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Hi. I began researching the JFK assassination about two years ago as part of a mid-life crisis influenced decision to better understand our world. I got sucked in. Big time. I am currently finishing up a book which explains my understanding of the physical evidence. As a build-up to the online seminars (strangely, I've been removed from John's list), I thought I'd list some of my conclusions. Feel free to disagree. It is my sincere opinion that, as it now stands , history will record the assassination as a mystery. I do believe, however, that if the research community unites itself and finds focus on the primary evidence, and is able to show how the current official interpretations are almost all wrong, then the Peter Jennings of the world will be forced to notice.

10 CONCLUSIONS THAT MAY CHANGE THE WAY YOU LOOK AT THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION.

1. It’s doubtful there was a shooter behind the stockade fence.
2. There is clear and compelling evidence that not all the shots came from the Texas School Book Depository, however.
3. It’s illogical to believe Kennedy’s wounds were changed.
4. It’s incredibly clear, however, that the interpretations of government experts regarding the president’s wounds were manipulated, and that both the Warren Commission and the HSCA deliberately misrepresented evidence.
5. There is a good chance that Kennedy and Connally were hit by the same bullet, after all.
6. It’s highly, unlikely, however, that this bullet was CE399, often referred to as the “magic bullet.”
7. The doctors who presided over the President’s autopsy were correct when they described an entrance into the President’s skull at the back of his head near his hairline.
8. They were wrong, however, in assuming that this bullet exited from the top of Kennedy’s skull, as this bullet most logically exited from the President’s throat.
9. Oswald was impersonated in Mexico.
10. There’s a good chance, however, this had little to do with the assassination.

10 SURPRISING CONCLUSIONS. (at least for me)

1. The work of Dr. John Lattimer is actually in complete opposition to his conclusions, and is supportive that Kennedy was killed by a conspiracy.
2. Dr. Cyril Wecht, the one member of the HSCA medical panel to disagree with its conclusions, continues to participate in the cover-up of his colleagues’ most egregious misrepresentation of the evidence. (Sorry, Dr. Wecht.) (2015 update: I no longer believe this is true.)
3. There may be an ongoing effort to disguise some of the HSCA testimony and exhibits, and this may involve prominent historians and researchers. (2015 update: I no longer believe this is true.)
4. The NAA evidence, upheld by many as the “proof” of the single-bullet theory, in fact proves nothing, and is actually far more supportive of the possibility that the stretcher bullet and the wrist fragment found in Connally are not related than that they are. (2015 update: I think I understated this. I believe the NAA evidence proves that some "experts" were willing to flat-out lie to support the single-assassin conclusion.)
5. The Zapruder film supports that Kennedy and Connally were hit at the same time, after all. (2015 update: but not necessarily by the same bullet.)
6. Far from being the proof that Kennedy was hit from the front, the “back and to the left” motion of Kennedy’s head after being hit at Zapruder frame 313 is in reality a strong argument he was hit from behind.
7. Recent analysis by the History Channel designed to clear up conspiracy “myths” actually added fuel to the fire that Oswald and Ruby knew each other.
8. “Black Dog Man” was probably an innocent bystander. Similarly, the purported appearance of Secret Service Agents on the knoll directly after the shooting may have an innocent explanation.
9. On the other hand, the army had members of an intelligence unit in Dealey Plaza during the assassination who have never been interviewed or identified. (2015 update: I no longer have this conclusion.)
10. The HSCA’s evidence for a conspiracy, the dictabelt recording which purportedly reveals more than three shots, is as full of holes as their evidence that Oswald fired the shots that killed the President.


