A Couple of Real Gems from the "Harvey and Lee" Website

[Thomas Graves]

On 3/28/2017 at 4:55 AM, W. Tracy Parnell said:

No, you can't prove any of it. BTW, who's Dr. James Norwood?

He's some academic specialist, on the 19th Century French dramatist Jean Giraudoux.

He's also a narrator of fantasy books.

LOL

--  Tommy

Ahh, France.  The home of Thierry "Fake News" Speth, who misidentified Gloria Calvery on Elm Street way back in the day, which mis-identification is still haunting serious JFK assassination students and true researchers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_20_hoax

Edited April 1, 2017 by Thomas Graves

[Jim Hargrove]

4 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

I did some online searching and found that even today, most U.S. Navy ships do not have a medical staff on board, other than a couple of corpsmen.

On Answers.com I found the following:

Do navy ships have a doctor on board?

It depends on the size of the ship. In the U.S. Navy, cruisers, destroyers, and frigates normally do not have a doctor on board, they will have a couple of corpsmen, sort of super EMTs, to stabilize individuals until they can be medivaced to a ship or shore station with a hospital. Many  of the larger amphibious ships and aircraft carriers will have doctors and dentists aboard.

The U.S.S. Skagit is roughly the same size as cruisers, destroyers, and frigates. They all have a crew of about 300. In contrast, aircraft carriers have a crew on the order of 5000.

The U.S.S. Skagit would have had a sick bay. But it certainly would not have had a pathology lab for performing smear, culture, and sensitivity tests. And yet Oswald -- who certainly was aboard the ship at the time -- had two or three such lab tests performed, according to his sick call records.. The one given on September 16, 1958 specifically states "To Lab for Smear." To what lab?... if aboard the ship??

I just don't see how these tests could have been performed had Oswald been on board the U.S.S Skagit. And yet we know he was.

This points to there being two Oswalds.

 

That’s valuable research, Sandy.  It undermines the latest excuse-du jour from the One-Oswald-No-Matter-What group, who would like us to believe USMC medical records are stamped with hospital/base locations where Marines USED TO BE.  It’s an absurd (and desperate) position, and your discovery makes that even clearer.

What happened to Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald following his brief stay on Taiwan is fascinating.  With American-born Lee Oswald still stationed at Atsugi, Japan, Harvey Oswald left Taiwan around Oct. 6, 1958 and was sent to the Marine base at Santa Ana, California—MACS 9.  He remained there for nearly a year, until his 9/15/59 dependency discharge due to “Marguerite’s” sore nose. 

During that 11-month stay at MACS 9, Lee HARVEY Oswald established his identity as a Russian-speaking and Russian-reading commie sympathizer whose pro-Russian opinions and activities led his fellow Marines to call him  “Oswaldovich.”  The Warren Commission ignored the evidence that, during this same time frame, American-born LEE Oswald returned from Atsugi to the MACS 3 jet aircraft facility at El Toro, California.

From this point on, the Warren Commission reported solely on the life of Harvey Oswald, although it downplayed his Russian-speaking abilities to comply with LBJ’s demands that LHO be described as a  Lone Nut with no particular ties to anyone (especially the FBI and U.S. Intelligence).

[Thomas Graves]

9 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

I did some online searching and found that even today, most U.S. Navy ships do not have a medical staff on board, other than a couple of corpsmen.

On Answers.com I found the following:

Do navy ships have a doctor on board?

It depends on the size of the ship. In the U.S. Navy, cruisers, destroyers, and frigates normally do not have a doctor on board, they will have a couple of corpsmen, sort of super EMTs, to stabilize individuals until they can be medivaced to a ship or shore station with a hospital. Many  of the larger amphibious ships and aircraft carriers will have doctors and dentists aboard.

The U.S.S. Skagit is roughly the same size as cruisers, destroyers, and frigates. They all have a crew of about 300. In contrast, aircraft carriers have a crew on the order of 5000.

