Douglas Caddy Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) The very moment the world was changed forever! Edited November 27, 2017 by Douglas Caddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Mr. Caddy, this is the clearest shot I've ever seen of one of the most important seconds in History. I wish I could see it larger. Clicking on it doesn't do that. Jackie Looking left, distracted? It's a hard left, looking to her left rear. She seems focused on something, an intentional distraction? I know, CT. Connally looks alerted, heard a shot? No pain seen in the face yet, just before he is hit. Wife Nellie looks alerted too, perked up a bit. The shoulders of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy's coat seem raised like he might be lifting his arms. The Zapruder film shows his elbows raising, hands going to his throat from the front side. This is the split second as he is hit in the throat then instantly in the back after the shot (picture). I Pray that some of JFK's hope is left for my grandchildren, that everything wasn't lost that horrible day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Santos Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) Could we get more info on this picture? Who took it, how did you get it, who did the digitizing and cleaning of the image, is it cropped, etc. Thanks, very interesting. Are there more coming? Edited November 27, 2017 by Cory Santos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) Cory, et al..... The picture in question was taken by bystander Robert Croft. It equates to approximately Zapruder frame #161. I've got a full-sized version of the photo on my Kennedy Gallery website, here.... http://kennedy-photos.blogspot.com/2012/06/kennedy-gallery-035.html Edited November 27, 2017 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) Here's a direct link to the largest version I have of the Croft photo (click it again after the picture loads).... http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6kYzhJGqq2M/RyxiSHwgMZI/AAAAAAAAAD0/w3b1lrO3KIE/s1600/15c.%2BCroft%2BPhoto%2BShowing%2BJFK's%2BCar%2BOn%2BElm%2BStreet.jpg Edited November 27, 2017 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 David: Thanks for your clarification of this photograph that can be found in your incredible and apparently inexhaustible depository of JFK assassination materials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Neither JFK or Connally are hit yet. I assume Jackie and Connally are reacting to the first missed shot? Both seem to be distracted from their crowd waving and smiling demeanor and interest. JFK's coat is clearly pulled/bunched up behind his neck. I also wondered the speed of the limo when this picture was taken. Hard to tell. But didn't the limo slow down noticeably during it's 90% turns onto Houston and again onto Elm? Wish it was possible to get a close and clear enough visual on the upper inside front windshield frame of the limo to see if that quarter size bullet hole looking indentation was there or not there at that time. One thing we can all be sure of regarding the over-all contemplation of the guilty parties in the assassination is that John Connally certainly didn't have foreknowledge of it. He would never had allowed his wife and himself to ride in JFK's limo that day if he had. If LBJ did have foreknowledge, then he also knew John Connally and his wife Nellie could be wounded or even killed in the attack. Now THERE'S a sinister thought. Could LBJ be that ruthless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Doyle Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said: If LBJ did have foreknowledge, then he also knew John Connally and his wife Nellie could be wounded or even killed in the attack. Now THERE'S a sinister thought. Could LBJ be that ruthless? Joe, Before the parade, Kennedy and Johnson had a big argument about who was going to ride in the limo with the President. Johnson wanted liberal Senator Ralph Yarborough and JFK wanted Governor Connally. Apparently their argument was so loud that it could be overheard in the next room. And as they say, the rest is history. What I find interesting in the Croft photo, besides the decent resolution, is that most of the JFK well-wishers on the sidewalk are African American....and what does that say about JFK and the Civil Rights Movement at the time?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 10 minutes ago, Dan Doyle said: Joe, Before the parade, Kennedy and Johnson had a big argument about who was going to ride in the limo with the President. Johnson wanted liberal Senator Ralph Yarborough and JFK wanted Governor Connally. Apparently their argument was so loud that it could be overheard in the next room. And as they say, the rest is history. What I find interesting in the Croft photo, besides the decent resolution, is that most of the JFK well-wishers on the sidewalk are African American....and what does that say about JFK and the Civil Rights Movement at the time?? Maybe LBJ did try to get his protege and his wife out of JFK'S car ahead of time. But if LBJ knew what was about to happen to the presidential limo ( with Connally and his wife inside ) in Dealey Plaza, He must have been having nervous stomach churning sweats in the minutes and seconds leading up to the attack. Are there any accounts of LBJ and Lady Bird asking about Connally or maybe even consoling his wife Nellie while they were at the Parkland hospital? How about while LBJ and his wife were on the plane at any time? LBJ was reportedly quite close to Connally. The African Americans shown in the Dallas motorcade films and photos seemed excidedly happy to see JFK and Jackie. Hardly an unsmiling face and no hard frowns such as some others in the crowd exhibited. That often shown Joseph Milteer look-alike photo shows a man with a facial expression of deep hate while he is looking at JFK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Santos Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Thanks for the info, I will check out your gallery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 2 hours ago, Joe Bauer said: I also wondered the speed of the limo when this picture was taken. Hard to tell. But didn't the limo slow down noticeably during it's 90% turns onto Houston and again onto Elm? WC CE884 - Frame 161= 2.24mph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Walton Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 DVP thanks for the high res photo link. Doug Caddy thanks for posting. I agree 100% with you about this being a world changing event. I actually said the exact same thing to my kids recently (ages 27 and 23). Crickets chirped... Also no shots were fired yet IMO. Don't forget the oak tree blocking the view. The planners knew this and would not have ruined the charade. First shot fired immediately after he reappears from sign. Six seconds to do the job. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Santos Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 So I looked at the website, great info, but, and take this as a difference of opinion, I disagree with some of the statements under the captions. But, nevertheless, I appreciate seeing this photo enhanced. I do not believe I have ever seen it previously. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Nall Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 21 hours ago, Joe Bauer said: Could LBJ be that ruthless? no offense, but are you serious...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 3 hours ago, Glenn Nall said: no offense, but are you serious...? Paraphrase: "Just get me elected and I'll give you your damned war". USS Liberty, "I don't give a damn if the ship sinks". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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