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One Last Thing Before Xmas Eve: 2nd Floor Lunch Room Encounter

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While I recall people in this part of the country commonly saying "coke" for soda, I do also recall them using the term "Coke-Cola" specifically for Coke - sometimes its hard to get the pronunciation because of our accents...grin. Its a purely subjective impression but I it would sometimes go like this - "hey, lets go get something to drink, who wants what - OK that's three Dr. Peppers and two Coke Colas (if you were trying to be a wise guy, otherwise you would just say two Cokes...I knew a few wise guys).

Your observations on the second floor machine machine make perfect sense to me. And I think your comment on Belin is interesting, why not just say soda? Or did he want to generate a generic answer - "yeah, he had a soda pop" for some reason.

Easy to put too much into the wording I suppose, but actually which sort of bottle Oswald was holding might be very important. If he had a Dr Pepper bottle in hand it seems he would have come up from downstairs... if he had a Coke [sic] in hand, there would have to have been sufficient time for him to buy one out of the machine on the second floor before being challenged.

[emphasis added by T. Graves]

Larry,

You and your buddies would actually say "Coke-Cola" instead of "Coke?"

Jesis Maria.

If one of your friends wanted a (brand name) Coca-Cola, would they ask for a "Coca-Cola," a "Coke-Cola," or a "Coke" for cryin' out loud?

I think I understand correctly that in your neck of the woods people would say "Coke-Cola" when they wanted a (brand name) Coke, right? Or was "Coke-Cola" also used to refer to soft drinks in general? I'm so confused...

Were they afraid that if they just asked for a "Coke," people would think they were referring to cocaine? (Just kidding.)

What would they say if they wanted a Dr. Pepper? LOL

Fascinating stuff.

You do realize that, technically, the machine in the second floor lunch room was a (brand name) Coca-Cola machine, not a (brand name) Coke machine?

Do you think that Jewish, Washington D.C.- born and Iowa-raised David Belin said "Coke-Cola" and it got transcribed incorrectly? What about former Kansan, Harry D. Holmes?

Was (brand name) "Coke" even available anywhere in the TSBD? (I don't think so, so maybe this whole "Coke-Cola meant (brand name) Coke in Oswald's case" is a moot point, don't you agree?)

Do you think Oswald might have said "Coke-Cola" to mean (brand name) Dr. Pepper to Holmes and Company, or to anybody for that matter?

What, if anything, do you think Oswald had in his hands when he was confronted by some policeman somewhere in or around the TSBD: 1 ) a Coca-Cola, 2 ) a Dr. Pepper, or 3 ) a hard-to-find Coke?

(I'm talking name brands, here.)

Final question: Where do you think Oswald was when he was confronted by Baker or some other, unnamed, policeman in or around the TSBD?

Thanks,

--Tommy :sun

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...I expect a serious list to counteract...

1- While inside the front lobby, Baker asked Truly where the stairs were (III pp. 221, 249) There is possible evidence to refute this not just from Peggy Hawkins but Truly's statement that they saw no one there. Bart, I am 61 years old. Would you please extend me the common courtesy of citing a reference for these pronouncements? Truly's statement is from his 11/22 FBI statement. There's nothing on Peggy Hawkins in the Warren Volumes. In WCD 897 pp. 35-36 we find that Peggy Hawkins and her small child watched the motorcade from the sidewalk in the vicinity of the Stemmons sign. They ducked behind the retaining wall when they heard shots. And then she probably heard Decker's transmission about getting some men into the railyard from probably Baker's motorcycle radio. She then re-entered the TSBD via the front door and went up to the 3rd floor via the elevator- little doubt here that was the passenger elevator.

So you are out of your tree if you think Peggy Hawkins was in the front lobby in time to see Truly & Baker there.

Truly's statement is interesting; Sean pointed this out. There's no ostensible reason for him to say "They saw no one there"- it's a denial about PrayerMan. But your logic is skewed if you think this Truly-statement refutes Baker, inside the lobby, asking where the stairs were.

Good night. I have done enough work for one day.

Warren Commission Document 897, pp 35-36, just happens to be Peggy Hawkins' statement and, regardless of how many times I read it, I cannot find a SINGLE reference to her standing near the Stemmons Freeway sign.

I don't know why we waste our time on this nut case.

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...I expect a serious list to counteract...

