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Toronto Film Review: ‘Chappaquiddick’


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I am going to contact my friend, retired NYPD Detective James Rothstein, to get his reaction to this article. He investigated this incident and at one time told me that he reached a conclusion different from that presented in this documentary.

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Is this a "made for TV" production?

Because if it is supposed to be distributed into the movie theater venue it will end up in "Parkland" bombsville.

No people younger than us Baby Boomers care about stories like this anymore.

From the review this film seems to have that same "demean the Kennedy image " feel and agenda to it.

It will be interesting to read what your friend Rothstein has to say about the incident verses the film script.

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If this was supposed to be a critique of the film, Chappaquiddick, what was this statement of 'fact' doing in it?   "The Kennedys lived outside the law; the one instance in American history of an illegally stolen presidential election was the election of John F. Kennedy in 1960. He in all likelihood lost the race to Richard Nixon, but his father tried to steal the election for him by manipulating the vote tallies in (among other places) Illinois"

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Not only that, but how could Mary Jo have survived in an "air pocket"  is three of the four windows were either blown out or already down when the car sank?

But really Doug, what does this have to do the with JFK case?  

Over half the threads on page one are posted by you and about half of them have only a tenuous relationship with the JFK case.  This one being the worst.

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1969. Nixon in the White House. JFK handled. Bobby handled.

One Kennedy left.

"Ratf***ing" taken to the ultimate. 

My theory of Chappaquiddick is that Ted Kennedy probably wasn't in the car when it hit the water. BUT...where he really was is even more damning than "admitting" that he was drunk out of his gourd and committed manslaughter when he caused the death of a young woman.

Not sure where he could've been...but it had to be even more incriminating than the "official" story.

In my theory, Chappaquiddick convinced a certain politician that his thugs were invincible. And that false confidence is what caused his career to come crashing down.

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3 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Not only that, but how could Mary Jo have survived in an "air pocket"  is three of the four windows were either blown out or already down when the car sank?

But really Doug, what does this have to do the with JFK case?  

Over half the threads on page one are posted by you and about half of them have only a tenuous relationship with the JFK case.  This one being the worst.

So Jim wants to censor my posts, renewing his past efforts here to do so. If two other members reply and agree with his statement that "Over half of the threads on page one are posted by you and about half of them have only a tenuous relationship with the JFK case. This one being the worst", I shall immediately cease posting more than one each day, no matter how significant and relevant these may be.

The reason I posted so many today is that I live in Houston and in the aftermath of Hurricane Harvey I lost my AT&T land line and Internet for four days and only got these back a day ago. So I found a backlog of articles that I thought merited being posted.

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Doug:

If you recall, I actually defended you when others were attacking you personally.  How soon they forget!

All I am saying is this: You will not see me post anything that does not relate to the JFK case here.  That is a rule I think everyone should obey.  No matter who it is--you, Larry Hancock, Chris Newton, Joe Bauer, and myself.

What is wrong with obeying that rule?

I personally do not see a relationship between Mary Jo, the accident on the bridge, and the JFK case.  To do so, one has to extrapolate a long and involved years ongoing conspiracy plot worthy of the Gemstone File.

That is not what I am about.  And I hope its not what this site is about.  So please do not make this personal.  Its not about you, its about maintaining standards. I could just as soon accuse you of thinking you are above the rules.  But I don't think that would be fair to you.  

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I believe I understand what Jim D is saying.

This highest regarded JFK assassination forum has achieved it's standing through a deep and thorough hard evidence research foundation built by some of the most credentialed researchers in the land.

Jim D is one of these foundation builders and his sense of what constitutes too much veering and dissipation from that tenet and focus and his statement of concern in this regards to protect the forum's integrity is worthy of respectful consideration.

Although I feel a little embarrassment in sensing Jim D. mentioned my name specifically in his above request to members to stay more on track of the forums basic foundation context, I consider his message as reasonable and important with no personal slight taken on my part.

It seems to me that there is much more posting activity on the forum now versus when John Simpkin pulled away and the forum itself was seriously in jeopardy of being ended.

