Did the Dallas Radical Right kill JFK?

[Ernie Lazar]

A very long time ago (I think 2 years or more now), I responded to a message by Paul Trejo by asking an obvious question:

IF (as Paul and others allege) for 54 years, the FBI has:

(1) deliberately suppressed what Paul claims are "Top Secret" documents which reveal the "JBS plot" and which validate Harry Dean's recollections AND, furthermore,

(2) senior officials of the FBI have deliberately LIED to umpteen different Congressional investigators AND, furthermore,

(3)  if (as Paul also alleges), the FBI even went to the trouble to deliberately censor their own record-keeping systems so that NONE of those documents would even appear in the FBI's Central Records System AND

(4)  the FBI also redacted literally hundreds or perhaps thousands of serials (memos and reports) so that references to those "top secret" documents (and the file numbers they appear in) were never publicly revealed before now, AND

(5)  as Paul has also alleged -- the FBI was somehow able to censor the records inventory systems of ALL other agencies (e.g. Secret Service, White House, Dept of Justice. military intelligence, to name just a few) so that all references to those "top secret" FBI documents would NOT appear in their databases either

----- THEN -- why would the FBI be willing to release ANY of these documents this week -- when you consider that they have gone to such extraordinary and superhuman effort to suppress all knowledge of these alleged documents for 54 years?

But, again, this is just another example of how Paul always attempts to REVERSE ENGINEER some explanation when he has absolutely NO empirical evidence of any kind whatsoever to substantiate his delusions AND he cannot find a single human being within government OR within the academic research community who has ever come forward to substantiate his assertions.

[Paul Trejo]

16 hours ago, Ernie Lazar said:

A very long time ago (I think 2 years or more now), I responded to a message by Paul Trejo by asking an obvious question:

IF (as Paul and others allege) for 54 years, the FBI has:

(1) deliberately suppressed what Paul claims are "Top Secret" documents which reveal the "JBS plot" and which validate Harry Dean's recollections AND, furthermore,

(2) senior officials of the FBI have deliberately LIED to umpteen different Congressional investigators AND, furthermore,

(3)  if (as Paul also alleges), the FBI even went to the trouble to deliberately censor their own record-keeping systems so that NONE of those documents would even appear in the FBI's Central Records System AND

(4)  the FBI also redacted literally hundreds or perhaps thousands of serials (memos and reports) so that references to those "top secret" documents (and the file numbers they appear in) were never publicly revealed before now, AND

(5)  as Paul has also alleged -- the FBI was somehow able to censor the records inventory systems of ALL other agencies (e.g. Secret Service, White House, Dept of Justice. military intelligence, to name just a few) so that all references to those "top secret" FBI documents would NOT appear in their databases either

----- THEN -- why would the FBI be willing to release ANY of these documents this week -- when you consider that they have gone to such extraordinary and superhuman effort to suppress all knowledge of these alleged documents for 54 years?

But, again, this is just another example of how Paul always attempts to REVERSE ENGINEER some explanation when he has absolutely NO empirical evidence of any kind whatsoever to substantiate his delusions AND he cannot find a single human being within government OR within the academic research community who has ever come forward to substantiate his assertions.

Ernie,

Truly the CT community has become too cynical. 

The reason that the FBI kept those records so secret was because of a US President (LBJ) order.

The reason that the FBI will release all those records by tomorrow is because of a US President (GHW Bush) order.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

Edited October 25, 2017 by Paul Trejo

[Ernie Lazar]

35 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:

Ernie,

Truly the CT community has become too cynical. 

The reason that the FBI kept those records so secret was because of a US President (LBJ) order.

The reason that the FBI will release all those records by tomorrow is because of a US President (GHW Bush) order.

