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Oswald's  tax returns were probably forged [oodles of other documents too most likely]

J Edgar Hoover told his agents [without a doubt]  not to give the  Commission what they need..not what they want..but what they'll accept. So they got photocopies of everything. There might be some originals in the archives but I doubt that too.

About military pay and tax forms...I never did file during my tour of duty...not a single dime and I  didn't know any fellow service member that did. The Navy never provided any W-2 forms so I guess I skated through that but I never saw any 1040 tax forms  or H&R Block anywhere.

In the John Anderson book...he mentions that Marina and Lee traveled to various cities in the Soviet Union 'without permission'  I guess from the OVIR [name for local state dept office] ...I asked my wife who was born and raised in the USSR about this permission stuff and she told me that it was nonsense. If you wanted to go somewhere, you bought a ticket and got on the train.

A fellow by the name of Popkin [I think] wrote a book called The Two Oswalds.  There was an imposter who used Oswald's  name and looked like his twin brother. This guy drove around about a month before the assassination...went to rifle ranges....talked loudly ....made sure everyone heard Oswald's name. The imposter must have gone to Mexico while Oswald left New Orleans with Cubans ...came to Dallas and visited the Odio sisters.

I live in the Dallas area and you can go everywhere on the assassination tour on a bus...it's easy.

Get in touch..come in November if you haven't been...do it.

Karl

 

 

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12 hours ago, Michael Walton said:

Knowing what we know - especially from Bill Simpich's outstanding State Secret article with complete documention - pretty much negates the HL story. Bill's article clearly follows the path of Oswald from the time he returned from Russia until 11/22.


Michael,

Nearly everything we have talked about on this thread regarding Harvey & Lee occurred BEFORE Oswald returned from Russia. So I don't know why you keep trying to make this point of yours.

 

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Hi, Karl,

Thanks for your post, but unless you had some specific exemption (tours in a combat zone for a full tax year, perhaps?), or there is a statute of limitations for this sort of thing that you have now satisfied, you might want to take some care about what you say on a public forum like this.  Tax regulations are quite clear that military personnel are required to file tax returns, just like the rest of us.  See,  for example, IRS Form 3: Armed Forces' Tax Guide.

Turbotax reports ....

“Probably a good 80 percent or more of service members will file the 1040-EZ because they don’t own property or have very many investments,” said U.S. Army Reserves Maj. Monica Rigaud, a financial manager for the Department of Defense.


These are current rules, of course, but soldiers were required to file income tax returns in the 1950s.

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Whatever you do now, Karl, don't tell the IRS about your mistake. Doing so could cost you millions of dollars. I'm serious. One year when I was young I didn't have money to pay federal taxes. I figured I'd file a 1040 once I had enough to pay my taxes. By the time I did a few years later, penalties and interest alone for not filing had ballooned to $54,000. I discovered the hard way that I should have filed a return, and then not paid till I could. What owed was a tiny fraction of the penalty I ended up with.

 

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Now that Sandy and I have done our civic duties to suggest that Karl be careful, I’d like to address his larger point.  If we were to believe that Oswald did fill out a 1956 tax return on Feb. 27, 1957, we would note that at the time he signed the form, Classic Oswald® was not yet 17 and a half years old.

On several occasions in the past John asked me if I filled out tax forms when I was 17.  It’s been so long that I honestly don’t remember, but I’ll bet most 17-year-olds kind of let this responsibility slip.  All the more amazing that our Oswald provided all the info on all his jobs except the Big One: with the United States Marine Corps.

Can you imagine sitting in a Marine Corps uniform, sitting at a desk or table and filling out a Form 1040, including information from three previous employers, but not including your current employer, the USMC.  Seems unimaginable. 

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47 minutes ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:
1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said:

These are current rules, of course, but soldiers were required to file income tax returns in the 1950s.

But, as Karl Hilliard points out, not all did. Which is exactly what I suggested. Another H&L mystery solved.


But Oswald DID file his income tax return (according to the WC). So the mystery is not solved.

 

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Oswald’s 1956 tax return is remarkable in that it failed to include income from his then current employer, the United States Marine Corps.  It didn’t contain that information because the Department of the Navy didn’t release Oswald’s military pay records until September 15, 1964, well after the document was forged by the FBI. 

Here are three 1956 W-2 forms that are in perfect agreement with the forged 1956 tax return.

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These documents were allegedly found among Oswald’s possessions, but instead they were really planted by the FBI, to hide true employment dates that would have shown that two young men named “Oswald” had been working and living in New Orleans in 1956.

On November 22nd and 23rd, 1963, the Dallas Police conducted a search of Oswald's rooming house at 1026 N. Beckley and Ruth Paine's house in Irving, TX. According to Gus Rose, he and R. S. Stovall and John P. Adamcik spent hours initialing every item they found at Ruth Paine's garage and Oswald's rooming house at 1026 N. Beckley. The Dallas Police then made a handwritten list of all the items found. The handwritten list was then typed at Dallas Police Headquarters and eventually became the following Warren Commission exhibits: Stovall A--a typed version of the handwritten list from Nov. 22; Stovall B--a typed version of the handwritten list from Nov. 23; Turner Exhibit 1—a typed list of items found at 1026 N. Beckley.

None of the W-2 forms shown above appear in the original Dallas Police lists of Oswald’s possessions.  There are no initials from Gus Rose, R.S. Stovall, or John Adamcik on any of the forms.  So where did they come from?

