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Michael Clark

FBI showed Marguerite a photo of Ruby on 11-23

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A very interesting thread is underway at Jfkassasssinationforum, revolving around WC testimony of Margerite Oswald having been asked to identify a photograph of Jack Ruby on 11-23. FBI agent Odum's recounts the story but does not state that the person is Jack Ruby. I am just a few minutes into considering the implications but the first thing that comes to mind is that LHO implicated Ruby, and the FBI had to find-out if Marge and Marina knew of a Ruby-LHO relationship. If Marge or Marina said that they knew of such a relationship, getting Ruby to kill LHO would not work to wrap-up the Lee-as-LN package.

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,14961.0.html

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walked into the room in the presence of my son, and all of the agents. As I stated before, Marina and I knew nothing of what went on. We did not know how Lee was shot or anything, because we did not sit down and watch television.
Mr. RANKIN. What son are you talking about? 

Mrs. OSWALD. Robert. So this is approximately the Wednesday, the 25th--no---Sunday was the 24th. About the 26th--it was a few days after Lee was shot, a couple of days. So I walked into the room, and I picked this paper up and turned it over, and I exclaimed, "This is the picture of the man that the FBI agent showed me." 

And one of the agents said, "Mrs. Oswald, that is the man that shot your son."
Believe me, gentlemen, I didn't even ask his name. And nothing more was said.
Now, that is very unusual.
Mr. RANKIN. Now, the picture that you are talking about that you picked up, was a picture in the newspaper? 

Mrs. OSWALD. In the newspaper. The bottom part of the newspaper. I can see that like I can see the picture. I had never seen the picture before.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you later learn whose picture that was?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, when I returned to my home in Fort Worth, Tex., about a week later, Mr. Blair Justice, of the Star Telegram, brought me all the papers, that was the next time I saw the pictures and knew it was Mr. Ruby. And it was a bottom page, and it was this picture shown me. Now, this is what I want to know. 

Mr. RANKIN. Tell us who was there when you said that, about the picture in the paper?
Mrs. OSWALD. Mr. Mike Howard, Mr. Garry Seals--well, all of the agents there. The room was full. And Robert Oswald was there. The room was full.
Mr. RANKIN. Was Marina there?
Mrs. OSWALD. Marina was in the bedroom. Marina and I stayed in the bedroom with the children. We could get snatches of the television and so on. The children had diarrhea and so on. We were busy. As I picked the paper up and turned it over, it was on the back. This picture I saw, the same picture. Mr. RANKIN. Do you know whether your son Lee Oswald knew Jack Ruby?
Mrs. OSWALD. No, sir, I have no way of knowing that. I just hope that he did, if I am right. If Lee is an agent, I hope he knew Jack Ruby.
Representative FORD. When you made that statement, after looking at the newspaper, did you say it loudly enough for people in the room to hear it?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, sir, because they answered me. They said, "That is the picture of the man that shot your son."
But nothing has been said since that. That is the part that I question all about this.
And then I am not asked to be subpenaed at Jack Ruby's trial or anything.
The FBI says yes, they showed me a picture, but that wasn't a picture of Jack Ruby, not even giving me a chance.
I don't understand. Something is not according to Hoyle. I keep telling you gentlemen.
Now, I can identify this picture, I believe, out of a hundred pictures.
It was a black and white glossy picture of a big face and shoulders.  

 


 

 
Edited by Michael Clark

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AFFIDAVIT 

PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION 
ON THE ASSASSINATION OF  
PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY 
STATE OF TEXAS,  
County of Dallas, ss : 

I, Bardwell D. Odum, having first been duly sworn, depose as follows:

I am presently a Special Agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, U.S. Department of Justice, and have been employed in such a capacity since June 15, 1942.

On November 23, 1963, while acting officially in my capacity as a Special Agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, I obtained a photograph of an unknown individual, furnished to the Federal Bureau of Investigation by the Central Intelligence Agency, and proceeded to the Executive Inn, a motel, at Dallas, Texas, where Marina Oswald was staying.

In view of the source of this picture, and, in order to remove all background data which might possibly have disclosed the location where the picture was taken, I trimmed off the background. The straight cuts made were more quickly done than a complete trimming of the silhouette and I considered them as effective for the desired purpose.

I desired to show this photograph to Marina Oswald in an attempt to identify the individual portrayed in the photograph and to determine if he was an associate of Lee Harvey Oswald.