1- While inside the front lobby, Baker asked Truly where the stairs were (III pp. 221, 249) There is possible evidence to refute this not just from Peggy Hawkins but Truly's statement that they saw no one there. Bart, I am 61 years old. Would you please extend me the common courtesy of citing a reference for these pronouncements? Truly's statement is from his 11/22 FBI statement. There's nothing on Peggy Hawkins in the Warren Volumes. In WCD 897 pp. 35-36 we find that Peggy Hawkins and her small child watched the motorcade from the sidewalk in the vicinity of the Stemmons sign. They ducked behind the retaining wall when they heard shots. And then she probably heard Decker's transmission about getting some men into the railyard from probably Baker's motorcycle radio. She then re-entered the TSBD via the front door and went up to the 3rd floor via the elevator- little doubt here that was the passenger elevator.

So you are out of your tree if you think Peggy Hawkins was in the front lobby in time to see Truly & Baker there.

Truly's statement is interesting; Sean pointed this out. There's no ostensible reason for him to say "They saw no one there"- it's a denial about PrayerMan. But your logic is skewed if you think this Truly-statement refutes Baker, inside the lobby, asking where the stairs were.

Good night. I have done enough work for one day.

Warren Commission Document 897, pp 35-36, just happens to be Peggy Hawkins' statement and, regardless of how many times I read it, I cannot find a SINGLE reference to her standing near the Stemmons Freeway sign.

I don't know why we waste our time on this nut case.

Casting aspersions on another EF member again, Ingrate Cowboy Bob?

Tsk, tsk.

Hope you don't get kicked off the forum for that.

You really should be more discrete.

We highly value your opinion around here. ON MANLY GUNS AND BALLISTICS.t

(Thanks for pointing out that the Carcano Model 91/38 carbine allegedly found on the sixth floor probably didn't shoot very accurately with that .264 caliber ammo instead of the intended .268 caliber stuff.)

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?13292-FBI-Evidence-Proves-Oswald-s-Ammunition-was-not-Capable-of-Sufficient-Accuracy-to-Kill-JFK#.VrmbUBgrIdU

--Tommy :sun

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...I expect a serious list to counteract...

1- While inside the front lobby, Baker asked Truly where the stairs were (III pp. 221, 249) There is possible evidence to refute this not just from Peggy Hawkins but Truly's statement that they saw no one there. Bart, I am 61 years old. Would you please extend me the common courtesy of citing a reference for these pronouncements? Truly's statement is from his 11/22 FBI statement. There's nothing on Peggy Hawkins in the Warren Volumes. In WCD 897 pp. 35-36 we find that Peggy Hawkins and her small child watched the motorcade from the sidewalk in the vicinity of the Stemmons sign. They ducked behind the retaining wall when they heard shots. And then she probably heard Decker's transmission about getting some men into the railyard from probably Baker's motorcycle radio. She then re-entered the TSBD via the front door and went up to the 3rd floor via the elevator- little doubt here that was the passenger elevator.

So you are out of your tree if you think Peggy Hawkins was in the front lobby in time to see Truly & Baker there.

Truly's statement is interesting; Sean pointed this out. There's no ostensible reason for him to say "They saw no one there"- it's a denial about PrayerMan. But your logic is skewed if you think this Truly-statement refutes Baker, inside the lobby, asking where the stairs were.

Good night. I have done enough work for one day.

Warren Commission Document 897, pp 35-36, just happens to be Peggy Hawkins' statement and, regardless of how many times I read it, I cannot find a SINGLE reference to her standing near the Stemmons Freeway sign.

I don't know why we waste our time on this nut case.

Casting aspersions on another EF member again, Ingrate Cowboy Bob?

Tsk, tsk.

Hope you don't get kicked off the forum for that.

You really should be more discrete.

I highly value your opinion around here. ON MANLY GUNS AND BALLISTICS, only.

(BTW, Thanks for pointing out that the Carcano Model 91/38 carbine allegedly found on the sixth floor probably didn't shoot very accurately with that .264 caliber ammo instead of the intended .268 caliber stuff.)

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?13292-FBI-Evidence-Proves-Oswald-s-Ammunition-was-not-Capable-of-Sufficient-Accuracy-to-Kill-JFK#.VrmbUBgrIdU

--Tommy :sun

Edited and bumped for Ingrate Cowboy Bob.

Edited by Thomas Graves

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While I recall people in this part of the country commonly saying "coke" for soda, I do also recall them using the term "Coke-Cola" specifically for Coke - sometimes its hard to get the pronunciation because of our accents...grin. Its a purely subjective impression but I it would sometimes go like this - "hey, lets go get something to drink, who wants what - OK that's three Dr. Peppers and two Coke Colas (if you were trying to be a wise guy, otherwise you would just say two Cokes...I knew a few wise guys).