10 UNDER-APPRECIATED BITS OF ASSASSINATION TRIVIA.

1. George de Mohrenschildt, Oswald’s best friend, dated Jackie Kennedy’s mother and had known Jackie as a young girl.
2. Michael Paine, who owned the house where Marina Oswald and her daughters were staying, and who once took Oswald to an ACLU meeting, was the son of a well-known socialist; to balance things out, however, his mother had once traveled Europe with Mary Bancroft, a veteran of the OSS and the mistress of CIA Director and Warren Commission member, Allen Dulles.
3. Oswald’s step-father’s attorney in his divorce from Oswald’s mother was Fred Korth. Fred Korth went on to become the Secretary of the Navy, replacing John Connally, whom Oswald had written to in an attempt to get his dishonorable discharge reversed. Korth refused Oswald’s pleas. Just before the assassination, in mid-October 1963, Korth resigned after getting accused of corruption as part of the brewing Bobby Baker scandal. Lyndon Johnson himself would be named as a recipient of bribes on November 22, 1963. By the next day, the whole scandal simmered down.
4. George de Mohrenschildt, Oswald’s best friend, who left Dallas in April, 1963 to go to work for the Haitian dictator Duvalier, as a surveyor of the country’s natural resources, made an appearance in Washington a few weeks later, urging the U.S. military to go in and overthrow his boss.
5. Oswald’s landlady, Earlene Roberts, was the sister of Bertha Cheek, a business acquaintance of Jack Ruby’s who visited Ruby only four days before the assassination. Did Ruby and Oswald know each other? Did Ruby help Oswald find the room? The site of the Tippit killing, a mile from Oswald’s apartment, was directly on the path to Ruby’s apartment, a half mile further down the road.
6. Priscilla Johnson McMillan was the only journalist to interview Oswald when he lived in Russia. She used this connection to get the rights to Marina’s story after the assassination. She then co-wrote the autobiography of the next most famous female Russian émigré, Stalin’s daughter, Svetlana. Where this becomes interesting is that when
NBC tried to lure George de Mohrenschildt back to the U.S. to participate in a program entitled the The Warren Report, a program de Mohrenschildt eventually called a hunt by the government and the media “against a defenseless dead man,” they sent George McMillan, Priscilla’s future husband, down to Haiti, and the de Mohrenschildts received him due to his receiving “a good recommendation from a mutual friend.” Who was this friend? Priscilla?
7. Oswald was in contact with the head of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, but disregarded his orders on how to set up a chapter and ended up discrediting the committee in New Orleans. The head of the committee was Vincent Lee. Ruby had had an ongoing dispute in the 1950’s with a union leader and had threatened the man. This man was also named Vincent Lee. The same man? Lee was one of the few witnesses interviewed by the Warren Commission not asked about his background. (2015 update: I have since discovered that they were not the same man, but two different men named Vincent Lee.)
8. Not a single Mannlicher-Carcano bullet was discovered in Oswald’s rented room. Even stranger, there were none discovered in the Paine’s Garage, where Oswald had supposedly left his rifle for 8 weeks before picking it up the morning of the assassination. He hadn’t fired the weapon in months. And yet the Warren Commission ventured that he planned out the assassination with only four bullets in the clip. Where did he get these bullets? Were they left over from the last time he’d been shooting? How could he have been sure that they were still there? He hadn’t been by the house for more than a week. The Warren Commission theorized he’d decided to kill Kennedy only days before. What if Mrs. Paine, a Quaker, had found the bullets and thrown them away? Was he planning to sneak out to the store on the morning of the assassination? Or was it just good fortune that he still had four bullets and only needed three?
9. Melvin Belli, Ruby’s attorney, had represented mobster Mickey Cohen. Grant Cooper, Sirhan Sirhan’s attorney, was working simultaneously for one of Johnny Rosselli’s co-defendants in the Friar’s Club prosecution, a man who gave Rosselli the money to have a witness rubbed out. Jack Ruby had been the employer of the notorious Candy Barr, an infamous stripper, and Mickey Cohen’s ex-girlfriend. Judge Brown, the judge who convicted Ruby, was also the judge in Candy Barr’s marijuana conviction, and had taken photographs of her in judge’s quarters. Jerry Owen, who admitted to police he’d picked Sirhan up hitch-hiking the day before the assassination, used Slapsie Maxie Rosenbloom as his alibi for the evening of the assassination. Slapsie Maxie Rosenbloom was a business partner of Mickey Cohen’s.
10. Desi Arnaz grew up in the Miami Cuban community, the old money politicos who would eventually back the overthrow of Castro. In Miami, Desi’s best friend was Al Capone, Jr. As an entertainer, Desi was a regular headliner at Ciro’s, a club frequented by Mickey Cohen. In 1957, after the Arnaz-produced show The Untouchables became a hit, Johnny Rosselli set up a hit on Arnaz, due to the show’s negative depiction of Al Capone. The hit was dropped for no known reason. Sirhan Sirhan worked as a workout rider at Desi’s ranch. Coincidence?


Obviously, there are many more pieces of info we can discuss. I hope I've lit a candle in someone's imagination.

