer experts." - Guardian (09/10/01)

FBI accused of anti-Muslim bias

"Muslim leaders have accused the FBI of conducting an "anti-Muslim witch hunt" following a raid on the Texas offices of a Middle East internet service provider.

An 80-strong US terrorism task force searched the Texas offices of Infocom Corporation on Wednesday and Thursday.

The company is host to a number of Arabic websites, including that of the Arab world's leading independent television news channel.

"American Muslims view the action as just one of a long list of attempts by the pro-Israel lobby to intimidate and silence all those who wish to see Palestinian Muslims and Christians free themselves of a brutal apartheid-like occupation," said a statement by a coalition of Muslim groups.

Infocom said the raid resulted in a temporary shutdown of websites it hosted for about 500 customers, including that run by Al-Jazeera television and the newspaper Al-Sharq, both based in the Gulf state of Qatar.

A lawyer for Infocom said the company had no links to terrorist groups and was co-operating with the FBI.

Muslim leaders have rallied around Infocom. In a statement, several American Islamic groups condemned the search as "an anti-Muslim witch hunt promoted by the pro-Israel lobby in America"." - BBC (09/07/01)

FBI Agents Raid Muslim-Owned Internet Company

"Anti-terrorism agents" from the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and other federal law enforcement agencies, continued Thursday to search the offices of the Muslim-owned InfoCom Corporation, a Texas-based Internet service provider, after raiding its offices early Wednesday morning without any explanation.

InfoCom hosts more than 500 web sites worldwide, both in the Middle East and in the United States, according to a media advisory from the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

The company hosts a web portal that services the Middle East, and the FBI search resulted in disruption of satellite television service in the United Arab Emirates, according to reports from Dubai.

Qatar-based Al-Jazeera satellite television, a popular and world renowned Arabic news source, has been frequently criticized by Israel for its reporting on the Middle East conflict, according to CAIR's advisory.

Among the domestic web sites whose servers are currently blocked as the "investigation" continues are those of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), whose annual conference took place in Chicago this past weekend, and CAIR's southwest office, as well as its e-mail listserv service, which the organization moved to another server.

The website of the Muslim Students Association (MSA) was also affected." - Islam Online (09/06/01)===

=========September 10, 2001 - San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown receives a travel warning eight hours before the attacks.

"For Mayor Willie Brown, the first signs that something was amiss came late Monday when he got a call from what he described as his airport security - - a full eight hours before yesterday's string of terrorist attacks -- advising him that Americans should be cautious about their air travel.

Exactly where the call came from is a bit of a mystery. The mayor would say only that it came from "my security people at the airport."

"We can only do what we can," the mayor said, adding, "Hell, if they can't protect the Pentagon from attack, what can they protect?" - SFGate.com (09/12/01)

Side note: It has been rumored that Condoleezza Rice gave Mayor Brown this warning. Here is were that came from...

"David Irving comments: ACCORDING to a report today Friday, May 17, 2002, on Pacifica Radio, the warning to San Francisco's mayor came from squeaky-clean Condoleezza Rice." - Action Report (05/16/02)

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john_howard_bush.jpg September 10, 2001 - President George Bush and Australian Prime Minister John Howard meet at the Washington Navy Yard to hand over the bell from USS Canberra to the Australian Government and a survivor of the sunken Australian Canberra will have his reservation to fly on Flight 77 the next day cancelled by the Australian Embassy.

Bush, Australian leader meet

"U.S. President George Bush and Australian Prime Minister John Howard met Monday to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the military alliance between the two countries.

Bush presented Howard with a gift that symbolizes the U.S.-Australia military alliance -- the ship's bell of the USS Canberra, an American vessel named in honor of an Australian warship lost in World War II. The ceremony took place at the Washington Navy Yard.

Howard enjoys what he calls a 'special relationship' with the United States and that relationship is on solid ground despite a few recent trade disputes. He has been largely supportive of the United States' proposed missile defense plan.

U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell earlier this year said Australia was one of America's "very, very best friends in the world" partly because it has regularly drawn on Australian support over the years.

In 1990, Australia was one of the first nations to lend its support to the U.S.-led military build up and then intervention in the Persian Gulf following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.

