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Paul Trejo

Did the Dallas Radical Right kill JFK?

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17 minutes ago, Jason Ward said:

.......In reality, the ability or true wish to murder is rare and is always associated with mental disturbance.  Murderers have known, defined, quantifiable mental criteria 100% of the time.  Tippit is the only one around who has documented proof of the requisite mental state necessary to kill with ease, and without need of justification/imminent threat.

Jason

Unlike Jason, I didn't sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night, so these statements sound like falsehoods to me.

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1 hour ago, Paul Trejo said:

Ernie,

As for the Tippit-did-it CT, it is only a short walk from there to the Walker-did-it CT, since Jeff Caufield links both Walker and Tippit to the Dallas BBQ joint, "Austin's Barbecue", where regular John Birch Society meetings took place.

Also -- the Tippit-did-it CT is several years old.  There are several books on this topic in the past decade, including old threads on this Forum.   Here's one small taste from YouTube which suggests that J.D. Tippit was Badge Man:

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  Regards,
--Paul Trejo

Then Jason wrote:

Paul,

If you look at JD Tippit in totality according to the evidence, he is clearly in the same ideological family as Walker......

I was wondering where Paul's odd mention of Tippit came from. It looks like Paul and Jason are precticing Tee-Ball here, with Trejo setting-up the ball for Jason to take a swing at.

 

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BTW -- for those interested--- this is the summary regarding the zip files (PDF docs) shown in my previous message

PDF FILE         # documents        # pages

PDF-1............2230......................11,100

PDF-2............2230..................... 11,208

PDF-3............2224.....................  11,673

TOTAL:          6684 docs..............33,981 pages

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23 hours ago, Paul Trejo said:

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As for FBI agent James Hosty, it is my opinion that he is hiding the Minutemen in 1964, just as he hid the Minutemen in November 1963, when the US Secret Service PRS asked him point blank if there were any dangerous people in Dallas that they should know about.

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Paul,

The communications documentation released in 2017 present factual insights into Hosty's mindset.  

Ironically, one of the central tenets of crime science is that those who deceive not only have something to hide, but also possess the criminal state of mind, a solid awareness that what they did was wrong, and a desperation to avoid punishment --- and Hosty is by this maxim guilty of something he wants hidden from his boss.  Hosty knows this well from his training but can't help acting guilty as hell.

I think it's correct to classify the FBI's reporting of the Dallas reactionaries into 3 distinct phases.  1st - before the assassination, the Dallas FBI office is towing the line from Hoover and dutifully reporting on the Radical Right, albeit reluctantly and minimally.

2nd phase - in the aftermath of the assassination, the Dallas FBI office comes close to saying there is no such thing as extreme right wingers in Dallas.

3rd phase - Hosty is now apparently out of the communications loop, and guys like Special Agent Garry Watt are again reporting enthusiastic and dangerously eccentric right winger meetings and rhetoric in the Dallas area.

 

Jason

 

PHASE 1

{Prior to November 22, 1963}

...OF THE FBI IN DALLAS REPORTS ON THE RADICAL RIGHT.  They exist.  They're definitely worth watching.  They are possibly dangerous.

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PHASE 2

{November 23, 1963 to circa late1965}

...OF THE FBI IN DALLAS REPORTS ON THE RADICAL RIGHT.  There is no such thing as right wing extremist groups in Dallas.  Between September 1963 and January 1964, they have disappeared completely from the DFW metroplex.

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PHASE 3

{late 1965 to ?present day?}

...OF THE FBI IN DALLAS REPORTS ON THE RADICAL RIGHT.  Hosty seems re-assigned.  New FBI staff like Special Agent Garry Watt are in Dallas.  The Minutemen and other reactionaries are suddenly reported as active again.  Did they really disappear for a few years or was someone hiding (protecting?) them for a few years after Dealey Plaza?



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Original research into and the designated three phases of Dallas FBI reporting on the extreme right © 2017 by Jason Ward and Arizona State University

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Jason - why do you suspect these apparent changes occur? If it's because someone at the FBI is trying to take the Dallas right off the radar, why would they do that? Are you saying that the FBI is protecting the guilty? 

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1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:

Jason - why do you suspect these apparent changes occur? If it's because someone at the FBI is trying to take the Dallas right off the radar, why would they do that? Are you saying that the FBI is protecting the guilty? 

Paul,

I had you turned off for a couple weeks.   I'm happy to discuss the evidence in the JFK assassination but not me personally nor other forum members.  I prefer to present the evidence prominently and offer conclusions only as secondary to the evidence.  So the evidence I post is for everyone to evaluate and offer their own suggestions or conclusions.  Maybe one of us will see something in these documents the rest of us miss?  