Pat

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Larry Hancock has looked into the presence of Military Intelligence in Dealy Plaza and seems convinced that the testimony of Robert Jones was a bunch of hot air, and that there was no military presence. As I based my belief that there was a military presence largely on Jones' testimony, and as I have the utmost respect for Larry, I'm willing to concede that Larry's opinion is far more valid than my own.

Certainly, some of my other conclusions rubbed a few the wrong way. I spent many hours at the UCLA Biomed Library reading forensic journals and looking at autopsy photos and feel quite strongly that virtually the entire research community--LN and CT--has incorrectly interpreted the evidence. I feel passionately that in order to get the mainstream media (and textbook publishers) to accept the truth that Kennedy was killed as a result of a conspiracy, then the evidence must be presented in a rational manner--something more than "all the evidence is fake," or "this pathological xxxx says this is what happened."

So please tell me I'm wrong, so we can discuss the nuts and bolts of the case.

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9. On the other hand, the army had members of an intelligence unit in Dealey Plaza during the assassination who have never been interviewed or identified.

Pat, I note your comments regarding further info from Larry H. I agree; Larry is a difficult man to disagree with, and is deserving of his reputation.

We know for sure one was in the lead car of the motorcade, and another (Powell) just happened to be wandering around. Whether or not others were present, well, I, like you, had accepted Jones' word on that (even though I do believe he lied in other areas). Now, like you I'll defer to Larry.

One other possible consideration though... the 112th MIG Dallas office just happened to be on Elm St... on McWattter's bus route.

2. Michael Paine, who owned the house where Marina Oswald and her daughters were staying, and who once took Oswald to an ACLU meeting, was the son of a well-known socialist

Soon after the assassination, Barry Cohen of the ACLU investigated Oswald's alleged presence at a meeting. His conclusion? Oswald was there as a guest of RUTH PAINE. Cohen was not interviewed by the WC. Instead, they interviewed Greg Olds -- and did not ask him one single question about that meeting! In fact, the ONLY people to put Mike Paine and Oswald together at an ACLU meeting were... Mike Paine and his good friend from Bell, Krank Krystinik. Paine's father, to be more accurate, was a Trotskist who helped split the SWP by helping to form the Forrest-Johnson Tendency.

7. Oswald was in contact with the head of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, but disregarded his orders on how to set up a chapter and ended up discrediting the committee in New Orleans. The head of the committee was Vincent Lee. Ruby had had an ongoing dispute in the 1950’s with a union leader and had threatened the man. This man was also named Vincent Lee. The same man? Lee was one of the few witnesses interviewed by the Warren Commission not asked about his background.

I kind of looked into this once and formed the opinion that they weren't the same person. For starters, the AVGA Lee was of Chinese heritage... the FPCC Lee, I believe, was African-American. I could be wrong...

There were also two Jack Rubinsteins. Both had union connections. One changed his name to Ruby... this caused some problems regarding people wanting to give information, but confusing the two. I belive the DPD files reveal similar confusion re Vincent Lee.

Jack Ruby had been the employer of the notorious Candy Barr, an infamous stripper,

Actually Abe Weinstein was her employer at the Theater Lounge. There is some dispute as to whether she ever stripped at Ruby's. She certainly did not do so at the Carousel, but may have (for a short while) in the late '50s at the Vegas.

Some interesting material, Pat. Thanks

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Hi Greg, thanks for the kinds words. Actually though, if the ARRB had not done some very good homework on this subject it would probably still be a mystery. We can only wonder how much more we would know if they had done similar work on other areas as was done on the 112th and on some of the medical areas by Doug Horne.

One of the positive elements is that the ARRB actually tracked down and interviewed several Dallas 112th personnel including Powell - plus they interviewed Reich who is mentioned in the widespread "stand down" story about the 112th. Powell was of course in DP that day and had taken vacation to view the President's arrival, he used his own camera and when he got trapped in the TSBD they even sent an Army camera down for him to use officially. Powell was the mystery man who began an interview with Brennan also....not an SS person as Brennan thought. The interview was interrupted with Powell got a chance to to in on the TSBD search. One example of Jone's lack of knowledge and reliability is that in one of his interviews he even chides Powell for the lack of a report and not submitting his photos to HQ.....when we have a copy of Powells report to his superior in Dallas about the incident and his reference to taking photos which he had turned over to the FBI at their request.