Currently, the military alliance -- on the surface at least -- amounts to little more than occasional joint naval or military exercises, in addition to Australia providing the real estate for some strategic American listening posts." - CNN (09/10/01)

Canberra vet lives to tell the tale

"It's September 10 in Washington, USA, as survivor of the sunken HMAS Canberra, Mackenzie Gregory, turns to Australian Prime Minister John Howard and says "See you tomorrow at Arlington".

Unbeknown to Mr Gregory, he is about to survive another event of historical significance - the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington the following day.

Furthermore, Mr Gregory may also have the Prime Minister to thank for his good fortune after he was originally booked on Flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon on September 11.

Staff from the Australian Embassy cancelled the booking from Flight 77 and re-scheduled his flight to coincide with the Prime Minister's attendance at a wreath-laying ceremony in Arlington.

As one of the few survivors from the sinking of HMAS Canberra on August 9, 1942, Mr Gregory was in Washington for a ceremony handing over the bell from USS Canberra to the Australian Government.

President George W Bush even broke ranks to personally meet Mr Gregory, with Mr Bush ordering a three-star marine general to photograph himself with Mr Gregory, his wife and Prime Minister John Howard.

The next morning Flight 77 was flown into the nearby Pentagon, with Mr Gregory and his wife taken to a hotel opposite the Australian Embassy shortly after." - Australian Navy (10/01/01)

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Another silly laundry list.

WHEN YOU DONT HAVE THE FACTS YOU ARGUE SILLY (GAAL)

January 31, 2001 - A Treasury Department memo for Secretary Paul O'Neill contains a summary of a "military plan" for a "post-Saddam Iraq" marked secret.

"UNCLASSIFIED WITH SECRET ATTACHMENTS

DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY

WASHINGTON, D.C. 20220

JAN 31 2001

MEMORANDUM FOR SECRETARY O'NEILL

FROM: Mark Sobel, Acting Assistant Secretary, International Affairs

SUBJECT: Briefing for NSC Principals Meeting on Gulf Policy

DATE AND TIME: 3:00 p.m.-4:30 p.m., Thursday, February 1, 2001

LOCATION: White House Situation Room

PURPOSE: To review the current state-of-play (including a CIA briefing on Iraq) and to examine policy questions on how to proceed.

ATTACHMENTS:

Tab C: Executive Summary: Political-Military Plan for Post-Saddam Iraq Crisis (interagency working paper) -- SECRET" - Memo at Paperless Archives

O'Neill: Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11

"The Bush administration began planning to use U.S. troops to invade Iraq within days after the former Texas governor entered the White House three years ago, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill told CBS News' 60 Minutes.

[...]

In the 1930s the US military developed a contingency plan to invade Canada, lots of scenarios are planned for, some happen most don't. It's no secret that the Bush cabal were gunning for Saddam, but if 9/11 was a ploy to justify the invasion what wasn't any evidence produced pointing the finger at Iraq?

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Abraham Lincoln lunatic MEX-Amer war truther !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Abraham Lincoln’s view on James K. Polk and Mexican Territory

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On January 12, 1848 Abraham Lincoln, a Whig congressman from Illinois, gave a speech questioning the Mexican-American war that he believed was “unnecessarily and unconstitutionally commenced.” A month earlier Lincoln, as a freshman member of the House of Representatives, introduced the “Spot Resolutions” that asked President Polk to submit evidence that the initial cause and the first battle of the war was indeed fought on American territory.

In his speech Lincoln presented the President’s evidence and proceeded to analyze it. His speech primarily focused on six of his original resolutions dealing with whether the causalities occurred under the territory of the government of Texas or the United States. In Lincoln’s opinion, “there is not one word in all the President has said which would either admit or deny the declaration.”

After analyzing every piece of evidence President Polk was willing to submit, Lincoln calls on him again to “answer, fully, fairly, and candidly.” Lincoln wanted the President to “answer with facts and not with arguments.” On January 3rd, the House of Representatives, controlled by the Whig party, passed an amendment faulting the President for beginning a war that was unnecessary. Lincoln having voted for this legislation stated to the President that if he proved that blood was indeed shed on United States soil he would happily reverse his vote.

Despite Lincoln’s willingness to change his vote, he still believed that President Polk was not “satisfied with his own positions.” Lincoln also stated that “his mind is tasked beyond its power” and Polk who believed the war would only last three to four months, cannot show his people a light at the end of the tunnel.

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Yet another irrelevant and off topic post. The border between Texas and Mexico was disputed, Lincoln was a political opponent of POTUS Polk.

