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Is that ... (Gasp) ... Billy Lovelady Talking With Gloria Calvery on the Steps?

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10 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:

Photobucket went Mockingbird

Well if they uploaded them, couldn't it be assumed that they have their copies to re-upload? I'd love to see them.

 

3 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

FWIW....

A discussion re: Adams & Styles (and some others)....

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/07/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-743.html

So then David, do you feel you have debunked Ernest's research? Have you effectively proven or demonstrated that Adam's testimony isn't valid in the case for LHO's whereabouts on 11/22/63? 

Edited by B. A. Copeland

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38 minutes ago, B. A. Copeland said:

So then David, do you feel you have debunked Ernest's research? Have you effectively proven or demonstrated that Adams' testimony isn't valid in the case for LHO's whereabouts on 11/22/63?

Here's what I said 7 years ago (and I still feel this way today)....

"With respect to Vickie Adams, the ONLY thing a person needs to accept in order to have Oswald on the back stairs within one to two minutes after the President's assassination is to accept the almost certain fact that Victoria Adams was simply inaccurate in her time estimate about when she and Sandra Styles were on the back staircase.

And if she's off by a mere ONE MINUTE, or even less, then her whole story unravels and it then becomes quite easy to accept the fact that Oswald used the back stairs just after shooting President Kennedy from the sixth floor.

The key to pretty much knowing without a doubt that Adams and Styles were on the stairs only AFTER Lee Oswald used the same stairs is not really Oswald himself--but Roy Truly and Marrion Baker.

Because if Adams was really on the stairs as early as she said she was, she would have had virtually no choice but to have seen (or heard) the two men who we know for a fact WERE on those stairs within about 60 to 75 seconds of the assassination -- Truly and Baker.

Since Adams saw nobody and heard nobody, the very likely solution is that she was mistaken about her timing (which couldn't be a more common error with human beings), and she was on the stairs AFTER all three men (Oswald, Baker, and Truly) had already utilized the same stairs." -- DVP; February 14, 2011

 

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6 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

Here's what I said 7 years ago (and I still feel this way today)....

"With respect to Vickie Adams, the ONLY thing a person needs to accept in order to have Oswald on the back stairs within one to two minutes after the President's assassination is to accept the almost certain fact that Victoria Adams was simply inaccurate in her time estimate about when she and Sandra Styles were on the back staircase.

 

And the only thing a person needs to accept in order to have Oswald where he said he was during the shooting -- on the first floor -- is that the people whose testimonies create the 2nd floor encounter were l.y.i.n.g. And that is why this Gloria Calvery stuff is important.

 

Edited by Sandy Larsen

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In fact, it seems that not only Billy Lovelady is on steps in Darnell but also, not surprising, Bill Shelley. Bill Shelley stands at the spot on the top landing which he also occupied in Altgens6 and Wiegman film. The lady wearing a dark headscarf appears to stand as if talking while the lady wearing a white headscarf is moving continuously up the steps over successive frames in Darnell. 

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31 minutes ago, Andrej Stancak said:

In fact, it seems that not only Billy Lovelady is on steps in Darnell but also, not surprising, Bill Shelley. Bill Shelley stands at the spot on the top landing which he also occupied in Altgens6 and Wiegman film. The lady wearing a dark headscarf appears to stand as if talking while the lady wearing a white headscarf is moving continuously up the steps over successive frames in Darnell. 

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Interesting, Andrej.

Does PM still have a foot one step down from the top?

 

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29 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Does PM still have one foot down from the top?

 

 

He sure does, in my analysis. After completing the analysis of Altgens6 I will return to the Prayer Man height/location.

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1 hour ago, Andrej Stancak said:

In fact, it seems that not only Billy Lovelady is on steps in Darnell but also, not surprising, Bill Shelley. Bill Shelley stands at the spot on the top landing which he also occupied in Altgens6 and Wiegman film. The lady wearing a dark headscarf appears to stand as if talking while the lady wearing a white headscarf is moving continuously up the steps over successive frames in Darnell. 

whole_scene_cut.jpg?w=768

Andrej,

Is your Shelley the man in the coat and tie, or the person behind him?

--  TG

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With respect to Vickie Adams, the ONLY thing a person needs to accept in order to have Oswald on the back stairs within one to two minutes after the President's assassination is to accept the almost certain fact that Victoria Adams was simply inaccurate in her time estimate about when she and Sandra Styles were on the back staircase.

13 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

And the only thing a person needs to accept in order to have Oswald where he said he was during the shooting -- on the first floor -- is that the people whose testimonies create the 2nd floor encounter were l.y.i.n.g.

That would include Roy Truly, Marrion Baker, Will Fritz, and Jim Bookhout. (And if Fritz and Bookhout weren't lying, then Oswald himself lied about encountering the policeman on the SECOND floor.)

Now, I wonder which one of these options is more likely to be correct:

All of the above people were liars....or....Victoria Adams simply made an honest mistake about exactly how long it took her to get to the first floor?

Is that really a tough choice for you, Sandy?

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"THE LUNCHROOM ENCOUNTER"....

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/07/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-973.html

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Edited by David Von Pein

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13 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

That would include Roy Truly, Marrion Baker, Will Fritz, and Jim Bookhout. (And if Fritz and Bookhout weren't lying, then Oswald himself lied about encountering the policeman on the SECOND floor.)

Now, I wonder which option is more likely to be correct:

All of the above people were liars....or Victoria Adams simply made an honest mistake about exactly how long it took her to get to the first floor?

Is that really a tough choice for you, Sandy?

 

David,

That's why it's important to try to determine whether or not: 1) the largish woman on-the-steps-20-seconds-after-the-assassination is indeed Gloria Calvery (and 1a. whether or not she's talking with Billy Lovelady on the steps, and 1b. whether or not, as Andrej claims, Bill Shelley can be seen on the steps), and 2) whether or not Molina, who claimed Calvery told him in "the lobby" that JFK had been shot, and who also claimed that he saw Baker enter the front door at the same time as he, Molina, was talking with Calvery, can be positively identified on the steps in Couch-Darnell or Weigman or ...

Because if Baker and Truly DID enter the building so soon after the assassination, then their encountering a guilty (or possibly even "set up") Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room is more likely than if they had entered the building a minute or two later. 

--  TG 

 

 

Edited by Thomas Graves

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39 minutes ago, Robin Unger said:

  (photos)

 

Thanks, Robin.

 

--  TG

 

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1 hour ago, Andrej Stancak said:

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Andrej,

Could Prayer Man be fiddling with his purse?

(Only semi-sarcastic)

--  TG

 

Edited by Thomas Graves

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54 minutes ago, Robin Unger said:

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In Altgens 6, there is a figure of an African-American male's head facing east directly in front of Shelley, behind the front of the building, in the alcove area, at his chest level.  Where is that person in the lower screen shot showing PM, and in the color picture Andrej posted?

Thanks

Rick

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