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Ok, now, with regard to the three phases of Dallas FBI reporting on the Radical Right - I'm saying that in the grand scheme of FBI communications traffic read in order from the early to mid 60s, this Dallas FBI message content sticks out like a sore thumb.  Yes, the FBI is like a large company and even larger government agency in that it almost every day can't keep track of what one office says versus another office, or often has the same office contradicting itself in successive memos due to disorganized efforts, or institutionally forgets what was decided a few months previously, and so forth.  With all that said, like any organization of competent noncriminal professionals, the FBI's internal communications are in general orderly, of consistent thinking and consistent conclusions, and written with an awareness of both current priorities and past investigative discoveries.

The Dallas office from the early 60s through mid 60s is like 3 personalities inhabiting the same person.  First - the extreme right is documented in Dallas, well-armed, and needs monitoring.  Second, after the assassination, the extreme right is no place to be found in Dallas, according to the Dallas FBI field office.  Third, by the mid 60s, newer (younger?) staff gain control of the communications traffic out of Dallas and the extreme right suddenly re-appears in FBI Dallas traffic as it did in 61, 62, and 63.   How is it possible that Walker and the Minutemen are largely imperceptible by Dallas FBI from November 22, 1963 to 1965ish, even as Walker and the Minutemen are well documented and of high investigative priority for others in the FBI at various levels - field office, agency, and Legat*?  

So - let me leave it at this.  The Radical Right are getting ignored by the Dallas FBI during the red-hot investigative years when evidence was ripe.   (also by the New Orleans office - I'll present that evidence later).   Is this deliberate?  Certainly.  

Who orders this enforced ignorance of reactionary presence?    My guess is Hosty and pals, but I have no real evidence.  It could be even Hoover and LBJ make it known to Dallas that the field office is under no circumstances to go digging around Walker, the Minutemen, etc. and is instead to deny they even exist.  I don't know for sure who ordered the communications/investigative whitewash of the Radical Right.   Whoever ordered it, clearly they wanted something about the Radical Right in Dallas held from the public and the Warren Commission...

 

                          Jason

 

 

*Legat = Legal Attache; the FBI officer in US diplomatic missions around the world.  This is an example of FBI-speak.  Yes, various overseas Legats chime in something about Walker, the Minutemen, the KKK and so forth, from time to time.  Walker in particular had lots of friends in Germany who were secondary witnesses or supporters to his US domestic agenda.

 

 

 

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34 minutes ago, Jason Ward said:

Second, after the assassination, the extreme right is no place to be found in Dallas, according to the Dallas FBI field office

Unfortunately for your theory, the actual empirical evidence does not support your conclusions.

Here is what you would need to do in order to present a plausible theory.

1.  Tell us the number of new files created on right-wing individuals and groups by the FBI-Dallas field office from 1961 to 1963

2,   Then tell us the number of new files opened by the FBI-Dallas field office on right-wing individuals and groups from December 1963 thru, say, 1965

3.   Lastly, tell us the total number of open files (new and old) on right wing individuals and groups in the Dallas field office in 1961, 1963, and 1965

Unless you can provide specific factual evidence along the lines described above -- everything you have written has absolutely no validity.

With respect to your specific comment that the Dallas FBI field office claimed that there was no extreme right active in its territory after the assassination:

IF you would like me to do so, I will be happy to review my binders which contain my MRI (Master Research Index).  My MRI is a 3200 page summary of every FBI file which I requested and received and it includes specific notes regarding (1) each field office file I requested and obtained and (2) a listing of field office file numbers for possible future requests.

Even without reviewing it for specific details == I can tell you with absolute certainty that your assertion is FALSE.   The Dallas field office had dozens upon dozens of open case files on right-wing and extreme right individuals, organizations, events, and publications.

In fact, almost every FBI field office had continually open cases on national groups like:  National States Rights Party, American Nazi Party, Minutemen, John Birch Society, White Citizens Council chapters, Christian Anti-Communism Crusade, Christian Educational Association, and Ku Klux Klan.   There also was a Dallas field file on "COINTELPRO: Disruption of White Hate Groups".

And, of course Texas-based individuals and groups were of particular interest -- such as J. Evetts Haley and his organization (Texans For America), Gen. Edwin Walker (and Friends of General Walker and American Eagle Publishing Co.), Indignant White Citizens Council (and the Joiner family), Roy E. Davis Sr. (KKK), Legion for the Survival of Freedom, Marcia and Jason Matthews, George Washington Armstrong Jr., Association of Citizens Councils of Texas, American Independent Party, John O. Beaty, American National Research Inc. (Karl Baarslag) --- and the list goes on and on and on.

I probably should also mention that (like all other FBI field offices) the Dallas FBI office would open a new case file on some controversial person or organization when they visited Dallas for some public event.  Examples include:  anti-communism schools organized under the auspices of Fred Schwarz's Christian Anti-Communism Crusade OR when Congress of Freedom came to Dallas for their annual convention OR when prominent people made speeches in Dallas -- such as former FBI Special Agents Dan Smoot and W. Cleon Skousen.   

