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5 minutes ago, David Boylan said:

Thanks Ernie. This is a huge help for those of us that look at these subjects. Sure beats microfilm and fiche. For those of us that know what fiche is....

And the best is yet to come!

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7 hours ago, Paul Trejo said:

Nope, that's just one more CT -- "the KGB has the true records."

I'll believe it when it see it.

Nobody but NOBODY in the past 50 years has been able to focus global attention on the Dallas Police and Deputies who were also among the Radical Right in Dallas -- including groups like the Minutemen, the White Citizens Councils, the John Birch Society and the KKK.

Everybody else is a suspect -- LBJ, the CIA, the US Army, the Congress, the Senate, J. Edgar Hoover, Allen Dulles and now the KGB.

Everybody will get blamed before Dallas is analyzed for the JFK Assassination which occurred in the heart of Dallas.

Like I say -- I'll believe it when I see it.    In the meantime, I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop.

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--Paul Trejo

Paul,

If there were anything of value in KGB files, it would have been sold off by now along with all the other Soviet state assets that mysteriously ended up in the hands of the Oligarchs.   The privatisation of government property involved masses of physical and intellectual assets including several secret KGB files long ago monetized in the 1990s garage sale of a former superpower.  

The only thing left will look like 99% of the CIA/FBI files - endless minutiae produced by bureaucrats with no value whatsoever.  They are arguing over whose 3rd cousin of some obscure Cuban official should be hired for intelligence value or how much money is needed to supply this month's favored foreign political party.

Oswald is and always was an absurd klutz bumbling through only the distant fringes of Cold War intelligence interests in both camps.  For those who imagine David Ferrie is an important career CIA operative, Oswald will likewise be of great assumed importance to the KGB...In  reality, however, the KGB like the CIA tagged Oswald as a nobody, a poser, a lost child of no talent, no use, and no intelligence role.

 

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For those who are interested, I have finished uploading the FBI files shown below.  In addition, there are four non-FBI files which I uploaded (the first 4 items).   

The next batch of my paper FBI files being converted into PDF files will probably be completed by early April and will include:

Bombings w/Racial or Religious Basis--Los Angeles (10/13/58 - 12/1/58)    35pp
Bombings w/Racial or Religious Basis--San Francisco (10/23/58 - 6/3/64)    399pp
Christian Defense League--HQ (12/23/58 - 1/20/76)    624pp
COINTELPRO--White Hate Groups-HQ (9/64 - 12/65)    26pp
COINTELPRO--White Hate Groups-Jacksonville (9/2/64 - 7/20/66)    240pp
Crommelin, John G.--HQ (1/1/50 - 3/31/76)    304pp
Klan Type Orgs and Hate Groups--HQ (8/20/61 - 9/14/66)    537pp
National Knights of the KKK, Inc--Atlanta (James R. Venable) (8/25/60--9/4/60)    529pp
National States Rights Party--Jackson (12/22/64 - 5/31/68)    228pp
Sensing, Thurman    83pp
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Paul,

If there were anything of value in KGB files, it would have been sold off by now along with all the other Soviet state assets that mysteriously ended up in the hands of the Oligarchs.   The privatisation of government property involved masses of physical and intellectual assets including several secret KGB files long ago monetized in the 1990s garage sale of a former superpower.  

The only thing left will look like 99% of the CIA/FBI files - endless minutiae produced by bureaucrats with no value whatsoever.  They are arguing over whose 3rd cousin of some obscure Cuban official should be hired for intelligence value or how much money is needed to supply this month's favored foreign political party.

Oswald is and always was an absurd klutz bumbling through only the distant fringes of Cold War intelligence interests in both camps.  For those who imagine David Ferrie is an important career CIA operative, Oswald will likewise be of great assumed importance to the KGB...In  reality, however, the KGB like the CIA tagged Oswald as a nobody, a poser, a lost child of no talent, no use, and no intelligence role.

Jason

Jason,

I AGREE WITH YOU 100%.

Former agents of the KGB have fallen all over themselves trying to make money on rumors about Lee Harvey Oswald.  No doubt many are getting ready to try it all over again.

The only credible KGB eye-witnesses to Lee Harvey Oswald in 1963 were Valeriy Kostikov and Oleg Nechiporenko.   Kostikov was kind enough to avoid rumors.   Nechiporenko (1993) at least told the truth about his opinion and Kostikov's opinion of Lee Harvey Oswald on September 27 and 28, 1963, namely, that they body thought that Oswald was "neurotic" (Passport to Assassination, p. 106).

Finally, the KGB material has not been held back by the JFK Records Act since 1992.   So, these rumors of KGB "secret files" merely represent more money-grubbers trying to make another buck off of Lee Harvey Oswald and JFK.

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While doing research for another matter, I came across this February 1986 Chicago Sun-Times article which might be of interest -- about a "confession" by Robert Easterling.

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A startling confession and how it casts doubt on the accepted version of JFK's assassination
Chicago Sun-Times  - February 9, 1986,  page 25,  by Jim Quinlan

In a 26-volume report, the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy, chaired by U.S. Chief Justice Earl Warren, reached the following conclusions 10 months after the death of JFK in 1963:

Lee Harvey Oswald alone killed the president.
Jack Ruby, acting alone, killed Oswald.
There was no credible evidence of any conspiracy.
Three shots were fired at the president's car. One went through his neck, then through the chest and wrist of Texas Gov. John Connally.
Another shot hit the President's head. Another shot missed.
All the shooting was from the sixth-floor window of the Texas School Book Depository building.

Investigative reporter Henry Hurt has spent more than four years searching for a solution to one of history's greatest mysteries: Who murdered President John F. Kennedy?

In the introduction to his book, Reasonable Doubt: An Investigation into the Assassination of John F. Kennedy (Henry Holt & Co.; $19.95), Hurt identifies himself among the 80 percent of Americans who polls say seriously doubt the Warren Commission's official explanation for Kennedy's tragic death in 1963.

"In my quest to understand the case, I was not burdened by any preconceived notion, beyond a general feeling that the official version seemed illogically simplistic, that it seemed virtually impossible that Lee Harvey Oswald had done what the government had said that he had done," Hurt said.

