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1 hour ago, Steve Thomas said:

Michael,

 

I'm not sure this is directed at me, but I'm sorry. I don't remember this. Old age, I guess. Do you remember the topic?

 

Steve Thomas

Hello Steve,

Yes. I thought that it was in one of your recent posts with regard to Oswald in Miami, Alabama, in the fall of 1963 etc. I remember reading about about a meeting that included Elliott Roosevelt. The meeting also included, I think, Phillips. I got diverted and read some interesting pieces. I wanted to share them in context with the original thread but I cannot find that thread now.

It might not have been one of your threads. Thanks for your response. 

The post was definitely within the last two months.

Again, thanks for your reply, and as always, thanks for your contributions.

 

Cheers,

 

Michael

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2 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

Hello Steve,

Yes. I thought that it was in one of your recent posts with regard to Oswald in Miami, Alabama, in the fall of 1963 etc. I remember reading about about a meeting that included Elliott Roosevelt. The meeting also included, I think, Phillips. I got diverted and read some interesting pieces. I wanted to share them in context with the original thread but I cannot find that thread now.

It might not have been one of your threads. Thanks for your response. 

The post was definitely within the last two months.

Again, thanks for your reply, and as always, thanks for your contributions.

 

Cheers,

 

Michael

Michael,

 

I'm sorry. I'm drawing a blank.

Here's the two threads about Alabama and Miami, but there's no mention of Roosevelt:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24633-oswald-in-alabama/

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24646-oswald-in-miami/

I tried a Google search combining Elliott Roosevelt and Roosevelt, but nothing turned up.

 

Steve Thomas

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Michael,

 

I'm sorry. I'm drawing a blank.

Here's the two threads about Alabama and Miami, but there's no mention of Roosevelt:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24633-oswald-in-alabama/

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24646-oswald-in-miami/

I tried a Google search combining Elliott Roosevelt and Roosevelt, but nothing turned up.

 

Steve Thomas

 

 

 

Steve, I've begun to wonder if you weren't supposed to draw a blank as a distraction to kill the thread.  

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1 hour ago, Ron Bulman said:

Steve, I've begun to wonder if you weren't supposed to draw a blank as a distraction to kill the thread.  

That was not my intent. I apologize for butting-in. 

And Ron, you could have just carried-on with the discussion.

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23 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Hit List reaffirmed my memory.  Not a lot of info available on Pritchett but she was supposedly suffering from Leukemia and died suddenly of a cerebral hemorrhage the day after Killagen.  I never knew cerebral hemorrhage's were associated with Leukemia.  It's most often associated with Head Trauma.  What a unusual circumstance or strange coincidence given the timing, the questionable circumstances of Dorothy's death and the disappearance of her Ruby interview/notes/files.

 https://www.webmd.com/brain/brain-hemorrhage-bleeding-causes-symptoms-treatments#1 

Where were we.....?

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17 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

Where were we.....?

 

This is where we were, from the beginning. . .

Steve was interested in writing an essay on women who had heard about, or spoken of, an assassination attempt on JFK before it happened and had told someone about it.  He gave us a list of five names for starters.

One of the women on that list was Elizabeth Cole.  Steve then provided us with a Mary Ferrell Foundation link concerning her.

Yet Steve doesn't link us to additional, relevant information on Ms. Cole that he most certainly knows about firsthand.

Elizabeth Cole was an intriguing person.  And the story she told equally so.  Same with the FBI/Secret Service handling of it.  Steve could write his essay just on her alone.

Ken
 

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7 hours ago, Ken Rheberg said:

 

This is where we were, from the beginning. . .

Steve was interested in writing an essay on women who had heard about, or spoken of, an assassination attempt on JFK before it happened and had told someone about it.  He gave us a list of five names for starters.

One of the women on that list was Elizabeth Cole.  Steve then provided us with a Mary Ferrell Foundation link concerning her.

Yet Steve doesn't link us to additional, relevant information on Ms. Cole that he most certainly knows about firsthand.

Elizabeth Cole was an intriguing person.  And the story she told equally so.  Same with the FBI/Secret Service handling of it.  Steve could write his essay just on her alone.

Ken
 

While not exactly an essay  there is this...

 

Edited by Ron Bulman

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8 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

While not exactly an essay  there is this...

 

Ron,

 

Yeah, I took this as far as I knew how at the time.

 

On a side note, the Jesuit connection is an interesting one in light of the fact that it was a Jesuit college in Alabama that Oswald went to talk to in July of 1963.

I still wish we had a photograph of Fermin De Goicochea.

PS: Lee Farley was a good researcher.

