General Walker, Lee Harvey Oswald and Dallas Officials

[Jason Ward]

8 hours ago, Jim Root said:

Jason

You have hit upon another of the troubling questions for my research......why would Ruby kill Oswald?

This is from a post I wrote back in 2004.....perhaps you will find it of interest.

 

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Jim Root

 

 

Yes, Ruby is stalking Oswald, from what you posted, and he's nervous about admitting it.  Is there something else here?   

Ruby pinpoints Edwin Walker in his jailhouse testimony to liberal Democrat Chief Justice Earl Warren.   If there's any plausible reason Ruby would mention General Walker in this way, other than to implicate him in the recent murders, I'd like to hear such reasons.

....{the Warren Commission direct testimony of Jack Ruby and General Edwin Walker}
 

[Jason Ward]

Does it seem like General Walker in the 1960s shares the same geographical appeal as Donald Trump today?

 

 

[Jason Ward]

9 hours ago, Paul Trejo said:

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But his heart was never in it.   I cite as hard evidence the historical fact that LHO never joined any Communist or Socialist Party.   LHO never associated with Communists or Socialists inside the USA.   In New Orleans, for example, matters were exactly as Jim Garrison described them -- all of the associates of LHO in New Orleans belonged to the Radical Right.   Yes, LHO wrote letters to Communist and Socialist groups in New York (knowing full well that the FBI would intercept them all).  But he never joined.  He never hung out with these people.  That's conclusive, in my reading.  LHO was play-acting.  LHO was an opportunist.

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Hi Paul,

General Walker's initial explanation of Oswald is that he is a commie, part of the dangerous cell of Dallas commies.  This is early 1964 and he makes this claim in one of his radio broadcasts.   By the summer of 1964, Walker's story has changed.   Now Walker says Oswald is in a CIA plot along with Ruby.  Walker basically adopts something of the CIA-did-it conspiracy theory Garrison began which lives on today.

Why the change in Walker's public rendition of Oswald from commie to CIA?

 

Jason

February 1964 FBI report

 

 

FBI report of John Henshaw writing in the National Enquirer; May 1964:

 

[Paul Brancato]

Maybe Trejo will respond to my post on this thread about his stated views that Oswald was a secret right wing radical working with Walker.

Not sure why I bother to chime in here, since you both ignore my questions and statements. 

[Paul Trejo]

8 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Maybe Trejo will respond to my post on this thread about his stated views that Oswald was a secret right wing radical working with Walker.

Not sure why I bother to chime in here, since you both ignore my questions and statements. 

Paul B.,

I don't like it when people put words into my mouth.   Nobody does.

I never, ever stated that Lee Harvey Oswald was working with General Walker.    Never.

I always stated that Lee Harvey Oswald tried to kill General Walker.   Always.

Get it right, Brancato.   This is why I ignore your questions and statements; you're sloppy when it comes to my position.

Sincerely,
--Paul Trejo

Edited March 14, 2018 by Paul Trejo

[Paul Trejo]

On 3/13/2018 at 11:34 PM, Jason Ward said:

Hi Paul,

General Walker's initial explanation of Oswald is that he is a commie, part of the dangerous cell of Dallas commies.  This is early 1964 and he makes this claim in one of his radio broadcasts.   By the summer of 1964, Walker's story has changed.   Now Walker says Oswald is in a CIA plot along with Ruby.  Walker basically adopts something of the CIA-did-it conspiracy theory Garrison began which lives on today.

Why the change in Walker's public rendition of Oswald from commie to CIA?

Jason

February 1964 FBI report

FBI report of John Henshaw writing in the National Enquirer; May 1964:

Jason,

Here is why it remains important to learn about the John Birch Society (JBS) position in 1962-1964.   They saw the Communist Menace being run from New York City and Washington DC.  They called it the "Eastern Establishment."

Revilo P. Oliver, writer for the JBS for many years, was also the final witness for the Warren Commission.   In these hearings Oliver expressed his views that there was no shade of difference between the CIA and the KGB -- they were working for the same team.

This is called the Radical Right theory of politics.  It is not a Conservative view.  It is not even an Ultra-Conservative view.  It is Radical.  It wants to overthrow the US Government.  It has been allowed to run amok since the Assassination of JFK.   The results are plain to this very day.

See, Jason?    When General Walker said that LHO was a commie, there was no contradiction in his mind, when he later said that LHO was part of a CIA plot.   For the Birchers, everybody in the KGB was also working for the CIA.   They were one and the same entity.

This was stated by Robert Welch as early as 1959.  It is part of JBS dogma.   And General Walker swallowed it, hook, line and sinker.  This is the major cause of all his behavior from 1961 forward.   He was truly a non-intellectual.

There was no change in Walker's public rendition, once we understand the JBS political line.

