Ron Bulman Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 On 11/27/2017 at 10:28 AM, Dan Doyle said: Joe, Before the parade, Kennedy and Johnson had a big argument about who was going to ride in the limo with the President. Johnson wanted liberal Senator Ralph Yarborough and JFK wanted Governor Connally. Apparently their argument was so loud that it could be overheard in the next room. And as they say, the rest is history. What I find interesting in the Croft photo, besides the decent resolution, is that most of the JFK well-wishers on the sidewalk are African American....and what does that say about JFK and the Civil Rights Movement at the time?? LBJ was Connally's parton in Texas politics. They were both Conservative Democrats. Yarborough was a (relatively) Liberal one. Part of JFK's trip was to smooth the ruffles in the state party before the 64 election. If LBJ had any possible foreknowledge that something Might happen who would one logically think he would prefer in the target car, his "enemy" or his "boy"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Nall Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said: Paraphrase: "Just get me elected and I'll give you your damned war". USS Liberty, "I don't give a damn if the ship sinks". right. you misunderstood. totally my fault. the consensus is probably "You GD'ed right LBJ could be that ruthless. Who, among the sane-minded would think differently? Douglas Kinser...?" etc... etc... Edited November 28, 2017 by Glenn Nall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 11 minutes ago, Glenn Nall said: right. you misunderstood. totally my fault. the consensus is probably "You GD'ed right LBJ could be that ruthless. Who, among the sane-minded would think differently? Douglas Kinser...?" etc... etc... No, I was responding to Joe's could LBJ be that ruthless. LBJ was a scumbag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 Billie Sol Estes told me that the only person LBJ feared was John Connally. He said that this was because Connally was even more ruthless than LBJ himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Nall Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 2:04 PM, Douglas Caddy said: Billie Sol Estes told me that the only person LBJ feared was John Connally. He said that this was because Connally was even more ruthless than LBJ himself. I wrote - and struck - about seven sentences which didn't convey the thoughts this level of ruthlessness conjured up - and I'm not even sure if I believe the assertion (that of Mr. Estes', not of Mr. Caddy's)... but really I have just this thought: WOW. effin' wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Nall Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 12:19 PM, Ron Bulman said: No, I was responding to Joe's could LBJ be that ruthless. LBJ was a scumbag. Capital "S." It's funny if we could discover the secrets to this entire mystery by simply letting the scumbags fight it out, and may the best men win: Connally, Johnson, Sturgis, Landsdale, Hunt (either)... egads, I could type forever, couldn't I? Ironically enough, Oswald wouldn't even be in the running, would he... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 1:04 PM, Douglas Caddy said: Billie Sol Estes told me that the only person LBJ feared was John Connally. He said that this was because Connally was even more ruthless than LBJ himself. Is that maybe why LBJ supported Connally? Mutual under standing? I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine? As he had the greater power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Gallaway Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 11:04 AM, Douglas Caddy said: Billie Sol Estes told me that the only person LBJ feared was John Connally. He said that this was because Connally was even more ruthless than LBJ himself. Maybe it's the Texas thing, but I always thought Connally and LBJ looked kind of similar in cowboy hats. This is to me the most relevant phone call on record between the two. In 1967, notably after the death of David Ferrie, Connally phoned LBJ to tell him his speculation about a mistaken theory he had heard about the direction of Garrison's case. He tells LBJ he heard there were 4 teams of conspirators and Oswald, Ferrie and Clay Shaw (I guess because of his inter national connections) were part of one team in a Cuban conspiracy to avenge alleged plots to kill Castro, that the CIA was" instructed" to do. inferring that Bobby may have made the instructions without his brother knowing, despite assurances to the contrary after the Cuban Missile crisis. LBJ responds that he's heard that theory, notably also from Jimmy Hoffa's attorney, but his sources have dismissed it as "ridiculous". What I thought was curious was when LBJ refers to the CIA "reconstructing their request of me when I became President". I've always wanted to think it's NSAM 273, but it seems like too much of a setup. https://youtu.be/N50cBXvS_G0?t=7 I'm getting an error message that youtube doesn't allow the imbedding of this video, but I find that if you go to youtube and put this link into the url, it will come up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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