In this influx are new members like myself ( but speaking only of me ) who, although as passionate in seeking the same JFK assassination truth Mr. D has been seeking most of adult life may be posting more personal anecdotal and less hard research focused messages.  

On my part, I know this to be true.  

However, regards Doug Caddy, I feel a high respect not just for his unique insider place in such an important part of our political history, but also for what he is contributing in so many areas of deep state truth seeking ( including JFK ) in every media venue that will allow him to do so.

I look for every broadcast he is engaged in such as "Coast To Coast AM" and his internet sharings as well.

He reminds me of Mae Magnin Brussell in his dogged and hugely committed effort to look at and bring to light all aspects of deep state government doings that could perhaps threaten our Democracy, along with singular ones, which Brussell often stated was so important as they were mostly all related and only through connecting together as many of these purposely scattered and hidden puzzle pieces would we ever come close to truly informed knowing and understanding the whole picture truth.

 

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On ‎9‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 11:54 AM, Joe Bauer said:

Is this a "made for TV" production?

Because if it is supposed to be distributed into the movie theater venue it will end up in "Parkland" bombsville.

No people younger than us Baby Boomers care about stories like this anymore.

From the review this film seems to have that same "demean the Kennedy image " feel and agenda to it.

It will be interesting to read what your friend Rothstein has to say about the incident verses the film script.

 

Joe: You observed that “It will be interesting to read what your friend Rothstein has to say about the incident verses the film script.”

I spoke with retired NYPD Detective James Rothstein yesterday upon his return from a fishing trip to one of Minnesota’s lakes near where he lives and serves as a mayor of small town.

He told me that in 1978 he was invited to attend a three part event in Washington, D.C. He was accompanied by his NYPD colleague, Detective Matthew Rosenthal.

Part one of the two day event:

Upon arrival in Washington, he was met by Washington, D.C. Metropolitan Police Detective Carl Shoffler, whom you may remember was the officer that arrested the Watergate burglars (and who subsequently targeted me in that case.) Rothstein and Shoffler had worked together previously in investigating criminal activities. In essence they were counterparts to each other in different cities in the scope of their assignments and responsibilities.

Shoffler drove Rothstein and Rosenthal in an old station wagon to a non-descript (safe)house in Maryland. When they knocked on the door a woman wearing a maid’s uniform opened it and then led them to the basement, which was a well adorned conference room. A meeting ensued that was attended by 13 key persons from around the country, each representing the police department for which they worked.

A number of topics were discussed. A police representative from the Boston area made a presentation on the Chappaquiddick incident that occurred in 1969, nine years previously. He stated that the victim, Mary Jo Kopechne, was dead before the vehicle was driven into the water. Her lungs contained no water. He disclosed that Senator Ted Kennedy was also a victim, having been set up by an unknown party by drinking liquor that likely contained some sort of drug. Kennedy managed to escape from the vehicle in the water. It was not clear whether Kennedy was intended also to be a victim who died in the accident or whether the incident was staged to compromise permanently his political career and influence. The Kopechne family received one million dollars in a compensatory settlement for the loss of their daughter.

Had it been disclosed publicly at the time of the incident that Mary Jo was already dead before the vehicle entered the water, the case would have taken a different turn, one that definitely had vast negative implications for Kennedy, who was victim of a setup.

Detective Rothstein told me that he received verification subsequent to the meeting in the basement conference room: “It was also told to me by Mark Monsky a reporter who was there at the scene.”

It should be remembered that Senator Kennedy in 1964 was nearly killed in a plane accident. Here is a link to that incident.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=8271369

Six years ago I posted in the forum the following topic:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/17723-kennedy-family-deaths-linked-to-sidereal-time/

The question thus arises whether Senator Kennedy in 1964 and in 1969 was intended to be killed as part of the “Kennedy Curse” and if so was his death also to be linked to sidereal time? Unfortunately, at this late date it would be difficult to reach a precise determination about this.

So now an anti-Ted Kennedy docudrama, “Chappaquiddick,” has been produced and is being promoted that does not tell the real story of what occurred.