As I recall there was another on duty member of the 112th in the area that day as he had been at the gun running meeting which was being held after the Masen bust and which was also attended by Hosty....his name escapes me this morning.

The Army officer in the lead car was not from the 112th which was active duty but rather an Army Reserve officer who happened to be a personal friend of Lumpkin (Larry Haapenan did the work on this); he asked his buddy if he could get him into the parade - afterwards it became an embarassment for them both as officially he should not have been there. He is sometimes described as an intelligence officer but that point is an open one and there seems to be no primary

reference for it that anyone has turned up yet. That is a point that could probably be researched in Austin if someone wanted to dig into the Texas Guard and Reserve units and see what Intel detachments/components show up - plus their personnel rosters circa 1963.

-- Larry

-- Larry

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Pat,

8. “Black Dog Man” was probably an innocent bystander. Similarly, the purported appearance of Secret Service Agents on the knoll directly after the shooting may have an innocent explanation.

Ah yes, but on the knoll is not the only location where SS Agents have been reported to have been present.

Steve Thomas

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The Army officer in the lead car was not from the 112th which was active duty but rather an Army Reserve officer who happened to be a personal friend of Lumpkin  (Larry Haapenan did the work on this);  he asked his buddy if he could get him into the parade - afterwards it became an embarassment for them both as officially he should not have been there.  He is sometimes described as an intelligence officer but that point is an open one and there seems to be no primary

reference for it that anyone has turned up yet.  That is a point that could probably be researched in Austin if someone wanted to dig into the Texas Guard and Reserve units and see what Intel detachments/components show up - plus their personnel rosters circa 1963.

Larry,

According to Peter Dale Scott, Lumpkin was a member of the Army Intelligence Reserve. (Deep Politics, p. 274)

Ron

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Hi Ron, yes I'm aware PDS has that but he doesn't give a primary source for the information. There is a long discussion of this on another current thread, possibly on the Lancer forum, at present and the folks looking at the various sources all find the sources to be conspiracy books - it looks like much of it goes back to Gary Shaw.

Unfortunately nobody can find anything that shows where the assertion originates or what primary source record says that. PDS is in Thiland at the moment or I would ask him; if you do run across a primary source I'll try to track down the other thread and share it.

-- Larry

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Ron, you can find the discussion of sources I mentioned on the Lancer

forum; it is on a thread titled:

George Wittenmeyer? (sp)

Still showing on the first page although down at the bottom... Larry

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Hi. I began researching the JFK assassination about two years ago as part of a mid-life crisis influenced decision to better understand our world. I got sucked in. Big time. I am currently finishing up a book which explains my understanding of the physical evidence. As a build-up to the online seminars (strangely, I've been removed from John's list), I thought I'd list some of my conclusions. Feel free to disagree. It is my sincere opinion that, as it now stands , history will record the assassination as a mystery. I do believe, however, that if the research community unites itself and finds focus on the primary evidence, and is able to show how the current official interpretations are almost all wrong, then the Peter Jennings of the world will be forced to notice.

10 CONCLUSIONS THAT MAY CHANGE THE WAY YOU LOOK AT THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION.

1. It’s doubtful there was a shooter behind the stockade fence.

2. There is clear and compelling evidence that not all the shots came from the Texas School Book Depository, however.

3. It’s illogical to believe Kennedy’s wounds were changed.

4. It’s incredibly clear, however, that the interpretations of government experts regarding the president’s wounds were manipulated, and that both the Warren Commission and the HSCA deliberately misrepresented evidence.

5. There is a good chance that Kennedy and Connally were hit by the same bullet, after all.

6. It’s highly, unlikely, however, that this bullet was CE399, often referred to as the “magic bullet.”

7. The doctors who presided over the President’s autopsy were correct when they described an entrance into the President’s skull at the back of his head near his hairline.

8. They were wrong, however, in assuming that this bullet exited from the top of Kennedy’s skull, as this bullet most logically exited from the President’s throat.

9. Oswald was impersonated in Mexico.

10. There’s a good chance, however, this had little to do with the assassination.

10 SURPRISING CONCLUSIONS. (at least for me)

1. The work of Dr. John Lattimer is actually in complete opposition to his conclusions, and is supportive that Kennedy was killed by a conspiracy.

