Theory-In-Progress

[Thomas Graves]

 

 

"To use a baseball analogy, any theory that posits that the Soviets killed JFK, (given the relations between the 2 powers at that time) is pretty far out there in a ballpark with a very spacious right field. There's no motive."

-- Kirk Gallaway

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How ironic, then, that we somehow ended up with a pro-KGB-boy Vladimir Putin, anti-NATO "useful idiot" as our current president.

You know, after only ninety-plus years Soviet/Russian "active measures" counterintelligence ops, artfully interwoven with fifty-eight years of "strategic deception" ops against us and our allies, and the attendant over-the-top Conspiracy Theory Mindset said ops engendered, encouraged, and manipulated.

(Hey, who needs fact-checking when we have groovy click-bait "news items," "ads," and algorithms!  Thank you very much, Roger Ailes.  Your mentor, Vladislav Surkov, would be proud.)

--  Tommy 

Edited March 23, 2018 by Thomas Graves

[James DiEugenio]

OMG, here goes Tommy with his molehunt madness.

And now he is even endorsing Golitsyn.

Its like he never read the David Wise book on Angleton.  That book shows how many careers were ruined because of Golitsyn's BS which Angleton actually swallowed.

And as I said before, Popov was not uncovered by a spy.  As Mangold proved in his book, it was a mistake in tradecraft, and Angleton knew that.

I don't know why these people talk about Angleton when they have not read anything about him except State Secret.

To me, you cannot talk about Angleton and the JFK case, without mentioning the Hunt memorandum.

Try and find the last time Tommy mentioned that. 

Edited January 18, 2018 by James DiEugenio

[Thomas Graves]

On 1/17/2018 at 8:22 PM, James DiEugenio said:

OMG, here goes Tommy with his molehunt madness.

And now he is even endorsing Golitsyn.

Its like he never read the David Wise book on Angleton.  That book shows how many careers were ruined because of Golitsyn's BS which Angleton actually swallowed.

And as I said before, Popov was not uncovered by a spy.  As Mangold proved in his book, it was a mistake in tradecraft, and Angleton knew that.

I don't know why these people talk about Angleton when they have not read anything about him except State Secret.

To me, you cannot talk about Angleton and the JFK case, without mentioning the Hunt memorandum.

Try and find the last time Tommy mentioned that. 

James,

"Molehunt" was written in 1992, for cryin' out loud.  And yes, I have read it.

Have you gotten around to reading Tennent H. Bagley's 2007 book "Spy Wars" yet, or even his much shorter 2014 PDF "Ghosts of the Spy Wars"?

Please get back to me when you have, so we can have an equally well-informed and intelligent debate.

--  Tommy   

PS. Your boy Mangold was wrong about Popov.  If you'll finally read " Spy Wars" you'll realize that he was betrayed to the Ruskies in 1957 by Edward Ellis Smith, the first CIA officer the KGB ever recruited.

Edited March 23, 2018 by Thomas Graves

[Thomas Graves]

On 1/17/2018 at 10:15 PM, Thomas Graves said:

 

James posted:

OMG, here goes Tommy with his mole hunt madness.

And now he is even endorsing Golitsyn.

Its like he never read the David Wise book on Angleton.  That book shows how many careers were ruined because of Golitsyn's BS which Angleton actually swallowed.

And as I said before, Popov was not uncovered by a spy.  As Mangold proved in his book, it was a mistake in tradecraft, and Angleton knew that.

I don't know why these people talk about Angleton when they have not read anything about him except State Secret.

To me, you cannot talk about Angleton and the JFK case, without mentioning the Hunt memorandum.

Try and find the last time Tommy mentioned that. 

 

 

James,

"Molehunt" was written in 1992, for cryin' out loud.  And yes, I have read it. 

Have you gotten around to reading Tennent H. Bagley's 2007 book "Spy Wars" yet, or even his much shorter 2014 PDF "Ghosts of the Spy Wars"?

Please get back to me when you have, so we can have an equally well-informed and intelligent debate.

--  Tommy   

PS  Your boy Mangold was as naive and gullible as his mentors Leonard McCoy, et al., and therefore totally wrong about Popov.  If you'll finally read "Spy Wars," you'll realize that Popov was betrayed to the Ruskies in 1957 by Edward Ellis Smith, the first CIA officer the KGB ever recruited.

 

Consolidated, edited and bumped

--  TG

Edited March 23, 2018 by Thomas Graves