The U.S.S. Skagit would have had a sick bay. But it certainly would not have had a pathology lab for performing smear, culture, and sensitivity tests. And yet Oswald -- who certainly was aboard the ship at the time -- had two or three such lab tests performed, according to his sick call records.. The one given on September 16, 1958 specifically states "To Lab for Smear." To what lab?... if aboard the ship??

I just don't see how these tests could have been performed had Oswald been on board the U.S.S Skagit. And yet we know he was.

This points to there being two Oswalds.

 

Doctor Larsen,

I wonder if the following would have any bearing on the issue at hand (pardon the pun).

" 13. Technically, there is no legal proof that Oswald had gonorrhea because the doctors took a smear rather than a culture.  Dr. Donabedian testified (8H313-14) that normally the doctors would use the smear method and, if the results appeared to be gonorrhea, would just assume it was and treat it as such, regardless of whether it might actually have been a different bacteria involved."

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/vd.htm#N_13_

 

--  Tommy

 

Edited April 1, 2017 by Thomas Graves

[W. Tracy Parnell]

1 hour ago, Thomas Graves said:

He's some academic specialist, on the 19th Century French dramatist Jean Giraudoux.

He's also a narrator of fantasy books.

LOL

--  Tommy

Ahh, France.  The home of Thierry "Fake News" Speth, who misidentified Gloria Calvery on Elm Street way back in the day, which mis-identification is still haunting serious JFK assassination students and true researchers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_20_hoax

His PhD is in Dramatic Arts so he is apparently out of his discipline when commenting on H&L. But that's ok, everybody has an opinion when it comes to this case..

[Thomas Graves]

6 minutes ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:

His PhD is in Dramatic Arts so he is apparently out of his discipline when commenting on H&L. But that's ok, everybody has an opinion when it comes to this case..

And, after doing a little "research," it looks like his dad(?), also named James L. Norwood, might have been mayor of Burbank, California, home of Lockeed's "Skunk Works" and ... the Disney Studios ... , for a few years (1931 - 1933).

Edited April 1, 2017 by Thomas Graves

[Michael Walton]

I think one of the biggest and craziest things regarding this whole silly Harvey and Lee fairy tale - with Jocular Jim and his don't know any better followers (like Laughing Larsen) keeping it moving along - is this:

It's so very easy to spin a "neither here nor there" yarn like this based on files that are not 100% accurate, and school records that aren't completely accurate.

As Parnell said when I mentioned how do we know that things going on with the one-and-only Oswald's medical records being recorded in a master file, we just don't know how or when these things were handled.  Oswald was one of thousands of soldiers being moved around from ship to shore and back again.  All of these people, including those keeping the records, were just doing their jobs.  That's all.

The same with the school records. And yet the entire file scenario has been spinned into this ridiculous story.  And why?  Jocular Jim has never told us why. Why would the bad guys being doing this 10 whole years before 1963? Why would they take a kid and his Mom and if by magic, find a kid that looks like him from 10,000 miles away, bring him here, and then the found kid, whose entire family was wiped out over in Hungary, is matched up with a woman who also just so happens to look like the U.S. kid's Mom?

Jocular Jim keeps backing up his arguments with more and more discrepancies in the files. He's basically saying "Oswald 1 was here according to one record, but over here, a record says he was there. So therefore, there just had to be an Oswald 2."

When I asked earlier above about the record-keeping and how do we know that they were just keeping medical records in a master file, Parnell said it could be that way, but we just don't know.  But when you flip this on its head and ask the exact same thing to Jocular Jim - how do we KNOW that if one record says he was there and another says he was here - how do we KNOW there just had to be two clones?

If Jocular Jim was really honest about it, he would say "True. We don't really know."  But he won't because if he does then the whole house of cards charade of a story will just collapse. Didn't Jocular Jim say this a while back? Something to the effect of "It's a great story but if it's proven wrong....who cares?" or something similar?

[W. Tracy Parnell]

2 minutes ago, Michael Walton said:

Didn't Jocular Jim say this a while back? Something to the effect of "It's a great story but if it's proven wrong....who cares?" or something similar?

Why, yes he did:

http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/01/so-what.html

Good post BTW Michael.