Answer: The W-2 forms only appeared among Oswald’s so-called possessions after the items confiscated by Dallas Police had been secretly transferred to FBI headquarters in the wee hours of the night of November 22/23 and then secretly returned to Dallas three days later, on November 26.  We know this because FBI specialist James Cadigan inadvertently referred to the secret transfer in his sworn testimony, which then had to be altered by the Warren Commission.

 

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The FBI and the WC  would like us to believe that 16-year-old “Lee Harvey Oswald” kept the J.R. Michels, Tujague's, and Pfisterer W-2 forms for the next 7 years, from 1956 to 1963, yet lost or never received a W-2 form from the Marine Corps while on active duty.  What a hoot!

There is much more evidence showing how these documents were forged, and I can provide more later.
 

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Of course I had checked  the information on taxes  from distant years....
 
"Is there a time limit for the IRS to collect back taxes?
As a general rule, there is a ten year statute of limitations on IRS collections. This means that the IRS can attempt to collect your unpaid taxes for up to ten years from the date they were assessed. Subject to some important exceptions, once the ten years are up, the IRS has to stop its collection efforts."
 
What about those paper routes  some of us had when we were kids?
They were legally taxable.
[Military pay wasn't much better]
I never received any w-2 forms from the Navy.  Why not?
They would have come to my home address?
My super straight parents would have kept them and notified me.
In fact my mother or father would have done my taxes for me.
I would have signed forms and so on.
 
Concerning the 1956 Oswald tax forms, did I read earlier in the thread that the FBI didn't/couldn't have find out what his earnings were for the rest of that year? I'm sure that's not correct. I think they did and chose to ignore it.
 
Was there any conflict in Social Security numbers?
 
Another anomaly in the story...both Oswald and his imposter are described as 5'8"-5'9" 140-150 lbs and yet the separation papers and ID states  5'11".  Never resolved.
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Of course I had checked  the information on taxes  from distant years....
 
"Is there a time limit for the IRS to collect back taxes?
As a general rule, there is a ten year statute of limitations on IRS collections. This means that the IRS can attempt to collect your unpaid taxes for up to ten years from the date they were assessed. Subject to some important exceptions, once the ten years are up, the IRS has to stop its collection efforts."
 
What about those paper routes  some of us had when we were kids?
They were legally taxable.
[Military pay wasn't much better]
I never received any w-2 forms from the Navy.  Why not?
They would have come to my home address?
My super straight parents would have kept them and notified me.
In fact my mother or father would have done my taxes for me.
I would have signed forms and so on.
 
Concerning the 1956 Oswald tax forms, did I read earlier in the thread that the FBI didn't/couldn't have find out what his earnings were for the rest of that year? I'm sure that's not correct. I think they did and chose to ignore it.
 
Was there any conflict in Social Security numbers?
 
Another anomaly in the story...both Oswald and his imposter are described as 5'8"-5'9" 140-150 lbs and yet the separation papers and ID states  5'11".  Never resolved.
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3 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

But Oswald DID file his income tax return (according to the WC). So the mystery is not solved.

You guys can continue to post documents and data dumps but the fact remains that none of this matters. Scientific evidence has proven the H&L theory to be false. And until you debunk that scientific evidence (which you can't do) these are the facts. H&L was debunked by the same scientific evidence the HSCA used (and the privately funded exhumation used) to refute other double Oswald theories.

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2 hours ago, Michael Walton said:

Sandy the reason why I  keep making that point is because if there's  no room in the SS narrative  to fit HL at the 1960 point, then it negates HL all the way back to 53.


And that's the reason I pointed out that the vast majority of H&L evidence is before that 1960 point. And so SS doesn't negate H&L.

 

 

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Sandy, the basic thinking of this is if it didn't happen from 60 to 63 it didn't happen at all (prior to 60).

For example, if a ball player played 3 years in the majors, all of his batting and fielding is recorded.  Bill Simpich and SS has pretty much done the same thing from 60 to 63.

But to go back to the ball player analogy, the HL supporters are also saying that this ball player's clone played 10 years before those three that have been duly documented. At the same time you're also saying that for the 3 years the ball player's clone was also playing.

Now I know you're going to say that there is "evidence" to support the clone player playing those 3 years as well as the 10 years prior. The problem first is it'd be impossible for the clone to also have played during those 3 years.  Someone - actually many people - would have come forward, photos would have been recorded, films would have been taken, stories would have been told.  All we have is an interpretation of documents and records that were actually misinterpreted - a shoehorning of the evidence, if you will. An interpretation of evidence does not guarantee that it's right, unlike Bill did with SS. He's actually proving each and every step as he goes with no pre-conceived notions added in.  This is one of the biggest fallacies of HL supporters.

So because of this, if it couldn't possibly have happened from 60-63 then it also didn't happen prior. 

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16 minutes ago, Michael Walton said:

So because of this, if it couldn't possibly have happened from 60-63 then it also didn't happen prior.


Michael,

There were Oswald impersonator(s) after Oswald's return from Russia. This is a widely accepted fact. And so if these impersonator(s) conflict with State Secret, then SS is defective. (I doubt they do conflict.)

Jim Hargrove and John Armstrong believe that these impersonators were LEE. I'm not sure of that myself. But regardless of who the impersonators were, the fact that they existed shows that they didn't conflict with SS.

 

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