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Jim Hargrove

TWO MARGUERITE OSWALDS -- NEW DETAILS

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5 hours ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:

I guess we'll never get to hear that fine tale then because I can't explain every discrepancy in the record beyond the explanation Parker has offered or beyond the fact that it is a mistake.

Tracy,

What I'd like to know is how the "Harvey and Lee and Two Marguerites" devotees think what they're trying to prove is going to help us figure out who killed JFK.  Does their jumping up and down and shouting THE EVIL, EVIL CIA DID IT!" help in that regard?

--  Tommy :sun

Edited by Thomas Graves

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Of course CIA people were involved.

1. With his trip to Russia, staged FPCC activities, and commie-loving history going all the way back to the Marine Corps, it was easy to paint the Russian-speaking Harvey as a commie with ties to Castro, which is exactly what happened.  And it was safe for him to "defect," because it was LEE who manned the U2 radar bubble. Harvey had no real secrets to reveal.

2. After the assassination, Oswald’s ties to both the FBI and the CIA made G-men, especially J. Edgar Hoover, all too happy to enter full scale cover-up mode.

3. Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald had demonstrated that he would follow even difficult orders, critical in the days and hours before and immediately after the assassination. (He absolutely had to be in the right places at the right times to become a successful patsy.  And a patsy was absolutely critical for the plot to succeed.  Without one, the search for the plotters would have been relentless.)

4.  The “Harvey and Lee” project (probably controlled by David Atlee Phillips) made it simple to send around a fellow who looked like Russian-speaking Oswald in the weeks prior to the hit to set him up as the assassin-to-be.  For example….

The Sports Drome Rifle Range on Oct. 26, Nov. 9, Nov. 10, and again on Nov. 17, several times creating a scene and once shooting at another guy's target;

Morgan's Gun Shop in Fort Worth on Nov 2.

The Downtown Lincoln Mercury dealership also on Nov. 2 where he test drove a car at wrecklessly high speeds saying he would soon come into enough money to buy a new car.

The Irving Furniture Mart On Nov. 6 or 7 for a gun part where he was referred to the shop where Dial Ryder worked.

The Southland Hotel parking garage (Allright Parking Systems) on Nov. 15 to apply for a job and oh-so-subtly ask how high the Southland Building was and if it had a good view of downtown Dallas.

Hitchhiking on Nov. 20 on the R.L. Thornton Expressway while carrying a 4-foot long package wrapped in brown paper and introducing himself to Ralph Yates as “Lee Harvey Oswald.” He discussed the President's visit, wondered if you could shoot a president, and asked to be dropped across the street from the Texas School Book Depository (where Russian-speaking “Lee Harvey Oswald” was already at work).

I just watched the 1973 motion picture “Executive Action” with Burt Lancaster and Robert Ryan.  It does a great job showing how an “Oswald” look-alike traveled around Dallas in the weeks before the assassination doing many of the things listed above. The irony is that the "look-alike" was probably actually the guy born as "Lee Harvey Oswald."

 

Edited by Jim Hargrove

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If you wanna buy a clue about who killed John, you need look no further than one Jacob Rubenstein.  Ruby was closely associated with KLIF radio founder Gordon McLendon, a former Naval Intelligence officer who was a close friend and confidant of David Atlee Phillips.


Ruby called McLendon’s unlisted phone number the day of the assassination. He was overheard that very afternoon saying he could be reached at KLIF. He continued writing letters to McLendon even from prison.


In 1975 McLendon and David Atlee Phillips formed the Association of Former Intelligence Officers (AFIO). The two men had known one another since childhood. And it was Phillips who was spotted by Antonio Veciana talking to LEE Oswald at the Southland building in Dallas in the summer of 1963.


And so we are starring at a direct chain of command from CIA’s David Atlee Phillips to former intel officer Gordon McLendon to McLendon’s close friend Jack Ruby to the REAL Lee Harvey Oswald, the guy who framed the Russian-speaking schmuck for the murder of JFK!

