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Bill - my thanks as well. Why can’t we connect the dots to the 488th MID? What’s missing? As I may have mentioned to you when we met in SF at the December Symposium, both books about Colonel Frank M Brandstetter, who reported to ACSI for two decades, state that he joined the 488th in 1959. The early literature repeats, without proof, that Lumpkin, Westbrook, Gannaway and others were in Crichton’s 488th. Crichton himself said there were over 100 men in his Unit, 40 of them also members of the DPD, according to an oral interview no one can seem to find now. No one here has been able to find mention of the 488th in extant military files. Equally troubling is that a Colonel Jones of the 112th, about which there is much more info, lied to the WC about his position there. We don’t even know when he got that assignment, and military records show him assigned to Army Intelligence in Massweiler Germany 1962-63. None of this adds up, yet seems very important, since these DPD detectives were all over the Oswald setup and arrest. 

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I will start a new topic - with my original post and Paul's reply - this is a good thread on the "Colonels", and I don't want to hijack it.

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1 hour ago, Bill Simpich said:

I will start a new topic - with my original post and Paul's reply - this is a good thread on the "Colonels", and I don't want to hijack it.

Thanks - agree with you. Revolt of the Colonels is one of my favorite threads.

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15 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

 The famous destroyed Army Intelligence file was entitled "Harvey Lee Oswald". 

Bill,

 

Can you elaborate on this a little? Provide a citation of some kind?

 

As far as Gannaway and Lumpkin go, I think (and this is just my personal opinion) that Gannaway reported to Lumpkin in his Army Intelligence work.

In his day job; while Gannaway reported to Curry as Head of the Special Service Bureau, Lumpkin was still a Deputy Chief.

 

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25039-george-lumpkin/?page=2&_fromLogin=1ow

“I don't know if this has been discussed, but the link below is to a 1966 Richardson (Texas) Daily News article that describes George Lumpkin as “Commandant of the 4150th ARSU Dallas United States Army Reserve School”.

https://newspaperarchive.com/tags/george-lumpkin/?pc=24581&psi=94&pci=7&pt=23960&ob=1/

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Department and Agency Codes

http://trac.syr.edu/data/fedstaf/agencode.html

ARSU

U.S. Army Southern Command

 

With respect to George Whitmeyer, Winston Lawson told the HSCA that Whitmeyer "taught army intelligence."
So, Lumpkin and Whitmeyer, who both rode in the pilot car, were both Army Intelliegence teachers.


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Here is the ARRB's explanation for the destroyed Army Intelligence file on Harvey Lee Oswald  in 1973.

Allegedly, it was part of a "general program aimed at eliminating all of its files pertaining to nonmilitary personnel."

In 1971, a giant scandal erupted around the files that Army Intelligence was keeping on US civilians, particularly young anti-Vietnam protesters.

The destruction of the Oswald file was justified by a letter "calling for the elimination of files of non-DOD affiliated persons and organizations".

Granted, Oswald was not a DOD employee.  But the Marine that defected to the USSR while he was a reservist certainly should fit the label of a "DOD-affiliated person".

It's hard to imagine how even a poorly-paid clerk could believe that destroying this file was OK.   But maybe they just cleaned out the entire cabinet in one fell swoop.

 

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1 hour ago, Bill Simpich said:

Here is the ARRB's explanation for the destroyed Army Intelligence file on Harvey Lee Oswald  in 1973.

 

Bill,

 

Thanks. I wondered if you were referencing Peter Dale Scott's address to the Fredonia Conference in 1996.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/S%20Disk/Scott%20Peter%20Dale/Item%2002.pdf

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Three quick items:

1.  No, I have Peter's Fredonia paper, but I don't see him addressing the destroyed Army Intelligence file.  He does mention it in the documentary history of Harvey Lee Oswald in Deep Politics II.    The HSCA found the destruction extremely troublesome"

2.  One more colonel:  Do you know about the Army Col J.D. Wilmeth, who visited Marina and Ruth on 11/19/63 to practice his Russian?

3.  Where do you all stand on Colonel Robert Jones?  He was tipped off by George Doughty at the Identification Section of DPD during the afternoon of 11/22 about Oswald carrying the Hidell selective service card, before it was public knowledge.   My understanding is that RIF 180-10116-10120 (not on MFF) buttons down the time at 3:15 pm - the same time that Stringfellow goes off and tries to start World War III by claiming Oswald defected to Cuba in 1959 and was a card-carrying Communist.

I should note Larry Hancock wrote to me some time back saying he thought Jones had gone too far with his recollections, saying "In Nov 63 Jones was not the G3 Ops office - which means his statements about being in control of field office folks in the Plaza are bogus. 

He was G2 at the time so he would have been in contact with the office liaison guys in Dallas but that is it.  He did hold the G3 position for short period of time but not then.  He also answered questions to the HSCA about intelligence that were far beyond his training and personal experience.  His boss actually wanted to sue him for his statements but the Army blocked him.

The ARRB investigated Jones in extreme detail, hopefully that is where (another colleague of mine) is looking because its where all the details are - including Prouty's very embarrassing interview about many things including his own misstatements on the 112th."

Bill

 

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4 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

 

Three quick items:

 

2.  One more colonel:  Do you know about the Army Col J.D. Wilmeth, who visited Marina and Ruth on 11/19/63 to practice his Russian?

 

Bill,

 

Did you happen to read the page (p. 216), just before the one you referenced in that CD 329?

Marina told FBI Agents Wallace Heitman and Anatole Boguslav that Wilmeth had spent 20 months in Russia. It doesn't say which 20 months, but conceivably, if he retired from the Army in 1960, and started teaching Russian in 1962,  it could have been about the same time that Oswald was in Russia too.

 

Steve Thomas

 

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5 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

 

Three quick items:

 My understanding is that RIF 180-10116-10120 (not on MFF) buttons down the time at 3:15 pm - the same time that Stringfellow goes off and tries to start World War III by claiming Oswald defected to Cuba in 1959 and was a card-carrying Communist.

 

Bill,

 

Here's the time on that cable:

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23 hundred hours Zulu time would be 17 hunderd hours (or 5:00 PM) Central time. I don't know what time Stringfellow was supposed to have transmitted his info, but 3:15 PM sounds about right.

By the way, Stringfellow and Biggio were working the DPD radio equipment at the Fairgrounds that afternoon.

Stringfellow and Biggio were working the police radio at the Fairgrounds on 11/22/63

Army Apparently didn't tell Commission of Oswald's Alias”

Dallas Morning News March 19, 1978

in the Weisberg Collection

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/F%20Disk/FBI/FBI%20Records%20Release%2012-7-77%20News%20Accounts/Item%20069.pdf

 

Steve Thomas

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Gotta Love it.

 

B.B. Smith. Dallas Police Department, Deputy Chief of Police.Director, Civil Defense and Disaster Commission.

Reported directly to Chief Curry.

Batchelor Exhibit 5002

https://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf

 

Colonel. B.B. Smith

Daily Palmer Rustler October 14, 1954 page 2

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth782328/m1/2/

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Lumpkin was the Commandant of the 4150th ARSU Army Reserve School.

 

Steve Thomas

 

 

 

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Gannaway, Lumpkin, B.B. Smith...

The Dallas Police Department was just riddled with Army Reserve Intelligence wasn't it?

 

Steve Thomas

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