"Bush killed Kennedy"

[Al Carrier]

Wim,

The idea that Files was asked to be the backup shooter, to choose the location and the weapon at around 10:30 that morning is not sloppy; it's unbelievable.

Tim

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Tim,

It does not sound plausible, I agree. But you have to keep in mind that opposite forces were at work that day.  Roselli was originally scheduled to be a shooter, then he came in on an abort team and was afraid to go ahead. 

Nicoletti needed a replacement for him. Also, don't forget Files was not supposed to shoot, He was to be only backup. You could even argue that the sloppiness of the other shooters in the Plaza, caused Files to shoot.  in a way, the sloppiness of the operation clinched it.

If you believe the abort team of Tosh, then you can also appreciate the possibility for  last minute decisions.

Lastly, if it is so unbelievable, why would Files make it up? If Files is a xxxx, don't you think he himself has considered that this is "unbeliavable"? Don't you think he would have woven a more believable tale?  Have you thought about that?  Most people that say Files is a hoax, at least agree that he is a rather clever hoax. Do you think he is not only a hoax, but a dumb hoax too?

In effect, what you're saying is that if Files would have lied by saying he was supossed to be one of the shooters right from the start, he would have been more believable.

Anyway, my answer to that is that if you're telling the truth, you can't make it more believable than it was, it's just a pity that it is "unbelievable" for many.  But then again, there was also a time nobody believed the earth was round!

Wim

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So in other words Wim, the more outrageous the claim, the more believeable it is? To respond to your last paragraph, the difference in believing the Files Story today and comparing it to those who did not believe the earth was round, is simply that nobody had sailed beyond to prove it was round at the time. I believe that says it all.

To believe that the assassination was set up to have the former (Roselli) and current (Nicoletti) mafia liaison to the Cuban Operation fire on the president in DP is rediculous. They were high profile in the FBI and CIA and to take a chance on photos or films or witness ID's of them getting into the wrong hands is not an acceptable risk. Not to mention there were far better and much less to non-existant profile individuals who would have been chosen. And then to have Files step to the plate at the last minute to fill in defies all principles of a planned operation. And considering this is the assassination of the sitting president, this would be a planned operation on the part of the assassins. If it came apart, then the opportunity would go by the wayside. Nobody with any experience in this would rush a poor opportunity.

In regards to your issues on another thread about Files have three attempts on his life prior to going to prison, this should tell everyone that these attempts were not in conjunction with shutting him up, as they would not be attempts. He would simply disappear. And to get to him in prison would be child's play. He would simply be found hanging from his own underwear in his cell and be written off as a suicide. But the message would be clear to those who needed to hear it.

We must get beyond the amatuerish issues of Anti-Castro Cubans and Mafia hit men to see what forces were at work in DP and why we are spinning our wheels now.

I cannot and never will be able to begin to prove who specifically fired the shots in DP as it is beyond reach. The shooters existance ceased along time ago. But I can see WHAT was involved here as it was present long before and still long after.

As far as your question as to the Mexican Covert Op in '67 that went bad, I have no direct knowlege as I was too young then and do not recall hearing any reference to it later, unless Tosh (Who was operational then) can refresh my memory with some details.

Al

[Al Carrier]

Wim,

The idea that Files was asked to be the backup shooter, to choose the location and the weapon at around 10:30 that morning is not sloppy; it's unbelievable.

Tim

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Tim,

It does not sound plausible, I agree. But you have to keep in mind that opposite forces were at work that day.  Roselli was originally scheduled to be a shooter, then he came in on an abort team and was afraid to go ahead. 

Nicoletti needed a replacement for him. Also, don't forget Files was not supposed to shoot, He was to be only backup. You could even argue that the sloppiness of the other shooters in the Plaza, caused Files to shoot.  in a way, the sloppiness of the operation clinched it.

If you believe the abort team of Tosh, then you can also appreciate the possibility for  last minute decisions.

Lastly, if it is so unbelievable, why would Files make it up? If Files is a xxxx, don't you think he himself has considered that this is "unbeliavable"? Don't you think he would have woven a more believable tale?  Have you thought about that?  Most people that say Files is a hoax, at least agree that he is a rather clever hoax. Do you think he is not only a hoax, but a dumb hoax too?

In effect, what you're saying is that if Files would have lied by saying he was supossed to be one of the shooters right from the start, he would have been more believable.

Anyway, my answer to that is that if you're telling the truth, you can't make it more believable than it was, it's just a pity that it is "unbelievable" for many.  But then again, there was also a time nobody believed the earth was round!