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1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said:

If you wanna buy a clue about who killed John, you need look no further than one Jacob Rubenstein.  Ruby was closely associated with KLIF radio founder Gordon McLendon, a former Naval Intelligence officer who was a close friend and confidant of David Atlee Phillips.


Ruby called McLendon’s unlisted phone number the day of the assassination. He was overheard that very afternoon saying he could be reached at KLIF. He continued writing letters to McLendon even from prison.


In 1975 McLendon and David Atlee Phillips formed the Association of Former Intelligence Officers (AFIO). The two men had known one another since childhood. And it was Phillips who was spotted by Antonio Veciana talking to LEE Oswald at the Southland building in Dallas in the summer of 1963.


And so we are starring at a direct chain of command from CIA’s David Atlee Phillips to former intel officer Gordon McLendon to McLendon’s close friend Jack Ruby to the REAL Lee Harvey Oswald, the guy who framed the Russian-speaking schmuck for the murder of JFK!

So why spend so much time and effort trying to convince others of your lame Harvey and Lee and the Two Marguerites theory?  Does it somehow implicate Ruby and McLendon and Phillips a direct kind of way, or do we kinda hafta "connect the dots"?

--  Tommy :sun

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15 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Interestingly, the woman born as Margaret Claverie (real Marguerite) never worked as a nurse and was never seen in a nurse’s uniform.  Mr. and Mrs. Evans, her best friends, never described her in a nurse’s uniform or working as a nurse.

Jim,

Did John Armstrong interview the Evans and ask if they'd ever seen the "real" Marguerite wearing a nurse's uniform?

Did John do research on Marguerite's higher education to see if she'd been trained as a nurse? (My two aunts were nurses back in the 1950s/60s, and I recall my mom telling me that they attended a special school away from home, in Salt Lake City. I believe they would be classified as LPNs today.)

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As I mentioned earlier, this fairy tale is just too far-fetched to have happened the way the wizards are claiming it happened. I simply can't imagine that LHO was the only kid out there who had a mother who moved around as much as his Mom did and the school's records not getting it 100% accurate in their filling everything out. There had to be a Jim Bob or Smitty out there too who was in truant school, got shuttled around by his Mom, and then the school records lady, cigarette in hand and taking a deep sigh, didn't complete the records 100% precisely and accurately.

And yet, it's amazing how the wizards here have taken these discrepancies in the records and have bobbed and weaved them into this Harvey and his clone (and Mom clone too!) fiction.

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9 hours ago, Thomas Graves said:

So why spend so much time and effort trying to convince others of your lame Harvey and Lee and the Two Marguerites theory?  Does it somehow implicate Ruby and McLendon and Phillips a direct kind of way, or do we kinda hafta "connect the dots"?

--  Tommy :sun

Because you can't understand the Kennedy assassination and the setup of the patsy unless you understand that two young men had been sharing the identity of "Lee Harvey Oswald" as part of a false defection program, and that Jack Ruby was far more involved in the actual assassination of JFK than we previously suspected.

As just one example:

During the summer and fall of 1963, while HARVEY, Marina, and June Oswald were living in New Orleans, Jack Ruby and LEE Oswald were seen together by many people in and around Dallas. 

 

LEE_at_CC.jpg

 

  • In the summer of 1963 Dorothy Marcum was dating Ruby and her aunt worked for Ruby. Dorothy told the FBI that LEE Oswald worked for Ruby during June and July and the two men definitely knew each other.

  • Ruby was interviewing Francis Irene Hise for a job as a waitress when a young man entered the Carousel Club and Ruby said “Hi, Ozzie” to the young man. After she was hired Miss Hise served drinks to “Ozzie," whom she recognized after the assassination as LHO.

  • Another employee, Clyde Malcolm Limbough, worked for Ruby three years and saw Oswald in Ruby's office on several occasions.