[W. Tracy Parnell]

42 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said:

Technically, there is no legal proof that Oswald had gonorrhea

To this point, Jack Swike in his book The Missing Chapter,  offers a theory that LHO did not have gonorrhea:

On September 14, Lieutenant Colonel J.N. Cupp assumed command of MACS-1, joining his squadron in Taiwan. On that same day, Oswald reports to the infirmary with a urethral discharge, which was diagnosed as possible gonorrhea. Oswald returns to the infirmary on September 20th, 22nd, 23rd, and 29th, and on October 6thand 24thwith the same complaints. He is given antibiotics but to no relief. Finally on October 24th, he is treated with Pyridium to relieve his symptoms. On October 6th, his diagnosis is changed from gonorrhea to a non-venereal condition.

Because I routinely handled MAG-11 venereal disease investigations, and was treated for pneumonia by the same Navy physician who testified before the Warren Commission, I can confirm that it was quite common for Marines to come down with non-specific urethritis that did not respond to antibiotics. Captain Donabedian was in charge of the Atsugi Infirmary, but did not initially diagnose patients. Therefore, Oswald’s diagnosis was probably made by a junior Naval surgeon, and was signed off by Capt. Donabedian on September 16, 1958.

Many Marines who claimed they never left the base came down with this non-specific urethritis. MAG-11 flight surgeon Dr. Lebeske told me that he believed the disease was transferred through the laundry, because the Japanese did not heat the water to over 160 degrees, and thus certain bacteria could survive. The treatment was to take Pyridium and to stop drinking alcohol, which appeared to work fairly well. So in conclusion, Oswald did not have venereal disease while in Japan, and none of the Marines in MAG-11 with similar symptoms was given that diagnosis.

 

[Jim Hargrove]

Isn’t it amazing how Parnell and Walton will engage in endless name-calling and personal attacks against me and anyone else saying anything they don’t like, but they refuse to discuss the EVIDENCE?  Instead of whining and crying about how bad I am, why don’t they answer a few questions about “Lee Harvey Oswald” in the U.S.M.C.?

Why don’t Parnell and Walton explain why the Office of the Secretary of Defense, confronted by Oswald’s Atsugi health records, decided to lie to the HSCA?  

 

The evidence that Harvey Oswald traveled to Taiwan aboard the USS Skagit (AKA 105) is simply enormous.  There are Unit Diaries showing him aboard the AKA 105, and Unit Diaries showing him in Taiwan.

 

 

Lieutenant John Donovan remembered that Oswald took photographs of troop deployments, fighter aircraft, ammunition bunkers, and F - 86 aircraft while in Taiwan. These photos from Taiwan were discovered by the Dallas cops among Harvey Oswald’s possessions after the assassination.  They are now in JFK collection at the National Archives.

In 1959, after "defecting" to the Soviet Union, Harvey Oswald talked about his experience in Taiwan with Priscilla Johnson at the Metropole Hotel in Moscow. Oswald said, "After I finished high school I joined the Marine Corps at 17 .... I was in Japan, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Formosa [another name for Taiwan].”

There’s lots more evidence about Harvey Oswald in Taiwan, but let’s just cut to the chase.  A naval message of November 4, 1959 reported that Oswald served with Marine Air Control Squadrons in Taiwan.

 

 

Harvey Oswald clearly was in Taiwan while Lee Oswald was stationed at Atsugi, Japan.  Why, when confronted by Lee Oswald’s Atsugi health records, did the Office of the Secretary of Defense decide to claim Oswald didn’t go to Taiwan?  Parnell and Walton don’t want to address that question.  They just want to whine and cry about how horrible I am, and how I just don’t care.  How pitiful.
 

 

How, Tommy, do you explain this?

 

 

Edited April 17, 2017 by Jim Hargrove

[Michael Clark]

5 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Isn’t it amazing how Parnell and Walton will engage in endless name-calling and personal attacks against me and anyone else saying anything they don’t like, but they refuse to discuss the EVIDENCE?  Instead of whining and crying about how bad I am, why don’t they answer a few questions about “Lee Harvey Oswald” in the U.S. Navy?

