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The law says its up to the discretion of the AG.

There may be things in the report which deal with privacy issues etc.  

BTW, if I was running things, I would make this person president right now: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-trump-symptom_n_5c98612fe4b057f7330c97e8

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3 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

The law says its up to the digression of the AG.

There may be things in the report which deal with privacy issues etc.  

BTW, if I was running things, I would make this person president right now: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-trump-symptom_n_5c98612fe4b057f7330c97e8

I think she is pretty far down the line of succession, Jim. You would have to kill quite a few presidents to install her. 

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By the way, can we remove this topic from the JFK forum yet? When is the last time anything relevant to the assassination was mentioned here? I think there is a section on the forum dedicated to boomer socialist Donald Trump elimination fanfiction.

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Their is a general consensus between Trump haters and Trump supporters that the Mueller Report should be released with as few redactions as possible.

Each side thinks they are going to pound the other side over the head with the Mueller Report.

As President Trump said yesterday;

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Trump also reiterated his view Attorney General William Barr should decide whether to make the full report becomes public.

"Up to the attorney general, wouldn't bother me at all," Trump said, referring to a public release. Trump also said he isn't thinking about pardoning anyone sentenced during the probe.

ABC News - March 25

 

I am not sure why the Senate Republicans are blocking the Public Release at this point.

  • I can imagine the report having some content that might suggest some Senate Republicans were involved in illegal Deep State activities (Mitch McConnell comes to mind) or just made comments about Trump that would now be embarrassing as a fellow Republican (Rubio.)
  • Senate and House Democrats, with the aid and comfort of the MSM are just going to latch onto anything that they think will look Trump look bad and ignore anything that implicates themselves or the DOJ/FBI/CIA. In short, basically try to manage the public narrative as they have already been doing for two years. (ie. Focus the public's attention on a Trump Tower meeting with Jr., where nothing happened to distract from illegally submitted FISA applications, etc.)
  • Allow Democrats like Gerald Nadler, or Adam Schiff to scream for "public disclosure" to a crescendo and then drop the "bomb" on their heads.
  • Delay the release of the Mueller Report until the FISA applications declassified by Trump are ready for public consumption. The FISA applications are going to show a real conspiracy (the legal definition) at a very high level. I'm sure their is some effort underway to persuade the MSM to actually make an effort to cover their eventual release instead of simply ignore because they do not fit the Russian Collusion narrative, which has now been proven to be BS. 
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Published on Mar, 25, 2019

Mueller’s Sideshow Closes – But it has Served its Purpose

Kit Knightly

To state my position clearly – I never believed, for a second, that the Mueller investigation would find any evidence of “Russian collusion”. And not simply because there isn’t any. I mean, let’s be honest, the powers that be “find evidence” of things that never happened all the time. They “found” photos of Lee Harvey Oswald holding a rifle, and they “found” Satam al-Suqami’s passport in the rubble of the World Trade Center. They produced “evidence” the Russians shot down MH17 and poisoned the Skripals. There is “evidence” Assad gassed his own people. There was “evidence” Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction that could be here in 45 minutes. (Mueller himself testified to that). The Deep State have made it more than clear that objective fact does not matter to them. When the CIA, the FBI or the Pentagon want the evidence, they invent No, I was sure they wouldn’t find Russian collusion, because they didn’t really want to.

Firstly, it’s dangerous. However mad many of the leaders of the US deep state are, there are some who recognise that going to war with Russia is a bad idea. Publicly stating that Russia performed a coup in your country could lead to an international incident, a civil war, or even a nuclear holocaust. That’s not good for business.

Secondly, it’s an admission of weakness. The bedrock of Imperial power has always been an unwillingness to admit its own limitations. Finding that Russia had installed Trump would be admitting to a major defeat. They can’t afford to lose that much face.

Thirdly, and most importantly, they can’t take down one of their own. Trump might be crude, unpredictable, politically incorrect and lacking class…but at the end of the day he’s a billionaire son of a millionaire. He has been mixing with the elites all his life. He’s one of them, and sending down a member of the in crowd for corruption (or anything else) sets too dangerous a precedent. Trump has to be exonerated, it’s simply a matter of the system’s immune response protecting itself. (Not to mention he’s been President of the United States for over two years now, you take him to trial and who knows what he might start saying).

No, Trump was never going to be charged, let alone convicted. Mueller’s investigation has ended the way it was always intended to end – with a whimper, not a bang. Do NOT make the mistake of thinking this makes it a failure. Think about how our reality has been shaped by this investigation.

One, it has established as a “certain fact” in the mainstream media, that “Russian interference” is a thing that happened, even though to this date there is NOT A SINGLE PIECE of publicly available evidence to support this. The often cited “Russian xxxxx factory”, the Internet Research Agency, is a small viral marketing firm that published anti-Trump ads. The “experts” tracking Russian “influence operations” are small-time paranoiacs with nothing but homemade infographics to back up their theories. The “research fellows” of the Atlantic Council are reduced to pointing to real people – be they retirees from England or internationally renowned concert pianists – and claiming they are “Russian bots”, because they cannot find any real ones. The idea that Russia “hacked” the election, or launched a “campaign in support of Trump” is not even close to being proven, but if we embrace the Mueller report, then we are tricked into accepting that version of reality.