Your observations on the second floor machine machine make perfect sense to me. And I think your comment on Belin is interesting, why not just say soda? Or did he want to generate a generic answer - "yeah, he had a soda pop" for some reason.

Easy to put too much into the wording I suppose, but actually which sort of bottle Oswald was holding might be very important. If he had a Dr Pepper bottle in hand it seems he would have come up from downstairs... if he had a Coke [sic] in hand, there would have to have been sufficient time for him to buy one out of the machine on the second floor before being challenged.

[emphasis added by T. Graves]

Larry,

You seem to be saying you think Oswald was confronted on the second floor.

Regardless, did you and your buddies actually say "Coke-Cola" instead of "Coke?"

Jesis Maria.

If one of your friends wanted a (brand name) Coca-Cola, would they ask for a "Coca-Cola," a "Coke-Cola," or a "Coke" for cryin' out loud?

I think I understand correctly that in your neck of the woods people would say "Coke-Cola" when they wanted a (brand name) Coke, right? Or was "Coke-Cola" also used to refer to soft drinks in general? I'm so confused...

Did they say Coke-Cola because they were they afraid if they just asked for "Coke," people would think they were referring to cocaine? (Just kidding.)

What would they say if they wanted a Dr. Pepper? LOL

Fascinating stuff.

You do realize that, technically, the machine in the second floor lunch room was a (brand name) Coca-Cola machine, not a (brand name) Coke machine?

Do you think that Jewish, Washington D.C.- born and Iowa-raised David Belin said "Coke-Cola" and it got transcribed incorrectly? What about former Kansan, Harry D. Holmes?

Was (brand name) "Coke" even available anywhere in the TSBD? (I don't think so, so maybe this whole "Coke-Cola meant (brand name) Coke in Oswald's case" is a moot point, don't you agree?)

You don't think Oswald said "Coke-Cola" when he was talking about a Dr. Pepper, do you?

What, if anything, do you think Oswald had in his hands when he was confronted by some policeman somewhere in or around the TSBD: 1 ) a Coca-Cola, 2 ) a Dr. Pepper, or 3 ) a hard-to-find Coke?

(I'm talking name brands, here.)

Final question: Where do you think Oswald was when he was confronted by Baker or some other, unnamed, policeman in or around the TSBD around 12:35 on 11/22/63?

Thanks,

--Tommy :sun

Edited and bumped for Larry Hancock.

Edited by Thomas Graves

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2- Truly ran into the swinging door at the will-call counter and Baker bumped into him (222, 249) This was from the re-enactment? Right... Omitting that first line from the First Day Evidence paragraph exposes your sarcasm here as an avoidance ploy.

7- Truly led the way up the stairs (224, 250) A fairy tale at best, you think the building supervisor went ahead of the armed policeman to possibly counter an armed gunman and be 'in the middle' of it. Come on... again apply common sense. Unless Truly was a ninja martial arts specialist or did he carry a piece as well??? Who in their right mind goes ahead of an armed police officer facing a possible armed felon? The fact remains that this is a point of correspondence in their testimonies. Your inexperience shows here, because a lot of people have pointed this out for a lot of years.

8- B&O were just inside the lunchroom area (225, 250) Oswald was sitting at the table? Standing near the coke machine? Standing against the kitchen counter? In the doorway? Where exactly? Exactly 2-3 feet inside the lunchroom. When you abandon your sarcasm you will calm down and think more clearly.

9- Baker was facing Oswald (225, 250) This and the next four points have no merit since it is abundantly clear the 2nd floor lunchroom encounter was a hoax. Throwing in the towel? What is abundantly clear is that the hoaxers' best arguments fail against the aggregate.

11- Baker left immediately (225, 251) Baker claimed he left immediately when he got down to the 1st floor as well which is a lie since we have him in the Alyea film quacking with Truly and others. Yet that is what he stated in his testimony... so leaving the 2nd fl lunchroom can be doubted as well. You are understanding that immediately means different lengths of time, and depends on the circumstances- it's a colloquial term.

12- Oswald was calm & collected (225, 252) Their words... And whose words were you expecting? This is a bit like the anarchist cop-out- demanding a revolution but having no idea what to replace the existing government with.

