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Robert Hughes film shows a muzzle flash from the third floor of the records building?

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Yes, Bruce, thanks. And what is it above the window? It looks like a head but there is only wall there. And whatever it is, it isn't in Bell.

 

 

 

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Chris, thanks for that clip.  I just reviewed the Bell film and was not able to locate the people clapping  at the records bldg while JFK passed by.

If there are shots from that window, then those group of people would be involved.  Seems that the window in question has one person for sure, maybe two people.  The shadow shows something that looks like a rifle, then again it can be anything.

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1 hour ago, Bruce Johnson said:

It took me quite a while to finally see it. I think this what is being referred to.

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Judging by this still, the flash looks too large to be a muzzle flash from a rifle.

 

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6 minutes ago, Chris Davidson said:

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Someone didn't do a very good "doctoring" job.

Of course, if there wasn't something more original to compare with it, how would we've ever known.

What in the world is that?

 

 

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Each window consists of an upper and a lower pane. Apparently either can be opened.

Between each window and the one above it is a Dark Separator. This helps in determining where the windows are in the Hughes film.

The exterior window casings looks to be about a foot deep. In Chris's Bell gif we can see people hanging out and clapping in the second row of windows, especially in the second window from the left. The shadows of these people land on the north (left) side of the exterior window casing, and this is what we see moving in the Hughes film, a frame of which is here:

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The shadows of the waving people are above the "muzzle flash."

I believe the "muzzle flash" does look like one. However, for that to be a muzzle flash, the barrel of the gun must be located at the very bottom of the window (which is okay) and the gun must be aimed at a steep downward angle toward the sidewalk or road. Because we can see that the "flash" is in front of a Dark Separator, not the window.

I have to conclude that that is not a muzzle flash.

 

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5 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

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Each window consists of an upper and a lower pane. Apparently either can be opened.

Between each window and the one above it is a Dark Separator. This helps in determining where the windows are in the Hughes film.

 

Sandy, you're right. I misinterpreted what is in the Hughes film. What I thought were the windows are actually the dark separators. The windows themselves can't be seen, only the outer casings. But people can be seen hanging out at the bottom of the second window.

No wonder I didn't understand what I was seeing.

 

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Not one person looking up from the pavement or the cars, not one person in the building mentioning any rifle fire......and it's a scratch or a bit of dust with a bit of hair.

Seriously.

 

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On ‎7‎/‎24‎/‎2017 at 8:18 PM, Chris Davidson said:

Hughes reacts some 8 frames (.43sec) after the anomaly by stopping his camera.

Myers has it as a six frame stop.    ???

The jump is obvious, in the video.

 

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And before Hughes stops filming at the point you mention, there's a white stripe of emulsion loss at the top of a frame slightly later than the "flash."

If you were filming and saw a muzzle flash/heard a shot, wouldn't you keep filming at that spot?

Is the emulsion loss because the FBI, etc., were looking at those figures in the CRB window repeatedly?

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On 7/22/2017 at 10:06 AM, Ron Ecker said:

It could be emulsion loss, but what a coincidence that it occurs right at that window, the only one with something sticking out of it, at just the right time.

 

Coincidences mean everything when investigating a case.  Though the picture is interesting, can you point out one ground witness - and there were many- that said the shot came from that area?  The press vehicle is right there below the window and none of them appear to notice it.  Having been around live gun fire, people unaccustomed to a blast from a rifle jump.  So, although an interesting find, probably a coincidence without more.  I would recommend analysis be a specialist to determine what the image is, that is what would be required in court.

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1 hour ago, Cory Santos said:

Coincidences mean everything when investigating a case.  Though the picture is interesting, can you point out one ground witness - and there were many- that said the shot came from that area?  The press vehicle is right there below the window and none of them appear to notice it.  Having been around live gun fire, people unaccustomed to a blast from a rifle jump.  So, although an interesting find, probably a coincidence without more.  I would recommend analysis be a specialist to determine what the image is, that is what would be required in court.

Hi Cory, I do want to throw this in your conversation with Ron.  There where twelve Harley Davidson motorcycles in the motorcade - three advance motorcycles, five lead motorcycles and four presidential motorcycles. http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/M Disk/Motorcade Route/Item 15.pdf

1. That's plenty of noise there as you probably know that Harley's are loud.

2. There is a witness who states that he heard a shot where the presidential motorcade would be if there was a shot from the records building.  Chris Davidson provided this link of a witness who stated as such - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwrExtVD005OS2NpTzhwUmpYNlE/view

 

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