IN ADDITION:  Often a field office would open a new case file when FBI speakers came into town to deliver a speech about communism - because, in some cases, that speech would trigger a major local controversy over the content of the speech -- such as when the Bureau's Chief Inspector went on a national speaking tour to falsify JBS (and other extreme right) claims about significant Communist infiltration into our clergy and religious institutions.

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From a very quick review of my notes, I list below just some of the “files” which the Dallas FBI field office opened on right-wing individuals, organizations, publications. 

Sometimes, however, a field office would not open a specific main file devoted exclusively to one person, organization, publication, or event.  Instead, details about a person or organization or other subject were included in a larger file.  Example:  When Adlai Stevenson was assaulted after his speech in Dallas, two people were initially arrested:  Cora Frederickson and Robert E. Hatfield.  Stevenson asked that Frederickson be released.  Hatfield was convicted of assault.  The Dallas field office did not open main files on these two people but there is considerable information about them contained in other files – including the Dallas field file on the JBS and in the Dallas field file (89-43) which is “Threats Against Federal Officials”.

One last point which I hope is obvious:  I did not request every single file Dallas created on right-wing subjects during the 1960’s.  There could easily be hundreds more files than just the ones listed below.  The easiest way to discover them is to review large files about major subjects (including KKK-related, NSRP, JBS, Citizens Councils, and others) to see the notations on memos that identify file numbers on related subject matters. 

Often, when the FBI discovered the identity of the persons who were leaders in a particular organization, they would open files on them – even if only briefly.  Also—when new organizations were created in some other state but they listed “endorsers” or a “Advisory Committee” that included Texas residents, then the relevant FBI field offices in Texas often would create a file on those persons or that organization – just to prepare a summary memo about the persons involved – especially if they were connected to any other groups which the FBI was monitoring regularly – such as KKK, American Nazi Party, National States Rights Party, etc.

Also:  every FBI field office opened generic files about major subjects to capture information about people involved in national or local controversies OR about people considered a security concern.  So, for example, the FBI created a generic file on subjects such as: “Citizens Councils and States Rights Movement” and on “Anti-Communist Activities” and on “Segregation Matters” and on “Threats to Federal Officials” and on “Racial Situation” (enter city/county here) -- all of which contain Dallas field memos and reports.  If I were to list all of these types of files, my list would be exponentially larger.

Alger, Bruce (Cong.)

Alleged Klan Participation in Insurrection Plot

American Factfinders Committee

American Independent Party

American Mercury magazine

American National Research Inc. (Karl Baarslag)

Americanism Educational League

Anti-Communist Activities

Armstrong Jr., George Washington

Association of Citizens Councils of Texas

Austin Anti-Communism League

Baarslag, Karl

Bagley, W.R. (JBS)

Beaty, John O.

Bradford, Melvin E.

Burchwell, Ashland F.

Christian Anti-Communism Crusade (Fred Schwarz)

Christian Crusade (Billy James Hargis)

Christian Educational Association (Conde McGinley)

Christian Nationalist Crusade (Gerald L.K. Smith)

COINTELPRO: Disruption of White Hate Groups

Committee Against Subversion in the Arts (JBS)

Constitution Party

Dallas Freedom Forum (Christian Anti-Communism Crusade)

Darden, Ida (Southern Conservative)

Desegregation of the University of Mississippi

Evans, Medford

Facts Forum

Federation For Constitutional Government

Friends of General Walker aka Walker Group

Grinnan, Joseph P.

Haley, J. Evetts

Hunt, H.L.

Indignant White Citizens Council (Joiner family)

John Birch Society

Knickerbocker, Harry (Maj.)

Lee, William L. (Brig. Gen.) (JBS)

Life Line Foundation

Lively Jr., Earl W.

Logan, Bard (JBS)

McGehee, Frank B.

McGinley, Conde J.

Minutemen

Morris, Robert J.

National Indignation Convention (Frank McGehee)

National Socialist White People’s Party

National States Rights Party

Oak Cliff Citizens Council

Phillips, J.C. (Borger TX News-Herald)

Racial Situation—Nacogdoches TX (Edwin Walker)

Schmidt, Larrie H.

Smoot, Dan and Dan Smoot Report

Southern Conservative (Ida Darden)

Stoner, J.B. (NSRP)

Surrey, Robert Alan

Texans For America

Texas Conservative Party

Threats to Federal Officials

Totten Sr., Harold W.

U.S. Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan

United Klans of America

Un-named Organization of Dallas TX Patriots

Walker, Edwin A.

Weissman, Bernard W.

Western American Security Police

White Citizens Council of Dallas (aka Texas Citizens Council)

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FROM AXIOS:   https://www.axios.com/what-we-know-from-the-jfk-files-2502308689.html

What we know from the JFK files

 

Photo: Jon Elswick / AP

The 2,800 newly released, previously classified files on President John F. Kennedy's assassination reveal the internal chaos and suspicion in U.S. intelligence agencies following the momentous event in November 1963. And President Trump announced Saturday that he will soon release the rest of the files, which were previously withheld.