 

I have to agree Jim. The personal ridicule is unfortunate. Disputing theories is the purpose of the forum. Attacking the bringer of the theory is unnecessary. 

What would really be great is if those who disagree would explain-away instances that make-up the whole of the Harvey and Lee theory. I posted a thread not long ago, asking for that kind of debate. No one seems to want to take up the debate on that basis.

Cheers, 

Michael

[Sandy Larsen]

2 hours ago, Thomas Graves said:

Doctor Larsen,

I wonder if the following would have any bearing on the issue at hand (pardon the pun).

" 13. Technically, there is no legal proof that Oswald had gonorrhea because the doctors took a smear rather than a culture.  Dr. Donabedian testified (8H313-14) that normally the doctors would use the smear method and, if the results appeared to be gonorrhea, would just assume it was and treat it as such, regardless of whether it might actually have been a different bacteria involved."

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/vd.htm#N_13_

 

--  Tommy

 

Tommy,

I don't know whether or not Oswald had gonorrhea. What I do know is that he had more than just smear tests. He also had a culture & sensitivity test. So I don't know why point #13 that you quoted says that a culture wasn't done.

 

[James DiEugenio]

Parnell is quoting Jack Swike?

 

OMG, this guy is shameless.  Swike was an idolator of Jim Angleton.

[W. Tracy Parnell]

54 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Isn’t it amazing how Parnell and Walton will engage in endless name-calling and personal attacks against me and anyone else

I wish you would point me to an instance where I called someone a name or attacked them personally. Michael said "jocular Jim" not me I was just quoting him.

[Sandy Larsen]

9 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

I did some online searching and found that even today, most U.S. Navy ships do not have a medical staff on board, other than a couple of corpsmen.

On Answers.com I found the following:

Do navy ships have a doctor on board?

It depends on the size of the ship. In the U.S. Navy, cruisers, destroyers, and frigates normally do not have a doctor on board, they will have a couple of corpsmen, sort of super EMTs, to stabilize individuals until they can be medivaced to a ship or shore station with a hospital. Many  of the larger amphibious ships and aircraft carriers will have doctors and dentists aboard.

The U.S.S. Skagit is roughly the same size as cruisers, destroyers, and frigates. They all have a crew of about 300. In contrast, aircraft carriers have a crew on the order of 5000.

The U.S.S. Skagit would have had a sick bay. But it certainly would not have had a pathology lab for performing smear, culture, and sensitivity tests. And yet Oswald -- who certainly was aboard the ship at the time -- had two or three such lab tests performed, according to his sick call records.. The one given on September 16, 1958 specifically states "To Lab for Smear." To what lab?... if aboard the ship??

I just don't see how these tests could have been performed had Oswald been on board the U.S.S Skagit. And yet we know he was.

This points to there being two Oswalds.

 

I believe that Oswald was treated by a Dr. Kuehn. The name Kuehn can be seen in multiple places in Oswald's sick call records:
 

 

If you look at Kuehn's prescription for the culture & sensitivity test, here:

http://digitalcollections.baylor.edu/utils/getfile/collection/po-arm/id/42603/filename/42597.pdfpage/page/39#toolbar=1&navpanes=1&search=%22medical%22

you'll see his name is written down as DR Kuhen. (His name is misspelled on the prescription, so somebody obviously wrote that for him.) This indicates that Kuehn was a doctor.

And since doctors were likely not assigned to small ships like the U.S.S. Skagit (just as they aren't today), then Oswald was likely treated on shore at Atsugi and not on the ship.

(Note that there is some possibility that the letters DR are Kuehn's initials, given that both letters are capitalized. However, the R is a "small cap," which is the way a lowercase letter is sometimes written by some people. Also, whoever wrote Kuehn's last name didn't know the man well enough to correctly spell his name. He likely would not have known his middle initial either. So I believe the letters stand for "Dr.")

 

Edited April 1, 2017 by Sandy Larsen

[W. Tracy Parnell]

44 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

Parnell is quoting Jack Swike?

 

OMG, this guy is shameless.  Swike was an idolator of Jim Angleton.

So Swike likes Angleton. That means anything he says is false? How about if he says water is wet?