2. Dr. Cyril Wecht, the one member of the HSCA medical panel to disagree with its conclusions, continues to participate in the cover-up of his colleagues’ most egregious misrepresentation of the evidence. (Sorry, Dr. Wecht.)

3. There may be an ongoing effort to disguise some of the HSCA testimony and exhibits, and this may involve prominent historians and researchers.

4. The NAA evidence, upheld by many as the “proof” of the single-bullet theory, in fact proves nothing, and is actually far more supportive of the possibility that the stretcher bullet and the wrist fragment found in Connally are not related than that they are.

5. The Zapruder film supports that Kennedy and Connally were hit at the same time, after all.

6. Far from being the proof that Kennedy was hit from the front, the “back and to the left” motion of Kennedy’s head after being hit at Zapruder frame 313 is in reality a strong argument he was hit from behind.

7. Recent analysis by the History Channel designed to clear up conspiracy “myths” actually added fuel to the fire that Oswald and Ruby knew each other.

8. “Black Dog Man” was probably an innocent bystander. Similarly, the purported appearance of Secret Service Agents on the knoll directly after the shooting may have an innocent explanation.

9. On the other hand, the army had members of an intelligence unit in Dealey Plaza during the assassination who have never been interviewed or identified.

10. The HSCA’s evidence for a conspiracy, the dictabelt recording which purportedly reveals more than three shots, is as full of holes as their evidence that Oswald fired the shots that killed the President.

10 UNDER-APPRECIATED BITS OF ASSASSINATION TRIVIA.

1. George de Mohrenschildt, Oswald’s best friend, dated Jackie Kennedy’s mother and had known Jackie as a young girl.

2. Michael Paine, who owned the house where Marina Oswald and her daughters were staying, and who once took Oswald to an ACLU meeting, was the son of a well-known socialist; to balance things out, however, his mother had once traveled Europe with Mary Bancroft, a veteran of the OSS and the mistress of CIA Director and Warren Commission member, Allen Dulles.

3. Oswald’s step-father’s attorney in his divorce from Oswald’s mother was Fred Korth. Fred Korth went on to become the Secretary of the Navy, replacing John Connally, whom Oswald had written to in an attempt to get his dishonorable discharge reversed. Korth refused Oswald’s pleas. Just before the assassination, in mid-October 1963, Korth resigned after getting accused of corruption as part of the brewing Bobby Baker scandal. Lyndon Johnson himself would be named as a recipient of bribes on November 22, 1963. By the next day, the whole scandal simmered down.

4. George de Mohrenschildt, Oswald’s best friend, who left Dallas in April, 1963 to go to work for the Haitian dictator Duvalier, as a surveyor of the country’s natural resources, made an appearance in Washington a few weeks later, urging the U.S. military to go in and overthrow his boss.

5. Oswald’s landlady, Earlene Roberts, was the sister of Bertha Cheek, a business acquaintance of Jack Ruby’s who visited Ruby only four days before the assassination. Did Ruby and Oswald know each other? Did Ruby help Oswald find the room? The site of the Tippett killing, a mile from Oswald’s apartment, was directly on the path to Ruby’s apartment, a half mile further down the road.

6. Priscilla Johnson McMillan was the only journalist to interview Oswald when he lived in Russia. She used this connection to get the rights to Marina’s story after the assassination. She then co-wrote the autobiography of the next most famous female Russian émigré, Stalin’s daughter, Svetlana. Where this becomes interesting is that when

NBC tried to lure George de Mohrenschildt back to the U.S. to participate in a program entitled the The Warren Report, a program de Mohrenschildt eventually called a hunt by the government and the media “against a defenseless dead man,” they sent George McMillan, Priscilla’s future husband, down to Haiti, and the de Mohrenschildts received him due to his receiving “a good recommendation from a mutual friend.” Who was this friend? Priscilla?

7. Oswald was in contact with the head of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, but disregarded his orders on how to set up a chapter and ended up discrediting the committee in New Orleans. The head of the committee was Vincent Lee. Ruby had had an ongoing dispute in the 1950’s with a union leader and had threatened the man. This man was also named Vincent Lee. The same man? Lee was one of the few witnesses interviewed by the Warren Commission not asked about his background.