Wim

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So in other words Wim, the more outrageous the claim, the more believeable it is? To respond to your last paragraph, the difference in believing the Files Story today and comparing it to those who did not believe the earth was round, is simply that nobody had sailed beyond to prove it was round at the time. I believe that says it all.

To believe that the assassination was set up to have the former (Roselli) and current (Nicoletti) mafia liaison to the Cuban Operation fire on the president in DP is rediculous. They were high profile in the FBI and CIA and to take a chance on photos or films or witness ID's of them getting into the wrong hands is not an acceptable risk. Not to mention there were far better and much less to non-existant profile individuals who would have been chosen. And then to have Files step to the plate at the last minute to fill in defies all principles of a planned operation. And considering this is the assassination of the sitting president, this would be a planned operation on the part of the assassins. If it came apart, then the opportunity would go by the wayside. Nobody with any experience in this would rush a poor opportunity.

In regards to your issues on another thread about Files have three attempts on his life prior to going to prison, this should tell everyone that these attempts were not in conjunction with shutting him up, as they would not be attempts. He would simply disappear. And to get to him in prison would be child's play. He would simply be found hanging from his own underwear in his cell and be written off as a suicide. But the message would be clear to those who needed to hear it.

We must get beyond the amatuerish issues of Anti-Castro Cubans and Mafia hit men to see what forces were at work in DP and why we are spinning our wheels now.

I cannot and never will be able to begin to prove who specifically fired the shots in DP as it is beyond reach. The shooters existance ceased along time ago. But I can see WHAT was involved here as it was present long before and still long after.

As far as your question as to the Mexican Covert Op in '67 that went bad, I have no direct knowlege as I was too young then and do not recall hearing any reference to it later, unless Tosh (Who was operational then) can refresh my memory with some details.

Al

[Pamela Ray]

The previous post should be noticed: It takes one to know one. This was a well planned hit and did not just pop to the surface overnight; an operation ran by a few 'good old buddy' type personal who just decided one day to kill a President because they were pissed. Covert OPS don't work that way.These assault teams, three in all were "shadow personal" to be used once and then past into the voids of lost and none existence operations. There was or is a world out there that the average 8 to 5 personal can even begun to comprehend. We have to look beyond the norm and forget the land of names and faces. These assassins were a special breed. A hit and disappear team; a team drifting through that plaza much like a vapor. Years later these same type teams used to prowl the jungles of southeast Asia and Central America. To find them is like chasing a shadow. By the time you see their hit, they are gone and your left scratching your head wondering which way they went. Thats 'Black Ops" Its a specialty. Some take pride in it even today.

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http://www.newsgarden.org/columns/bush&jfk.shtml

BUSH & THE ASSASSINATION OF JFK

THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION: THE NIXON-BUSH CONNECTION

by Paul Kangas

This is an older article but deserves attention.

In Daniel Hopsicker’s Barry & ‘the boys’ The CIA, The Mob and America's Secret History, c2001, Hopsicker’s research substantiates many “outrageous” claims this article puts forth. I can give page numbers from his book if it is helpful for researchers. It is obvious to me Bush and Nixon had a large part in the assassination and cover-up.

In response to what Tosh posted, here you have a mini biography of James Files life.

Exposing this ongoing behavior to the public is why we are trying to publish To Kill A Country. Lawsuits and ongoing FBI problems continue to be the reason our book is not in print and out to the public.

[Wim Dankbaar]

We must get beyond the amatuerish issues of Anti-Castro Cubans and Mafia hit men to see what forces were at work in DP and why we are spinning our wheels now.

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Al, I think that says it all, you are at odds with the majority of the Research community. (although that in itself does not mean that you are wrong, but you're fighting an uphill battle, at least we can shake hands in that regard )

Wim

Edited November 24, 2004 by Wim Dankbaar

[Wim Dankbaar]

Another photo and article of Dr. Death.

http://www.radiohc.cu/heroes/ingles/testim...osh17agosto.htm

[Wim Dankbaar]

For Al:

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Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 3:00 PM

Subject: james files

I have always said it was a basic military cross fire killing, thanks for filling in the blanks I'm putting your site in my favorite place so I don't lose it

great job

Mike

[Al Carrier]

The previous post should be noticed: It takes one to know one. This was a well planned hit and did not just pop to the surface overnight; an operation ran by a few 'good old buddy' type personal who just decided one day to kill a President because they were pissed. Covert OPS don't work that way.These assault teams, three in all were "shadow personal" to be used once and then past into the voids of lost and none existence operations. There was or is a world out there that the average 8 to 5 personal can even begun to comprehend. We have to look beyond the norm and forget the land of names and faces. These assassins were a special breed. A hit and disappear team; a team drifting through that plaza much like a vapor. Years later these same type teams used to prowl the jungles of southeast Asia and Central America. To find them is like chasing a shadow. By the time you see their hit, they are gone and your left scratching your head wondering which way they went. Thats 'Black Ops" Its a specialty. Some take pride in it even today.

