Ramon F. Herrera Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) I found a very important 20+ year old paper. The PDF pages were in sorry shape, with large dark spots, etc. so I decided to restore it, deskew it, added OCR. You can retrieve here, in all its newfound glory: http://patriot.net/~ramon/jfk/The-Head-Wounds-of-John-Kennedy.pdf There is a related web page, in at least two sites: https://home.comcast.net/~ceoverfield/riley.html https://home.comcast.net/~ceoverfield/riley2.html http://jfkhistory.com/riehl/What_Struck_John.html That was the easy part. I have been trying to contact the author, Joseph N. Riley, Ph.D. There is an address, which I located in Google Maps. Tried to call. Nothing. Found the death notice of one of the paper co-authors. I am assuming that the author is no longer with us. My objective is to take the 2 well known autopsy X-rays and project them, as accurately as possible on a 3D model. Where can I find copies of the x-rays, in the best qualify possible? TIA -RFH Edited October 4, 2015 by Ramon F. Herrera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Hay Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) Riley's stuff is strangely overlooked. I've been recommending it to people for years. Did you try the email address at the bottom of "What Struck John?"? (jriley@silverlink.net) Edited September 28, 2015 by Martin Hay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramon F. Herrera Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) Riley's stuff is strangely overlooked. I've been recommending it to people for years. Did you try the email address at the bottom of "What Struck John?"? (jriley@silverlink.net) Yes, Martin. Tried to send him the letter below. Re-reading my e-mail, I guess I was a little presumptuous, preaching to the choir. There I am, trying to convince a neuroanatomy Ph.D. about the advantages of 3D. ======================== Doctor Riley: I just discovered your outstanding site and have some questions and comments. Are you still working on the subject? Would you consider revising the site? I am only referring to the images. You probably saw the movie Harry Potter. Remember the impression when there was a static painting on the wall (or a newspaper with some picture in it), and suddenly the person started to move? It would be great to add that to your website. I recently acquired this model, used by Hollywood studios: https://www.cgstud.io/3d-model/human-skeleton-maya-rigged-38575 I intend to hire a 3D specialist to project the 2 main autopsy x-ray images to a 3D model. For completeness, the only missing part would be an image from upside down, which of course is in practice impossible, so the artist will have to make decisions on his own (or maybe assisted by an expert). Perhaps we could work together? Best regards, -Ramon F Herrera Houston, Texas Edited October 2, 2015 by Ramon F. Herrera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramon F. Herrera Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share Posted October 2, 2015 Background Info: If you have 3 isometric views, you can reconstruct a perfect 3D image: http://patriot.net/~ramon/jfk/Isometric-Views.png The frontal (AP) view was easy in 1963, as well as the lateral. There is no much bone along the route. The problem is the "bird's view" which only became possible with the advent of CAT and related advances in radiology. Bottom Line: The 3D artist will have to work under the guidance of an specialist. Hence my "Desperately Looking Dr. Riley" post. -Ramon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Phelan Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) Update: I managed to locate Dr. Riley for Mr. Herrera, thanks in part to some fortuitous, unrelated, neurology journal articles. As I'm sure Mr. Herrera will be able to disclose in greater detail as his project progresses, Dr. Riley is still very much alive, and sounds interested in this 3D modelling project. For the record, my understanding is that the x-rays should be with the other material at the National Archives second site in College Park, Maryland, but that viewing them requires approval by Kennedy family rep. Paul Kirk. (See the National Archives FAQ here.) Best Regards, Matthew Edited October 3, 2015 by Matthew Phelan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I've read a number of Riley's articles and have watched a video-taped presentation of his from the mid 1990's. I consider him a cautionary tale. While he is obviously brilliant and educated, he got stuck on a bad idea that he couldn't break away from, IMO. And that was his impression the red spot in the back of the head photo was the EOP entrance noted at autopsy. He lost me at that point. He might as well have claimed the driver did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 A question for the head wound obsessives: How many times was JFK shot in the head? &How would you know for sure short of digging up the body? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramon F. Herrera Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) I've read a number of Riley's articles and have watched a video-taped presentation of his from the mid 1990's. I consider him a cautionary tale. While he is obviously brilliant and educated, he got stuck on a bad idea that he couldn't break away from, IMO. And that was his impression the red spot in the back of the head photo was the EOP entrance noted at autopsy. He lost me at that point. Let's clarify the following, Pat: Each one of us has his/her pet theories, correct? The contribution of Doctor Riley will be to provide an accurate, objective 3D model ... upon which we can debate ad infinitum, about our little (*) pet theories. This time, it will be 21st. century style. I intend to assemble this model in improved steps (like the definite solution to the shot, Cliff Varnell): - First, I hired a girl from Mexico, Carolina Andrade. 