What they show: How agencies balanced their own concern that it all might be a part of a larger plot with their need to keep the public calm, the Independent points out.

 

The latest findings:

  • Former CIA deputy chief of the Soviet Bloc Division, Tennent Bagley, wrote a letter to Robert Blakey, chief counsel of the House Special Committee on Assassinations, in 1978 in which he identified several errors in CIA representative John Hart's testimony. His testimony regarded information on Oswald's time in the Soviet Union.
  • One document reveals that a man named Henry Gourley of Vancouver called Bellingham, Washington, police the day after Kennedy's assassination, saying he had overheard three men at a hotel three weeks prior saying if Kennedy traveled to Dallas "he would never leave there alive." The men were traveling to Cuba.
  • A man named Robert C. Rawls told a Secret Service agent that he heard a man bet $100 that Kennedy "would be dead within three weeks" while at a bar in New Orleans.
  • Documents provide payment ledgers to Cuban exile groups working to overthrow Castro. The document also shows that the first attempt to kill Castro was in 1959.
  • Another document shows a connection between Kennedy and Nixon: A man arrested trying to break into the DNC headquarters at Watergate attempted overthrowing Castro years earlier.
  • The Secret Service had a 413-page document detailing everyone they suspected for killing the president, listing why they may have been mad at Kennedy and their threat level.
  • Per the AP, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover sent out a memo saying he and an FBI deputy were concerned about "having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin."
  • The KGB alleged to have information indicating that President Johnson played a part in Kennedy's assassination.
  • The CIA offered the mob $150,000 to kill Fidel Castro, but the mob insisted on doing it for free, according to a 1975 document.
  • 25 minutes before JFK was shot, a British newspaper received an anonymous call in which they were told to call the American Embassy for "some big news," according to the AP.
  • In one document, then FBI director J Edgar Hoover confronts the spreading conspiracy theories, writing, "There is nothing further on the Oswald case except that he is dead."
  • President Lyndon B. Johnson thought that JFK's assassination was payback for the assassination of Vietnam President Diem, according to a 1975 deposition by then CIA director Richard Helms.
  • Another file describes the Soviet Union's reaction according to a source who said the news was received with "great shock and consternation and church bells were tolled in the memory of President Kennedy."
  • The FBI was carefully tracking Oswald's movements when he was in Mexico City a few weeks before shooting JFK, according to a 1964 cablegram. One memo suggests Oswald spoke with a KGB officer in broken Russian while in Mexico City.
  • A day before Oswald was murdered, the FBI received a phone call from someone threatening to kill Oswald.
  • An FBI report alleges that President Lyndon B. Johnson was a member of the KKK based on an informant's claim to have "documented proof," which was not included, according to BBC.
  • The CIA had thought about sabotaging parts for planes headed to Cuba from Canada and considered assassinating Cuban President Fidel Castro by hiring mafia leaders, according to CNN.
  • The files include memos about communist sympathizers, according to ABC News.
  • So far, there haven't been any bombshells for the conspiracy theorists.

But wait, there's more: It will most likely take weeks for researchers to go through the thousands of documents, and the remaining 300 documents won't be released (and will most likely be redacted) until April of next year due to national security concerns. President Trump tweeted this morning, "JFK Files are being carefully released. In the end there will be great transparency. It is my hope to get just about everything to public!"

See for yourself, here.

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On 10/28/2017 at 6:35 AM, Jason Ward said:

Compare the below memo to the one I post above dated 3.11.64.

In the wake of the assassination, the Dallas FBI office is -uniquely among 100s of field offices, agencies, and Legats- concerned with documenting just how much the extreme Right does not exist and is in no way an active political community.

How is that in September 63 the Far Right in Dallas goes from an active internal security (IS) concern complete with weapons stockpiles and secret organizations to a condition in January 64 of no activity, no interest, no concern whatsoever?  (at least according to Hosty...)

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Jason has created a straw-man argument re: the FBI-Dallas and the Minutemen organization.

1.  The Dallas field file on Minutemen (Dallas 105-1280) was opened on November 6, 1961.  There were regular reports about the MM added to the Dallas file usually several times every month thereafter until a gap occurred from April 5, 1962 until September 6, 1962 -- when regular reports again occurred every month. There was another brief gap in November and December 1962, but then regular monthly reports again except for March thru June 1963.  Then from July 5, 1963 through September 18, 1963 there were regular reports but none in October-November 1963.

2.  Of the 80 serials contained in the Dallas field file on Minutemen up through April 1, 1964, 45% of them (36 serials) were dated between November 6, 1961 and September 18, 1963.

