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David,

As far as i know it is not against the rules. The conversation I was having was with Mark.

I am not interested in your views. Mark was interested why I said that the exaggerated movement was likely to be the consequence of blurred rather than an actual physical movement. And that was why created that post.

James

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This whole argument is kind of a waste of time, since there is no way a bullet could have gone through JFK's neck, and gone on to hit Connally in the right armpit, without going through and smashing some of JFK's cervical vertebrae.

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If he was shot he doesn't look like he knew it, that's why he turns around to see if JFK is okay since he has little concern for himself, Connolly's reaction is typical of a near miss and not that of a man needing immediate hospital treatment.

"Whoa" was that a shot? Is the President okay? Checks out.

"Whoa" am I hit? Let me see. Nope.

Looks exactly like a near miss.

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IMO the shot that hit Connally (whether in that gif or not) came from the roof of the records building (where as I recall a shell was found years later). One thing for sure is that it didn't go through JFK after being fired by that low-down no-good Commie rat Oswald.

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Oswald wasn't in the second-floor break (lunch) room at 12:30 PM CST on 11/22/63.

He was until recently...

"Until recently"? You mean Oswald was in the lunchroom until just last week (or maybe last night)? That's amazing.

Since Truly and Baker both saw him there at that time.

They didn't see Oswald in the lunchroom at exactly 12:30. They saw him there a couple of minutes later after Oswald shot the President from the sixth floor and then hurried down the back stairs.

And to pre-empt your next argument, Vickie Adams' testimony doesn't pave the way for Oswald's innocence either. Here's why -----> jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/07/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-743.html

It's funny to note that the conspiracy theorists don't think Lee Oswald had a prayer of getting from the sixth floor to the second floor of the Book Depository in 90 seconds, and yet those same conspiracists don't have any problem at all believing that the two women (Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles--wearing high heels too) could go from the 4th floor to the 1st floor in just 60 seconds.

And the difference in the distance travelled is just one floor (with Oswald needing to travel down four flights--from 6 to 2--while the girls need to go down three flights--from 4 to 1).

I guess the CTers just can't believe that Oswald could have traversed that ONE extra flight of stairs (and hid the rifle near the stairs) in the 30 seconds that separates LHO's time from the time the CTers like for the girls so much (1 minute flat).

Ironic, huh?

Have you now found out that he was somewhere else? Oh, maybe you think he was in the Dal Tex building?

No, he wasn't in the Dal-Tex. He was just where Howard Brennan saw him---on the sixth floor of the Depository firing a rifle at President Kennedy.

You do know that the Zapruder film, which you are positive hasn't been altered shows that Brennan was not looking up at the TSBD at the time of the shooting. Right?

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But James....

Once we get to the blurry frame 227, it's all over with anyway. I.E., Connally's already been hit and he has ALREADY reacted back there in the clearer frames (Z224-225-226).

So what makes the difference whether Z227 is clear or not? The cat's already out of the bag (so to speak). Connally's already been wounded prior to Z227, and he is visibly REACTING to being hit by the bullet in the clearer frames (Z224-226).

So you can have Z227. I sure as heck don't need that frame to prove my point regarding John Connally's reactions. Because it's all over and done with by Z226.

So you can have Z227. I sure as heck don't need that frame to prove my point regarding John Connally's reactions. Because it's all over and done with by Z226.

So you don't think his brains being blown out were significant?

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You do know that the Zapruder film, which you are positive hasn't been altered[,] shows that Brennan was not looking up at the TSBD at the time of the shooting. Right?

And so you think we can actually SEE Howard Brennan throughout the ENTIRE Zapruder Film? Is that it, Kenneth?

You'd better go and have another look at the Z-Film, because the last frame where Brennan is visible in the film is Z207 or Z208, which is more than 100 frames before the head shot.

This is embarrassing to even have to respond to such provably wrong garbage.

But the person who should be even more embarrassed is Kenneth Drew, for even suggesting that the Zapruder Film provides proof that Howard Brennan was not looking at the Book Depository "at the time of the shooting".