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http://www.newsgarden.org/columns/bush&jfk.shtml

BUSH & THE ASSASSINATION OF JFK

THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION: THE NIXON-BUSH CONNECTION

by Paul Kangas

This is an older article but deserves attention.

In Daniel Hopsicker’s Barry & ‘the boys’ The CIA, The Mob and America's Secret History, c2001, Hopsicker’s research substantiates many “outrageous” claims this article puts forth. I can give page numbers from his book if it is helpful for researchers. It is obvious to me Bush and Nixon had a large part in the assassination and cover-up.

In response to what Tosh posted, here you have a mini biography of James Files life.

Exposing this ongoing behavior to the public is why we are trying to publish To Kill A Country. Lawsuits and ongoing FBI problems continue to be the reason our book is not in print and out to the public.

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Pamela,

I may be wrong by interpreting Tosh's post and he may want to jump in here. The people Tosh is speaking of were the specialists who went into the jungles of Viet Nam to disrupt troop operations by assassinating commanders under the noses of the main body force. They also swayed locals from supporting infiltration by eliminating elders in inhumane ways and provoking more fear in the locals of them then the infiltrators. In Central America, they operated in the rain forests of the central highlands and along the Miskito Coast by assassinating regional governors who supported the Sandanista Regime and were backed by the Cuban Death Squads in their black SUVs. The death squads were attacked from ranges of 400-600m and eliminations were accomplished before the shots were heard. These individuals were never confronted as they were never seen.

They did not work for the Mafia, or were they SOF. They were nameless and faceless individuals who often times never came home for security reasons or fear of the controllers losing control of the monsters they created. Those who did return would often instruct at Covert Operation Schools such as SOA or the Army War College. Others chose to redeem their deeds by spending their life trying to undo their wrongs and establish themselves that were positive in their communities. Tosh said some still take pride in their actions even today. Some don't.

None would become James Files...

Al

[Ron Ecker]

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BUSH & THE ASSASSINATION OF JFK

THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION: THE NIXON-BUSH CONNECTION

by Paul Kangas

This is an older article but deserves attention.

I beg to disagree. I've run across this Kangas article before. It is so full of misstatements, distortions, and absurdities (e.g., it misquotes, in quotation marks, the Hoover "George Bush" memo, says Nixon was going to run against Kennedy again in 1964, says Jack Ruby worked as a "hit man" for Nixon in the 1940s, says the CIA is a secret organization to which no one admits belonging, recounts as fact the myth about three BOP boats named by or in honor of Bush, says the Watergate burglars were looking for the photo of the Dealey Plaza tramps, and goes on about somebody named Preston Bush), that there is no basis for assuming that anything in the article is a trustworthy statement.

The Kangas article is an irresponsible and incompetent piece of writing that is not worth a minute of anyone's time. But that's just my opinion.

Ron

[Wim Dankbaar]

the Hoover "George Bush" memo, says Nixon was going to run against Kennedy again in 1964, says Jack Ruby worked as a "hit man" for Nixon in the 1940s, says the CIA is a secret organization to which no one admits belonging,

Ron,

with all due due respect, none of what you say here is true. The Hoover "George Bush" memo, does NOT say Nixon was going to run against Kennedy again in 1964, does NOT say Jack Ruby worked as a "hit man" for Nixon in the 1940s and so on.

Read the Hoover "George Bush" memo and see for yourself:

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/bush3.htm

Wim

[Ron Ecker]

Wim,

I did not say that the Hoover memo says all that. I said that Kangas says all that. His misquoting of the memo is only one item I referred to.

Ron

[Tim Carroll]

The Hoover "George Bush" memo, does NOT say Nixon was going to run against Kennedy again in 1964, does NOT say Jack Ruby worked as a "hit man" for Nixon in the 1940s and so on.

Wim

Wim,

You have misread Ron's statement, which is a quick list of Kangas' errors. The grammar of Ron's sentence does not say that the Hoover memo contained the other factual errors listed.

Tim

[Wim Dankbaar]

Tim, Ron,

Yes, I recognize after your explanations, I misread Ron's statement, but the way he wrote it, suggested he was talking about the Hoover memo, which by the way I certainly believe is a genuine document., which was never questioned. Kangas' article is not gospel, I see that too, I do not agree with everything he writes, and I would like to know about the sources he drew from. It would be good to have him join this forum, so he can speak for himself.

Wim