Two, there is the very idea of “collusion”. “Collusion” has no meaning under US law. It simply is not a thing, and yet we’ve all been talking about it for years. Letting “collusion” stand as a concept is a big victory for the establishment. It has no meaning, which means it can have any meaning they want it to have. Tulsi Gabbard can have “colluded” with Assad or Modi by defending them on US TV. Jill Stein can commit “collusion” with Russia by attending a meeting. They have invented an imaginary crime, that can be used to tar anti-establishment figures whenever they want. If we embrace the Mueller report, we hand the corporate media more power to smear any political candidate, independent journalist or an ordinary citizen.

Three, if we accept Mueller, then we accept the concomitant affirmation of the idea that US institutions are trustworthy, that the FBI is inherently honest, that “Gary Cooper types” like Robert Mueller are the beating heart of US democracy. The narrative is running now that an accusation was made, a special counsel investigated and got to the bottom of it. If we embrace the Mueller report, we lend credibility to a US system that deserves none. We put our trust in a body that has betrayed the public trust a thousand different times, and we accept the lie that the system is working as intended.

Four, Mueller has been a tremendous distraction. Don’t underestimate the value of that. Most of you will be familiar with the Karl Rove quote: “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality.”, but just as important is the less well-known end to that thought: “And while you’re studying that reality —judiciously, as you will— we’ll act again, creating other new realities.”.

“Russiagate” has consumed hundreds of hours of television, thousands of column inches. It has cost millions and returned nothing but sound and fury. It’s a chew toy, a scratching post. Something to get our claws and teeth into while our owners are busy. And how busy they have been. Think about all the issues knocked off the front-pages by “Russiagate” rumours and totally fictitious “smoking guns”. Venezuela inches closer to destruction every day. France is a couple of street clashes away from a second 1789. Trump has slashed infrastructure and welfare budgets, and increased military spending. Again. While every anchor in the country was talking about “the walls closing in”, the US has pulled out of an arms treaty and announced they have already built the weapons that the treaty banned. While the media hammer out the propaganda message that Trump is in Putin’s pocket, the US deep state has been winding the Doomsday clock up to 1 minute before midnight.

Finally, much like the “antisemitism crisis” in the Labour party, “Russian collusion” now exists as a concept that keeps everyone in check. Trump now can’t afford to meet with Putin, not without a chorus of “AHA!” from the punditry. Other political figures, those on the actual fringe (not the fake Trump fringe), have even more to lose. There’s no doubt that “Russian collusion”, or the like, will be used to file down a crowded Democrat primary field. Gabbard, Sanders, maybe even Warren, will doubtless face charges of being “soft on Putin” in one form or other. These McCarthyite smears force the Overton window closed. They control what people feel comfortable saying, even thinking.

All in all, Mueller has been very, very useful to the status quo. He’s a controlled reaction, like in a nuclear power plant, keeping public anger available as an energy to harness, whilst making sure it never boils over into a chaotic meltdown. There is an understandable feeling of glee throughout the alternative media, emotions are high and “We told you so” always feels good to say. Those of us who have been dismissed as bots, Putin-apologists, useful idiots and “Trumptards” have been officially vindicated. …but do we want vindication from a corrupt establishment? Should we take any value at all in an admission of “truth” from institutions who been shown to hold the very concept of truth in contempt? The Mueller distraction has run its course, to the only the end it was ever going to reach.

The Liberal cheerleaders who thought that OrangeManBad would be dragged out of the White House in chains might be tearful and angry, and in some ways that feels like a victory, but it’s only on the surface. Maddow and Harding et al might be temporarily humiliated, but their bosses are perfectly fine. Every step of the way Mueller has been an exercise in narrative control, and every step of the way it has worked. And it is still working now. They have reinforced convenient myths, stoked controversies from non-stories. Put “evidence” out into the public domain that was nothing more than smoke and mirrors. They have shown that they have total control over the vast majority of public discourse. They can set the agenda. They can dictate terms. They can invent concepts, scenarios, even entire events, and we’ll happily argue over the details of something that never even happened. “We’re an Empire now, and we act we create reality”. When we accept the Mueller report we are letting them create reality, we shouldn’t be tempted down that path because it feels like we scored some points for the little guy. If we buy into the hype around the announcement, if we let the myth survive that the US government has any interest in objective truth, then we’re playing their game.

I called the Mueller report a sideshow, and that’s just what it is. A fixed ring-toss game, with prizes that seem attainable but are always kept just out of reach. Hustlers always let you win the first one, to make the game look fair. Don’t fall for it. Pick up your money and walk away from the table. It might FEEL like the good guys won, but that’s only because they let us. Next time they might not. The only real way to win is not to play.

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On 3/26/2019 at 8:05 AM, Ty Carpenter said:

When is the last time anything relevant to the assassination was mentioned here?

Does this work?

Wait till you see how 75 years of weapons technology ex-filtration ties in. 

A deep dive into the Mueller Family would answer a lot of histories mysteries. 