All best,
--Paul

Edited March 18, 2018 by Paul Trejo
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[Paul Brancato]

Paul Trejo - how dishonest of you. To be more accurate, something your response fails to do, you stated many times on this forum that Walker and Banister took control of Oswald after he tried to kill Walker, that they sent him to New Orleans, and subsequently to Mexico with Cuba and killing Castro as his ultimate task. You also stated many times that it was obvious to you that Oswald was a fake socialist, a right wing radical. 

[Jim Root]

Jason asked:

"Yes, Ruby is stalking Oswald, from what you posted, and he's nervous about admitting it.  Is there something else here?"

What I find so interesting is that Ruby spends time at the Temple then heads over to the PD.  Somewhere along the way he picks up two men who accompany him that are identified as "Israeli Press."  Ruby is identified with these two men by a reporter (Rutledge) and a detective (Eberhart) who know Ruby so I tend to believe the sworn statements of Rutledge and Eberhart to be true.  

Many years ago I had the opportunity to discuss this with Gary Mack over lunch after which we went back to the 6th Floor Museum and tried to locate any record of Israeli Press being in the room on Friday night.....no records were found and we looked for any pictures/records of "Red" Press badges.....none were found.

Based upon Ruby's post assassination statements and a great deal of his early life, Ruby's Jewish roots were very important to him.  Most CT's want to look at Ruby's underworld connections but none that I know of have explored his religious affiliations..

Jim Root

[Paul Trejo]

58 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:

Paul Trejo - how dishonest of you. To be more accurate, something your response fails to do, you stated many times on this forum that Walker and Banister took control of Oswald after he tried to kill Walker, that they sent him to New Orleans, and subsequently to Mexico with Cuba and killing Castro as his ultimate task. You also stated many times that it was obvious to you that Oswald was a fake socialist, a right wing radical. 

Paul B.,

No, it's just you being sloppy.   I said that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) was truly a Right wing Radical pretending to be a Left wing Radical -- HOWEVER -- I never said that Lee Harvey Oswald was working with General Walker.

There is nuance there, and you ignore it.  That's why I said you're sloppy with my position.   

I said that LHO was s secret Rightist pretending to be a Leftist -- and I also said that General Walker believed LHO was a Communist, and so General Walker hated Oswald's guts.

Can you not see the nuance?   

Also, LHO was a Radical Rightist working for Guy Banister in a plot to kill Fidel Castro.   That's my position.   Yet I also  maintain that Guy Banister had a secret plot against LHO, because it was Guy Banister who was secretly working with General Walker.

General Walker said that he found out "within days" that it was LHO who tried to kill him in April, 1963.   So General Walker wanted LHO dead as a doornail.

I demonstrated this with finality with my very first post on this thread.

Sincerely,
--Paul Trejo

Edited March 14, 2018 by Paul Trejo

[Paul Trejo]

10 hours ago, Jason Ward said:

Why the change in Walker's public rendition of Oswald from commie to CIA?

Jason,

To illustrate why that was no change at all, here is a direct quotation from Robert Welch from 1959:

This brings us to the most important of their separate Big Lies. The first is that Communism is a movement of the downtrodden masses against their oppressors. The truth is exactly the opposite. Communism is imposed on every country, from the top down, by a conspiratorial apparatus, headed and controlled by suave and utterly ruthless criminals, who are recruited from the richest families, most highly educated intellectuals, and most skillful politicians within that country. The rest of the show, including all of the noise made and work done by the poor ‘revolutionary’ beatniks and dupes at the bottom, is mere pretense and deception. (Robert Welch, 1959, The Politician, p. xxxxv)

All best,
--Paul

Edited March 14, 2018 by Paul Trejo

[Jason Ward]

On 3/13/2018 at 12:51 PM, Paul Trejo said:

 

In my humble opinion, LHO entered the USSR in order to write his memoirs about it, and then sell those memoirs in the USA for a fortune.  That was his teenage dream.  He might have done it, too, but Marina Oswald upset all his plans.  

 

 

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On 3/12/2018 at 11:21 PM, Jim Root said:

 

No, I do not believe that Oswald went to the USSR at Walker's request.  I believe the plan was to sabotage the Paris Summit.  

 

 

Jim says Oswald enters Russia to sabotage the Paris Summit and Paul says it was something of a research sabbatical in preparation for penning a bestselling book back in the US.   Ok.   I think? another commonly held view is that Oswald is on a mission from ONI or the CIA to.......work in a Minsk radio factory and collect a Russian wife.  I guess.  Whatever.   

So whatever the purpose of Oswald's time in the USSR, he comes back to the US in 1962 and his Soviet period is his main claim to fame until the assassination.   

I think there's some clues for both of your points of view in the records of a very odd event -  Lee Harvey Oswald makes a 1963 speech before Jesuit seminarians in Mobile, Alabama.    James Douglass makes the brilliant observation that Oswald's speech is critical of the Soviet system and/or communism, which is at odds with his public persona.  Furthermore, says Douglass, Oswald warns against government takeover engineered by military leaders.