Reasonable Doubt is a thorough reconstruction of most of the evidence that has accumulated over the decades. It is a meticulous examination of virtually every detail of the assassination story, including a right-wing Cuban plot engineered by Fidel Castro to kill the president, the bungled JFK autopsy, the rushed Warren Commission report, the public expressions of doubt at every level, Oswald's intelligence connection, the "other" Oswald, the "magic" bullet, suppressed evidence, and dozens of other mysteries and bizarre characters connected with the case.

In the end, after countless hours re-examinIng the mountain of material, Hurt concludes, just as many governmental investigations and countless private ones before him, "a powerful case can be made that Oswald did not kill Kennedy." 

Although Reasonable Doubt agrees with the conclusion of the 1978 House Select Committee on Assassinations that John Kennedy's death was the result of a conspiracy, it stands apart from other works on the subject by offering what could be the missing pieces of the JFK murder puzzle.

In Reasonable Doubt, Hurt offers answers to the questions: "who were the conspirators?" and "how did they manage to kill the president before our eyes and escape justice?"

According to Hurt, the center of this historical storm was Robert Easterling, "a multiple felon, an ex-convict, a raging alcoholic, a diagnosed psychotic and schizophrenic" who came forward with a confession because he believed he was dying and wanted to clear his conscience.

In so doing, Easterling gained the unique distinction of being the only person to offer a "full, detailed" confession to the crime of the century, according to Hurt.

Unlike the FBI and others who chose to ignore Robert Easterling's confession, Hurt spent more than 100 hours interviewing the brutal ex convict. Where others chose to pass up any investigation of Easterling because they claimed he couldn't identify or locate the people he named as co-conspirators, Hurt listened. If Easterling's story is true, then Hurt has succeeded in explaining many of the questions that have plagued this numbing tragedy for more than two decades.

Hurt said Easterling repeatedly attempted to contact the FBI with his story. Following the 1975 attempt on the life of President Gerald  Ford, Easterling tried again, this time with the Secret Service.

Although the Secret Service was interested in Easterling as late as 1982, there is no evidence any governmental agency took him seriously, Hurt said.

That's probably because it wasn't possible to verify Easterling's story in "traditional fashion," Hurt said. In the early '60s, Easterling lived at the Windmill Trailer Court in Marrero, La., near New Orleans. An oil company worker, he frequented the Habana Bar in New Orleans. The Habana Bar was a haven for Cuban exiles at the time. Hurt identified Orest Pena, the bar's owner, as a leading member of the Cuban Revolutionary Council. He was also called an FBI and CIA source.

It was in the Habana Bar in February, 1963, that Easterling claims he was enlisted in the conspiracy to kill the president, Hurt said.  Nicknamed "Hardhat" because of the white construction hat he wore, Easterling spent the fateful night in the bar becoming reacquainted with a man named Manuel Rivera, a man he first met in 1960 when Rivera was running numbers for organized crime in New Orleans. 

Nicknamed "Hardhat" because of the white construction hat he wore, Easterling spent the fateful night in the bar becoming reacquainted with a man named Manuel Rivera, a man he first met in 1960 when Rivera was running numbers for organized crime in New Orleans. Easterling said Rivera told tales of having worked both for and against Castro, and of having been trained in Russia in sabotage and assassination techniques.

Easterling said that standing at the bar with Rivera was David W. Ferrie, a pilot who had just flown him to New Orleans from Cuba, and a man identified as Clay Shaw.

Ferrie, a violent anti-communist, religious zealot and "New Orleans styled mad genius," was thought to be a CIA contact in the Cuban community. In February, 1967, when New Orleans district attorney Jim Garrison announced he had solved the Kennedy assassination, the name of Ferrie surfaced as one of the suspects. During the course of Garrison's investigation, six witnesses claimed Ferrie, Oswald and Shaw, a prominent New Orleans businessman, met together in Clinton, La., a small town 150 m iles from New Orleans. Five days after Garrison's announcement, Ferrie was found dead. Despite a suicide note, the coroner said he died of a brain hemorrhage.

Easterling told Hurt that during the bar meeting they examined a rifle that was there when he arrived. The rifle was later identified by Rivera as a Czech-made 7-mm. automatic rifle with a special design. It had a box on the side to catch used cartridges.

After the others left, Rivera and Easterling continued their talk. It was during this conversation that Rivera told Easterling of the plan to kill  the president. Easterling said Rivera asked him to help, with the promise of good pay.

Hurt said he talked with Pena, who confirmed that Ferrie and Shaw were customers. Although Shaw had an office near the bar, Pena said he may have confused Shaw with a man named Guy Bannister.

Bannister, a former FBI agent, was once head of the Chicago office. An avid anti-communist and John Birch Society member, he supervised a small group of right- wing radicals who carried out various missions for U.S. intelligence from an office in New Orleans. Bannister died of a heart attack in June, 1964.

Easterling said Rivera stored the Czech rifle in his car along with another rifle he described as a Mannlicher-Carcano, the same model that Oswald allegedly used to kill Kennedy.

Rivera then asked Easterling to help him find a barrel of water and a place to fire the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle. Easterling said Rivera wanted both the spent slugs and their shell casings intact.

Easterling accommodated Rivera the following day, taking him to the field behind his trailer where the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle was fired and the slugs and casings were retrieved.

Easterling said Rivera held up one of the slugs afterward and told him it would someday be famous.  Weeks later, Easterling said, he was in the bar again with Rivera discussing the assassination plan when he was told a photo was going to be taken of him and the others involved. Easterling said he was blindfolded and driven with two other men to a place where the picture was taken. He said Rivera told them it was necessary to keep such a record for historical purposes.

It was at this time that Easterling was shown a rectangular, wooden box with a false bottom. The secret compartment was to be the hiding place for the Czech rifle, Easterling said.

When they returned to the bar, Easterling said, he was told details of the assassination plan. The box with the Czech rifle hidden inside would be placed where the assassination would take place. Someone else would have the other rifle, the Mannlicher-Carcano. The president would be killed with the Czech rifle, using cartridges that would disintegrate upon contact. The gun would then be smuggled out. Three shell casings from the Mannlicher-Carcano (presumably the ones fired into the water barrel) would be left at the scene (the book depository) and a slug from it (one of those fired into the water barrel) would be left (at Parkland Hospital) where the police could find it. The man with the Mannlicher-Carcano was to be set up to take the blame.

Since only three spent cartridges were found by the window in the Texas School Book Depository where the commission claims Oswald fired at the president, it was their official conclusion that only three shots were fired.

