Some JFK Debate Traps (see if you recognize anyone)

[David Von Pein]

in fact, you had permission to think for yourself before he was gone. you just may not have realized it, it seems...

I have disagreed with Vince Bugliosi on several things relating to the JFK case. You just may not have realized it, it seems. But all of those disagreements are laid out on my website. Keep reading. You'll get to them--some day...some decade.

Edited August 6, 2015 by David Von Pein

[Glenn Nall]

isn't that cute.

you have some silly idea that i visit your website. awwwww.....

[David Von Pein]

isn't that cute.

you have some silly idea that i visit your website. awwwww.....

Well, since you said you were going to try to trip me up on the issue of whether I have ever said that a SINGLE piece of evidence proves LHO's guilt, I assumed that meant a pretty good scouring of my site. But I guess you meant you were going to ONLY search this forum's archives. If so, you'll miss a lot of posts. But good luck anyway.

[David Josephs]

."The Truth doesn't give a sh** what your opinion is."... unless it contradicts what's in this report....

or has to do with what LBJ did while sitting waiting for the delivery...

DJ, i hope you didn't take that out of context - i value your input. the quote was just that, a quote, and appropriate as referred to other contributors, not yours.

sorry about that.

I didn't at all Glenn... I was twisting it into an example and didn't make my point...

ie if your opinion went against the truth... you were targeted, not not cared about...

as for Jackie and the Magazine.... IDK, just kinda slipped into the post... {rewind... delete...} lol

[David Josephs]

How could I possibly top this, though, Mr. Healy? .....

"The conspiracy community regularly seizes on one slip of the tongue, misunderstanding, or slight discrepancy to defeat twenty pieces of solid evidence; accepts one witness of theirs, even if he or she is a provable nut, as being far more credible than ten normal witnesses on the other side; treats rumors, even questions, as the equivalent of proof; leaps from the most minuscule of discoveries to the grandest of conclusions; and insists that the failure to explain everything perfectly negates all that is explained." -- VB

WARNING: tautological oxymoron ahead... back-peddling may cause injury..

"20 pieces of solid evidence" is where this falls apart Dave...

List a few and then show how s-o-l-i-d they are... you CAN defend your own convictions and conclusions with logic and authentication....

Here Dave, start with solid evidence backing these 12 WCR conclusions - see, giving you 8 free passes...

1. The shots which killed President Kennedy and wounded Governor

Connally were fired from the sixth floor window at the southeast

corner of the Texas School Book Depository.

2. The weight of the evidence indicates that there were three shots

fired.

3. Although it is not necessary to any essential findings of the Commission

to determine just which shot. hit Governor Connally, there is

very persuasive evidence from the experts to indicate that the same

bullet which pierced the President’s throat also caused Governor Connally’s

wounds.

4. The shots which killed President Kennedy and wounded

Governor Connally were fired by Lee Harvey Oswald

5. Oswald killed Dallas Police Patrolman J. D. Tippit approximately

45 minutes after the assassination

6. Within 80 minutes of the assassination and 35 minutes of the

Tippit killing Oswald resisted arrest at the theatre by attempting to

shoot another Dallas police officer.

7. The Commission has reached the following conclusions concerning

Oswald’s interrogation and detention by the Dallas police :

(a) Except for the force required to effect his arrest, Oswald

was not subjected to any physical coercion by any law enforcement

officials. He was advised that he could not be compelled

to give any information and that any statements made by him

might be used against him in court. He was advised of his right

to counsel. He was given the opportunity to obtain counsel of

his own choice and was offered legal assistance by the Dallas Bar

Association, which he rejected at that time.

( Newspaper, radio, and television reporters were allowed

uninhibited access to the area through which Oswald had to pass

when he was moved from his cell to the interrogation room and

other sections of the building, thereby subjecting Oswald to harassment

and creating chaotic conditions which were not conducive to

orderly interrogation or the protection of the rights of the

prisoner.

© The numerous statements, sometimes erroneous, made to

the press by various local law enforcement officials, during this

period of confusion and disorder in the police station, would have

presented serious obstacles to the obtaining of a fair trial for

Oswald. To the extent that the information was erroneous or

misleading, it helped to create doubts, speculations, and fears in

the mind of the public which might otherwise not have arisen.

8. The Commission has reached the following conclusions concerning

the killing of Oswald by Jack Ruby on November 24, 1963

9. The Commission has found no evidence that either Lee Harvey

Oswald or Jack Ruby was part of any conspiracy, domestic or foreign,

to assassinate President Kennedy

10. In its entire investigation the Commission has found no evidence

of conspiracy, subversion, or disloyalty to the U.S. Government by

any Federal, State, or local official

11. On the basis of the evidence before the Commission it concludes

that. Oswald acted alone

12. (f) Within these limitations, however, the Commission finds

that the (SS) agents most immediately responsible for the President’s

safety reacted promptly at the time the shots were fired from the TSBD.

[Glenn Nall]

DJ, tried to PM you, can't get through...

[David Josephs]

DJ, tried to PM you, can't get through...

that's fixed now....