13- Oswald had no change of expression as Baker's gun was close to him (225, 252) The point being? And again their words just to make him look like the calm and collected killer he was... oh sure. Nonetheless, regardless of their motive, this was a point of correspondence in each man's testimony.

And Dorothy Garner's deposition would have enforced Victoria Adams' contention that she ran downstairs after the 3rd shot. Which she did That would have raised questions about Adams' timeline vs. Oswald's timeline, and then called for an Adams re-enactment. Thus no Garner deposition. Oswald was on the 1st floor... and never went past Garner/Adams... not involving her in the re-enactment is negligent at best. It's not clear who you are referring to. Adams, I presume. And omitting her re-enactment was one of numerous ploys by the Commission, leaving ambiguities unresolved and thereby darkening the truth.

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5) The Biffle story has not one whit of corroboration, nothing that substantiates it as supporting a hoax

And you challenge this by showing a Nov. 22 article with an Ochus Campbell quote in the New York Herald Tribune, without a by-line, that has the exact same words as Biffle's article in the Dallas Morning News on Nov. 23rd?!! I suggest you re-read both articles again and there is only to conclude that they are NOT THE EXACT SAME WORDS. This is either an attempt to mislead the readers or a bad mistake on your part.

From the New York Herald Tribune-

- Mr. Campbell said, "Shortly after the shooting we raced back into the building. We had been outside watching the parade. We saw him (Oswald) in a small storage room on the ground floor. Then we noticed he was gone." -

From the Dallas Morning News-

- "Shortly after the shooting we raced back into the building. We had been outside watching the parade. We saw him (Oswald) in a small storage room on the ground floor. Then we noticed he was gone." -

The Herald Tribune article adds a further quote from Campbell, which is not included in the Morning News. But your reading comprehension skills are taken to the task again here, Bart.

Q- What has the exact same words as Biffle's article?

A- an Ochus Campbell quote in the Herald Tribune.

The fact that the Herald Tribune article adds an additional quote from Campbell does not make it corroboration. Both articles originated from the same source.

The additional quote, for our readers, is- Mr. Campbell added, "Of course Oswald and the others were on their lunch hour but he did not have permission to leave the building and we haven't seen him since." -

So you make a false accusation, Bart, that I have to go through the labor of defending myself against. John Barleycorn got the best of your reading comprehension skills?

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You seem to be saying you think Oswald was confronted on the second floor.

....no, not necessarily, what I'm saying is that if he were confronted in the break room and holding a Dr. Pepper bottle he had brought it up from the first floor not running down the

stairs from the sixth, buying it out of the Coke machine and then being confronted....a scenario I've always been skeptical about...

Regardless, did you and your buddies actually say "Coke-Cola" instead of "Coke?"

.....I didn't but I recall several folks doing so, can't say why or how widespread it was....probably some were just wise cracking with it as I said in the post...

Jesis Maria.

If one of your friends wanted a (brand name) Coca-Cola, would they ask for a "Coca-Cola," a "Coke-Cola," or a "Coke" for cryin' out loud?

.....could have been any of them giventhe time, circumstances and who they were talking to....personally I would have said "coke", but I was a teen at the time and teens

often play with words to show off...

I think I understand correctly that in your neck of the woods people would say "Coke-Cola" when they wanted a (brand name) Coke, right? Or was "Coke-Cola" also used to refer to soft drinks in general? I'm so confused...

.....yes, "coke" was generically used for sodas....when I started college I recall the student handbook talking about getting acquainted with new friends by asking a girl out on a "coke date"....it was a simpler time back then...

Did they say Coke-Cola because they were they afraid if they just asked for "Coke," people would think they were referring to cocaine? (Just kidding.)

.....no, not a chance....

What would they say if they wanted a Dr. Pepper? LOL

....Dr Pepper.....

Fascinating stuff.

You do realize that, technically, the machine in the second floor lunch room was a (brand name) Coca-Cola machine, not a (brand name) Coke machine?

.....yeah, that's pretty clear in the photo

Do you think that Jewish, Washington D.C.- born and Iowa-raised David Belin said "Coke-Cola" and it got transcribed incorrectly? What about former Kansan, Harry D. Holmes?

.....have no idea, and I think this gets into an area where way too much can be made out of word choices...

Was (brand name) "Coke" even available anywhere in the TSBD? (I don't think so, so maybe this whole "Coke-Cola meant (brand name) Coke in Oswald's case" is a moot point, don't you agree?)

.....have no idea where this question is going, as far as I know there were only two soda machines in the TSBD?