It was raining and almost dark. I went to the door of Marina Oswald's room and knocked, identifying myself. Marguerite Oswald opened the door slightly and, upon being informed that I wished to speak to Marina Oswald, told me that Marina Oswald was completely exhausted and could not be interviewed. Marguerite Oswald did not admit me to the motel room. I told her I desired to show a photograph to Marina Oswald, and Marguerite Oswald again said that Marina was completely exhausted and could not be interviewed due to that fact. I then showed Marguerite Oswald the photograph in question. She looked at it briefly and stated that she had never seen this individual. I then departed the Executive Inn. The conversation with Marguerite Oswald and the exhibition of the photograph took place while I was standing outside the door to the room and Marguerite Oswald was standing inside with the door slightly ajar. 

Attached hereto are two photographic copies of the front and back of a photograph.* I have examined these copies and they are exact copies of the photograph of the unknown individual which I showed to Mrs. Marguerite Oswald on November 23, 1963. 

Signed this 10th day of July 1964. 
(s) Bardwell D. Odum, 
BARDWELL D. ODUM.

Affidavit of FBI agent Odom.

 

 
Edited by Michael Clark

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For those who have waded thru Mr. W's trolling to find some real info...

This report is days before the WCR is delivered to LBJ...

The concern over this episode was NOT that she was shown a photo of RUBY... but that the photos she was shown were different from each other.... and that the FBI was trying to hide the fact Ruby was in Mexico too...

The photo, having come from a CIA Op, and now associated with the name Oswald, would do harm to the LI projects of surveillance.  In fact, not long after the WCR is published, the Russians are moving in on the LI apartment requiring the CIA to relocate....

I'm terribly sorry that one needed to deal with a petulant Mr. W just to get to some evidence... 

 

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6 hours ago, David Josephs said:

For those who have waded thru Mr. W's trolling to find some real info...

This report is days before the WCR is delivered to LBJ...

The concern over this episode was NOT that she was shown a photo of RUBY... but that the photos she was shown were different from each other.... and that the FBI was trying to hide the fact Ruby was in Mexico too...

The photo, having come from a CIA Op, and now associated with the name Oswald, would do harm to the LI projects of surveillance.  In fact, not long after the WCR is published, the Russians are moving in on the LI apartment requiring the CIA to relocate....

I'm terribly sorry that one needed to deal with a petulant Mr. W just to get to some evidence... 

 

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Thanks David.

Transcribed from document above.

"Soon after Oswald's arrest and prior to his murder by Ruby, cropped photo of this man was shown by the FBI to Oswald's mother who disclaimed any knowledge.

After Oswald's death his mother publicly claimed the FBI had shown her a photo of Ruby prior, repeat prior to the killing of her son."

 

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1 minute ago, Michael Clark said:

Thanks David.

Transcribed from document above.

"Soon after Oswald's arrest and prior to his murder by Ruby, cropped photo of this man was shown by the FBI to Oswald's mother who disclaimed any knowledge.

After Oswald's death his mother publicly claimed the FBI had shown her a photo of Ruby prior, repeat prior to the killing of her son."

 

Yet the report is not written until Sept 64 despite being shown the photo the 23rd...

Wonder why they made him look fatter in the WCR version  ...  ??

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Thanks for posting that David.  Now we really know that old Marge Oswald WAS wrong when she said that was Ruby in the photo. So really this all comes back around to my original reply to this thread,  that this whole premise of her being shown a photo of Ruby before Sunday was nothing but a bunch of hooey.

From CONTRAST in photos to DROOPING SHOULDERS you really are something else when it comes to this case. We can ALWAYS count on you to find something conspiratorial in this case

LOL

 

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Here's a thought   :idea     

Just stop... and step away from the computer... 

 :news

 

 

Edited by David Josephs

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The reference to Marquette briefly made me wonder what the FBI was up to with John McAdams on Nov. 23, 1963. I learned about the assassination while in the line for lunch at Marquette University High School.

Edited by Joseph McBride

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1 hour ago, Denny Zartman said:

I've never seen the uncropped photo before. That's very interesting. What information is it revealing?

The angle of the image worked backward can reveal the location of the photographic center...

This report discusses how the soviets in Mexico City seemed to be "finding" the LI- locations...
On Oct 10th....

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