A Couple of Real Gems from the "Harvey and Lee" Website

[Thomas Graves]

35 minutes ago, Michael Walton said:

No Tom of course it's not you.  It's the guy with the Greg Norman floppy hat on and dark glasses.  The last time I used a name I was accused of being an asshole. So now when I don't use a name I'm an asshole all over.  I can't win here but maybe I just am one.

PS - you don't strike me as a conspiracy is everywhere kind of guy.

Mikey,

Sandy's a pretty sharp guy.  And from time-to-time he's able to think critically and in an unbiased way about the JFK assassination.

I'm sorry that he and I showed you to be way off in left field regarding Neck Scratcher and Gangly Man, that he made a "huge, crazy" boo-boo when he said a guy on those Grassy Knoll steps had what looked like a gun in his hand, and that he was basically right about the trajectory of a baseball when it's thrown (with sufficient force, of course) from deep left field to home plate.

I still have great hopes for him, myself, and you should, too.  IMHO.

So, why don't you just swallow your pride-full-ness for once, and learn to get along with him?  You know, let bygones be bygones and that sort of thing?

It's too bad you don't realize advantages of collaborating from time-to-time with one's "ideological" or "personal" opponents/enemies on this forum, nor, as a case in point, the import of Sandy's and my collaborative effort in identifying "Big Girl" Gloria Calvery on Elm Street during the motorcade, and of her speaking with Lovelady on the TSBD steps about 30 seconds after the assassination, imho.

Etc.

--  Tommy

Edited April 14, 2017 by Thomas Graves

[Michael Walton]

Uh, you do realize that he believes in the HL nonsense right? And you do realize that he mentioned above that in essence he doesn't trust anything the government says right?

What he said is the whole essence of this thread - gov is bad = conspiracy is everywhere = HL, which was quite revealing because I'd always suspected he and others like him believing in this silly story, 67% of the frames of the Z film have been removed, and so on. So that's what you're basing your IMO on his sharpness on? I wouldn't call that exactly sharp.  I mean how can a "sharp" guy be constantly digging around here thinking he's going to solve something where there's nothing to solve? Or do you now believe in the HL nonsense as well?

And I'm still right about the baseball.  The reason is I've done it before and I don't ever remember having to aim my throw the equivalent of 150 ft up in the air for it reach home.  Unlike him I have the experience of actually doing it compared to going to Yahoo and finding some silly math formula.

But whatever....

[Thomas Graves]

18 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said:

Mikey,

Sandy's a pretty sharp guy.  And from time-to-time he's able to think critically and in an unbiased way about the JFK assassination.

I'm sorry that he and I showed you to be way off in left field regarding Neck Scratcher and Gangly Man, that he made a "huge, crazy" boo-boo when he said a guy on those Grassy Knoll steps had what looked like a gun in his hand, and that he was basically right about the trajectory of a baseball when it's thrown (with sufficient force, of course) from deep left field to home plate.

I still have great hopes for him, myself, and you should, too.  IMHO.

So, why don't you just swallow your pride-full-ness for once, and learn to get along with him?  You know, let bygones be bygones and that sort of thing?

It's too bad you don't realize advantages of collaborating from time-to-time with one's "ideological" or "personal" opponents/enemies on this forum, nor, as a case in point, the import of Sandy's and my collaborative effort in identifying "Big Girl" Gloria Calvery on Elm Street during the motorcade, and of her speaking with Lovelady on the TSBD steps about 30 seconds after the assassination, imho.

Etc.

--  Tommy

Edited and bumped for Mike "The Grudge Holder" Walton 

[Thomas Graves]

4 hours ago, Michael Walton said:

Uh, you do realize that he believes in the HL nonsense right? And you do realize that he mentioned above that in essence he doesn't trust anything the government says right?

What he said is the whole essence of this thread - gov is bad = conspiracy is everywhere = HL, which was quite revealing because I'd always suspected he and others like him believing in this silly story, 67% of the frames of the Z film have been removed, and so on. So that's what you're basing your IMO on his sharpness on? I wouldn't call that exactly sharp.  I mean how can a "sharp" guy be constantly digging around here thinking he's going to solve something where there's nothing to solve? Or do you now believe in the HL nonsense as well?

And I'm still right about the baseball.  The reason is I've done it before and I don't ever remember having to aim my throw the equivalent of 150 ft up in the air for it reach home.  Unlike him I have the experience of actually doing it compared to going to Yahoo and finding some silly math formula.

But whatever....

Yes, Mike, I'm full aware of that.  But regardless, I still have significantly more hope for him than I do for the other acolytes of the Harvey and Lee and the Two Marguerites ... uh ... Church.

Truth-be-told, I pray every night when I go to bed that Sandy will soon experience a severe crisis of "faith".  Not unlike what Soren Kierkegaard must have gone through before he locked himself inside his room.  But wait!  Am I mistaken?

Was that Gregor Samsa, instead?

I do get SO confused, sometimes!

--  Tommy

Like I said, it depends on how far away that skyscraper is away from deep left field, doesn't it.

Edited April 14, 2017 by Thomas Graves

[Michael Walton]

So let me get this straight.  When the argument was about languages and you were all over Hargrove about it? But when a nutty looking under the rock kind of person finally reveals his nuttiness, and I mention it that THIS...this is the reason for the craziness on this thread, I'm prideful and all of this other bullxxxx?

Unreal.

