Keyvan Shahrdar Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) a pass! Let's see what Bill Moyers was involved in on that fateful day November 22nd, 1963. I am not saying that Bill knew that his actions would set up JFK for assassination. What I am saying is that he was most likely told to do certain things without the foreknowledge that JFK was about to get assassinated. 1. Told Ken O' Donnel, JFK's secretary, to select the Trade Mart as the place for the luncheon. 2. Told DPD Assistant Chief George Lumpkin (Lead Car) to change the motorcade route to turn on Elm Street instead of going straight on Main Street through Dealey Plaza. 3. Asked his aide Betty Harris to tell Secret Service Agent Sorrels to have the bubble top removed from JFK's car at Love Field. Edited February 1, 2018 by Keyvan Shahrdar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Harper Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Slowly I've learned that the participants in many similar things are brought into the net somehow, someway. Then he or she is part of it. In 1988 I couldn't figure why Bush picked Quayle .(I'm unsure if McBride's publication of the Hoover memo was before or after the VP pick). It made no sense to me. Years later, reading through books on Iran/Contra, I found that members of Congress "helped out" by letting their offices be used as makeshift hotels by some of those involved in this illegal activity-all-for-a-better-cause . Quayle was one of them. Now I see it as a kind of an insurance policy for Bush. Nixon I think felt the same with Agnew ..little did he realize.... I agree with you that Moyers joins the long list of those used by others. I still can't locate McGeorge Bundy's place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 I can see how Meyers might not have had perspective at the time. But his silence since is troubling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Harper Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 The silence of SO MANY is hard to fathom. When I think of all the people whose career was made by their association with JFK, to have so few of them say a peep has always been depressing (I exclude the Irish mafia and their tale to Tip O'Neill). God bless Mark Lane. There is a picture of him and JFK together; there was a friend who acted like one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) Robert - Have you read JFK and the Unspeakable? Or Brothers, by David Talbot? Edited February 2, 2018 by Paul Brancato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said: a pass! Let's see what Bill Moyers was involved in on that fateful day November 22nd, 1963. I am not saying that Bill knew that his actions would set up JFK for assassination. What I am saying is that he was most likely told to do certain things without the foreknowledge that JFK was about to get assassinated. 1. Told Ken O' Donnel, JFK's secretary, to select the Trade Mart as the place for the luncheon. 2. Told DPD Assistant Chief George Lumpkin (Lead Car) to change the motorcade route to turn on Elm Street instead of going straight on Main Street through Dealey Plaza. 3. Asked his aide Betty Harris to tell Secret Service Agent Sorrels to have the bubble top removed from JFK's car at Love Field. Keyvan, Are you saying that Moyers suggested to O'Donnell that the Trade Mart be selected? And that he suggested to Lumpkin to change the route? And had his assistant suggest to Sorrels that the bubble-top be removed? Or did actually tell them to do those things? -- Tommy Edited February 2, 2018 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Harper Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 7 hours ago, Paul Brancato said: Robert - Have you read JFK and the Unspeakable? Or Brothers, by David Talbot? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I thought Talbot did a good job of getting many in JFK’s inner circle to express their thoughts on his death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Harper Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 At the time, they just didn't talk. They never defended Lane. What the hell did Sorensen ever say about the SBT? I made reference to "the unspeakable" in my first post on MSU the other day, alluding to the work of Talbot, Douglass and others. What I was trying to say was that the force of authority can quiet the inner voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyvan Shahrdar Posted February 2, 2018 Author Share Posted February 2, 2018 8 hours ago, Thomas Graves said: Hi Tommy, From my research, Moyers had the final decision on the speech site, motorcade route, and if the bubble top of the limousine should have been removed. Are you saying that Moyers suggested to O'Donnell that the Trade Mart be selected? 'DNC advance man Jerry Bruno told the HSCA that Moyers "Was asked to visit Texas on behalf of the president to settle the conflict over the speech site and motorcade route."' - Page 103, Survivors Guilt.... And that he suggested to Lumpkin to change the route? And had his assistant suggest to Sorrels that the bubble-top be removed? "The HSCA reported that, as with the motorcade route decision, the team of Betty Harris and Bill Moyers has a hand in this decision to remove the bubbletop." - Page 83, Survisors Guilt, The Secret Service and the Failure to Protect President Kennedy. Or did actually tell them to do those things? -- Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence Schnapf Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 the TradeMart was selected by Connolly as part of the local Host Committee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Yes, I think Larry is correct about that. And there is no evidence I have ever sent that Moyers changed the motorcade route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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