 

Steve Thomas

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18 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Ron,

 

Yeah, I took this as far as I knew how at the time.

 

On a side note, the Jesuit connection is an interesting one in light of the fact that it was a Jesuit college in Alabama that Oswald went to talk to in July of 1963.

I still wish we had a photograph of Fermin De Goicochea.

PS: Lee Farley was a good researcher.

 

Steve Thomas

I miss the posts of James Richards, hope he's still well.

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Steve

Don't forget Ruth Paine and Marina Prusakova ... plus Priscilla McMillan 

 

Gene

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On 3/8/2018 at 3:50 AM, Steve Thomas said:

Ron,

 

Yeah, I took this as far as I knew how at the time.

 

On a side note, the Jesuit connection is an interesting one in light of the fact that it was a Jesuit college in Alabama that Oswald went to talk to in July of 1963.

I still wish we had a photograph of Fermin De Goicochea.

PS: Lee Farley was a good researcher.

 

Steve Thomas

 

Steve,

It was Lee Forman, not Lee Farley.  Farley was also a Forum member in those days, he just wasn't on that old Elizabeth Cole thread.  I used to confuse the two myself.

To Steve and everyone else, don't let these two threads die.  The conclusions about Cole back then were, at the very least, shaky on the surface for a number of reasons.

Ken.

Edited by Ken Rheberg

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1 hour ago, Ken Rheberg said:

 

Steve,

It was Lee Forman, not Lee Farley.  Farley was also a Forum member in those days, he just wasn't on that old Elizabeth Cole thread.  I used to confuse the two myself.

To Steve and everyone else, don't let these two threads die.  The conclusions about Cole back then were, at the very least, shaky on the surface for a number of reasons.

Ken.

Ken,

 

Geez. I did say Farley, didn't I?

Lee, I hope you never see this.

 

Ken, I never was able to nail the Elizabeth Cole story down. There was a Conference when she said there was, and at the place she said it was at; so that lent some credibility to her story.

For me, it hinged on whether she called the FBI or not when she got back. The FBI has no record of her call, but that's no guarantee either, is it?

 

The Senator Raymond Baker her mother was supposed to have contacted... It looks like he was trying to get investigations going into mob connections to the Las Vegas casinos.

If you go to Lee's post, he refers back to other topics relating to Billie Sol Estes and Sherman Moody.

Quote, "RFK was apparently going to open an investigation into the numerous accounts of fraud in the Insurance game, all connected to the casinos and hotels being built by certain Mob associated individuals - thanks to Senator Raymond Baker's prodding - but before he could get anything going....JFK was eliminated."

Interesting.

 

Steve Thomas

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I found an interesting article about Marita Lorenz in The Daily Beast.  She claims she was once pregnant with Castro's child.  She says the child's name was Andre and someone told her that he had become a doctor.  Supposedly he's the picture of Fidel himself.  When she was 7 months pregnant she claims that she was drugged and when she woke up the pregnancy was gone.  Either she had an abortion, or miscarried or the premature baby was stolen.  Her son from an American man is searching for his brother Andre.   

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-search-for-fidel-castros-love-child?ref=scroll

 

 

 

 

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Steve,

I might add Madeleine Brown (LBJ's mistress) to be included on this list, since she is on record regarding what LBJ said at the Murchison party on 11/21, along the lines of "after tomorrow those SOB's won't embarrass me anymore".

Thanks

Rick

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On ‎2‎/‎21‎/‎2016 at 7:49 AM, Steve Thomas said:

Someday I'd like to write an essay about the women of JFK.

No, I'm not talking about the Marilyn Monroe's or the Judith Campbell's or Mary Pinchot Meyer's; I'm talking about the Marita Lorentz's, the Rose Cheramie's, the Elizabeth Cole's; the Lillian Spingler's, the Sylvia Odio's; the women who spoke of an assassination attempt before it happened.

I think men had the habit of a priori speaking of it because, either (a) women were beneath notice, or (B) men were trying to puff themselves up or making them selves bigger in the womens' eyes.

As Lillian Spingler said, "...that at that point, she felt that this individual was seeking attention"

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10649#relPageId=5&tab=page

It would make an interesting essay don't you think?

Steve Thomas

Steve,

Yes.  Jackie used to leave the White House every Thursday and wouldn't return until Monday morning.  This gave JFK plenty of time to fool around on his wife.  His wife, however, was not innocent in all of this.  She fooled around on her husband.  Actually, the worst person in a position of influence was worse than both of these and that was Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.  He was an incredible womanizer.  Yet, no one wants to bring that up when Dr. Martin Luther King Day is celebrated.  We have to keep our thoughts about that to ourselves lest be we labeled as racist.

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