Robert "Highly Enriched Uranium" Mueller the 3rd, didn't get his nickname on the lacrosse fields of St. Paul's School.

Uranium One is the end of the story, not the start. FYI.

 

 

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Forum member Ty Carpenter has asked for this thread to be ended.

He states it really hasn't anything to do with JFK.

Obviously our moderators have allowed it to continue.

The thread has generated a huge amount of reads and comment postings.

In my opinion, we JFK truth seekers and students of the entire JFK history story ( and  RFK's ) are by and large extremely political minded ourselves due to the central nature of the Kennedy brother's lives and careers being almost entirely political themselves.

And the political history of this country from the Kennedy times to the present is intrinsically connected in a continuous way.

I admit this particular thread ( and it's really the only one like this ) is mostly a Trump one, but I personally feel the allowance of it is okay if for any other reason it being kind of a current political situation release valve for so many JFK truth seekers who, again, are politically passionate, highly concerned about our current national political situation and feel there truly is an important linear connection between the past Kennedy political times and doings ( including their assassinations ) and today's.

One thing I see with all the craziness of the Trump administration is how much his extremely inflammatory and taunting rhetoric ( so often base and personally insulting ) and actions have degraded not just the office of the presidency, but the respect and trust of our entire federal government through promoting unprecedented divisiveness, anger and hate.

I've never seen anything close to Trump's society wide anger, conflict and mistrust feeding and doing so on an almost daily basis via his obsessive and even manic tweeting.

He has also damaged the public trust of our 4th estate ( continuously stating "it's all fake news" - "they are enemies of the people" ) to such a widespread believed degree I think millions of Americans now don't know who to believe and trust anymore.

It's all a tragic and dangerous disaster imo.

 

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It has often been asked what keeps new/younger people from joining the search for justice and truth in the JFK case. To me, the answer is threads such as this one. I support our president and the truth. Topics such as this drive my interest away from this forum, which happens to be the only one worth spending any time on concerning the case. We all know that I am not going to change your opinion politically nor will you change mine. We all have our beliefs and there is nothing wrong with debating those in the proper forum. It is disheartening when I can't even get away from the hate Trump talk on a site dedicated to another topic all in itself. We all have heard the Attorney Generals summation of the Mueller report that there was no collusion. Not just no collusion beyond a reasonable doubt, but no evidence of any collusion. Please remove this discussion on 21st-century politics from this specific forum.

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4 hours ago, Ty Carpenter said:

By the way, can we remove this topic from the JFK forum yet? When is the last time anything relevant to the assassination was mentioned here? I think there is a section on the forum dedicated to boomer socialist Donald Trump elimination fanfiction.

Yeah but at least its been more civil than most of the JFKA threads hahaha...

I think that the SCI has served to illustrate how differently the various offices and actors within the Government compare to a very different set of people and attitudes extant in the 60's. Some would disagree I suppose but the experiences of WW2 and the Cold War colored the attitudes of those involved much differently than today IMO. The justifications for their actions, whether  we agree with them or not, I believe come from a different, better place.

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I started this topic on August 22, 2017, with this opening statement:

"I am posting my legal file on this subject in the JFK Assassination Topic of the Forum because the events described within it initially came about when Roger Stone contacted me in 2012. He requested any information that I might have on LBJ, which I was pleased to provide. In 2013 Stone published his book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ, which became a best-seller. In his book Stone credits me as a primary source for information, as is disclosed in the file. Thus, in a roundabout way JFK five decades after his murder is providing from the grave a nexus of how the 2016 presidential election was rigged. Don’t you think he is pleased at doing this?"

Roger Stone has been indicted and his trial is set for November. Who know what will emerge at that trial? Who know what will emerge from the Mueller report when it is finally released to the public?

It may well turn out that the contents of my legal file that can be found on page 1 of this thread  may play a role in Stone's trial or in the Mueller Report or possibly in both.  If this were to happen then the fact that this thread was created over a year and a half ago will be vindicated and the many members who contributed their postings to it will be justly entitled to take a bow.

The media reports that Roger Stone's book on the JFK assassination has had a second life as a result of all the publicity that he has received in Trump/Putin. So indirectly Stone's legal problems have served to focus attention on the JFK assassination, which is a good thing.

I suggest that the thread continue until the Fat Lady sings.

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1 minute ago, Ty Carpenter said:

I am not advocating for deletion of this thread, I am just asking that it be moved to its correct place in another forum subcategory.

Which is tantamount to killing the on-going discussion.

Ty, if you don't like the thread why do you read it?

Those of us who enjoy the back and forth on the subject find it relevant to the JFKA discussion.

 

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3 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said:

Which is tantamount to killing the on-going discussion.

Ty, if you don't like the thread why do you read it?

Those of us who enjoy the back and forth on the subject find it relevant to the JFKA discussion.

 

Cliff,

 

Tantamount to killing the ongoing discussion? Can't the discussion continue in the proper section of the forum? Are you saying there is not enough traffic at the proper section so it needs to be here because you want to talk about it? I really don't care if this thread continues, but why does it need to be here? Without pulling a hamstring with a crazy stretch no one can say this discussion belongs here.

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