This is why it is important to describe here what really happened in 1969 despite Jim Eugenio’s attempt to censor me by his terming my posting of this thread as “the worst.”

Part two of the two-day event:

The next morning those who attended the meeting in the basement conference room were taken to a U.S. Navy base near Washington. The meeting there was attended by several dozen persons, among these being Robert Blakey. The purpose of the meeting was to chart the defeat of President Jimmy Carter who was facing reelection in 1980. The animus against Carter stemmed from his campaign being secretly financed without his knowledge by the two most prominent producers of pornography in the country.

Part three of the two-day event:

That afternoon the group of 13 police officers was taken to the Hotel L’Enfant Plaza in Washington, D.C. The hotel manager met them in the lobby and escorted then to a large meeting room in which tables and chairs were set up. The group of 13 was seated in the middle of the room. Once this occurred sundry members of the U.S. Senate and House of Representative seated themselves at various tables. Liquor was served. The purpose of the occasion was to acquaint these elected officials with those who comprised the group of 13, each of whom played a key role in police intelligence operations in large cities around the nation. None of the 13 officers was called upon to speak to the gathering.

 

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Rothstein and Rosenthal were assigned to the Vice Squad the covered Times Square. In NYPD this is considered the choice assignment because it opens up everything and anything to be investigated. To select just one of their many assignments: the widely publicized kidnapping of Sammy Bronfman, the son of Edgar Bronfman. Rothstein and Rosenthal discovered that Sammy had staged his own kidnapping as he wanted one million dollars in ransom money to open up a gay dance bar, a project that his father had turned down because he did not want it known that he had a gay son. Rothstein and Rosenthal were approached by the father's emissary who opened up two suitcases, each of which contained one million dollars in cash for the two detectives if they would walk away from their investigation. They turned down the offer and escorted the emissary out the door.

There is a book titled "Times Square," that covers their sundry activities.

Because of their willingness to tread where others in NYPD would not go, the Governor appointed them to the New York State Commission on Crime. The Governor sent notice of their appointment to the Mayor of New York City who in turn passed the notice to the Chief of Police. This caused great consternation within NYPD. Thus, the two were not only NYPD detectives but were also detectives for the State Commission. This is among the many reasons they were invited to the 1978 Washington event.

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On 9/15/2017 at 4:00 PM, Joe Bauer said:

This highest regarded JFK assassination forum has achieved it's standing through a deep and thorough hard evidence research foundation built by some of the most credentialed researchers in the land.

Uh, really Joe?  You actually think that about this forum?  You must not read all of the threads on here.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I do agree with what Jim D says about this post. It's got nothing to do with the JFK murder which is why I come here.

But I will say this too.  John Kennedy had a lot of potential to do good for the country and I think his death began the long nightmare for this country that has led up to the political mess we're in today. At the same time, it's important to remember that the Kennedys were no saints. In a JFK book review, a commenter said it best:

Those of us who look upon the Kennedy brothers as heroes, and for whom the impact of their deaths created emotional wounds which will never completely heal, are acutely sensitive to and on-guard against character assassination and tabloid accusations which over many years and periodic revivals seem designed to diminish the memory of their lives so that the significance of their deaths may be devalued. Having to confront certain issues which are present in the story being examined has been ugly and difficult for me, and — maybe it’s helped me grow up a little. Maybe it has forced me to venture outside of my comfort zone, maybe it’s a good thing to be able to at least look at things we would not choose to be true whether they are true or not, maybe we are better off if we have the courage and willingness to admit that knowledge is indifferent to what we want to be true.
 

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Michael, when I first discovered this forum Mark Lane himself was posting here.

Many other famous research writers of the JFK event as well. 

I could read every JFK assassination book and news and opinion articles known and see every well known interview and conference videos there are on this subject, but this forum is by far the most compelling and comprehensive comparative analysis and debate one regards all those books, articles, interviews and the entire history and body of JFK assassination research.

Is there any other internet site you go to Michael that satisfies your JFK assassination research debate and analysis interests more than this one?

And where you can debate one-on-one with the heaviest hitting researchers of this realm?