Brennan's testimony is quite clear -- he saw the TSBD gunman fire the LAST shot at the President....

"I was looking at the man in this window at the time of the last explosion." -- Howard L. Brennan; 11/22/63 Affidavit

And Brennan said the same thing in his Warren Commission testimony.

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So you can have Z227. I sure as heck don't need that frame to prove my point regarding John Connally's reactions. Because it's all over and done with by Z226.

So you don't think his brains being blown out were significant?

John Connally had his brains blown out in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963? Gee, that's news to me.

My comment above about frame 227 has nothing to do with John Kennedy having his brains blown out. I was focusing exclusively on Connally's reactions in the pre-Z227 frames of the Zapruder Film when I made that statement. The discussion that James Gordon and I were having had nothing at all to do with the fatal shot to JFK's head.

Do you need better reading glasses, Kenneth? (I just bought half-a-dozen extra pairs last month for a really good low price. You can have a pair if you need them.)

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You do know that the Zapruder film, which you are positive hasn't been altered[,] shows that Brennan was not looking up at the TSBD at the time of the shooting. Right?

And so you think we can actually SEE Howard Brennan throughout the ENTIRE Zapruder Film? Is that it, Kenneth?

You'd better go and have another look at the Z-Film, because the last frame where Brennan is visible in the film is Z207 or Z208, which is more than 100 frames before the head shot.

This is embarrassing to even have to respond to such provably wrong garbage.

But the person who should be even more embarrassed is Kenneth Drew, for even suggesting that the Zapruder Film provides proof that Howard Brennan was not looking at the Book Depository "at the time of the shooting".

Brennan's testimony is quite clear -- he saw the TSBD gunman fire the LAST shot at the President....

"I was looking at the man in this window at the time of the last explosion." -- Howard L. Brennan; 11/22/63 Affidavit

And Brennan said the same thing in his Warren Commission testimony.

Smoke and mirrors my good man. Do we care about what he said some days later vs what we can see with our eyes?

This is embarrassing

It's not my fault that you continually are embarrassed at what you say and do.

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Kenneth,

I assume you were thinking about 327 as opposed to 227?

James

Actually I was referring to 'it's all over and done', not to when Connally was hit. Clearly DVP thinks Connally was hit at a time other than what the evidence shows, so his opinion of when it's all over and done is not particularly significant.

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So you can have Z227. I sure as heck don't need that frame to prove my point regarding John Connally's reactions. Because it's all over and done with by Z226.

So you don't think his brains being blown out were significant?

John Connally had his brains blown out in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963? Gee, that's news to me.

My comment above about frame 227 has nothing to do with John Kennedy having his brains blown out. I was focusing exclusively on Connally's reactions in the pre-Z227 frames of the Zapruder Film when I made that statement. The discussion that James Gordon and I were having had nothing at all to do with the fatal shot to JFK's head.

Do you need better reading glasses, Kenneth? (I just bought half-a-dozen extra pairs last month for a really good low price. You can have a pair if you need them.)

LOL, DVP, try to keep up. You jump to conclusions before you're seen the evidence. Please provide the quote where I said Connally had his brains blown out, ever.

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So you can have Z227. I sure as heck don't need that frame to prove my point regarding John Connally's reactions. Because it's all over and done with by Z226.

So you don't think his brains being blown out were significant?

John Connally had his brains blown out in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963? Gee, that's news to me.

My comment above about frame 227 has nothing to do with John Kennedy having his brains blown out. I was focusing exclusively on Connally's reactions in the pre-Z227 frames of the Zapruder Film when I made that statement. The discussion that James Gordon and I were having had nothing at all to do with the fatal shot to JFK's head.

Do you need better reading glasses, Kenneth? (I just bought half-a-dozen extra pairs last month for a really good low price. You can have a pair if you need them.)

LOL, DVP, try to keep up. You jump to conclusions before you're seen the evidence. Please provide the quote where I said Connally had his brains blown out, ever.

"Do you need better reading glasses, Kenneth? (I just bought half-a-dozen extra pairs last month for a really good low price." oh, so that's your problem? you can't see?

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