AMAZING DOCUMENT TYING DAVID FERRIE, GUY BANNISTER AND OTHERS TOGETHER

[Vince Palamara]

Document here (I can never upload any image- always too big. YOU CAN NOW CLICK ON THE IMAGE AT THIS LINK TO ENLARGE IT):

https://vincepalamara.com/2016/09/24/amazing-document-tying-david-ferrie-guy-bannister-and-others-together/

As author Flip De Mey said: “I suppose this document is part of the Ferrie-file in the case about his dismissal as pilot. The whole clique of Camp Street 544, New Orleans seems present: Banister, Ferrie, Arcacha Smith,… Ferrie’s involvement in the CAP is also mentioned. By pure coincidence the Camp Street address is stamped on Oswald’s ‘Hands off Cuba’ pamphlet, and by pure coincidence Oswald was one of the boys under Ferrie’s “oversight” in the CAP. Also by pure coincidence pilot Ferrie drove through a storm from New Orleans to Galveston Texas on 22 November 1963, without any reasonable explanation, to return at the very moment the killing of Oswald was made public. By coincidence Breck Wall -responsible for the Dallas chapter of AGVA- was also in Dallas and received at the very moment Ferrie arrived there a mysterious telephone-call from Ruby. Ferrie by the way was -pure coincidence- in the morning of 22 November at Carlos Marcello’s side. Mafia Godfather and Kennedy-hater Marcello gave Ferrie 7.000 $ that day, again without reasonable explanation. You can go on and on,… The document in itself proves nothing new. We know that these shady crooks knew each other, and covered each others lies, but it’s again an illustration of their conspiratorial behavior.”

Edited September 25, 2016 by Vince Palamara

[Chris Newton]

Thanks Vince!

That's a great document. I can't click on the copy you have on the webpage to make it bigger but zoomed in and could make it out. I don't think that summary is in the extant records and I could not find it at Mary F's site. There is this, a newspaper clipping of Ferrie's arrest:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=117796&search=fournier#relPageId=97&tab=page

The trucking company application looks really interesting too.

[Chris Newton]

Vince,

Who is Aucoin, Erby Aucoin?

[Vince Palamara]

I fixed it--you CAN now click on the image to enlarge it. NOTICE THE CHERAMIE LISTED--ANY RELATION TO ROSE CHERAMIE???? GET JIM DIEUGENIO ON THIS!

As for Aucoin--not sure. The only Aucoin I ever heard of in my life is BILL Aucoin, the KISS producer

[Chris Newton]

I found it it's Erby (or Orvie) Aucoin and he was a TV cameraman and informant. His neighbor said he had heard this from the Judge in the Clay Shaw trial.

So it's a tenuous lead.

[Steve Thomas]

Vince,

I fixed it--you CAN now click on the image to enlarge it. NOTICE THE CHERAMIE LISTED--ANY RELATION TO ROSE CHERAMIE???? GET JIM DIEUGENIO ON THIS!

I immediately wondered the same thing, but I don't think so.

1) Rose Cheramie apparently told Lt. Francis Fruge that she was enroute to, among other things, "pick up her baby"

I don't think that Al Cheramie was a baby.

2) "Rose Cheramie" was an alias for Marcades.

As an aside, Fruge's deposition to the HSCA on April 18, 1978 is referenced in the Staff Report in Volume X of the HSCA Appendix volumes.

Does anyone know how to see his actual deposition?

Personally, I find it very hard to find my way around around the HSCA documents and files.

Steve Thomas

[Glenn Nall]

drove through a storm from New Orleans to Galveston Texas on 22 November 1963, without any reasonable explanation, to return at the very moment the killing of Oswald was made public

Ferrie's roommate said something about Ferrie having to make an "important flight" on the afternoon of the 22nd. This was coupled with the curious activity at Red Bird airport somehow. He said more about this, but I don't remember without looking at it again.

[Glenn Nall]

Vince,

I fixed it--you CAN now click on the image to enlarge it. NOTICE THE CHERAMIE LISTED--ANY RELATION TO ROSE CHERAMIE???? GET JIM DIEUGENIO ON THIS!

I immediately wondered the same thing, but I don't think so.

1) Rose Cheramie apparently told Lt. Francis Fruge that she was enroute to, among other things, "pick up her baby"

I don't think that Al Cheramie was a baby.

2) "Rose Cheramie" was an alias for Marcades.

As an aside, Fruge's deposition to the HSCA on April 18, 1978 is referenced in the Staff Report in Volume X of the HSCA Appendix volumes.

Does anyone know how to see his actual deposition?

Personally, I find it very hard to find my way around around the HSCA documents and files.

Steve Thomas

you're probably way too young to remember this, but in the 60's - (hell in the 80's, remember Mother's Finest, "Baby Love"?) - "my baby" meant "my man." or "my baby's daddy." "or my deadbeat, lazy-ass husband..." but you get the point.

or it could have meant "my son." my mom would use it when I was due for yet more cheek-pinching humiliation.