3D artist. Seems competent. Carolina is all I can afford (and I have a 2nd choice from Cyprus). She will use the model under the directions of Doctor Riley and using the crappy x-ray images that are available. - Next, or rather progressively, if we can get this better funded than my shallow pocket: ( A ) 3D Expert: DreamWorks Superstar Javier Solorsano. He is extremely busy, but I suspect he can be persuaded. I don't think the bigger obstacle will be money. ( B ) X-Rays with Optical Densitometer data provided by Dr. David Mantik (if he ever bothers to reply to my multiple e-mail attempts through Greg Burnham). ( C ) Unless you guys can provide an alternative to Dr Joseph Riley, he stays as leader of the team. We should be grateful that Matt Phelan located him. ( D ) I am the secretary, chief bottle washer (as we say in high tech companies). -Ramon (*) Or huge and true, like mine. :-) ================== References: Javier Solsona: http://www.rigging101.com/authors.htm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3tcFp2eWWw Skeleton Model: https://www.cgstud.io/3d-model/human-skeleton-maya-rigged-38575 Edited October 2, 2015 by Ramon F. Herrera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramon F. Herrera Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) A question for the head wound obsessives: How many times was JFK shot in the head? &How would you know for sure short of digging up the body? There you go, Cliff: http://scicomp.stackexchange.com/questions/20831/need-to-perform-a-computational-fluid-dynamic-simulation-analysis-of-a-human-bra https://www.freelancer.com/contest/Numerical-Analysis-of-the-Detailed-Effects-of-a-Bullet-Passing-Through-a-Human-Cranium-281621.html (Click on "View Brief" and read the "Contest Brief") Plus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6iuVr9V6os The following simulation is terribly important!! Let's see if any of the readers can guess the reason: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBQNnhfZ6CY Never forget that: (1) Science (2) Technology not to mention (3) The Truth are on our side. The other side has NOTHING remotely close. They have the support of the political power, however. For the time being ... -Ramon Edited October 2, 2015 by Ramon F. Herrera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramon F. Herrera Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share Posted October 2, 2015 A question for the head wound obsessives: How many times was JFK shot in the head? &How would you know for sure short of digging up the body? Please don't tell me that you missed this thread, Cliff. http://forum.assassinationofjfk.net/index.php/topic/1725-looking-for-douglas-horne-and-david-mantik/ It is essential reading. :-) -Ramon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I've read a number of Riley's articles and have watched a video-taped presentation of his from the mid 1990's. I consider him a cautionary tale. While he is obviously brilliant and educated, he got stuck on a bad idea that he couldn't break away from, IMO. And that was his impression the red spot in the back of the head photo was the EOP entrance noted at autopsy. He lost me at that point. Let's clarify the following, Pat: Each one of us has his/her pet theories, correct? The contribution of Doctor Riley will be to provide an accurate, objective 3D model ... upon which we can debate ad infinitum, about our little (*) pet theories. This time, it will be 21st. century style. I intend to assemble this model in improved steps (like the definite solution to the shot, Cliff Varnell): - First, I hired a girl from Mexico, Carolina Andrade. 3D artist. Seems competent. Carolina is all I can afford (and I have a 2nd choice from Cyprus). She will use the model under the directions of Doctor Riley and using the crappy x-ray images that are available. - Next, or rather progressively, if we can get this better funded than my shallow pocket: ( A ) 3D Expert: DreamWorks Superstar Javier Solorsano. He is extremely busy, but I suspect he can be persuaded. I don't think the bigger obstacle will be money. ( B ) X-Rays with Optical Densitometer data provided by Dr. David Mantik (if he ever bothers to reply to my multiple e-mail attempts through Greg Burnham). ( C ) Unless you guys can provide an alternative to Dr Joseph Riley, he stays as leader of the team. We should be grateful that Matt Phelan located him. ( D ) I am the secretary, chief bottle washer (as we say in high tech companies). -Ramon (*) Or huge and true, like mine. :-) ================== References: Javier Solsona: http://www.rigging101.com/authors.htm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3tcFp2eWWw Skeleton Model: https://www.cgstud.io/3d-model/human-skeleton-maya-rigged-38575 1. I hope you know Mantik and Riley don't see eye to eye, and that it's doubtful they would ever work together. 2. You also need to keep your eye on Riley. If he starts to push his theory that the red dot in the autopsy photos is the wound measured at autopsy by the EOP, you need to stop listening to him. There's pet theories and there's unhousebroken pet theories, that will get dirt on your shoes. This one is the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 A question for the head wound obsessives: How many times was JFK shot in the head? &How would you know for sure short of digging up the body? Please don't tell me that you missed this thread, Cliff. http://forum.assassinationofjfk.net/index.php/topic/1725-looking-for-douglas-horne-and-david-mantik/ It is essential reading. :-) -Ramon I beg to disagrree. There is nothing "essential" about any of this. Ramon, I asked you a straight-forward question: how many times was JFK shot in the head? I don't feel like wading thru a bunch of stuff that doesn't appear to answer my question. So, in 25 words or less, how many times was JFK shot in the head and how can you know for sure. I don't want another meaningless link, Ramon. Can you just answer the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Ramon: I guess you don't know but Cliff thinks all the head wound stuff is irrelevant because he knows about JFK's shirts. So all of Mantik's work on the head wounds, and Riley's is simply ephemera to him., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) Ramon: I guess you don't know but Cliff thinks all the head wound stuff is irrelevant because he knows about JFK's shirts. So all of Mantik's work on the head wounds, and Riley's is simply ephemera to him., And once again Jim DiEugenio demonstrates his contempt for the physical evidence. Open contempt for the physical evidence in a murder case...Unbelievable... No, Jim, it's much worse than than mere ephemera. It's a study of the cover-up masquerading as a study of the murder. You guys are NOT students of the murder of JFK. You're students of the cover-up. That's why you hold the physical evidence in such contempt. Which, when you get right down to it, is a joke. Mantik puts the back wound at T1! He carries no credibility with me due to that. Edited October 4, 2015 by Cliff Varnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) How many times was JFK shot in the head? Can't say for sure, can we? Was there pre-autopsy surgery to the head? Head Wound Cultists rarely go there -- such a scenario renders all the head wound/s evidence suspect, doesn't it? Is there anything about the head wound/s which would indicate a special ordnance and thus narrow the universe of potential perps? Naw, no way. Is a study of the head wound/s "essential" for making the case for conspiracy? Not in the slightest. The T3 back wound/throat entrance are prima facie proof of conspiracy; it requires no in-depth research to observe the obvious. Isn't it interesting that Head Wound/s Cultists invariably describe the throat wound as an exit, and the back wound high at T1? Like Lone Nutters. Edited October 4, 2015 by Cliff Varnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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