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W. Tracy Parnell

Veciana and the CIA

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Parnell: 'As Morley says, two CIA employees did indeed say that they thought Phillips used the name Bishop. However, both later recanted. In a HSCA deposition, former CIA director John McCone stated that he thought that a Maurice Bishop had worked for the agency. [8] However, just over a month later in a letter from the CIA’s office of Legislative Council, McCone recanted.'[9] So where should we put the weight, on the original statement or the recantation? Just because somebody recants does not mean the original assertion was untrue. After all, 30 years after the assassination, in Posner's book, some of the Parkland doctors disavowed their November 22, 1963 assertions regarding the JFK head wound. And we all know what nonsense that was. As a matter of fact, original statements are usually given freely, and we may surmise that a later about-face could very well be the result of intimidation or coercion.
 

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2 hours ago, Steve Cearfoss said:

Just because somebody recants does not mean the original assertion was untrue

Correct. I am just pointing out alternatives.

Edited by W. Tracy Parnell

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I can't get into cases now, but I suspect from my own studies that the cognomen "Bishop" was used by more than one person at CIA for forays into the field.  I suspect Tracey Barnes used "Bishop:" also when out of the office.  Check the past threads for other research on this.

Edited by David Andrews

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9 hours ago, David Andrews said:

I can't get into cases now, but I suspect from my own studies that the cognomen "Bishop" was used by more than one person at CIA for forays into the field.  I suspect Tracey Barnes used "Bishop:" also when out of the office.  Check the past threads for other research on this.

Kind of like Nagell and possibly others may have used Hidell?

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22 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

Kind of like Nagell and possibly others may have used Hidell?

On a lower operational level, but yes.  My sense is that there were migratory field names at CIA, and they were used to confuse field contacts and destroy culpability, but perhaps also to certify persons dropping the name ( e. g., "Bishop") to other persons observing an op at CIA.

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2 hours ago, David Andrews said:

On a lower operational level, but yes.  My sense is that there were migratory field names at CIA, and they were used to confuse field contacts and destroy culpability, but perhaps also to certify persons dropping the name ( e. g., "Bishop") to other persons observing an op at CIA.

Agreed, the name,"Bishop" may have been more the name of a title or position. 

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27 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:

Agreed, the name,"Bishop" may have been more the name of a title or position. 

Maybe more like planned confusion?  Obfuscation?  Bishop was Phillips.  Phiilips was Barnes.  Barnes was Bishop.  Bishop was Smith or Jones.  Phillips was Bishop? 

 

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18 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

Maybe more like planned confusion?  Obfuscation?  Bishop was Phillips.  Phiilips was Barnes.  Barnes was Bishop.  Bishop was Smith or Jones.  Phillips was Bishop? 

 

Planned confusion and obfuscation are what code-names are all about, right?

David Andrews' observation struck a chord with me. I think there is something going on there.

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Veciana was cut a check for what...$250,000? Which in today's dollars would be well over $1,000,000?

Nobody pays that large a sum to someone who they feel has done them a great deal of harm.

That was such a huge amount at the time.  

How does this fact play in the larger picture of Veciana's credibility or his truthfulness in all that he has said and written since then?

I don't know...but handing someone in Veciana's covert field that kind of dough ( without it being hidden ) means something important in my mind.

 

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16 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

Agreed, the name,"Bishop" may have been more the name of a title or position. 

Remember that Howard Hunt was, allegedly, once going by "Knight."

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6 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

Veciana was cut a check for what...$250,000? Which in today's dollars would be well over $1,000,000?

Nobody pays that large a sum to someone who they feel has done them a great deal of harm.

That was such a huge amount at the time.  

How does this fact play in the larger picture of Veciana's credibility or his truthfulness in all that he has said and written since then?

I don't know...but handing someone in Veciana's covert field that kind of dough ( without it being hidden ) means something important in my mind.

 

Remember, there is no independent confirmation for the $250,000. It is just his word and as I show at my site, what he is saying now doesn't match what he said in the early versions of his story. So I would be skeptical.

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Bishop...Knight...and Ozzie was just a Pawn.

Check.

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1 hour ago, Mark Knight said:

Bishop...Knight...and Ozzie was just a Pawn.

Check.

Mate.  I thought it was "only" 200 K not a a full quarter million (how much in todays money, again?).  But I don't remember the part about Phillips writing him a check.  Something about a bag of cash comes to mind.  I'm probably wrong  again or it's just my imagination runnin' away with me, again.

Pawn does not take out King without assistance of Bishop and Knight.

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