In its report, the commission said one shot shattered the president's head, a second shot missed and the third, referred to as the "magic" bullet, hit the president's back and exited through his neck. The bullet then struck Texas Gov. John Connally, who was seated in front of the president, at the rear of his right armpit. Before it exited Connally's chest it "pulverized" his fifth rib. Finally, the bullet, according to the Warren Commission, struck the governor's right wrist and entered his left thigh.

A bullet that would be ballistic ally connected to the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle was later discovered in "nearly perfect condition" in a Parkland Hospital corridor after the assassination. There was no visible blood or tissue on it. It was following this amazing account of its destructive path that critics dubbed it "magic."

Easterling described for Hurt the first time he saw Lee Harvey Oswald. It was in the Habana Bar in 1963, he said. Oswald came in with a young Cuban. It was memorable because Oswald ordered lemonade. After getting his drink, Oswald complained about the price and then threw up all over the table where the two men were sitting.

Hurt said the incident was remembered by those present that night and the description given of the man with Oswald fits the description Easterling gave of Rivera.

Later, Rivera told Easterling that Oswald was to be the dupe in the assassination and would later himself be killed. Since Easterling was supposed to pick up Oswald following the assassination and drive him to Mexico, he began to fear for his own life. Easterling believed he, too, was marked for death.

Later in that summer of 1963, Easterling recalled doing a favor for a wealthy businessman. Although the favor was a small one, he came in contact once again with two men, one of whom he identified as Clay Shaw, whom Hurt believed was Guy Bannister. The other was Dallas nightclub owner Jack Ruby. Both men were doing favors for organized crime in the area.

Easterling said the businessman told him Shaw and Ruby were involved in a plot to kill the Kennedys. Hurt said he confirmed the association but would not name the businessman.

Jack Ruby gunned down Oswald before a live television audience two days following JFK's death. With the killing by Ruby, the chance to discover firsthand whether Oswald was guilty or not, a conspirator or not, was lost forever.

The Warren Commission concluded Ruby acted alone and out of grief over the death of Kennedy. Ruby died of cancer in prison. In September, 1963, two months before the assassination, Easterling was notified he was to assist in removing Oswald, who Rivera believed was being watched by the FBI, from New Orleans. Oswald had been involved in at least two street brawls that had been reported to New Orleans police. He was also active in a Fair Play for Cuba Committee, a pro-Castro group federal officials were watching. To cover Oswald's departure from New Orleans, Easterling said, a diversionary fire was set the day Oswald was to be driven to Houston. Hurt said he followed up Easterling's account by checking times and places with official New Orleans Fire Department records. Hurt said the records all but confirmed Easterling's memory of the fire and its location, a building the FBI said Oswald had frequented in the past. The last time Oswald was seen in New Orleans was Sept. 23, just as Easterling said.

After Rivera, Oswald and Easterling reached Houston they made contact with another man, one who looked "strikingly" like Oswald, Easterling said. The man, who Easterling believed spoke little English, was identified only as "Carlo." Carlo would later figure prominently in the assassination plot.

In an effort to evaluate Easterling's confession, Hurt said he tracked down as many of the principals as possible. Orest Pena, owner of the Habana Bar, told Hurt he heard people in his bar talking about killing the president but said he heard no one plot a conspiracy. He confirmed that David Ferrie and Clay Shaw were patrons of the bar.

Hurt said Ruby visited New Orleans in June, 1963. Although he denied any connection to a conspiracy, the wealthy businessman named by Easterling as doing business with Ruby admitted to knowing Easterling, Hurt said.

As the days grew closer to Kennedy's arrival in Dallas, Easterling said he became more frightened. He was certain he would die like Rivera said Oswald would. Rivera told him his job was to come to Dallas after the assassination, pick up Oswald, then drive to Mexico. Hurt said Easterling made a desperate attempt to warn the FBI of the assassination plan. Hurt said the FBI denied it had any relationship with Easter ling. According to an official bureau statement, there is "nothing in FBI files to substantiate Mr. Easter ling's claim that he called the FBI on the night of Nov. 21, 1963," one day before the assassination.

Hurt said that in spite of the FBI's denial, most of what happened next to Easterling can be verified. Easterling said that as a means of covering for himself and avoiding any possible connection to the assassination, he planned to commit a burglary on Nov. 22. Early in the morning of the assassination day, he broke into store in Baton Rouge and after encountering the watchman escaped in his car. He had no intention of going to Dallas and picking up the doomed Oswald.

After a narrow escape from the police, Easterling went to Jackson, Miss., where he heard the first news accounts of the assassination. He watched the television coverage and the murder of Oswald by Ruby the following morning.

Easterling assumed a new identity and financed the next few months with a series of burglaries. By early 1964, Easterling was picked up by the FBI on a fugitive warrant and returned to Baton Rouge, where he was charged with the break-in on Nov. 22, 1963. He was sentenced to five years in the Louisiana State Penitentiary in Angola. He served three years.

It was not until 1974 and a chance encounter with Francisco Rivera, the younger brother of Manuel, that Easterling learned what the alleged conspirators say really happened in Dallas the day Kennedy was killed. Francisco told him in detail. Hurt writes:

"Shortly before the motorcade was due to arrive in Dealey Plaza, Rivera took advantage of the gathering crowd to slip into the Book Depository. Presumably it was not his first visit. He made his way to the sixth floor, overlooking the spacious plaza area below. He located his special box, even though there were dozens of other boxes of varying descriptions in the cavernous, warehouselike room.

"Carlo, the Oswald look-alike, was already in the building. Numerous people saw him and later remembered him. Like the real Oswald, he kept to himself and said little. Since mid-morning, the real Lee Harvey Oswald had been at the bus station a few blocks away, waiting to be picked up by Robert Easterling.

"During the minutes before the arrival of the motorcade, Rivera and Carlo made their preparations. They made sure the Mannlicher-Carcano - the Oswald rifle - was stashed between some boxes at the other end of the {book depository} room. Francisco claimed that they then took three empty cartridge shells that had been fired earlier from the Oswald rifle and placed them on the floor beside the assassin's window. Rivera removed the Czech rifle from the special box and checked it over. All was ready.

"Rivera stood back from the window as he watched the presidential motorcade approaching his position. He could see the tanned and smiling face of John F. Kennedy, the president of the United States, as he waved to the cheering crowds. As the president's limousine made the turn from Houston onto Elm Street, just below him, Rivera stepped to the window and crouched.