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Yet another irrelevant and off topic post. The border between Texas and Mexico was disputed, Lincoln was a political opponent of POTUS Polk.

HUH ? FALSE FLAG THAT LEADS TO WAR IS IMPORTANT AND THIS INCIDENT SHOWS A GOVERNMENT CAN LIE TO START A WAR > ?? 911 EX PAT COLBY CALLS LINCOLN A LIER ??
9/11 coincidences relevant below
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Saturday, July 30, 2011
President Bush breaks silence on 'stone-faced' reaction to 9/11 attacks during Sarasota Fl school visit, Pres. Bush was subject of assassination attempt in Sarasota.
9/11/2001....President Bush had just spent the night at the Colony Beach and Tennis Resort on Longboat Key, Florida. [sarasota Herald-Tribune, 9/10/2002] He wakes up around 6:00 a.m. and is preparing for his morning jog. [New York Times, 9/16/2001; Daily Telegraph, 12/16/2001; MSNBC, 10/27/2002] A van occupied by men of Middle Eastern descent arrives at the Colony Beach Resort, stating they have a “poolside” interview with the president. They do not have an appointment and are turned away. [Longboat Observer, 9/26/2001]

Some question whether this was an assassination attempt modeled on the one used on Afghan leader Ahmed Massoud two days earlier (see September 9, 2001). [Time, 8/4/2002] Longboat Key Fire Marshal Carroll Mooneyhan was reported to have overheard the conversation between the men and the Secret Service, but he later denies the report.

The newspaper that reported this, the Longboat Observer stands by its story. [st. Petersburg Times, 7/4/2004] Witnesses recall seeing Mohamed Atta in the Longboat Key Holiday Inn a short distance from where Bush was staying as recently as September 7, the day Bush’s Sarasota appearance was publicly announced. [Longboat Observer, 11/21/2001; St. Petersburg Times, 7/4/2004].

Pres. George Bush Was the Target Of An Al-Qaeda Assassination Attempt On September 11th 2001 in Sarasota Florida. Zainelabdeen Ibrahim Omer called Sarasota police on Sept. 11 at 4:07 am, see police report, hours before Bush left town with concerns about 3 Sudaneese men in town led by “Ghandi” who had made violent threats.”

“Zainelabdeen Ibrahim Omer, DOB 1/17/1967, see Sarasota Police report above, was living on Parliament St in San Antonio Texas in June of 2001 and appears to have moved to 2566 Hunters Glen Sarasota Fl (apartment complex) sometime prior to the September 11th, 2001 terror attacks, from where he called the cops on his cell phone 941-365-5755″.

Several hours before the alleged assassination attempt took place of President Bush on 9/11/01, Zaine labdeen Ibrahim Omer delivered his warning. Its right there in black and white in the police report, which was taken at 4.07 AM on the morning of September 11.

The Sarasota police immediately called in Secret Service agents guarding the President, who was spending the night at the Colony Beach & Tennis Resort, on Longboat Key, just off Sarasota.Within hours Secret Service agents were searching an apartment in Sarasota, where they took a number of Sudanese men into custody (see Sarasota Police report 9/11/01 above) .

They arrested three occupants from Sudan; they were questioned for the next ten hours, according to one, Fathel Rahman Omer. The Secret Service also raided a beauty supply store in Sarasota, owned by one “Hakim,” who identified the mysterious “Ghandi” as a member of the Sudanese People’s Liberation Army, itself closely allied with the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

Possible Longboat terrorist incident, Is it a clue or is it a coincidence?

By Shay Sullivan, City Editor
, Wednesday, September 26, 2001

By now, most everyone knows President George W. Bush began that fateful day, Sept. 11, on Longboat Key, but the FBI is now investigating whether terrorists also began that fateful day here on the island.

At about 6 a.m.
prepared for his morning jog. From that vantage point, Mooneyhan overheard a strange exchange between a Colony receptionist and security guard.

A
had pulled up to the Colony stating they had a “poolside” interview with the president, Mooneyhan said. The self-proclaimed reporters then asked for a Secret Service agent by name. Guards from security relayed the request to the receptionist, who had not heard of either the agent or plans for an interview, Mooneyhan said.