Regards

--Paul Trejo

But we have no evidence that President LBJ "ordered" anybody at the FBI, or at the Secret Service, or military intelligence, or at the White House, or at the Department of Justice or at dozens of other agencies -- to

(1)  PURGE their record-keeping systems so that no trace of your "top secret" documents exists anywhere and

(2)  PROHIBIT every single human being who ever saw those alleged "top secret" documents (including clerical personnel) from ever mentioning their existence to someone

In a free society it is almost impossible to keep secrets -- especially for long periods of time because

(a)  there is NEVER unanimity within ANY government.  There are ALWAYS people within EVERY government agency who leak information (to journalists, to Congresspersons or just to friends/relatives/co-workers) for various reasons

(b)  our entire system is constructed to facilitate transparency because we have 3 co-equal branches of government -- each of which may have differing interpretations or interests or priorities -- and there are always policy conflicts and egos to deal with

NOTE:  Consider the Trump White House.   Almost every week there is some kind of leak about a private conversation that occurred in the Oval Office when a handful of people attended some meeting.

This is one of the characteristics of conspiratorial thinking.  Superhuman qualities are attributed to the conspirators. 

"They" are able to suppress all knowledge of their activities (or their very existence) for multiple decades. 

"They" are able to purge hundreds or thousands of records created by and disseminated by large bureaucracies . 

"They" are NOT susceptible to normal human limitations or defects.  "They" don't argue with each other.  "They" don't have personality disputes.  "They" don't have differing interpretations or different priorities....so.....instead "they" can function like a flawless well-oiled machine for multiple decades without anybody knowing.

Edited October 25, 2017 by Ernie Lazar

[Ernie Lazar]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/judge-who-saw-secret-jfk-files-conspiracy-theorists-will-be-disappointed-in-thursdays-release/article/2638524 

Judge who saw secret JFK files: Conspiracy theorists will be disappointed in Thursday's release

by Todd Shepherd | Oct 25, 2017, 9:00 AM

A federal judge in Minnesota who has seen a sizable portion of the unreleased documents on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy says those documents, due to be released Thursday, won't be as exciting as many are hoping.

"The [Assassination Records Review Board] was very careful," Judge John Tunheim, who served on the board, told the Washington Examiner in an interview. "Anything that we saw that was information itself about the assassination or about any of the key players such as Lee Harvey Oswald was released, regardless of whether an agency wanted us to protect it or not."

The ARRB was created by an act of Congress in 1992, largely in reaction to the conspiracy theories revived by Oliver Stone's movie "JFK," which was released in 1991.

With a staff of about 30 document reviewers, the five-person board systematically reviewed millions of pages of documents related to the JFK assassination from 1994 to 1998, and released most of them, an estimated 5 million pages.

The National Archives estimates 88 percent of the total documents were publicly available after the ARRB's work, and another 11 percent have been available since then, but were also partially redacted.

Most or all of the remaining one percent — three thousand pages that have never been seen at all, along with 34,000 that were redacted by the ARRB — will be made public this Thursday, which has historians, conspiracy theorists, and newshounds alike playing a guessing game of what might be so special as to remain unreleased.

But Tunheim gave a sober assessment of what the documents are likely to include, even though he hasn't seen them in over 20 years.

"What we protected was largely intelligence-gathering information," Tunheim told the Washington Examiner.

"So, it might have been the name of an intelligence agent which we protected until we thought that they probably would no longer be with us. Those names have already all been released in the intervening 20 years or so. But sources and methods of intelligence gathering, details of intelligence sharing relationships with foreign governments, foreign informants, a lot of that protected information had to do with the American government's intelligence and law enforcement relationships with foreign countries – that was a particularly sensitive area, and we agreed to more redactions on that basis. That is what the information is that will hopefully be released this week."

According to the 1992 law, any documents withheld by the ARRB would be protected for 25 years, which expires this Thursday. However, the act also said the president at the time could order the documents to continue to be withheld.

Over the weekend, President Trump tweeted that he would allow for the release of all the documents, but until the deed is done, there's always the chance that there could be a presidential change of mind.

Judge Tunheim is lending his voice to the sizable number who are saying that full transparency is the only remaining option.

"I believe that it's time to release everything if for no other reason than some assurance that we can give to people who are interested in the subject that the government is no longer hiding information that relates to the Kennedy assassination," Tunheim said.