  • Helen Kay Smith (“Pixie Lynn”), who worked at the Carousel, told the Dallas Police that she saw Ruby and Oswald together on several occasions.

  • Other employees of Ruby who saw Oswald in the Carousel Club were William Crowe, Wally Weston, Dixie Lynn, and Kathy Kay.

  • Robert Roy was Ruby's auto mechanic and said that Oswald used to drop off Ruby's car for repairs. Roy then drove Oswald back to Ruby's “burlesque house.”

  • Ruby parked his car at Gibbs Auto Service and occasionally allowed friends and associates to borrow his car. Leon Woods was the manager of Gibbs and kept a “check-in and check-out” book that listed the names of people who took Ruby's car from the garage. Mr. Woods gave the book to the FBI following the assassination of President Kennedy, which the FBI later denied.

  • During the last week of July (1963) Western Union employee Marshall Hicks delivered several telegrams addressed to “LEE Harvey Oswald” at the Rotary Apartments, 1501-1503 W. 7th St. in Dallas (while HARVEY and Marina were living in New Orleans). The FBI made no attempt to locate copies of these telegrams.

  • DPD Detective H.M. Hart, of the Criminal Intelligence Division, received information from a Dallas Police confidential informant who knew Ruby. The informant said that in September (1963) Ruby rented an apartment at 223 S. Ewing for LEE Oswald.

NOTE: Journalist Dorothy Kilgallen wrote in the New York Journal American (June 6, 1964): “It is known that 10 persons have signed sworn depositions to the Warren Commission that they knew Oswald and Ruby to have been acquainted.” 

--Above written by John Armstrong for our website....

If you want to read more about Ruby's inolvement with the JFK hit, see here, starting about halfway down the long page:

http://harveyandlee.net/Ruby/Ruby.html

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5 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Jim,

Did John Armstrong interview the Evans and ask if they'd ever seen the "real" Marguerite wearing a nurse's uniform?

Did John do research on Marguerite's higher education to see if she'd been trained as a nurse? (My two aunts were nurses back in the 1950s/60s, and I recall my mom telling me that they attended a special school away from home, in Salt Lake City. I believe they would be classified as LPNs today.)

Myrtle Evans said she was the same age as the Marguerite she knew (the woman born as Marguerite Claverie).  Real Marguerite was born in 1907.  By the time John started his real research in the early to mid 1990s, Myrtle Evans would have been well into her eighties.  I doubt he interviewed her or her husband, even if either was still alive.

I'll try to remember to ask him about your practical nurse questions.

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4 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Because you can't understand the Kennedy assassination and the setup of the patsy unless you understand that two young men had been sharing the identity of "Lee Harvey Oswald" as part of a false defection program, and that Jack Ruby was far more involved in the actual assassination of JFK than we previously suspected.

As just one example:

During the summer and fall of 1963, while HARVEY, Marina, and June Oswald were living in New Orleans, Jack Ruby and LEE Oswald were seen together by many people in and around Dallas. 

 

LEE_at_CC.jpg

 

  • In the summer of 1963 Dorothy Marcum was dating Ruby and her aunt worked for Ruby. Dorothy told the FBI that LEE Oswald worked for Ruby during June and July and the two men definitely knew each other.

  • Ruby was interviewing Francis Irene Hise for a job as a waitress when a young man entered the Carousel Club and Ruby said “Hi, Ozzie” to the young man. After she was hired Miss Hise served drinks to “Ozzie," whom she recognized after the assassination as LHO.

  • Another employee, Clyde Malcolm Limbough, worked for Ruby three years and saw Oswald in Ruby's office on several occasions.

  • Helen Kay Smith (“Pixie Lynn”), who worked at the Carousel, told the Dallas Police that she saw Ruby and Oswald together on several occasions.

  • Other employees of Ruby who saw Oswald in the Carousel Club were William Crowe, Wally Weston, Dixie Lynn, and Kathy Kay.