"The head of President Kennedy filled the rifle scope. Rivera took a deep breath, expelled it slowly, then squeezed the trigger. With stunning speed and accuracy, he fired three times in 5.6 seconds to strike his moving target. His firing time had been been better on the coconuts, but this got the job done. Rivera waited a fraction of a second after the last shot to see if another was needed. But he could see that it was not necessary. He had blown apart the president's head.

"Moving quickly, Rivera returned the Czech rifle {that fired the exploding bullets} to its hiding place beneath the false bottom of the special box. At that moment, Carlo was dawdling about at the soda machine four floors below. {It appeared Carlo's role was to be seen in the building and mistaken for Oswald so there would be no doubt that the real Oswald had been in the building at the time of the shooting.} Carlo was challenged by a police officer who was rushing past him to reach the uppe r floors of the building. But Carlo remained calm and said nothing. A man who worked in the building told the policeman that Carlo - whom he believed to be Oswald - also worked there. Carlo then slowly made his way out of the building and melted into the hysterical crowds.

"Within minutes, Manuel Rivera had left the building. At the parking lot, he and Carlo got into a car and were on their way home. At some point, a little later, the nearly perfect bullet that had been fired from the Oswald rifle into a water barrel was placed on an unattended stretcher in a public corridor at Parkland Hospital, where the dying president had been taken."

Hurt points out some of the "enduring oddities" of evidence other investigators have pondered for years. The three cartridge shells linked to Oswald's rifle. Shells which were not scattered about in a normal fashion.

"Another curious point is the failure by investigators to find a single Mannlicher-Carcano cartridge other than those, including a live round still in the rifle,  discovered at the scene," Hurt said. "No extra cartridge was ever found on Oswald or in his possessions. No evidence was found that he ever purchased ammunition at all. If he was the assassin, his only ammunition was at the scene - the cartridge shells lined up as evidence in the assassin's lair. There is no official explanation as to where Oswald supposedly got his four cartridges."

Hurt called the alleged assassination weapon, the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle, one of the "worst possible" selections for such shooting. Oswald was a marginal marksman in the Marines. "Yet he is credited with a combination of shooting skills on Nov. 22 that has never been  matched in repeated government tests by the most proficient riflemen in the United States," Hurt said.

"Moreover, there is no evidence that the Mannlicher-Carcano was even fired on the day of the assassination." Hurt takes aim at the investigation conducted immediately following the assassination. Although the alleged murder weapon was discovered less than an hour after the shooting, he said, there is no evidence of any further search of the building or its contents. According to the Warren Report, Oswald's clipboard was found 10 days later on the sixth floor. "His jacket was not found until late November."

The litany of clues, claims and coincidences will perhaps haunt the Kennedy assassination story forever. In his conclusion to Easterling's "confession," Hurt returns to much of what has puzzled others before him.

"The case against Lee Harvey Oswald has always been circumstantial at best. No reliable witness ever placed him in the assassin's lair," he said. There were no fingerprints on the rifle and "only the most tenuous evidence" to indicate Oswald took the Mannlicher-Carcano into the building. There is also no known motive, Hurt said. "During his interrogation, Oswald stoutly denied his guilt. `I didn't shoot anyone,' he stated in a corridor encounter with the press. 

"What, then, was Oswald's role?

"He was silenced, of course, before he could give his version of events. However, in one of his last statements on record, Oswald shouted to reporters:

" `I'm just a patsy! I'm just a patsy!' "

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Henry Hurt's, Reasonable Doubt (1986), is now 33 years old, and remains one of the weakest JFK CT books of all time.

Henry Hurt used to work for Edward Epstein in the 1960's, interviewing Marines who knew Oswald, and then he went on to other topics.  He picked up JFK again with his alleged meeting of a person -- probably a shill -- named Robert Easterling who wanted to "confess" (for some reason to Henry Hurt) about his role in the JFK Assassination.

Yeah, right.

Everybody knows that by 1981, there had been a ton of JFK CT literature pouring out of American and European printing presses.  Anybody after 1980 could just rehash other people's material to come up with any old CT.   But it was always good marketing to have a really "new" person to pop up out of nowhere.   Hence -- Easterling.

It's simply old news that that WC blamed the FBI and CIA for dereliction -- and that Parkland and Bethesda disagreed.  It is old hat that Oswald could not have run from the 6th to the 2nd floor in 2 minutes to meet Officer Baker, all cool, calm and collected.  It is old news that several witnesses, including WC witnesses, reported Grassy Knoll shooters.

Hurt's survey of the J.D. Tippit shooting has been surpassed for decades.  Everybody already knew in 1986 that the WC and the HSCA disagreed about Jack Ruby's ties to organized crime.  What did Hurt bring to the table?

Hurt discounts Jim Garrison's clear demonstrations that Lee Harvey Oswald was connected with a FAKE FPCC in New Orleans, as a Fake Commie.  For Hurt, Oswald was really a Red and a Castro supporter.  This isn't a new CT, it's as old as Edward Epstein -- but it's making a comeback in recent days, to fill in the void as JFK Researchers from around the world analyze the 30,000+ pages of US Government documents released last October pursuant to the JFK Records Act. 

Ernie is falling for it because he's new to JFK CT literature.   He's been on this Forum for years -- but only now learning about Henry Hurt. 

Hurt's so-called confession of Robert Easterling is a hoax based on a delusion inside a joke.   It doesn't deserve any notice at all.  Yet if not for this "new" person in the JFK CT, nothing at all would distinguish Henry Hurt's book from a ton of books that went before it.

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Henry Hurt's, Reasonable Doubt (1986), is now 33 years old, and remains one of the weakest JFK CT books of all time.

Henry Hurt used to work for Edward Epstein in the 1960's, interviewing Marines who knew Oswald, and then he went on to other topics.  He picked up JFK again with his alleged meeting of a person -- probably a shill -- named Robert Easterling who wanted to "confess" (for some reason to Henry Hurt) about his role in the JFK Assassination.

Yeah, right.

Everybody knows that by 1981, there had been a ton of JFK CT literature pouring out of American and European printing presses.  Anybody after 1980 could just rehash other people's material to come up with any old CT.   But it was always good marketing to have a really "new" person to pop up out of nowhere.   Hence -- Easterling.