"We would have liked to have released everything, but we had a statute that we had to apply, and, you know, there were legitimate reasons in the 1990's for continuing to protect some sources and methods of intelligence gathering," Tunheim added.

"We didn't protect very much, but what we did, I think it's long overdue to release."

Professor Patrick Maney, a historian at Boston College, agrees that it will be difficult for the president to make an argument to have the documents withheld any longer.  

"My view is after this long of a time, it's hard for me to believe that any of these things would really jeopardize national security," Maney said.

As for the documents pertaining to other countries, Maney said most of those will relate to Cuba, the former Soviet Union, and also Mexico, because the CIA was keeping Oswald under surveillance during a 1963 trip to Mexico City in which he visited the Cuban embassy.

Maney believes in some cases, the CIA may have lobbied the ARRB to withhold documents that are more embarrassing than compromising.

"[The ARRB] indicated there is just a, whether you call it territorial, or there is a kind of bureaucratic imperative to withhold and conceal. And in a democracy, the imperative should be the opposite," he said. "It should be to disclose to the public." 

[Paul Trejo]

4 hours ago, Ernie Lazar said:

But we have no evidence that President LBJ "ordered" anybody at the FBI, or at the Secret Service, or military intelligence, or at the White House, or at the Department of Justice or at dozens of other agencies -- to

(1)  PURGE their record-keeping systems so that no trace of your "top secret" documents exists anywhere and

(2)  PROHIBIT every single human being who ever saw those alleged "top secret" documents (including clerical personnel) from ever mentioning their existence to someone

In a free society it is almost impossible to keep secrets -- especially for long periods of time because

(a)  there is NEVER unanimity within ANY government.  There are ALWAYS people within EVERY government agency who leak information (to journalists, to Congresspersons or just to friends/relatives/co-workers) for various reasons

(b)  our entire system is constructed to facilitate transparency because we have 3 co-equal branches of government -- each of which may have differing interpretations or interests or priorities -- and there are always policy conflicts and egos to deal with

NOTE:  Consider the Trump White House.   Almost every week there is some kind of leak about a private conversation that occurred in the Oval Office when a handful of people attended some meeting.

This is one of the characteristics of conspiratorial thinking.  Superhuman qualities are attributed to the conspirators. 

"They" are able to suppress all knowledge of their activities (or their very existence) for multiple decades. 

"They" are able to purge hundreds or thousands of records created by and disseminated by large bureaucracies . 

"They" are NOT susceptible to normal human limitations or defects.  "They" don't argue with each other.  "They" don't have personality disputes.  "They" don't have differing interpretations or different priorities....so.....instead "they" can function like a flawless well-oiled machine for multiple decades without anybody knowing.

Ernie,

What you're missing, evidently, is that the Lone Nut fiction was originally the idea of J. Edgar Hoover.

Hoover, then, convinced LBJ that the "Lone Nut" fiction was the best way to handle the political backlash surrounding the JFK assassination, and LBJ bought it.

The records were not hidden from the American Public on the basis of J. Edgar Hoover's word -- yet at the same time, LBJ was not the one who dreamed up the idea in the first place.

So -- it was very much a two-man tag-team.   Hoover thought up the JFK Cover-up Idea, and LBJ signed off on it.

As soon as LBJ signed off on it (on the very afternoon of the assassination itself) then Hoover went right to work to falsify as much JFK evidence as necessary to forge the Lone Nut fiction.

This isn't my guesswork -- I first heard about it from Professor David Wrone of Wisconsin U. (2005). 

Once LBJ signed off, however, it took on the force of US Law, at least as far as US Government workers were concerned.  They would not even release these secret JFK Records to a US Congress Committee -- the HSCA of 1977 -- despite repeated requests!

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

Edited October 25, 2017 by Paul Trejo
typos

[Ernie Lazar]

4 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:

Ernie,

What you're missing, evidently, is that the Lone Nut fiction was originally the idea of J. Edgar Hoover.