You don't think Oswald said "Coke-Cola" when he was talking about a Dr. Pepper, do you?

.....have no idea but generally Dr. Pepper drinkers would be pretty specific because if they did not ask for a Dr. Pepper by name they would likely get a coke.

What, if anything, do you think Oswald had in his hands when he was confronted by some policeman somewhere in or around the TSBD: 1 ) a Coca-Cola, 2 ) a Dr. Pepper, or 3 ) a hard-to-find Coke?

(I'm talking name brands, here.)

.....Seems like this is moving into an area of humor (hard to find Coke?) so I'll just pass on this question.....

Final question: Where do you think Oswald was when he was confronted by Baker or some other, unnamed, policeman in or around the TSBD around 12:35 on 11/22/63?

.....I certainly think Oswald was confronted on the first floor - exactly when and how many times by different officers is unclear to me. I've always had questions about the second floor encounter and I've never thought

the timing worked as the official story gives it. Personally I think its an open question and much like exactly who shot from where is something that will never be fully resolved at this late date. Beyond that, I never

have and probably never will buy into the official WC shooting scenario with Oswald on the sixth floor behind the cartons and showing up in the second floor with a soda in his hands according to the timing offered in the WC

report.

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6) ...I gave them 14 seconds per flight in Inside Job (14 seconds doing a flight? What are you on...) --You're the one who gave them a few seconds to descend the tiny stairs. Again you miss the point- the time estimate presented in Inside Job complied with Adams' own estimate, in order to demonstrate that she exaggerated her speed somewhat.--

The real time was probably approx. 18 seconds per flight. In any case, in order for Adams & Styles to get out of the warehouse unnoticed, you have to add an unnaturally-long pause to Truly & Baker's time in the lobby ...Three floors in 42 seconds!!! --Actually, it's three floors in 38 seconds, since there's no 1st-floor landing to cross. Please look at Inside Job pp. 27-29.--

They never mentioned such a pause, and there were other people in the lobby and they never mentioned seeing Truly & Baker lingering. No Truly said they saw no one there which is iffy to say the least. There were plenty of people in the lobby as described in Baker's affidavit and in their testimonies. Previously we've noted that Truly's "They saw no one there" is probably a denial of PrayerMan- this was Sean's insight.

Has it ever occurred to you that the whole episode of Baker entering the TSBD with or without Truly and them going through the shipping department and so on is clouded in mystery? The dichotomy with or without Truly likely resulted from PrayerMan being in the corner. I highly doubt Baker was ever aware of the significance of that. And their timing through the warehouse definitely got clouded so as to enable Oswald to imaginarily flee the sniper's nest.

I'd like to introduce Geneva Hine's remarks which you are well aware of which put Reid's story in serious doubt. The lunchroom encounter is a distinct entity from Reid's story about an encounter with Oswald in the office. i.e. the lunchroom encounter does not depend on whether all of Reid's story is true or not. Geneva Hine gave a sharply-defined testimony and her contradiction of Reid has given me the same problems almost all CTers go through, attempting to picture what happened after the lunchroom encounter. That stopwatch business, Reid rehearsing the 2 minutes with Belin, seems contrived.

I have concluded Charles Givens for the most part lied, testifying solo, and would not dismiss the possibility that Mrs. Reid for the most part lied. Nor should we attribute 100% perfect recall to Geneva- she may have been busy at her desk and simply missed the brief Oswald-Reid interaction. 100% recall was attributed to Arnold Rowland with misleading results.

There is also the possibility that Oswald avoided the office and left by the hallway, which to my knowledge has not been explored.

In any case, because we don't have the answer as regards the post-lunchroom scenario, does not mean that a lunchroom hoax occurred. They are distinct entities.

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In sum-

1) You have not introduced any evidence that does not have a mundane explanation supporting the lunchroom incident's reality. This is a glaring situation which disposes the observer to conclude that the incident indeed took place.

2) You have not offered a hoax-supportive explanation that accounts for Baker crossing out "or third floor" in his Sept. 23rd affidavit

3) Your hypothesis necessarily accuses Baker of telling a monstrous lie in a filmed 1964 interview and in filmed 1986 testimony, without a single tangible indication of deceit. This from a man with a 6th-grade education, and with no professional training as an actor.

4) Asking for a serious list to back up my claims that there are numerous points of correspondence in the Truly-Baker testimonies, you ridicule it when it is presented to you. These points of correspondence are a very strong indicator that their testimonies are true (about their experiences at the elevator and in the lunchroom) and the telltale common thread- the will-call counter bump- is supported by a line that you omitted from First Day Evidence.