The receptionist gave the phone over to a nearby Secret Service agent, who said the same thing — no one knew of an agent by that name or of any poolside interview. The agent told the occupants of the van to contact the president’s public relations office in Washington, D. C., and turned them away from the premises, Mooneyhan said.

In light of the attacks, Mooneyhan wonders if what he witnessed is related to the events of Sept. 11. So does the FBI. “That’s very strange,” said an unnamed agent with the Sarasota field office of the FBI, who directed agents to look into the matter.

Earlier,
in with a van occupied by men of Middle Eastern descent. At 8:50 a.m. the man stood on the Sarasota bayfront waiting to watch the presidential motorcade pass. A dilapidated van passed him with two men of Middle Eastern descent “screaming out the windows, ‘Down with Bush’ and raising their fists in the air.” The Longboat Key resident later reported the incident to police, who turned the matter over to FBI agents who questioned him.

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Just because something may have happened at one point is not evidence that something vaguely similar may have happened over 150 years later. I've not seen anyone here dispute that the Bush administration may have lied.

And no I never indicated Lincoln had lied. And he never indicated the attacks may have been false flags.

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And he (LINCOLN) never indicated the attacks may have been false flags.// COLBY

Excerpts from the Lincoln-Douglas debate at Alton, IL, 1858

Douglas: There is something really refreshing in the thought that Mr. Lincoln is in favor of prosecuting one war vigorously. It is the first war I ever knew him to be in favor of prosecuting. It is the first war that I ever knew him to believe to be just or constitutional. When the Mexican war was being waged, and the American army was surrounded by the enemy in Mexico, he thought the war was unconstitutional, unnecessary, and unjust. He thought it was not commenced on the right spot.

When I made an incidental allusion of that kind in the joint discussion over at Charleston, some weeks ago, Lincoln, in replying, said that I, Douglas, had charged him with voting against supplies for the Mexican war, and then he reared up, full length, and swore that he never voted against the supplies, -- that it was a slander…
he
(LINCOLN)
confessed that he voted that the war was wrong, that our country was in the wrong, and consequently that the Mexicans were in the right;
(CAUSE WE (USA)
LIED
ABOUT THE
FACTS
OF THAT CAUSED INITIATION OF THE MEXICAN AMERICAN WAR..AKA FALSE FLAG)

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And he
(LINCOLN)
never indicated the attacks may have been false flags.
// COLBY

((((No Mr. COLBY YOU ARE 100 % WRONG,Gaal,

lie // facts // initiation // war aka false flag
))))

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Among the most-aggressive challenges to the legitimacy of Polk’s casus belli was that offered by future president
, then a first-term member of the House of Representatives from Illinois. In December 1847 Lincoln introduced eight “Spot Resolutions,” which placed the analysis of Polk’s claim in a carefully delineated historical context that sought to

"obtain a full knowledge of all the facts which go to establish whether the particular spot of soil on which the blood of our
citizens
was so shed was, or was not,
our own soil
at that time."(LINCOLN)

(or we were the aggressors and we attacked their (Mexican) soil,Gaal)

And no I never indicated Lincoln had lied// Colby ++ I THINK THE RECORD INDICATES YOU DID,GaaL

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The border between Texas and Mexico was disputed,=

Lincoln was a political opponent of POTUS Polk.// Colby

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Lincoln lies for political gain ???

Colby implies Lincoln a xxxx (GAAL)
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LOL you depend on Douglas' paraphrasing rather than Lincoln's actual words, get back to us with the latter. But even based on the latter there's no indication Lincoln was suggesting there had been a false flag; no one disputed that Mexican forces attacked US ones, Lincoln was questioning if the attack had occurred in disputed territory or land that both sides recognized as American.

And no I never indicated he was a xxxx.

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Mexican wars 1819, 1846-48: Long series of operations, commencing with the annexion of Florida (1819) and followed by a declaration of independence of Texas from Mexico (1836). Provocative troop movements near the U.S. southern border caused an incident which led to war. (It is said the US built a fortification 150 km inside the Mexican border.) The annexation of Texas by the USA and the conquest of California, New Mexico, and nearby territories followed. Mexico had a weak government at that time, because after Napoleon conquered Spain (1809) their former colonies soon revolted. Mexico had been a colony of the Spanish kingdom but now they revolted and formed a republic. There were a series of revolts, not just one.