This is the best we have.

It needs to be acknowledged and cared for.

 

 

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On 9/17/2017 at 12:56 PM, Douglas Caddy said:

 

Joe: You observed that “It will be interesting to read what your friend Rothstein has to say about the incident verses the film script.”

I spoke with retired NYPD Detective James Rothstein yesterday upon his return from a fishing trip to one of Minnesota’s lakes near where he lives and serves as a mayor of small town.

He told me that in 1978 he was invited to attend a three part event in Washington, D.C. He was accompanied by his NYPD colleague, Detective Matthew Rosenthal.

Part one of the two day event:

Upon arrival in Washington, he was met by Washington, D.C. Metropolitan Police Detective Carl Shoffler, whom you may remember was the officer that arrested the Watergate burglars (and who subsequently targeted me in that case.) Rothstein and Shoffler had worked together previously in investigating criminal activities. In essence they were counterparts to each other in different cities in the scope of their assignments and responsibilities.

Shoffler drove Rothstein and Rosenthal in an old station wagon to a non-descript (safe)house in Maryland. When they knocked on the door a woman wearing a maid’s uniform opened it and then led them to the basement, which was a well adorned conference room. A meeting ensued that was attended by 13 key persons from around the country, each representing the police department for which they worked.

A number of topics were discussed. A police representative from the Boston area made a presentation on the Chappaquiddick incident that occurred in 1969, nine years previously. He stated that the victim, Mary Jo Kopechne, was dead before the vehicle was driven into the water. Her lungs contained no water. He disclosed that Senator Ted Kennedy was also a victim, having been set up by an unknown party by drinking liquor that likely contained some sort of drug. Kennedy managed to escape from the vehicle in the water. It was not clear whether Kennedy was intended also to be a victim who died in the accident or whether the incident was staged to compromise permanently his political career and influence. The Kopechne family received one million dollars in a compensatory settlement for the loss of their daughter.

Had it been disclosed publicly at the time of the incident that Mary Jo was already dead before the vehicle entered the water, the case would have taken a different turn, one that definitely had vast negative implications for Kennedy, who was victim of a setup.

Detective Rothstein told me that he received verification subsequent to the meeting in the basement conference room: “It was also told to me by Mark Monsky a reporter who was there at the scene.”

It should be remembered that Senator Kennedy in 1964 was nearly killed in a plane accident. Here is a link to that incident.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=8271369

Six years ago I posted in the forum the following topic:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/17723-kennedy-family-deaths-linked-to-sidereal-time/

The question thus arises whether Senator Kennedy in 1964 and in 1969 was intended to be killed as part of the “Kennedy Curse” and if so was his death also to be linked to sidereal time? Unfortunately, at this late date it would be difficult to reach a precise determination about this.

So now an anti-Ted Kennedy docudrama, “Chappaquiddick,” has been produced and is being promoted that does not tell the real story of what occurred.

This is why it is important to describe here what really happened in 1969 despite Jim Eugenio’s attempt to censor me by his terming my posting of this thread as “the worst.”

Part two of the two-day event:

The next morning those who attended the meeting in the basement conference room were taken to a U.S. Navy base near Washington. The meeting there was attended by several dozen persons, among these being Robert Blakey. The purpose of the meeting was to chart the defeat of President Jimmy Carter who was facing reelection in 1980. The animus against Carter stemmed from his campaign being secretly financed without his knowledge by the two most prominent producers of pornography in the country.

Part three of the two-day event:

That afternoon the group of 13 police officers was taken to the Hotel L’Enfant Plaza in Washington, D.C. The hotel manager met them in the lobby and escorted then to a large meeting room in which tables and chairs were set up. The group of 13 was seated in the middle of the room. Once this occurred sundry members of the U.S. Senate and House of Representative seated themselves at various tables. Liquor was served. The purpose of the occasion was to acquaint these elected officials with those who comprised the group of 13, each of whom played a key role in police intelligence operations in large cities around the nation. None of the 13 officers was called upon to speak to the gathering.

 

Thank you Doug.

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