5) You falsely imply corroboration to the Kent Biffle piece about Oswald being seen in a 1st-floor storage room- and no corroboration means almost certainly that this piece was garbled hearsay.

6) You do not present any evidence-supported, or rationally-postulated, reason for Truly & Baker to pause in the front lobby, long enough for Adams & Styles to escape the warehouse unnoticed.

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Those whom God wishes to destroy, he first drives mad

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Garbage in, garbage out, Richard.

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Larry,

"I think I understand correctly that in your neck of the woods people would say "Coke-Cola" when they wanted a (brand name) Coke, right? Or was "Coke-Cola" also used to refer to soft drinks in general? I'm so confused..." -- Graves

".....yes, "coke" was generically used for sodas...." -- Hancock

Sorry, Larry, but that's not what I was asking. I was asking if the slang expression "Coke-Cola" was used to refer to soft drinks in general.

"Was (brand name) Coke even available anywhere in the TSBD? (I don't think so, so maybe this whole "Coke-Cola meant (brand name) Coke in Oswald's case" is a moot point, don't you agree?)" -- Graves

".....have no idea where this question is going, as far as I know there were only two soda machines in the TSBD?" -- Hancock

OK, based on the assumption there were only two soft drink machines in the building, I'll rephrase the question: Do you think it was possible to buy a brand-name Coke (not to be confused with a brand name Coca-Cola) in the building?

Which leads right into the final question:

If so (i.e., that brand name Coke was available in the TSBD), which do you think Oswald was drinking: A Coke, a Coca-Cola, or a Dr. Pepper? Feel free to speculate at will. Let yourself go, Larry. I promise not to quote you on it. (Fingers crossed behind back)

Thanks,

--Tommy :sun

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...You seem really interested in this Tommy so I'll give it another shot..

"I think I understand correctly that in your neck of the woods people would say "Coke-Cola" when they wanted a (brand name) Coke, right? Or was "Coke-Cola" also used to refer to soft drinks in general? I'm so confused..." -- Graves

".....yes, "coke" was generically used for sodas...." -- Hancock

Sorry, Larry, but that's not what I was asking. I was asking if the slang expression "Coke-Cola" was used to refer to soft drinks in general.

.....no, "coke", small capital c was used, as in the "coke date" I mentioned...and if the girl agreed she could have whatever soda she wanted...

"Was (brand name) Coke even available anywhere in the TSBD? (I don't think so, so maybe this whole "Coke-Cola meant (brand name) Coke in Oswald's case" is a moot point, don't you agree?)" -- Graves

".....have no idea where this question is going, as far as I know there were only two soda machines in the TSBD?" -- Hancock

OK, based on the assumption there were only two soft drink machines in the building, I'll rephrase the question: Do you think it was possible to buy a brand-name Coke (not to be confused with a brand name Coca-Cola) in the building?

.....wow, not following you at all but obviously if you purchased a "soda" from the "Coca-Cola" branded machine...as reflected on the machine's name in photos...then you had a brand named "Coke"...unless

of course someone cunningly restocked the machine with different brands, something that would make the machine operator unhappy I suspect...

Which leads right into the final question:

If so (i.e., that brand name Coke was available in the TSBD), which do you think Oswald was drinking: A Coke, a Coca-Cola, or a Dr. Pepper? Feel free to speculate at will. Let yourself go, Larry. I promise not to quote you on it. (Fingers crossed behind back)

.......well given that Oswald (if I recall correctly) is on record as preferring Dr. Pepper, I would speculate that was what he bought and had in his hand....purchased from the machine on the first floor. Now if that machine were empty or if he felt especially adventurous that day, maybe he went upstairs to get a Coke. Even us dedicated Dr. Pepper drinkers go wild on occasion. I don't think he ran downstairs and rushed thorough the door and bought a Coke as an alibi....just my opinion of course. I'm not sure about your continued differentiation of Coke and Coca Cola, they were treated as one in the same, just a matter of personal expression. Of course since no bottle from the break room was taken into evidence and the bottle that was ...from either the fifth or sixth floor, depending on whether or not you belveve Alyea apparently was not tested for prints (which if it was from the sixth floor seems like a huge oversight...I mean, prints from cardboard boxes but no print from a bottle found in the area of the so called snipers nest?).

......and if anyone is joining this forum for the first time and this dialog seems sort of obsessive....you're probably right...

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