Hoover, then, convinced LBJ that the "Lone Nut" fiction was the best way to handle the political backlash surrounding the JFK assassination, and LBJ bought it.

The records were not hidden from the American Public on the basis of J. Edgar Hoover's word -- yet at the same time, LBJ was not the one who dreamed up the idea in the first place.

So -- it was very much a two-man tag-team.   Hoover thought up the JFK Cover-up Idea, and LBJ signed off on it.

As soon as LBJ signed off on it (on the very afternoon of the assassination itself) then Hoover went right to work to falsify as much JFK evidence as necessary to forge the Lone Nut fiction.

This isn't my invention -- I first heard about it from Professor David Wrone of Wisconsin U. (2005). 

Once LBJ signed off, however, it took on the force of US Law, at least as far as US Government workers were concerned.  They would not even release these secret JFK Records to a US Congress Committee -- the HSCA of 1977 -- despite repeated requests!

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

But, Paul, as I have told you many many times previously, NOBODY believed Hoover's Lone Nut Theory (according to Gallup polling over 5 decades).  So who cares what Hoover or LBJ believed?

And you STILL have not addressed HOW it is possible for ANY large bureaucracy (public or private) to totally suppress ALL knowledge of something for 5 or more decades.

Example:  Many "top secret" documents concerning our foreign policy decisions and even our war plans were released decades ago.  There are literally THOUSANDS of "Top Secret" and "Secret" and "Confidential" classified documents pertaining to the JFK assassination that were released 20-30 years ago -- including serials from Harry Dean's files and numerous serials pertaining to Minutemen, Council For Statehood, Constitution Party, Joseph Milteer, Willie Somersett, National States Rights Party, and dozens more individuals and organizations.

IF your "theory" was correct -- why not suppress or censor EVERYTHING that mentions ANY potential link between radical right organizations and the assassination??

[Jason Ward]

6 hours ago, Paul Trejo said:

originally the idea of J. Edgar Hoover.

Paul,

In my view perhaps the best way to understand J Edgar Hoover's role is by reading the communications of J Edgar Hoover.  They are voluminous.    

Most CTers pick and choose their favorite person or keyword and extract the evidence they want, without regard for the holistic view of Hoover's evident thought processes.   IMO you have to read the FBI communications from start to finish, in order.  Otherwise one's own biases are creeping in to the evidence observed if you start picking out keywords, very specific dates, locations, and so forth.   I say the bare minimum timeframe is a week - this is way too low, but by at least looking at 7 straight days of Hoover's communications, you get an insight into what was important, less important, a worry, an obsession, etc., at least for that week.

Once you look at FBI communications in consecutive order, in entirety, for a defined time period, a truer view of Hoover's objectives become clear, at least insofar as primary source evidence allows.   

If you read the the FBI internal communication traffic from mid November 1963, through the assassination, and immediately thereafter, the Radical Right is overhwhelmingly the boiling hot threat on Hoover's mind.  

The CPUSA is almost shut out of view during this critical period.  On d-day and for about the first 72 hours of organized panic thereafter, the FBI is laser focused on one topic and one topic alone - finding the known right wing extremists and documenting their whereabouts.  Hoover demands this.  Dozens of FBI field offices act on their own initiatve and after JFK is shot start an emergency program of forcing the vast network of Confidential Informants to 1. report immediately, and 2. report immediately on the local Radical Right.  From the Carolinas across to Texas this is largely a 3 pronged flash intelliegence drive against the KKK, John Birch Society, and the Minuteman.  In 100s of places the membership of these 3 groups overlap substantially.  Field offices start reporting to Hoover where their local right wingers were, what the CIs had heard about the right wingers, and who is unaccountable.

 

SUDDENLY

 

This stops.

 

Suddenly, the Oswald lone nut narrative is officially dogmatized across the FBI.   Suddenly, the Right Wing probe is cancelled, and what precious little there is about Oswald (almost nothing really, in view of 10000+ confidential paid informants around the world) becomes the enforced topic of the teletypes, airtels, registered letters, etc., between Hoover and the field.