  • Robert Roy was Ruby's auto mechanic and said that Oswald used to drop off Ruby's car for repairs. Roy then drove Oswald back to Ruby's “burlesque house.”

  • Ruby parked his car at Gibbs Auto Service and occasionally allowed friends and associates to borrow his car. Leon Woods was the manager of Gibbs and kept a “check-in and check-out” book that listed the names of people who took Ruby's car from the garage. Mr. Woods gave the book to the FBI following the assassination of President Kennedy, which the FBI later denied.

  • During the last week of July (1963) Western Union employee Marshall Hicks delivered several telegrams addressed to “LEE Harvey Oswald” at the Rotary Apartments, 1501-1503 W. 7th St. in Dallas (while HARVEY and Marina were living in New Orleans). The FBI made no attempt to locate copies of these telegrams.

  • DPD Detective H.M. Hart, of the Criminal Intelligence Division, received information from a Dallas Police confidential informant who knew Ruby. The informant said that in September (1963) Ruby rented an apartment at 223 S. Ewing for LEE Oswald.

NOTE: Journalist Dorothy Kilgallen wrote in the New York Journal American (June 6, 1964): “It is known that 10 persons have signed sworn depositions to the Warren Commission that they knew Oswald and Ruby to have been acquainted.” 

--Above written by John Armstrong for our website....

If you want to read more about Ruby's inolvement with the JFK hit, see here, starting about halfway down the long page:

http://harveyandlee.net/Ruby/Ruby.html

Dear James,

That's not the Oswald in your photo inset at Rubys joint.  Different ears,

Unless of course you're talking about some different Oswald.

LOL

--  Tommy  :sun

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15 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said:
5 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Because you can't understand the Kennedy assassination and the setup of the patsy unless you understand that two young men had been sharing the identity of "Lee Harvey Oswald" as part of a false defection program, and that Jack Ruby was far more involved in the actual assassination of JFK than we previously suspected.

As just one example:

During the summer and fall of 1963, while HARVEY, Marina, and June Oswald were living in New Orleans, Jack Ruby and LEE Oswald were seen together by many people in and around Dallas. 

 

LEE_at_CC.jpg

 

Dear James,

That's not the Oswald in your photo inset at Rubys joint.  Different ears,

Unless of course you're talking about some different Oswald.

 

Speaking of that inset, why is there a line going across Oswald's face, just below his eyes? It's like the lower half of his face has been attached to the top half, put was sloppily done... the bottom half is covering his lower eyelashes.

Weird.

 

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7 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Speaking of that inset, why is there a line going across Oswald's face, just below his eyes? It's like the lower half of his face has been attached to the top half, put was sloppily done... the bottom half is covering his lower eyelashes.

Weird.

 

Acne?

The evil, evil, 

omniscient

 and all-powerful CIA?

--  Tommy  :sun

 

Edited by Thomas Graves

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19 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said:
24 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Speaking of that inset, why is there a line going across Oswald's face, just below his eyes? It's like the lower half of his face has been attached to the top half, put was sloppily done... the bottom half is covering his lower eyelashes.

Weird.

 

Acne?


No, it's a very straight, thin line across his whole face. But not his ears. Very noticeable on his right side.

oswald_face_line.jpg

Edited by Sandy Larsen

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45 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said:

Dear James,

That's not the Oswald in your photo inset at Rubys joint.  Different ears,

Unless of course you're talking about some different Oswald.

LOL

--  Tommy  :sun

That's the passport photo of "Lee Harvey Oswald" from his passport currently at the National Archives and all over the internet.

LOL

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5 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:

That's the passport photo of "Lee Harvey Oswald" from his passport currently at the National Archives and all over the internet.

 

Dear James,

You don't seem to understand.

If you're saying that the dude in Ruby's joint is the same as the guy in the passport photo, I'm saying you're wrong.

THE EARS ARE DIFFERENT.

--  Tommy  :sun

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