Edited September 25, 2016 by Glenn Nall

[Steve Thomas]

Glenn,

you're probably way too young to remember this, but in the 60's - (hell in the 80's, remember Mother's Finest, "Baby Love"?) - "my baby" meant "my man." or "my baby's daddy." "or my deadbeat, lazy-ass husband..." but you get the point.

or it could have meant "my son." my mom would use it when I was due for yet more cheek-pinching humiliation.

You're right.

Steve Thomas

[James DiEugenio]

Al Cheramie was a friend of Ferrie's and, to my knowledge, was not related to Rose C.

I cannot see the document yet.

[Chris Newton]

source document in John Armstrong Collection:

http://digitalcollections.baylor.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/po-arm/id/21294/rec/2

[Vince Palamara]

Jim, go to this link and click on the image to enlarge. The document above is something else. The one about Ferrie and Bannister can be found here:

https://vincepalamara.com/2016/09/24/amazing-document-tying-david-ferrie-guy-bannister-and-others-together/

[Chris Newton]

Both these pages are part of a longer (10 page) document that can be found in the John Armstrong Collection. The highlighter marks on both images suggests that the primary source for Vince's documents was John Armstrong's Collection, as well.

The entire summary of the hearing and the details it reveals are stunning and make a great read.

In the same folder are several FBI 302's of CAP interviews that mention LHO. Too bad the FBI wasn't interested in "follow-up" in that regard.

edit - note: my previously posted link will take you there.

Edited September 26, 2016 by Chris Newton

[James DiEugenio]

OK, I have seen them now.

The first one, about the judge seeing an employment application filed by Oswald with Ruby's name on it, I had seen that years ago. This was when the great Peter Vea was going through all the declassified Garrison docs by the ARRB. I have always felt that was a bombshell that was much too ignored.

Bugliosi asks, well why did Garrison not use that? Uh, VInny do you know how much was stolen out of Garrison's files by the CIA agents who infiltrated his office? IMO, that was one of the things high on their list. Along with the lead to the guy who had taken a film of Oswald with Clay Shaw.

The other document is new to me in particular. I had not seen that one about Banister and SAS helping out Ferrie in his dismissal hearings. I knew that this had happened, but I did not know about that document. Always good to have it in a record. In other words, the collusion exists outside of 544 Camp street.

Edited September 27, 2016 by James DiEugenio

[Thomas Graves]

On 9/27/2016 at 2:00 PM, James DiEugenio said:

OK, I have seen them now.

The first one, about the judge seeing an employment application filed by Oswald with Ruby's name on it, I had seen that years ago. This was when the great Peter Vea was going through all the declassified Garrison docs by the ARRB. I have always felt that was a bombshell that was much too ignored.

Bugliosi asks, well why did Garrison not use that? Uh, VInny do you know how much was stolen out of Garrison's files by the CIA agents who infiltrated his office? IMO, that was one of the things high on their list. Along with the lead to the guy who had taken a film of Oswald with Clay Shaw.

The other document is new to me in particular. I had not seen that one about Banister and SAS helping out Ferrie in his dismissal hearings. I knew that this had happened, but I did not know about that document. Always good to have it in a record. In other words, the collusion exists outside of 544 Camp street.

Dear Jim,

At first I thought the CIA had stolen page three and page four from this document http://digitalcollections.baylor.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/po-arm/id/29673/rec/1 ,

too, but then I found them at another source:

Memorandum - Page three -

September 12, 1977

[...] recently, I have had to re-evaluate it as probably accurate because;

of the specificity of detail in the statement. For example, during

my earlier reading of it, I apparently missed the detail which

Whalen provided concerning Ferrie's and Shaw's having learned from

an "inside*' source — Dean Andrews — that I was about to start an

investigation of (the New Orleans aspect of) President Kennedy's

murder. (As a matter of fact. Dean Andrews was — by a number of

months -- the first person I ever talked to at any length about the

assassination and the fact that the Warren Commission conclusion

was imppfit-i I hie [sic]. Having studied his patently evasive statement

made before the Commission that one " Clay Bertrand " -- a man Little

known or uknown to him, depending upon which part of his testimony

you read -- had called him and retained him to represent Lee Oswald

in Dallas, I arranged a lunch with Andrews at Broussard's Restaurant.

At that time, I informed him that it was apparent to me that he was

concealing the true identity of the man who called him about re-

presenting Oswald and, when he demurred, I indicated — in effect

that I intended to find out what the true facts were, I doubt

that, even now, any members of my former staff knew that our whole

inquiry really started off with my questioning of Dean Andrews.

(But, as his statement indicates, Whalen learned that from Pershing.)