3.  Kansas City was the "originating office" for the FBI's Minutemen investigation (Kansas City 62-7797).  That field office routinely sent all other field office copies of memos concerning what they had discovered about Minutemen members and/or activities in their area.   The FBI was able to obtain MM mailing lists and other documents from informants inside the organization.  One of the problems confronted by the FBI was how to define a "member".  Coincidentally, I recently had a discussion about this very matter with Laird Wilcox.  If you are not familiar with him, check out:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laird_Wilcox    AND    http://www.lairdwilcox.com/

Here is what Laird recently wrote to me:

"I'm reminded of estimates of Minutemen membership in the 60's, which ranged as high as 50,000 to 100,000 members.  Your FBI files will show only 450 actual members of whom about 50 could be considered at all dependable.  DePugh told me at one time that there may have been a couple thousand people who had been nominal "members" at one time or another but usually only for a year or so and then just drifted away."

The leader of the MM (Robert DePugh) counted as MM "members" anybody who had requested literature from the MM, OR anybody who requested a membership application (whether or not they returned it and whether or not they were accepted and given a membership number).

When FBI-Kansas City sent memos to Dallas re: MM in Texas (and especially about those people who lived in the territory covered by Dallas), they based their reports on information they received concerning people who had made financial contributions or payments to the MM (even if only very small amounts for a subscription to "On Target" or other MM literature) OR who were known to be active MM members at one point in time (even if they later were inactive).  Some of the folks who were included as "Minutemen" were teenagers (see example mentioned below).

So with all that in mind, it should be noted that when the FBI obtained a list of MM "members" from one of its informants -- the total number in the entire state of Texas was 43.

Among the people whom Kansas City reported to Dallas were:

Mundall L. Cole (El Paso), Jim Griffin (McAllen), Max Lutz (McAllen), James Fergus Byrne (Irving), Donald Wayne Herbert (Muleshoe), James M. Blackshear (Dallas -- but actually this was based upon his 19yo son requesting MM literature), David M. Nelson (Dallas), Homer L. Owen (Waco), Leo M. Rhodifer (Dallas), Dr. Elizabeth Rhodifer (Dallas), AND James H. Williams, Thomas Bigger, Robert Foreman, Daniel J. Marrin, Jerry E. Lunsford, and Dick Williamson -- no location listed but probably Dallas area.

4.  The main problem with Jason's analysis is that Dallas field office had very little detailed knowledge about specific active Minutemen members in Dallas OR about specific activities which could definitely be attributed exclusively to the Dallas Minutemen. 

One serial (#33) dated 9/1/63 reported that Dallas businesses received a poster captioned "Wanted For Murder: Khrushchev" which was allegedly sent by Minutemen but no specific person or group took credit.  In addition, the intelligence units of the Dallas Police Department and military intelligence units and the ATTF also did not have a lot of specific information about MM in Dallas. 

5.  Many MM members were also members of other organizations -- including the John Birch Society or White Citizens Councils or even American Nazi Party. 

So---if (for example) there was a letter-writing campaign OR if there was some organized activity (such as the demonstration against Adlai Stevenson) OR the posting of "Wanted For Treason" flyers around town ---- how does one determine if the person(s) responsible for those activities were acting as a result of their Minutemen membership or their JBS membership or because other right-wing or extreme right groups advocated such activities?

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On ‎10‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 4:53 PM, Jason Ward said:

Paul,

If you look at JD Tippit in totality according to the evidence, he is clearly in the same ideological family as Walker, Masen, Hosty, Logue, Bringuier, and their merry band of reactionaries.  But Tippit is not in their league.  Walker had certain immense talents and world-class career achievements, even if his academic record was marginal; Bringuier is a (non-medical) doctor who is literate and well-spoken, Logue was a scientist.  

Tippit was something noticeably different.

Tippit was no intellect and his employment record is of the kind that would today see him routed away from a sworn law enforcement officer role and instead pointed towards clerk or civilian police department employee. Today he would be stopped from any further promotions and I see plenty in his DPD HR file indicating that he was stopped from advancement even by 1963 Dallas standards.

Tippit had a psychological evaluation as part of his routine employment and promotion eligibility and IIRC, his evaluation indicated what a layman calls sociopathic tendencies.   His regard for life and others in general was deemed minimal.  Tippit is among the very few in the JFK cast of characters that owns the disturbing written professional evaluation equivalent to criminal and equivalent to murderer.  

The absurdity of the usual CTer here is without input from Criminology or even basic psychology - merely being against Kennedy is to the weak minded an adequate mens rea to kill.  In reality, the ability or true wish to murder is rare and is always associated with mental disturbance.  Murderers have known, defined, quantifiable mental criteria 100% of the time.  Tippit is the only one around who has documented proof of the requisite mental state necessary to kill with ease, and without need of justification/imminent threat.

Jason

In no particular order are my personal snippets of Tippit-related material. 

1. The Tippit-Ruby connection is weak, but I don't rule it out:

2. JD Tippit has probably reached the apex of his career by the time of the assassination, although he is not yet 40.

3. This is Hoover's letter to the WC summarizing the raw testimony from Crafard I snip above in item 1 re: Ruby and Tippit.