8. Not a single Mannlicher-Carcano bullet was discovered in Oswald’s rented room. Even stranger, there were none discovered in the Paine’s Garage, where Oswald had supposedly left his rifle for 8 weeks before picking it up the morning of the assassination. He hadn’t fired the weapon in months. And yet the Warren Commission ventured that he planned out the assassination with only four bullets in the clip. Where did he get these bullets? Were they left over from the last time he’d been shooting? How could he have been sure that they were still there? He hadn’t been by the house for more than a week. The Warren Commission theorized he’d decided to kill Kennedy only days before. What if Mrs. Paine, a Quaker, had found the bullets and thrown them away? Was he planning to sneak out to the store on the morning of the assassination? Or was it just good fortune that he still had four bullets and only needed three?

9. Melvin Belli, Ruby’s attorney, had represented mobster Mickey Cohen. Grant Cooper, Sirhan Sirhan’s attorney, was working simultaneously for one of Johnny Rosselli’s co-defendants in the Friar’s Club prosecution, a man who gave Rosselli the money to have a witness rubbed out. Jack Ruby had been the employer of the notorious Candy Barr, an infamous stripper, and Mickey Cohen’s ex-girlfriend. Judge Brown, the judge who convicted Ruby, was also the judge in Candy Barr’s marijuana conviction, and had taken photographs of her in judge’s quarters. Jerry Owen, who admitted to police he’d picked Sirhan up hitch-hiking the day before the assassination, used Slapsie Maxie Rosenbloom as his alibi for the evening of the assassination. Slapsie Maxie Rosenbloom was a business partner of Mickey Cohen’s.

10. Desi Arnaz grew up in the Miami Cuban community, the old money politicos who would eventually back the overthrow of Castro. In Miami, Desi’s best friend was Al Capone, Jr. As an entertainer, Desi was a regular headliner at Ciro’s, a club frequented by Mickey Cohen. In 1957, after the Arnaz-produced show The Untouchables became a hit, Johnny Rosselli set up a hit on Arnaz, due to the show’s negative depiction of Al Capone. The hit was dropped for no known reason. Sirhan Sirhan worked as a workout rider at Desi’s ranch. Coincidence?

Obviously, there are many more pieces of info we can discuss. I hope I've lit a candle in someone's imagination.

Pat

Some of Speer's most solid work is IMO the systematic analysis based on witness testimony apparently proving a shot at or near frame 190 of the Zapruder film. To my knowledge, no researcher has even attempted to debunk his 190-frame analysis. Speer's work is a careful balance between science and intuition. He is a non-conformist and revolutionary who doesn't go with the flow. His work is much more persuasive to me than that of Fetzer, Lifton and others. I think the future of CT research should revolve around Speer's theories.

There is one little thing however that I have doubts about, Mr. Speer. Do I remember correctly that you once implied that Connally may have known JFK was going to be killed? What makes me reluctant to believe this possibility is the fact that Connally was in the line of fire. Why would he agree to sit in such a risky spot in the limo? Besides, Connally is one of the best 190-frame witnesses. Why would he testify that a shot happened in this location? As far as I know, pretending that a shot occurred at this time was not part of the cover-up.

Finally, I'd like to add that one of your most significant conclusions (although you don't seem to be 100% sure) is that Oswald shot Tippit. I believe I read that in your site. I believe you based that conclusion on analysis of gun powder residue on Oswald's right hand. I read it a couple of years ago so excuse me if I misremember. If I'm right, I think you should include the Tippit bit in your list of conclusions.

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Wow, what a blast from the past. I wrote that after studying the case for a year and a half. I stand by most of it. Some of it I'd forgotten.

The one thing I'd like to take back is my put-down of Wecht. At the time I under-estimated the role peer pressure plays in assassination research and society as a whole. I now consider Wecht's resistance to so many of the heavyweights of his profession remarkable, and quite admirable.

As far as Oswald's killing Tippit, I still suspect that was the case. There are quite a few reasons to suspect as much, IMO, only one of them being that the NAA tests of the paraffin casts identified gsr on his hand casts. But that's a strong suspicion, not really a conclusion.

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Larry & all: Fletcher Prouty refers to the 112th 'stand down' in the latest interview posted online at Black Op Radio with Len Osanic. Perhaps he was the originator of the 'factoid'? I recall several interviews Prouty did in the '90's posted on YouTube where he mentions the 'stand down' but not who instigated it. Oliver Stone referred to it in his JFK movie. Jim Marrs also may have been a source. I've always been interested in learning if this event actually happened on JFK's Texas tour, how many cities it occurred in, who initiated the stand down order & who complied with it. Until it's nailed down as factual it's just another 'factoid' tossed into the mix that confuses the public.