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The Mexican-American War

Thomas DiLorenzo

August 29, 2013

When James K. Polk became president in 1845 he announced to his cabinet that one of his chief objectives was to acquire California, which was then a part of Mexico. As he wrote in his diary (online as “The Diary of James K. Polk”), “I stated to the cabinet that up to this time as they knew, we had heard of no open act of aggression by the Mexican army, but that the danger was imminent that such acts would be committed. I said that in my opinion we had ample cause of war.”

Thus, long before the presidency of George W. Bush, James K, Polk advocated the neocon notion of “pre-emptive war.” Polk recognized that the Mexican army had not committed any “act of aggression,” so set out to provoke one by sending American troops to the border of Mexico in territory that historians agree was “disputed territory” at the time because of a very dubious claim by the U.S. government. None other than Ulysses S. Grant wrote in his memoirs that, as a young soldier serving under the command of General Zachary Taylor during the 1846-1848 Mexican-American War, he understood that he had been sent there to provoke a fight:

“The presence of United States troops on the edge of the disputed territory furthest from the Mexican settlements, was not sufficient to provoke hostilities. We were sent to provoke a fight, but it was essential that Mexico should commence it. I was very doubtful whether Congress would declare war; but if Mexico should attack our troops, the Executive [President Polk] could announce, ‘Whereas war exist by the acts of, etc.’ and prosecute the contest with vigor.”

Polk’s gambit worked; he did provoke the Mexican army. In his war message to Congress he then declared that “Mexico has passed the boundary of the United States, has invaded our territory and shed American blood upon the American soil. . . . As war exists . . . by the act of Mexico herself, we are called upon by every consideration of duty and patriotism to vindicate with decision the honor, the rights, and the interests of our country.” This con game of provoking a war by showing up on another nation’s border, heavily armed with weapons aimed at the hoped-for belligerent, would be repeated many times in subsequent generations, right up to today’s provocation of a war in Syria.

The invasion and conquest of Mexico enabled the U.S. government to acquire California and New Mexico at the cost of some 15,000 American lives and at least 25,000 Mexican casualties. It was an aggressive war of conquest and imperialism.

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I'm not going to waste my time going off on irrelevant tangents.

The wise man knows: what is past is prologue.There is a long list of USA false flags. What is past is prologue.

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You're so right Gaal, "past is prolog" so much so that all I have to do repost this from a few days ago

Just because something may have happened at one point is not evidence that something vaguely similar may have happened over 150 years later. I've not seen anyone here dispute that the Bush administration may have lied.

And no I never indicated Lincoln had lied. And he never indicated the attacks may have been false flags.

Nor is there any evidence they were false flags. The territory was disputed.

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You're so right Gaal, "past is prolog" so much so that all I have to do repost this from a few days ago

Just because something may have happened at one point is not evidence that something vaguely similar may have happened over 150 years later. I've not seen anyone here dispute that the Bush administration may have lied.

And no I never indicated Lincoln had lied. And he never indicated the attacks may have been false flags.

Nor is there any evidence they were false flags. The territory was disputed.

Polk recognized that the Mexican army had not committed any “act of aggression,” so set out to provoke one by sending American troops to the border of Mexico in territory that historians agree was “disputed territory” at the time because of a very dubious claim by the U.S. government. None other than Ulysses S. Grant wrote in his memoirs that, as a young soldier serving under the command of General Zachary Taylor during the 1846-1848 Mexican-American War, he understood that he had been sent there to provoke a fight: (GEE A WAR INCIDENT ALLOWED/ AIDED TO HAPPEN ....humm......hijackers ALLOWED across borders....911)

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Among the most-aggressive challenges to the legitimacy of Polk’s casus belli was that offered by future president Abraham Lincoln, then a first-term member of the House of Representatives from Illinois. In December 1847 Lincoln introduced eight “Spot Resolutions,” which placed the analysis of Polk’s claim in a carefully delineated historical context that sought to

"obtain a full knowledge of all the facts which go to establish whether the particular spot of soil on which the blood of our
citizens
was so shed was, or was not,
our own soil
at that time."(LINCOLN)

(or we were the aggressors and we attacked their (Mexican) soil,Gaal) the red Lincolns words above.

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So whats Lincons point ?? WE (USA) LIED ABOUT THE FACTS OF WHAT CAUSED INITIATION OF THE MEXICAN AMERICAN WAR..AKA FALSE FLAG)

lie // facts // initiation // war ; means same as false flag

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