It's simply old news that that WC blamed the FBI and CIA for dereliction -- and that Parkland and Bethesda disagreed.  It is old hat that Oswald could not have run from the 6th to the 2nd floor in 2 minutes to meet Officer Baker, all cool, calm and collected.  It is old news that several witnesses, including WC witnesses, reported Grassy Knoll shooters.

Hurt's survey of the J.D. Tippit shooting has been surpassed for decades.  Everybody already knew in 1986 that the WC and the HSCA disagreed about Jack Ruby's ties to organized crime.  What did Hurt bring to the table?

Hurt discounts Jim Garrison's clear demonstrations that Lee Harvey Oswald was connected with a FAKE FPCC in New Orleans, as a Fake Commie.  For Hurt, Oswald was really a Red and a Castro supporter.  This isn't a new CT, it's as old as Edward Epstein -- but it's making a comeback in recent days, to fill in the void as JFK Researchers from around the world analyze the 30,000+ pages of US Government documents released last October pursuant to the JFK Records Act. 

Ernie is falling for it because he's new to JFK CT literature.   He's been on this Forum for years -- but only now learning about Henry Hurt. 

Hurt's so-called confession of Robert Easterling is a hoax based on a delusion inside a joke.   It doesn't deserve any notice at all.  Yet if not for this "new" person in the JFK CT, nothing at all would distinguish Henry Hurt's book from a ton of books that went before it.

Sincerely,
--Paul Trejo

As usual, you miss the point Paul.  Easterling is another person who claims to be an "eyewitness" who presented a "confession" (just like Harry Dean).  You think Easterling's story is "a hoax" but I bet you cannot disprove it with actual factual evidence.

It is not a question of me "only now learning about Henry Hurt".  Instead, I posted the Chicago Sun-Times article because I doubted that many people on this website had ever seen it.

Your message only reveals how incredibly juvenile you are

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...the J.D. Tippit shooting...

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Paul, 

In my view JD Tippit remains an avenue worth pursuing further.   

My modest efforts have been almost entirely around digesting the 2017 document releases, which in turn led me to I think something of a feel for the way the FBI and CIA operated in the early 1960s.  I can see Tippit was of little interest.

US investigative agencies did little more than a cursory, superficial analysis of Tippit.  When someone offered a tip about Tippit, it was dutifully recorded in flat bureaucratic efficiency, but it went no further.  No appreciation of his relevance or a deliberate effort to avoid opening a can of worms?

Whatever secrets the Tippit angle may still reveal might not be found in government files.  He was simply never an object of data collection.

Can you remind us of your take on Tippit?   

Tippit's right wing identity is a given, but what is his role, was his death planned, and what did he think he was doing that day?

 

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Paul, 

In my view JD Tippit remains an avenue worth pursuing further.   

My modest efforts have been almost entirely around digesting the 2017 document releases, which in turn led me to I think something of a feel for the way the FBI and CIA operated in the early 1960s.  I can see Tippit was of little interest.

US investigative agencies did little more than a cursory, superficial analysis of Tippit.  When someone offered a tip about Tippit, it was dutifully recorded in flat bureaucratic efficiency, but it went no further.  No appreciation of his relevance or a deliberate effort to avoid opening a can of worms?

Whatever secrets the Tippit angle may still reveal might not be found in government files.  He was simply never an object of data collection.

Can you remind us of your take on Tippit?   

Tippit's right wing identity is a given, but what is his role, was his death planned, and what did he think he was doing that day?

Jason

Jason, 

My take on J.D. Tippit is largely the same as that of Jeff Caufield in his recent book, General Walker and the Murder of President Kennedy: the Extensive New Research on a Radical Right Conspiracy (2015).

In brief it goes like this:

(1)  J.D. Tippit was a superb marksman, though was generally considered shy, unless he was ticketing or arresting somebody, then he switched into an aggressive mode.

(2)  J.D., by the way, stands for nothing at all.   In the 1960's, many Texans named their children with initials only.   It was a fashion.   J.D.'s name was essentially "Jaydee".   

(2.1)  I guess  he was teased about this all his life, which made him socially shy.   He had a widespread reputation that he never looked anybody in the eye.  Yet he also had reputation for being aggressive in any confrontation. 

(3)  J.D. was married with children, and a normal Church-going Texan.  He also had a mistress on the side -- and in 1963 she became pregnant. 

(4)  J.D. Tippit had not been promoted along with his age group at the Dallas Police.  He had a few citations against his behavior on the street -- and there was DPD talk about his shyness.

(5)  J.D. Tippit took outside jobs to supplement his income.  One of those jobs was to monitor unruly teenagers at Austin's BBQ in Dallas on weekends.

(6)  That was also the location and the time-frame that the local John Birch Society met under Ex-General Edwin Walker.

(7)  Jeff Caufield links Walker with Tippit at that location.   That went on for much of 1963.

(8)  The politics of J.D. Tippit were never explored, but they are crucial, if he was connected with General Walker, who was openly hostile to JFK.

(9)  According to Harry Dean, General Walker in mid-September 1963, was sharing with select members of the John Birch Society his identification of Lee Harvey Oswald, an alleged Communist, as a target for his political anger.

(10)  According to his own personal papers, Walker wrote to Senator Frank Church in 1976, explaining that he knew that Oswald was the one who shot at him on April 10, "within days" of the shooting.   He was informed by somebody official.

(11) According to Jeff Caufield, Ex-General Walker had been tracking Lee Harvey Oswald since April, 1963.  Walker knew Guy Banister of New Orleans very well, said Caufield, as well as Gerry Patrick Hemming and Loran Hall.    I accept all of this.

(12) I also believe that DPD officer Roscoe White was involved in the same Radical Right political movement in Dallas.  His wife, years later, provided US Government authorities with an Oswald Backyard Photograph that they never saw before. 

(13)  The main question I have is about J.D. Tippit's involvement in the JFK Assassination.   

(14) I have read some interesting and near-convincing Tippit CT's on the Internet, and here is one I entertain:

(14.1)   Some CTers have analyzed the "Badgeman" photograph in depth and detail with the latest photographic equipment, and have identified him as J.D. Tippit.

(14.2)  If (and only if) that is true and correct, then it places J.D. Tippit in contact with General Walker, the Friends of Walker group, and the JFK Assassination, and with a plot against Lee Harvey Oswald on the same day that JFK was targeted -- by the same group.

(14.3)  If (and only if) that is true and correct, then we can more easily explain J.D. Tippit's frantic behavior after the JFK Assassination, as his role to kill Lee Harvey Oswald on sight, in the streets, with a minimum of provocation for appearances.