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Brad, probably the best source for how that story emerged is in Prouty's extended interview with the ARRB. That may be online but if not it and a detailed study of the 112th itself, its work, who commanded when etc as well as the ARRB interview and the response to it is available from JFK Lancer on my CD, Keys to the Conspiracy. All the primary documents are there including all the ARRB interviews with former 112th personnel including those from their Dallas field office. It was something both the HSCA and later the ARRB paid a lot of attention to.

I've talked with other people who were stationed at the Fort Worth base who have told me that gossip about the "stand down" was in circulation in the officers club and possibly other places - but only after the fact. In addition, you might check out the documents on the Secret Service planning for the motorcade in which they specifically do not request either assistance from the sheriff's department nor the military. While military units did occasionally provide security, the records show that was primarily on bases or in instances where major metropolitan police forces were not available.

I think its nailed down pretty well with what you find on the CD and with Prouty's interview but you should be able to make your own call with what;s available.

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Thank you Larry & Greg for the info & photo.

As a novice 'hobbyist' following the case since it began, I've long wondered if it was Fletcher Prouty about to or actually talking to the ARRB that was the catalyst for the SS defying the JFK Records Act & destroying its own records, possibly in a last minute CYA to hide that someone within the SS either screwed up & didn't follow protocol for JFK's security in Dallas (and possibly other Texas cities on that ill fated 1963 tour) or intentionally stripped JFK of his non-SS security augmenters. Prouty would have been in an excellent position in the Pentagon to hear things that could be a smoking gun, regardless if he could name names.. To hear Prouty explain it, Presidential security or lack of it doesn't happen by chance. A contingency plan exists & certain military & state personnel are designated in advance to support the SS in Presidential security during state visits; their absence indicates they were told to 'stand down' by someone in authority. The folks missing in Dallas were the people that watched the buildings, windows & crowds & took corrective action immediately for infractions (even stopping the motorcade if necessary). Some would be armed & equipped with radios. Had such augmenters been employed in Dealey Plaza there would have been no open windows & no people loitering behind the stockade fence. The storm drains would have been inspected & their lids taped. Prouty always maintained he was suddenly sent out of country to keep him in the dark about JFK's Texas tour security; upon his return Prouty may have sniffed out via gossip & hearsay the smoking gun in this case & the SS destroyed documentation proving it.

I'd like to read what you have on your CD. It's been a while since I read the ARRB Report & I don't remember much about it. Would Doug Horne have been involved in the area of Prouty's interviews with the ARRB or the destruction of SS records?

One final comment that I made in another thread:both Jesse Curry & Bill Decker were stopped just shy of the triple underpass when the shooting occurred. Decker was a stone's throw from his office on Houston Street. Neither dismounted Curry's Ford Galaxie & ran the few yards up to the knoll fence & pursued anyone shooting from there & then to the TSBD. In today's legal viewpoint, could both be held responsible for dereliction of duty & added to the list of people today's public holds responsible for the wrongful death of JFK? Certainly anyone who stripped JFK of his normal security augmenters as well as the TSBD employers of Lee Oswald would be considered as entities that made the ambush of JFK possible; one failed to provide routine Presidential city visit protection & the other failed to employ security measures to prevent an assassination weapon from being smuggled into the building from which it was allegedly used to murder (regardless if Lee Oswald smuggled the weapon into the TSBD or not).

Edited by Brad Milch

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Wow, what a blast from the past. I wrote that after studying the case for a year and a half. I stand by most of it. Some of it I'd forgotten.

The one thing I'd like to take back is my put-down of Wecht. At the time I under-estimated the role peer pressure plays in assassination research and society as a whole. I now consider Wecht's resistance to so many of the heavyweights of his profession remarkable, and quite admirable.

As far as Oswald's killing Tippit, I still suspect that was the case. There are quite a few reasons to suspect as much, IMO, only one of them being that the NAA tests of the paraffin casts identified gsr on his hand casts. But that's a strong suspicion, not really a conclusion.

I had not been in the forum for a long time so I googled "pat speers education forum" for recent content. Your post was one of the returned items, and had a date of Nov. 13. I just forgot to check the year. Hey, I was only 10 years off! LOL. I was even ready to purchase your "upcoming" book.

Edited by Andric Perez

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