Edited April 14, 2017 by Michael Walton

[Jim Hargrove]

1 hour ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Jim,

I enlarged that collage and had a hard time reading much of it.

I wonder if Dropbox (the host for the photo) compressed it further.

Apparently so, 'cause I selected that rez carefully with the captions in mind.  I have an 8-10 meg version of the poster floating around somewhere with fairly sharp text. If you want it, PM me with an email address (gmail would avoid file size issues for both of us) and I'll try to dig it up and send it to you.  Pls bear in mind that my everyday Linux machine went down in flames yesterday and I'm limping along now in Windoze, which I barely remember how to use.  But I have backed up that hi-rez file somewhere and should be able to send it your way.

Just my opinion, again, but I think the photographic evidence in this case is enormously  compromised.  We're dealing with the things they (Hoover et al) forgot to cover up, and photos are the first things they probably thought about.

[Michael Walton]

Putting this here.  It's obvious there's no clone - it's the same person who had a mastoid, grew up in TX, lived in NYC, was in the military, went to Russia, came back, was gunned down by Ruby, and was buried in the coffin, the same one that was exhumed years. End of story.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7Hr9Lrku-CxNW11S3NkSGNRbXc

[Thomas Graves]

3 hours ago, Michael Walton said:

So let me get this straight.  When the argument was about languages and you were all over Hargrove about it? But when a nutty looking under the rock kind of person finally reveals his nuttiness, and I mention it that THIS...this is the reason for the craziness on this thread, I'm prideful and all of this other bullxxxx?

Un-xxxxing-believable.

Dear Mikey,

Huh?

Don't you see the difference between them, Mike "Grudge Holder" Walton?

James Hargrove is close-minded (IMHO) and is therefore ...  hopeless (IMHO).

Sandy is more ... open-minded ... and smarter than Hargrove by far (IMHO).

I mean, I mean, I mean.

Which are you, anyway, --  envious, or jealous (hmm?) -- of my ... uh ... "relationship" with Sandy?

Ever considered ... psychoanalysis?

(lol)

--  Tommy

I just now realized that you remind me of Donald Trump.  Feelings easily hurt, overly defensive, and it's all about "winning" isn't it.

Sorry, but you did ask for it.

Edited April 14, 2017 by Thomas Graves

[Jim Hargrove]

This should be better, despite suspected DropBox compression .... 

 

[Sandy Larsen]

On 4/13/2017 at 6:04 PM, Michael Walton said:

And you do realize that [Sandy Larsen] mentioned above that in essence he doesn't trust anything the government says right?

And now for what I REALLY said:

It's a methodology I apply to everything re. the JFK assassination. I trust the authorities only when:

     1.  There is no incentive for them to lie. Or...

     2.  What they report is evidence against the official story they are trying to push.

Walton conveniently leaves off the part I underlined here in his attempt to discredit me.

(BTW, notice that I didn't state that everything else the authorities say is a lie. I merely said I don't trust it to be the truth.)

 

Edited April 15, 2017 by Sandy Larsen

[Sandy Larsen]

2 hours ago, Michael Walton said:

And I'm still right about the baseball.  The reason is I've done it before and I don't ever remember having to aim my throw the equivalent of 150 ft up in the air for it reach home.

Right. And the earth is flat. I know because I've looked at it and it looks flat.

LOL

 

Edited April 14, 2017 by Sandy Larsen

[Michael Clark]

28 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

And now for what I REALLY said:

It's a methodology I apply to everything re. the JFK assassination. I trust the authorities only when:

     1.  There is no incentive for them to lie. And...

     2.  What they report is evidence against the official story they are trying to push.

Walton conveniently leaves off the part I underlined here in his attempt to discredit me.

(BTW, notice that I didn't state that everything else the authorities say is a lie. I merely said I don't trust it to be the truth.)

 

As an academic excercise when it comes to what the Government is telling me, I ALWAYS assume that I am being lied to. Then look at whether that assumption makes any sense and adjust beliefs accordingly.

It's really important. iMHO

[Sandy Larsen]

1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said:

This should be better, despite suspected DropBox compression .... 

 

Thanks Jim. That's a lot easier to read.

 

[Sandy Larsen]

On 4/12/2017 at 4:40 PM, Thomas Graves said:

Thanks, Sandy.

It would be nice if a Harvey and Lee and the Two Marguerites specialist were to put together a new graphic showing, separately, all of the photos of "Lee," and all of the photos of "Harvey" (which appear to be all mixed together in Jack White's "poster"), and which included, if necessary, a special category for "undecided."

(I've got a sneakin' hunch that the "undecided" photos will comprise a very large group, indeed.)

--  Tommy

You may be right, Tommy.

I compared my list of Harvey's and Lee's with David Josephs' list and they were Identical or almost identical. However, I have a number of disagreements with whomever it was who wrote the captions for the Evolution of Oswald poster.

[Thomas Graves]

37 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

You may be right, Tommy.

I compared my list of Harvey's and Lee's with David Josephs' list and they were Identical or almost identical. However, I have a number of disagreements with whomever it was who wrote the captions for the Evolution of Oswald poster.

Sandy,

Not sure I understand.  (What else is new, right?)

I may be right about what?

--  Tommy

I don't want to sound overly pedantic, but I think it should be "whoever" in that sentence.

Yeah, yeah I know  .. "Whatever".

Edited April 14, 2017 by Thomas Graves