(14.4)  I maintain that Lee Harvey Oswald killed J.D. Tippit.   I maintain that Oswald did this in self-defense.   J.D. Tippit was clearly drawing his weapon, and Oswald beat him to the draw.   Tippit died with his weapon in his hand.

(14.5) It is also possible that Oswald was one of two who killed J.D. Tippit, the other being Roscoe White. 

(14.5.1.) There are multiple accounts that name White in the J.D. Tippit shooting, for example, Mike Robinson.

(14.5.2)  For another example, Ricky White, son of Roscoe White.

(15) I doubt that J.D. Tippit knew Lee Harvey Oswald personally or socially, or was paid to drive Oswald to an airport.   

(16)  In my opinion, J.D. Tippit's only job was to kill Oswald on sight.   Oswald had already been sheep-dipped in New Orleans, and General Walker knew this -- and even had film footage of Oswald from New Orleans.  Oswald had been in the papers numerous times.   J.D. Tippit knew what Oswald looked like.

Anyway, Jason, you asked, and so that is a brief summary of my thinking about J.D. Tippit.    What do you think about him?

All best,
--Paul 

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My take on J.D. Tippit is largely the same as that of Jeff Caufield in his recent book, General Walker and the Murder of President Kennedy: the Extensive New Research on a Radical Right Conspiracy (2015).

...

(12) I also believe that DPD officer Roscoe White was involved in the same Radical Right political movement in Dallas.  His wife, years later, provided US Government authorities with an Oswald Backyard Photograph that they never saw before. 

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(14.5) It is also possible that Oswald was one of two who killed J.D. Tippit, the other being Roscoe White. 

(14.5.1.) There are multiple accounts that name White in the J.D. Tippit shooting, for example, Mike Robinson.

 

...

  What do you think about him?

All best,
--Paul 

Hi Paul,

I think I've found a comfortable level of checking in about once a week, so keep in mind I'm around and read everything but don't have time to respond as quick as I used to do.  Since you asked, here are a few thoughts, and a piece of evidence for everyone's review.

1. A few things subjectively stick out to me about Tippit, mainly centered around the fact that he is not well educated, never considered an intellectual, and probably already at a career dead-end at a young age in 1963.  Mainly, I say this kind of guy is as far from the CIA and Ivy League intellectuals as you can get.   

I'll leave the details to you and Dr Caufield, but from my read of raw CIA/FBI communications released in 2017, it is clear that J D Tippit is not in actual practice nor hypothetically the type of resource even rogue US intelligence agencies would employ.  IMO, never in a million years would CIA or FBI men risk hiring [what they would call] a dumb Texas redneck like Tippit to do anything.  This begs the question: Who would hire a stereotypical Texas redneck cop to help in the JFK conspiracy?

2. The totally new (which were proven to be first generation; i.e. not copied) Oswald backyard photos that turned up with Roscoe White's wife in the 1970s speaks volumes.  Probably this is not precisely Tippit related, so I'll leave it at that.   

3. Oswald's not a killer, IMO.   He reads James Bond novels checked out from the library and his family has to seek public assistance for healthcare.  He's a loser and if you have balls enough to kill a cop you probably have balls enough to get your life in order and provide a decent living for your family.   But, this is just my understanding of his personality, it isn't based on any evidence from the Tippit murder scene.  You may be right that LHO fired at Tippitt, I just think it's inconsistent with his past.

The Tippit side of this remains undiscovered in a box somewhere in Texas; he was simply brushed off by official investigations. There's room for hope here.

 

 

1. Tippit in an early 1964 FBI review:

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2. Some strange cutouts found in the DPD assassination files, eh?  Cutouts exist in the DPD fiiles of all the known backyard pictures taken at Oswald's Neeley St. apartment; notice too the vertical lines.

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https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339222/m1/1/?q=cut out

 

3. This document is mildly interesting to me because it starts by insisting only a "limited" investigation into Tippit will occur AND because verifying Tippit's family background was ...problematic.

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Michael Paine, debated politics with JFK assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, dies at 89

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Michael Paine of Sebastopol was a civil libertarian and retired aeronautical engineer who, while living outside Dallas in 1963, engaged in occasional political discussions with a self-identified Marxist named Lee Harvey Oswald.

Following the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, he immediately thought of Oswald when he heard of the shooting “but dismissed him because I didn’t think he was that irrational,” Paine later told an interviewer.

In testimony before the Warren Commission, created to investigate the assassination of JFK, Paine said he did not regard Oswald as someone likely to kill a president.

“I saw he was a bitter person … very little charity in his view toward anybody, but I thought he was harmless,” he told the commission.

Through much of the 55 years since JFK’s murder, some conspiracy narratives have alleged that both Paine and his former wife, Santa Rosa resident Ruth Paine, were CIA operatives and framed Oswald.

Both rejected the scenario as ridiculous, declaring that their observations and knowledge of Oswald persuaded them that the killing of Kennedy was the work of him alone.

Michael Paine told an interviewer not long after the shooting, “I think it’s a lone wolf thing. The opportunity presented itself to him and he probably wanted to make a mark on society.”

Paine died March 1 in Sebastopol, where he had lived with or near his son the past 14 years. He was 89.

He was born in New York City on June 25, 1928, to architect and left-wing activist G. Lyman Paine and Ruth Forbes Young, founder of the International Peace Academy.

Michael Paine studied at Harvard and Swarthmore and was living in Pennsylvania when, in 1957, he married Ruth Avery Hyde. Two years later, Michael Hyde took a job with Bell Helicopter that required a relocation to Texas.

The couple settled in Irving, a suburb of Dallas. They had two children, Tamarin and Chris, when they separated amicably in the fall of 1962, then continued to spend time together as a family.

The children lived with Ruth Paine, a Quaker who has said she studied the Russian language in order to counter Cold War tensions by seeking out dialogue with Russian people.

In February 1963, she heard of a Russian woman who spoke no English, having recently moved to the U.S. with her young daughter and her husband, Lee Harvey Oswald. Ruth, now a retired teacher and school counselor living in Rincon Valley, has said she liked the idea of having someone with whom to practice her Russian.

So she reached out to the Oswalds. She invited her ex-husband, too, when she had 21-year-old Marina and Lee Oswald, 23, and baby June over for dinner. Ruth and Marina became friends.