3.  Hmmm....there's the John Birch Society again.

4. Mae Cook is one of hundreds with information but of no interest in standard CT research.

5. Here's some evidence Tippit and Oswald were at least in the same room together:

6.  Officer JD Tippit's widow collected $500k+ in public donations after the assassination, but somehow I sense the marriage was already not in the best shape and his loss was not altogether the catastrophe one might assume:

7.  Tippit - Mather - Wise and the mechanic....connect the dots here and it's a CT all its own.

8.  John Birch Society enthusiast Bernard Weissman paid the equivalent of $10000+ in 2017 dollars for a horrific ad in the Dallas Morning News attacking Kennedy on 22 November, approved by ultra right winger and newspaper publisher Ed Dealey; whose last name is not coincidentally a byword for the Kennedy assassination.

...the same ad was refused by the more Progressive Dallas Times Herald.  Weissman was not only the bag man for the ads waiting for Kennedy upon arrival in Dallas, Weissman was so scared he would be implicated in the assassination plot that he went underground for a few weeks and left the scene of the crime.  Weissman testified that  the assassination was produced by General Edwin Walker and that he, Wiessman, was afraid the associates of Walker like himself would be blamed for the murder:

9. This is almost certainly the key piece of evidence that launched Mark Lane's landmark work; although in retrospect "WALDO" is to my understanding almost certainly a fictional character, or a composite character, or some other contrivance.

Jason,

Nice collection of documents about J.D. TIppit.  I think many readers were unaware of them.  The connection of J.D. Tippit with the Radical Right through the John Birch Society, and with General Walker, are of highest interest according to this thread.

The following is my opinion:

Many of these documents have been seen before, yet I'd like to comment on them here -- by the numbers.

1. The Tippit-Ruby connection amounts to sheer rumor and hearsay -- without merit, IMHO.

2.  J.D. Tippit had a reputation of never looking anybody in the eye when speaking with them.  It was unnerving to many, they said.  He was a man of too few words -- and that also bothered some people.  He seemed oddball to some, but he was painfully shy in polite company.  In private company, as his many mistresses have said, he could be boisterous.  His shy attitude held him back in his career, I have read.

2.1.  Incidentally, his father claimed that J.D. Tippit could quick-draw and successfully shoot a bird in the air, IIRC.   His father never saw a better shooter, he claimed.

2.2.  Incidentally, the initials, "J.D." stand for nothing at all.  In Texas in those days, it was not uncommon for boys to be named with only two initials.  

3.  J. Edgar Hoover wanted Jarnagin's rumor to be fully investigated -- that was the extent of it.  Jarnagin was the only bozo who claimed that J.D. Tippit met Ruby and Oswald at the Carousel Club.  It was simply another case of mistaken identity. 

4.  Jeff Caufield confirms that J.D. Tippit was introduced to the John Birch Society by members of the branch led by General Walker at Austin's BBQ in Dallas, on the weekends.  Mae Cook merely says she saw J.D. Tippit at that BBQ joint -- very credible.  As for her other guesswork involving Oswald, she admits it's guesswork, and it has no merit, IMHO.

5.  Since they lived/worked in approximately the same area of Dallas, it is no surprise that Tippit and Oswald might have eaten at the same restaurant at the same time -- sitting at different tables.   It's not necessarily a case of mistaken identity -- but it has no teeth unless they spoke to each other -- which the witness never claimed.

6.  Even though Tippit's marriage was on the rocks, and he had mistresses, and at least one illegitimate child -- she was the legal wife, and so she was legally entitled to all money that came to the Tippit household as a result of the JFK assassination tragedy.

7.  The story of Carl Mather is a simple case of "mistaken identity," IMHO.  He did not see Oswald hiding inside a car hidden behind a billboard near the Tippit scene.  His story of the license plate number written on a slip of paper failed when he failed to present the slip of paper.  Simple case.

8.  Bernard Weissman was a patsy in the Black-bordered Ad.  It was not his money -- he was broke at the time.  The money came from rich oil men inside the John Birch Society.  These money sources were interviewed by the Warren Commission. Also, the wording came from members of the John Birch Society.  Weissman contributed at most two words.  His pal, Larrie Schmidt, talked him into using his name in the Ad -- he didn't want to do it.  But the John Birch Society (and Larrie Schmidt) felt strongly about using a Jewish name in the Ad -- as a decoy.  To the Warren Commission, Weissman did not blame General Walker directly -- but said that Larrie's brother, Robbie Schmidt, who was Walker's live-in chauffeur, had a cache of WANTED FOR TREASON: JFK handbills on the back seat of Walker's car.  Weissman was indeed terrified that Walker would be to blame, and that he  himself would be implicated.  But he had no proof.

9.  Mark Lane cannot be forgiven for spreading the false story of WALDO regarding the claim that Bernard Weissman (a straight-laced, uptight fellow) was seen at Ruby's Carousel Club.  It was not his kind of joint.  Bernard Weissman confronted Lane directly and threatened to sue him unless Lane would retract.  Lane retracted.