...and again by reading consecutive communications, in order, from start to finish in a given time frame, the essential character of a large government beuraucracy is revealed when certain FBI field offices apparently didn't get the memo and still report on Walker and the Radical Right beyond Hoover's cut-off order - Hoover quickly rebukes them for not reading his earlier instructions to drop the Right and concentrate on Oswald.  

Below my signature is an example of FBI communications after the assassination.  These are just two of several hundred along these same lines that reveal on 22 November the FBI put out an emergency call to all CIs.  The order was: find the Right Wing extremists and tell us who among them was in Dallas.  The FBI doesn't suspect the commies, Oswald, the Cubans, the CIA, Bell Helicopter, nor the mafia - they are after the Radical Right.  Basically everyone I can see a record of in the FBI at this time instinctively pursues first and foremost the Right.  If you are correct about Walker and the Radical Right, these first gut feeling reactions of FBI SACs and residencies in the assassination aftermath may be the most important clues.  

This shows us where street level FBI agents assumed the assassination originated: 

 

Jason

 

 

 

Edited October 26, 2017 by Jason Ward

[George Sawtelle]

Paul

It can be successfully argued, IMO, that the idea of the Lone Nut theory was not started by Hoover. Consider the following,

22 Nov 1963 Hoover signs FBI internal memo indicating Oswald is the assassin of Pres Kennedy. No mention of confederates ... leaves the door open for conspiracy. (Mary Farrell Foundation)

23 Nov 1963 late night beginning of first briefing board job by Brugioni. IMO, the beginning of the alteration of the Zapruder Film at the NPIC. Alteration promotes one gunman shooting from the TSBD, all shots from behind the president. (Discovered by Paul Hoch, Mar 1976, from desclassified CIA documents)

24 Nov 1963 After conversing with Katzenbach, Hoover writes letter to Attorney General telling him Oswald is the assassin. No mention of confederates ... leaves the door open for conspiracy.

25 Nov 1963 Katzenbach writes memo for circulation. Says Oswald was the lone assassin and had no confederates, no co-conspirators. Shuts the door on conspiracy.

Hoover is the originator of Oswald as the lone gunman but Katzenbach is the originator of the lone nut theory, the theory that Oswald acted alone without help.

I thought it would be interesting to note that the original Zapruder Film (as per Brugioni) was at the NPIC, the CIA photographic lab, before anyone outside of the FBI circulated information, officially, that Oswald was the lone gunman. An internal memo of 22 Nov 1963 doesn't make the rounds in government circles so the CIA would not have info by Hoover on Oswald. So the CIA was already beginning to alter the Zapruder Film to promote a lone gunman before they could have known Hoover's thoughts on Oswald.

 

[Paul Trejo]

On ‎10‎/‎25‎/‎2017 at 2:00 PM, Ernie Lazar said:

But, Paul, as I have told you many many times previously, NOBODY believed Hoover's Lone Nut Theory (according to Gallup polling over 5 decades).  So who cares what Hoover or LBJ believed?

And you STILL have not addressed HOW it is possible for ANY large bureaucracy (public or private) to totally suppress ALL knowledge of something for 5 or more decades.

...IF your "theory" was correct -- why not suppress or censor EVERYTHING that mentions ANY potential link between radical right organizations and the assassination??

Ernie,

In 1963-1964, it mattered a great deal what J. Edgar Hoover and LBJ believed.   A great deal.

I will repeat AGAIN -- when a US President places a ban on data -- it stays banned until another US President lifts the ban.

The US President in 1963 (LBJ) placed a ban on Facts linking the Dallas Radical Right with the JFK assassination -- on the advice of J. Edgar Hoover.   Other high officials in the US Government agreed (e.g. US Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren and former CIA Director Allen Dulles).

Based on cooperation at that EXTREMELY HIGH level of US Government oversight, it started an INERTIA.  That INERTIA kept rolling long after the Warren Commission closed its doors in 1964.