That friendship on occasion brought Michael Paine and Lee Oswald together, and three or four times they engaged in political discussions. Paine, a liberal and longtime member of the American Civil Liberties Union, would later describe Oswald as a “pipsqueak,” but one whose politics he tried to understand.

“He told me he became a Marxist in this country by reading books and without having ever having met a communist,” Paine said in an interview following the assassination.

“With me he spoke very freely and he complained that with other people he couldn’t … they wouldn’t talk about political subjects. He would talk about nothing else.”

In interviews and in testimony before the Warren Commission, Paine described Oswald as a lonely man who seemed to like very few people. But in their conversations he never revealed hostility toward Kennedy.

“I expressed my appreciation of President Kennedy and he didn’t ever argue with me on that point,” Paine said in an interview.

In a 2013 essay he titled, “My Experience with Lee Harvey Oswald,” Paine recalled that Oswald once declared emphatically that “change only comes through violence.”

“I’d also heard him say that President Kennedy was the best president he had in his lifetime. Looking back on what happened, these two statements seem impossibly contradictory … how could a man want to kill a president whom he thought was the best president he’d had in his lifetime?”

Though Michael Paine remained no more than an acquaintance to the Oswalds, Ruth took Marina Oswald under her wing and tried to be helpful to her struggling family.

Ruth, who became a key witness to the Warren Commission, has said she was hoping to bring a degree of stability to the Oswalds when, in the fall of 1963, she told Lee Oswald about a job opening she’d heard of — at the Texas School Book Depository in Dallas.

Oswald was hired. He rented a room near the job. In late September, Marina accepted an invitation by Ruth live with her and her children in Irving, about a 20-minute drive from Dallas

Ruth Paine allowed the Oswalds to store most of their belongings in her garage. For weeks, Lee Oswald, who had no car or drivers license, hitched a ride to Ruth’s house after work on Fridays, then spent the weekend there with his family.

It surprised Ruth Paine when Oswald appeared at her home unannounced on a Thursday — Nov. 21, 1963. Later that night, she walked into the garage and found the light was on, causing her to wonder who’d been in there.

When she arose the next morning, Lee Oswald was already up and gone. He’d left a coffee cup in the kitchen sink.

At 12:30 that afternoon, gunshots killed JFK as he sat beside his wife, Jacqueline, in the back of a convertible Cadillac just after the presidential motorcade passed by the book depository.

It would soon dawn on the Paines that Lee Harvey Oswald had hidden his scoped, bolt-action rifle in Ruth’s garage.

In the 9,400-word “My Experience with Lee Harvey Oswald,” Michael Paine wrote that he believed the assassin acted alone and decided only shortly before Nov. 22, 1963, to do something that would make himself infamous.

“The nation would remember him as the one who had shot the president of the strongest capitalist nation of the world,” Paine wrote. “He wanted to be important — not inconsequential. He would be in the history books now, and that is what he wanted.”

Both of the Paines testified before the Warren Commission in 1964, Ruth more extensively because of her nearly yearlong friendship with Marina Oswald and her many encounters with Marina’s controlling husband.

In time, the Paines left Texas. Michael Paine lived and worked in Concord, Massachusetts, and was active in coastal conservation and supported Planned Parenthood and the ACLU. He moved to Sonoma County in 2004.

He and his son, Chris Panym, founded near Sebastopol a “multi-household, multi-age, multi-enterprise community” they called Green Valley Village. They were unable to bring it to fruition.

Chris Panym said that as his father approached aged 90 he lost his memory but all his life was committed to championing the environment and civil liberty.

In addition to his son in Sebastopol and his former wife in Santa Rosa, Paine is survived by his daughter, Tamarin Laurel-Paine of Middlefield, Massachusetts.

There will be a memorial service at 1 p.m. on April 14 in the library at Friends House in Rincon Valley. Panym asks people interested in attending to RSVP to him at 707-861-1169.

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Michael Paine was one of the final surviving witnesses of the behavior of Lee Harvey Oswald during the final weeks of Oswald's life.

Michael Paine knew very well what a loose cannon Lee Harvey Oswald presented to his family, especially to Ruth Paine.

Lee Harvey Oswald was -- in the words of George De Mohrenschildt --- "unstable."   

The wealthy Michael Paine (his mother was closely connected to old money on the East Coast) was also very well educated, actually brilliant -- and was an engineer for Bell Helicopter for most of his career.   He was also a capable singer in Church choir.  He was a Unitarian.

More to the point, Michael Paine was somewhat of an expert on Marxism.   His biological father was a dedicated Communist of the Leon Trotsky variety.  His father had a very arge home in Los Angeles, and would hold enormous meetings at his home, with Communists from all over the world.   Young Michael would soak it all in, noticing the sects and the in-fighting, and the points in common, and the points in dispute.

Young Michael Paine knew Marxism like the back of his hand.   He decided it wasn't for him.   He joined the Democratic Party.

One thing that Michael Paine knew in 1963 when he first met Lee, who loved to talk about Marxism (with people who knew what they were talking about) was that Lee Harvey Oswald never a genuine Marxist of any stripe.   Lee Harvey Oswald was a big talker, and a big Fake.   A genuine Marxist would always find like-minded people and join their organization, and start working in the streets for the kind of justice that their group demanded.  There was no exception to that rule.

Lee Harvey Oswald liked to read and talk -- but that's all that he liked to do.  He would never ACT.   He would never DO anything or JOIN any group to get off his butt and DO something.    

Michael Paine first met Lee Harvey Oswald at Lee's apartment on  214 West Neely Street in Dallas on April 2, 1963.   Michael drove his car there from Irving, Texas, to pick the Oswald's up for dinner at Ruth Paine's home.   (Michael and Ruth were separated.   Michael lived in an apartment near his office, while Ruth lived with their two children in a small house in Irving.)  Ruth had begun a personal friendship with Marina Oswald starting on February 22, 1963.  They mostly talked about children.   Marina had told Ruth her secret -- she was pregnant again.

When Michael went to pick them up, Marina was not yet ready with Baby June and her things.    Instead of helping her, Lee would bark orders to her in an impatient manner.   This was between talking non-stop to Michael Paine.

The most remarkable event that occurred on April 2, 1963, there at  214 West Neely Street, was that Lee Harvey Oswald proudly showed Michael Paine one of his "Backyard Photographs."  In this photograph, Oswald was standing by the backyard stairs of the Neely apartment, holding his rifle and wearing his pistol, and holding two Marxist newspapers (from opposing Marxist organizations, though Lee evidently didn't know that). 