Best regards,
--Paul Trejo

Edited by Paul Trejo
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FBI to release all of its JFK assassination files

By HENRY C. JACKSON
 

10/30/2017 08:45 PM EDT

The FBI said Monday it has now authorized the release of all the previously withheld materials in its files about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

The bureau said that the files would now be released by the National Archives on a rolling basis in the coming weeks.

Last week, President Donald Trump delayed the release of an unspecified number of documents while also allowing the release of dozens of new files on events surrounding the 1963 assassination. The White House said at the time it was doing so at the request of the FBI and CIA while directing federal agencies to re-review remaining files. Officials cited national security concerns.

The FBI said Monday that the remaining documents contain some redactions that relate to individuals who provided information during its investigation of the shooting, and whose lives may be at risk if they’re identified.

The bureau said it would make every effort to lift those redactions going forward.

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FROM BREITBART WEBSITE:   I guess one could make the observation that the Paul Trejo argument is essentially the same as the CPUSA argument:    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/10/30/docs-cpusa-immediately-spun-conspiracy-theories-deflect-fact-communist-killed-kennedy/

Docs: CPUSA Immediately Spun Conspiracy Theories to Deflect Fact That Communist Killed Kennedy 

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by DANIEL J. FLYNN30 Oct 2017]

The Communist Party of the United States of America (CPUSA) advanced conspiracy theories in the immediate aftermath of John F. Kennedy’s assassination aimed to discredit the notion that a Communist killed the president of the United States, according to a Breitbart News review of memorandums released last week through the National Archives.

The narrative pushed by the CPUSA within days of the murder of the president remains familiar to this day to anyone with a passing knowledge of the conspiracy theories surrounding the John F. Kennedy assassination. The documents show a clear propaganda effort, sans any evidence for it, to convince the public that the far right, not an extreme leftist, murdered the popular president.

A December 4, 1963 FBI document cites “Who Really Killed Pres. Kennedy?,” literature issued by the Communist Party of Illinois  and dated December 1, 1963, which claimed that “only the Ultra Right and the Southern Racists” benefitted from the assassination. “Dallas is the stronghold of the Ultra Right” and “the John Birch Society,” the literature reasoned in pushing the conspiracy theory.

“The police say he was a member of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee,” the flier read. “The police say he was pro-Communist, yet the anti-Castro Cubans in this country say he offered to work for them.”

Later that month, FBI informants reported on a Communist Party meeting in Manhattan outlining strategies to show that Lee Harvey Oswald did not kill the president and that he did not believe in Marxism even if he did kill the president.

“On 12/16/63, an informal discussion was held in at CP headquarters, NYC, and Irving Potash participated,” the FBI memo indicates. “It was stated that Mark Lane, former New York state assemblyman, has prepared a brief that will knock holes ‘in proof that [Lee] Oswald was guilty.’ George Morris said the prime thing to do was to prove he was not a Marxist. Potash said ‘The New Republic’ has an investigator trying to prove he [Oswald] was linked to the ultra-right.”

Mark Lane, the chief Kennedy assassination conspiracy theorist, wrote the 1966 bestseller Rush to Judgement and made a career out of representing fringe figures such as Jim Jones and James Earl Ray. He spent more than a half century before his 2016 death characterizing the official version of the events of November 22, 1963, as a hoax.

Despite casting doubt on Oswald’s beliefs and affiliations, CPUSA leaders corresponded with Oswald before the assassination, encouraged his activism within that group, and acknowledged his work with the Fair Play for Cuba Committee and his life inside the Soviet Union. Though portraying the Right as Kennedy’s deadly enemy after the murder, the party routinely conflated the anti-Communist president with right-wingers, including in “The Ultra-Right, Kennedy, and the Role of the Progressives for Peoples Unity Against Big Business Reaction and the War Danger,” literature sent by the CPUSA to Lee Harvey Oswald just months before the assassination.

In a letter sent to Oswald by Johnson less than three months prior to the assassination, he suggests that Oswald “get in touch with us here and we will find some way of getting in touch with you” should he make it to Baltimore as the ex-Marine had hoped.

While Johnson’s letter indicates the author did not know Oswald personally, he acknowledges at least two of his letters to the organization. Oswald wrote to party chairman Gus Hall and Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, a founder of the American Civil Liberties Union whose prestige on the Left eclipsed perhaps all other Americans belonging to the CPUSA.

Johnson writes Oswald that “you have a right to participate in such organizations as you decide, but at the same time there are a number of organizations, such as the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, which are of a very broad character and often it is advisable for some people to remain in the background, not the underground.”

A bureau source recalled typing at least one of Johnson’s letters to Oswald. “Informant stated that she recalled the name Lee Harvey Oswald,” a memo released on Thursday explains, “and while at party headquarters this date, picked up several of her dictation notebooks. On searching these notebooks, she came upon her shorthand notes reflecting a letter to Oswald.”