R: Police report of August [?], 1961, concerning an investigation of

David Ferrie with regard to a run-away youth, who apparently

lived with him for awhile, named Alexander Landry, Landry

was seen in Ferrie's company at a time when they were picking up

Layton Martens from work. Martens is described in the report as

“working in the Balter Building for a Cuban Organization helping

Cuban refugees in the current Cuban situation, which is headed by

Mr, Arcacha Smith." In the report, Martens stated to the officers

that he "sometimes stays with Capt, Ferrie and that his mother had

just recently moved and he wasn't certain of her address." The

report goes on to describe a telephone call, in Ferris's behalf,

made by Arcacha in which Arcacha stated that he could get the boy

(Landry) back for them if they would get a signed statement from

the parents indicating that they would not press charges against

Ferrie. This is another bit of information helping to illuminate

the relationship of Layten Martens, an apparent protege of Shaw's,

to David Ferrie , Sergio Arcacha and the anti-Castro Cuban organization.

T: A memorandum based upon a phone call to the District

Attorney's office from Charles Krop -- employed by the Illinois

Migrant Council in Chicago — who, shortly after the President's

death, had been contacted by a Cuban organization in Chicago which

was raising funds to assassinate Fidel Castro, In this connection,

Krop stated that the Cubans informed him that the two men in charge

of the project were named Shaw and Ferrie and were from New Orleans

After describing the details of his having informed the FBI of

the Cuban group’s contacts with him, Krop describes in some detail

one of the Cubans contacting him — one Carlos Rodriguez [Quesada],

apparently a disenchanted one-time Castro warrior.

U: Memorandum in 1967 based upon a phone call from the under-cover

agent (Jimmy Johnson) whom the N.0. District Attorney’s

office by now had working as a mechanic with David Ferrie, Johnson

describes Ferrie as having been visited by a Cuban or Mexican

named "Carlos" , (See preceding note re: Krop communication) ,

Memorandum - Page four

September 12, 1977

V: A memo based upon a contact with the office by Martin

Waldron, then of the Houston Bureau of the New York Times.

According to Bethell, who received the call, the New York Times had

received two memos from one of their local stringers concerning

a possible Shaw-Ferrie connection — however the Times was, thus

far, taking no action in connection with the story. According to

these memos, one Ray Sadler — then a University of South Carolina

professor - - had done a doctoral thesis on an abortive (anti-

Batista) invasion from New Orleans back in 1947. An airport had

been leased near Venice, Florida, by a man named Shaw . One of the

pilots for the anti-Cuban mission reportedly was David Ferrie . The

name of Scott Wilson , then connected with the International Trade

Mart and named as a participant in the intended operation, is a

correct description of an individual then of some influence in New

Orleans in political and civic affairs (Note: The memo explains

why the invasion plan was aborted. It should be observed, however

that — in spite of its later unanticipated problems with Castro

in pre-Castro days, the American government, primarily through the

CIA, was engaged in sponsoring attempts to accomplish Batista's

removal. The information given the office in this call is supported

by interesting detail, although the date given for the abortive invasion

may be a bit early [perhaps a typographical error]. As with

so many leads we received, our office apparently lacked the time and

personnel to follow up on this one. It is apparently still a

viable lead with regard to follow-up potential).

W: Letter from one Griscom Morgan , of Yellow Springs, Ohio,

concerning a friend of his whose mother had been housekeeper to

Clay Shaw . According to Morgan, the lady was terrified by her

knowledge of Shaw's activities. According to Morgan, “this in-

cludes knowing of Ferrie's association with Shaw. " Another in-

teresting lead apparently farmed out to someone on the staff but

not followed through. By early 1967 we were in the center of the

hurricane and shortage of leads connecting Shaw and Ferrie and the

anti-Castro Cubans and Banister operation was no longer our main

problem. However, following through on all of them was — and, in

hindsight, our available staff did not handle all of the follow-

ups effectively).

X: An unsigned letter providing the name and address of

Woodrow [?] Hardy of Tampa, Florida, as a source of information

concerning Shaw's associations. The writer of the letter stated that

Hardy remodeled Shaw's New Orleans home. He stated further that

during that period. Hardy saw "many Cuban types" at Shaw's place.

He described Hardy as saying that "one man in particular,

who denied to you that he knew Shaw, but stood outside of the resi-

dence and couldn't help but know Shaw."* (It is interesting to note

that this letter, which describes Hardy as a Tampa resident, is

dated May 20,1968. By that time, Kerry Thornley had become a

resident of Tampa). Another lead long over-due for a follow through.

TUCKER, SCHONEKAS

& GARRISON

710 CARONOflET [sic] ST.

NEW ORLEANS,

LOUISIANA 70130

Y: Statement of Thomas Clark, one of Ferrie's covey of

youthful associates. Here he described how, in 1964 while working

at Ferrie 's service station he saw a "small, white compact car,

foreign, Renault type, come there twice." He could not make out

the occupant "but it was a big man" who never got out of the car.

He would wind up, talking with Ferrie, "staying in the car for over

an hour. The car never came and got gas." I do not find any

material at hand telling us what kind of car Shaw had or had avail-

[end of page four]

 

 

Enjoy!,

-- Tommy

Edited March 15, 2018 by Thomas Graves