Even in 1979, when the House Select Committee on Assassination demanded the JFK Records -- they were unable to obtain them.

So -- that is exactly how this large public bureaucracy -- specifically the US Government -- was able to totally suppress all JFK Records related to the actual JFK Kill Team (in my theory, the Dallas Radical Right).

When you have a US President making the call, with the US Supreme Court behind him -- and the reason is National Security -- then you can be confident that the US Government will keep that secret for 75 years, or 55 years, or whatever subsequent US Presidents decide.

Thank GOODNESS that US President GWH Bush signed the JFK Records Act in 1992, so that TODAY (Thu26oct2017) all of the JFK Records will be released, fully and finally.

Now -- it may take many months for scholars to sift through them -- or maybe only weeks -- or maybe only days -- depending on what they find.   Yet I maintain -- THE TRUTH WILL OUT! 

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

Edited October 26, 2017 by Paul Trejo

[Paul Trejo]

19 hours ago, Jason Ward said:

Paul,

In my view perhaps the best way to understand J Edgar Hoover's role is by reading the communications of J Edgar Hoover.  They are voluminous.    

Most CTers pick and choose their favorite person or keyword and extract the evidence they want, without regard for the holistic view of Hoover's evident thought processes.   IMO you have to read the FBI communications from start to finish, in order.  Otherwise one's own biases are creeping in to the evidence observed if you start picking out keywords, very specific dates, locations, and so forth.   I say the bare minimum timeframe is a week - this is way too low, but by at least looking at 7 straight days of Hoover's communications, you get an insight into what was important, less important, a worry, an obsession, etc., at least for that week.

Once you look at FBI communications in consecutive order, in entirety, for a defined time period, a truer view of Hoover's objectives become clear, at least insofar as primary source evidence allows.   

If you read the the FBI internal communication traffic from mid November 1963, through the assassination, and immediately thereafter, the Radical Right is overhwhelmingly the boiling hot threat on Hoover's mind.  

The CPUSA is almost shut out of view during this critical period.  On d-day and for about the first 72 hours of organized panic thereafter, the FBI is laser focused on one topic and one topic alone - finding the known right wing extremists and documenting their whereabouts.  Hoover demands this.  Dozens of FBI field offices act on their own initiatve and after JFK is shot start an emergency program of forcing the vast network of Confidential Informants to 1. report immediately, and 2. report immediately on the local Radical Right.  From the Carolinas across to Texas this is largely a 3 pronged flash intelliegence drive against the KKK, John Birch Society, and the Minuteman.  In 100s of places the membership of these 3 groups overlap substantially.  Field offices start reporting to Hoover where their local right wingers were, what the CIs had heard about the right wingers, and who is unaccountable.

SUDDENLY

This stops.

Suddenly, the Oswald lone nut narrative is officially dogmatized across the FBI.   Suddenly, the Right Wing probe is cancelled, and what precious little there is about Oswald (almost nothing really, in view of 10000+ confidential paid informants around the world) becomes the enforced topic of the teletypes, airtels, registered letters, etc., between Hoover and the field.

...and again by reading consecutive communications, in order, from start to finish in a given time frame, the essential character of a large government beuraucracy is revealed when certain FBI field offices apparently didn't get the memo and still report on Walker and the Radical Right beyond Hoover's cut-off order - Hoover quickly rebukes them for not reading his earlier instructions to drop the Right and concentrate on Oswald.  

Below my signature is an example of FBI communications after the assassination.  These are just two of several hundred along these same lines that reveal on 22 November the FBI put out an emergency call to all CIs.  The order was: find the Right Wing extremists and tell us who among them was in Dallas.  The FBI doesn't suspect the commies, Oswald, the Cubans, the CIA, Bell Helicopter, nor the mafia - they are after the Radical Right.  Basically, everyone I can see a record of, in the FBI at this time, instinctively pursues first and foremost the Right.  If you are correct about Walker and the Radical Right, these first gut feeling reactions of FBI SACs and residencies in the assassination aftermath may be the most important clues.  