Despite the CPUSA acknowledging Oswald and encouraging his activism prior to the assassination, the group immediately shifted gears after the assassination. Oswald, they insinuated, served as a fall guy or an agent provocateur cynically infiltrating Communist groups. The flier issued by the Communists just days after the assassination questions whether authorities allowed his murder to silence him and criticizes law enforcement, which “kept [Oswald] for two days without the right to see counsel.”

The party notes neither Oswald’s request for CPUSA chief counsel John Abt to represent him nor Abt’s admission that he did not think he would or could represent the accused murderer. In the documents released last week, Abt’s name comes up as the person who served as the go-between named to bring the Oswald correspondence from the Communists to the FBI. Both the Venona intercepts and the files of the former Soviet Union name Abt as an agent of the Kremlin.

“On 12/3/63, John J. Abt, who has represented the CP, USA before the [Subversive Activities Control Board], as well as individuals before that board, advised the [FBI’s New York Office] of the desire of his client, Arnold Johnson, who is Legislative Secretary of the CP, USA, to make available correspondence between the subject and the CP, USA,” one FBI memo notes. “Such correspondence was turned over by Abt in the presence of Johnson at his office, 320 Broadway, NYC, on 12/3/63.”

A December 8, 1963, memo on a house meeting of seven Communists in Wheeling, West Virginia, describes the same man who encouraged Oswald in his Communist activities through correspondence denying Oswald legitimately took part in such activities.

Arnold [Johnson] explained that since Oswald was considered a Communist then a wave of hysteria was about to explode against the C. party of America but by the time the re-actionaries were getting started it was announced that it had been disclosed that it seemed like the extreme right had been active. This was bore out by the declaration of Russia that it was not the C. party that had done it because Kennedy was a friend of the Working class but the work of the extreme right or almost a fascist act. This seemed to sober the masses that it was the same caliber of people who had insulted [Adlai] Stevenson only weeks before in Dallas, Texas…. Arnold Johnson further stated that no real Marxist Could do such a thing. There is not much doubt about that since the Soviet Union expelled him by not giving him Citizenship to the Soviet Union because they thought him to be an Agent of Fascism.

After so recently emerging from a decade or so that witnessed a crackdown on subversive activity, the American Communists loathed the idea of the government, again, scrutinizing its activities, a situation which a Communist murdering the president of the United States figured to bring about. The FBI memorandums released last Thursday show a Gus Hall so frightened that he would not show up to work at party headquarters and Arnold Johnson and Irving Potash arriving at a meeting with the FBI “in an excited state.” Rather than live with the consequences that one of their own murdered the president of the United States, the Communist propaganda apparatus immediately went into overdrive to push the idea of a conspiracy to kill John F. Kennedy orchestrated by the party’s enemies. The campaign’s effectiveness if not truthfulness sees vindication in so many, to borrow from their own verbiage, “dupes” pushing CPUSA propaganda 54 years after the fact unaware that they push ideas initially advanced by the leadership of the CPUSA.

“Who really was he?” the Communist literature dated nine days after the assassination asks of Lee Harvey Oswald. “An adventurer who was made the ‘fall guy’ by higher ups? A dupe? Or an innocent victim? What is the truth?”

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On 10/26/2017 at 10:13 PM, Jason Ward said:

Lots and lots of chaff.

Because of a few honest souls such as yourself who study and read before they speak - I've posted what seems interesting at first glance from the day's document release.   Most of it is simply expanded versions of what we already have, but there are a few kernels of totally new information.

I'd ask you to look at the Masen references above and in the book I cite below.  Thoughts?

 

goodnight

 

Jason

 

PS - I'll try to order that item you mentioned to me from the inter-library loan system tomorrow.

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For Paul Trejo,

 maybe we need to be talking a bit more about what Harrison Livingstone has to say?

Livingstone, Harrison E.  The Radical Right and the Murder of JFK.  Trafford Publishing; Victoria: 2004.   p. 117


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snippet available free to the public here:

https://books.google.com/books?id=LD8TUAGSuMoC&pg=PA117&lpg=PA117&dq=minutemen+jfk+masen&source=bl&ots=35_mwCcwWp&sig=OBhjbN-lP3-fw9i9i-ygX-Q0mEo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwig95Hu9Y_XAhXE5IMKHSTpCLEQ6AEIQjAH#v=onepage&q=minutemen jfk masen&f=false

Thomas Masen involved with Cuban gun-running. I understood Jack Ruby was involved with Cuban gun operations. against Batista, then Castro. Did Jack Ruby and Masen cross paths? Ruby and Oswald apparently know each other. Oswald gets impersonated here and there. Masen, part of Walker's entourage, looks like Oswald. A few degrees of separation? Hmmm.... Masen seems like he knows something. Maybe, maybe not?

Edited by Roger DeLaria

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