We know that Lee showed Michael this photograph now, because Michael Paine told Dan Rather this fact in a historical, face-to-face interview in 1995.

Michael Paine looked at Lee's Backyard Photograph and was not impressed.  It looked posed and phony.  It fit the type of person who liked to talk and show off about Marxism, but never really joined a Marxist organization to DO ANYTHING.   Pathetic, thought Michael.

I fervently hope that Michael Paine left a written memoir about the JFK Assassination.   No doubt this was the biggest event in this engineer's life -- being so close to the reputed John Wilkes Booth of his generation.  Michael Paine -- in my humble opinion -- knew more about the Walker shooting than any other living person.   I hope he left a memoir.   It could change US History.

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Ed Brackett, USA TODAYPublished 4:34 p.m. ET March 19, 2018 | Updated 8:41 p.m. ET March 19, 2018

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/03/19/jfk-files-15-year-lawsuit-over-mysterious-cia-agent-drags-final-files-await-release/435989002/

WASHINGTON — For 15 years, journalist, author and assassination expert Jefferson Morley has fought to compel the CIA to produce records about longtime spy George Joannides, who worked with a group associated with President John F. Kennedy's acknowledged assassin and then aided the committee that tried to investigate that killing.

Morley returned to federal court again Monday, this time before a three-judge appeals court panel to get the government to pay legal fees that have climbed to more than $500,000, said Morley's attorney, James Lesar.

Circumstances around Kennedy's murder and the various theories over the decades that reject the idea that the lone assassin was Oswald — who himself was murdered during a jail transfer two days after Kennedy was killed — can get pretty complicated.

Morley, however, says his case is simple: The government needs to inform the public of its activities. Morley wants the appeals court in Washington to force the government to pay his legal fees and to get the CIA to reveal some of Joannides' records.

"We're talking about very specific things. We are not talking about a Chinese box," he said in response to a question mentioning the term.

Bill Miller, public information officer of the Washington U.S. Attorney's office, said the office had no comment on the case beyond its court motions and filings.

As more and more government files have been released under the JFK Records Act since October, various long-held CIA secrets have been revealed, many of them not related to the assassination, at least directly. But even with the court case and the Records Act — with its final production due in April — files on Joannides remain scarce.

In 1963, the year Kennedy was murdered, Joannides was the CIA case officer over students from Cuba eager to oust dictator Fidel Castro, who had seized power in 1959. In 1978, Joannides was named by the CIA as its contact with the House Select Committee on Assassinations.

The committee wanted to know more about the student group, which was called the DRE and code-named AMSPELL. It was part of the CIA efforts to undermine Castro. Another CIA operation on a separate track even aimed to assassinate Castro, using the Mafia and assets within Cuba. 

Oswald had a bizarre interaction with a DRE member in New Orleans the summer leading up to Kennedy's Nov. 22 murder, in Dallas — to which Oswald moved from New Orleans. And just after the assassination, the DRE publicized that encounter with Oswald, and Oswald's avowed support of Castro.

Committee staffers wanted to know more about Oswald and the DRE, but they were stymied by Joannides and the CIA, who did not tell the committee that the agent handled the DRE in 1963 was ... Joannides himself.

CIA trying to chill inquiry, lawyer says

Lesar, president of the Assassination Archives and Research Center, said the CIA is trying to chill further efforts to open more records by making the plaintiffs pay for the litigation even when there's a public benefit.

So far, however, U.S. District Judge Richard Leon has disagreed, ruling there is no public benefit in records relating to Joannides, who died in 1990. Other appeals court proceedings have sent the issue back to Leon to address finer legal points.

Monday's appeals court appearance is the fifth time Morley's case has been presented, Lesar said.

A ruling from the panel of three circuit judges — Karen Henderson, Brett Kavanaugh and Gergory Kalsas — could come anywhere from a month to one and a half years, Lesar said.

Most of the fees come from the years-long fight over who should pay, Lesar said.

Morley's lawsuit began nearly 15 years ago, after the CIA refused to produce any records it had on Joannides that the National Archives didn't already have. Five years after that 2003 filing, Morley prevailed. The CIA produced records showing among other things that Joannides had a residence available to him in New Orleans possibly around the time Oswald had a very public altercation there with a member of the student group.

The records also revealed that a then-retired Joannides got a "Career Intelligence Medal" in 1981. Morley said Monday that its reference to his work at headquarters is a pat on the back for stonewalling the House committee.

Oswald's 1963 interaction with the DRE in New Orleans is one in a series of bizarre episodes in the life of the Marine who had earlier defected to the Soviet Union only to return two and half years later.

On Aug. 5, 1963, Oswald approached a DRE member and offered his services to the militant anti-Castroites. Yet four days later the member, Carlos Bringuier, saw Oswald on a street handing out leaflets for a pro-Castro group.

Called the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, the group's New Orleans chapter in reality wasn't a bona fide group at all, having only one member — Oswald. A fight ensued, and both were arrested. The two subsequently appeared on a radio debate over Cuba on a New Orleans radio station.

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...Oswald's 1963 interaction with the DRE in New Orleans is one in a series of bizarre episodes in the life of the Marine who had earlier defected to the Soviet Union only to return two and half years later.

On Aug. 5, 1963, Oswald approached a DRE member and offered his services to the militant anti-Castroites. Yet four days later the member, Carlos Bringuier, saw Oswald on a street handing out leaflets for a pro-Castro group.

Called the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, the group's New Orleans chapter in reality wasn't a bona fide group at all, having only one member — Oswald. A fight ensued, and both were arrested. The two subsequently appeared on a radio debate over Cuba on a New Orleans radio station.

We still owe a debt of gratitude to New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison, who, in 1968, revealed to America all the research he had been doing in New Orleans regarding Lee Harvey Oswald's activities there in the summer of 1963.

It was Jim Garrison who revealed that the New Orleans chapter of the FPCC wasn't a bona fide chapter, but a Fake FPCC.    Jim Garrison also showed that the filming of Oswald on the streets of New Orleans as an alleged "Communist," was staged by the same people who helped Oswald set up this Fake FPCC there at 544 Camp Street.

History will remember Jim Garrison -- with all his faults -- as one of the true American heroes of the JFK CT saga.

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