Jason

<snip>

Jason,

The following is my opinion.

Your observations here are nothing short of brilliant.  I sincerely wish somebody had come forward with these sorts of insights in the past five years of my struggles on this Forum -- but that was not to be. 

You suggest that the JFK assassination can only be resolved by reading all of J. Edgar Hoover's 11/1963 files in order.   I agree 100%

Those few that I have read from 11/22/1963 have showed that J. Edgar Hoover knew that Lee Harvey Oswald was not a Communist or FPCC officer by 3pm CST, yet he also chose to blame Oswald and him alone (for up to 75 years if necessary) for National Security purposes.

Insofar as Hoover was tracking the Radical Right in the USA for most of 1963, it is indeed suspicious that this effort stops abruptly with the JFK assassination.

This is also how I read the account of Dallas FBI agent James Hosty (Assignment Oswald, 1996).

Yet please keep digging, Jason.  You have certainly found important clues to the JFK murder by finding the "first gut-feelings" of FBI agents.  Yet my intuition tells me that there is a Walker-did-it smoking gun in that final batch of JFK Records that the US Government released today.

Best regards,
--Paul Trejo

Edited October 26, 2017 by Paul Trejo
typos

[Ernie Lazar]

1 hour ago, Paul Trejo said:

Ernie,

In 1963-1964, it mattered a great deal what J. Edgar Hoover and LBJ believed.   A great deal.

I will repeat AGAIN -- when a US President places a ban on data -- it stays banned until another US President lifts the ban.

The US President in 1963 (LBJ) placed a ban on Facts linking the Dallas Radical Right with the JFK assassination -- on the advice of J. Edgar Hoover.   Other high officials in the US Government agreed (e.g. US Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren and former CIA Director Allen Dulles).

Based on cooperation at that EXTREMELY HIGH level of US Government oversight, it started an INERTIA.  That INERTIA kept rolling long after the Warren Commission closed its doors in 1964.

Even in 1979, when the House Select Committee on Assassination demanded the JFK Records -- they were unable to obtain them.

So -- that is exactly how this large public bureaucracy -- specifically the US Government -- was able to totally suppress all JFK Records related to the actual JFK Kill Team (in my theory, the Dallas Radical Right).

When you have a US President making the call, with the US Supreme Court behind him -- and the reason is National Security -- then you can be confident that the US Government will keep that secret for 75 years, or 55 years, or whatever subsequent US Presidents decide.

Thank GOODNESS that US President GWH Bush signed the JFK Records Act in 1992, so that TODAY (Thu26oct2017) all of the JFK Records will be released, fully and finally.

Now -- it may take many months for scholars to sift through them -- or maybe only weeks -- or maybe only days -- depending on what they find.   Yet I maintain -- THE TRUTH WILL OUT! 

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

But, Paul, there is no evidence to support your contention that it mattered what LBJ and Hoover believed -- which is why you never quote any evidence to support your assertion.   

Here is what the Gallup Poll found:  http://news.gallup.com/poll/165893/majority-believe-jfk-killed-conspiracy.aspx

"Americans were skeptical about the 'lone gunman' theory almost immediately after Kennedy was killed. In a poll conducted Nov. 22-27, 1963, Gallup found that 29% of Americans believed one man was responsible for the shooting and 52% believed others were involved in a conspiracy. A majority of Americans have maintained that 'others were involved' in the shooting each time Gallup has asked this question over the past 50 years, except December 1966, when exactly half of Americans said someone in addition to Oswald was responsible."

 

[Ernie Lazar]

The most recent poll is as follows:

 

According to a new FiveThirtyEight-commissioned SurveyMonkey poll of 5,130 adults, conducted Oct. 17 to Oct. 20, 2017, only 33 percent of Americans believe that one man was responsible for the assassination. A majority, 61 percent, think that others were involved in a conspiracy. In pretty much every demographic, most respondents believed that Oswald didn’t act alone.

Most people believe JFK wasn’t killed by Oswald alone

Respondents’ beliefs about President John F. Kennedy’s death, according to a poll conducted Oct. 17-20, 2017

GROUP	ONE MAN KILLED JFK	OTHERS WERE INVOLVED
Overall	33%	61%
Male	33	62
Female	32	60
White	38	56
Hispanic	22	72
Black	19	76
College graduate	42	52
No college degree	29	65
White college graduate	48	46
White without a college degree	33	60
Registered voter	35	61
Not registered	25	69
18-34	35	60
35-64	31	62
65 and older	32	60
Republican	36	60
Democrat	36	61
Independent, no lean	24	70
Voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016	38	59
Voted for Donald Trump in 2016	35	61

SOURCE: SURVEYMONKEY

A majority of men, women, white people, people of color, registered voters, non-registered voters, old people, young people, Democrats, Republicans and so on all believe that more than one person was involved in Kennedy’s assassination. This is one of the few questions in this polarized age on which you can even find agreement among Hillary Clinton voters (59 percent believe in a conspiracy) and Trump voters (61 percent).

[Jason Ward]

5 hours ago, Paul Trejo said:

Jason,

The following is my opinion.

Your observations here are nothing short of brilliant.  I sincerely wish somebody had come forward with these sorts of insights in the past five years of my struggles on this Forum -- but that was not to be. 

You suggest that the JFK assassination can only be resolved by reading all of J. Edgar Hoover's 11/1963 files in order.   I agree 100%

Those few that I have read from 11/22/1963 have showed that J. Edgar Hoover knew that Lee Harvey Oswald was not a Communist or FPCC officer by 3pm CST, yet he also chose to blame Oswald and him alone (for up to 75 years if necessary) for National Security purposes.

Insofar as Hoover was tracking the Radical Right in the USA for most of 1963, it is indeed suspicious that this effort stops abruptly with the JFK assassination.

This is also how I read the account of Dallas FBI agent James Hosty (Assignment Oswald, 1996).

Yet please keep digging, Jason.  You have certainly found important clues to the JFK murder by finding the "first gut-feelings" of FBI agents.  Yet my intuition tells me that there is a Walker-did-it smoking gun in that final batch of JFK Records that the US Government released today.

Best regards,
--Paul Trejo

 

Hi Paul,

This is kind of abrupt, but you've seen me bring up evidence without much introduction or analysis before; so....

I think Hemming, Hall, etc., are merely profiteering adventurers who hope to cash in on the CIA's tsunami windfall of dollars spent in Miami to topple Castro.    I doubt they have much insight into JFK, and I know for a fact the CIA would never in a million years hire these guys directly to do anything because they were reputably incompetent wanna-be soldiers of fortune.  They were routinely treated as leachers, posers, scum, by both the FBI and CIA.  They did, however, almost certainly manage to capture some second- and third- hand CIA cash in the way Ferrie and 100s of Cuban exiles did during the early 60s.

Apart from my own cynicism towards the relevance of these characters, I've seen you write that you think Hall and Hemming may have at been involved in the assassination in at least a minor way.  So I attach these documents below, only because I know this topic is of some interest.  These were released today and may serve as a hint of what's in the .zip files in terms of newly revealed info.   I admit I've always been suspicious of Loran Hall's odyssey across the southern US in 63, complete with a pit stop in Dallas calling on all the usual Right-Wingers.  I admit these guys may have at least heard something, they were certainly in some interesting circles...

Lester Logue, the John Birch Society, the DPD...if you're Radical Right theory is correct, these guys are right on the cusp of it all, at the right time...

Jason

 

 

Edited October 27, 2017 by Jason Ward

[Jason Ward]

Oswald becomes something of a toxic patsy tossed around bickering circles of the Radical Right.

How much verifiable connection did LHO have with the Radical Right?

 

[Jason Ward]

I feel compelled to throw a bone to the evidence-starved CIA-is-omnipotent theorists; apologies to Paul Trejo for feeding the hysteria.