 

1. FBI eyewitness testimony of Oswald's speech:

2. James Douglass writing about Oswald's speech in JFK and the Unspeakable, (Simon and Schuster, 2008), pp. 330-331.

 

Edited March 15, 2018 by Jason Ward

[Paul Trejo]

Jason,

I will assume, arguendo, that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) was a teenage cadet in the ONI, and was assigned to the USSR as a spy-intern on a "dangle" project, of reporting the sighting of specific individuals in his area.

Certainly LHO was not supposed to marry a Russian girl during this ONI mission.   In fact, one might make a case that it was precisely because he got married -- on his own -- and decided to return to the USA -- on his own -- that was the reason for his disqualification by the ONI for any further employment.

This would explain three facts: (1) that LHO's Marine discharge was downgraded to "undesirable" when he returned to the USA; (2) that LHO failed to obtain full-time employment by genuine intelligence agencies in the USA; and (3) that LHO and Marina lived in abject poverty in the USA.

As for the texts you cited -- the first-hand report of Father Mullen at LHO's speech in the spring of 1963 sounds genuine -- unlike the contrived, CIA-did-it report offered by James Douglass.

In my CT, LHO never at any time considered killing JFK.   However, he had also been seduced in March 1963 to kill General Walker by George De Mohrenschildt, so that he shot at Walker in Dallas in April 1963.   (Very likely, LHO was motivated by a false belief that George DM could get him a full-time job in the CIA).

The heat was on, so LHO fled to New Orleans -- into the clutches of the secret friends of General Walker, namely, Guy Banister, David Ferrie, Clay Shaw and their many minions.   At some point in New Orleans, LHO was seduced into joining a plot to kill Fidel Castro by using a Fake FPCC.  (Very likely his motive was to finally obtain full-time employment with the CIA).

The reason that LHO traveled to Mexico City (as a passenger in a car) at the end of summer, 1963, was exactly as he told Marina several times -- to get into Cuba, Cuba and only Cuba.   He was to join a group in Havana that was secretly plotting to kill Fidel Castro.   He failed utterly in his plans, because the Cuban Consulate in Mexico City saw through his farce immediately..

After LHO returned to the USA, to Dallas, he had no clue that he was being manipulated by the Dallas Radical Right in a plot to kill JFK -- and to sacrifice himself as well.

All best,
--Paul

Edited March 15, 2018 by Paul Trejo
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[Paul Trejo]

On ‎3‎/‎13‎/‎2018 at 11:34 PM, Jason Ward said:

Hi Paul,

General Walker's initial explanation of Oswald is that he is a commie, part of the dangerous cell of Dallas commies.  This is early 1964 and he makes this claim in one of his radio broadcasts.   

Jason

Jason,

General Walker, like everybody else in the Fort Worth Dallas area in June, 1962, could not help but hear about Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO), the Marine who allegedly defected to the USSR, and then came back to Fort Worth with a Russian bride.

To a rabid Anti-Communist like General Walker, this must have been enraging.  For Walker, LHO was a traitor pure and simple.   End of story.  LHO should have been court-martialed and then put up against a wall and shot as soon as he got off the airplane.

I have little doubt that General Walker kept that biased, jaundiced opinion of LHO all the way through the killing of LHO on 11/24/1963.

Furthermore, Walker was paranoid -- we have this from at least two psychiatrists who met him when he was committed to an insane asylum by JFK and RFK following the Ole Miss riots of September 1962.   He was always afraid of RFK after that episode.   So, when somebody tried to shoot Walker in his Dallas home on 4/10/1963, the immediate response of Walker was to blame RFK.   (We know this because Walker would claim this many times during his remaining years).

Further, Walker learned "within days" that this very traitor, this Communist, this defector, LHO, had tried to murder him.  Later that same year -- and for many years after -- he would write that RFK had sent LHO to kill him, and that RFK got LHO released after the Dallas Police had picked him up on the night of April 10, 1963.

Again -- I have little doubt that General Walker always conceived of LHO as a Commie rat traitor, until the day that LHO was killed.

As I noted above, there was no real contradiction when a Bircher says somebody is both a Commie and a CIA operative.  They both belonged to the "Eastern Establishment" of New York City, according to the goofy JBS political opinion.  Yet it raises questions about Jim Garrison's JFK CT in my mind -- how he could begin by suspecting the Radical Right -- and suddenly shift the blame to the CIA.

All best,
--Paul

Edited March 15, 2018 by Paul Trejo
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[Jason Ward]

9 hours ago, Paul Trejo said:

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the Fort Worth Dallas area 

 

Paul, 

The DFW area is ESSENTIAL to this, is it not?  I watched a random assortment of JFK assassination videos on YouTube last night.  I think we have lost the outrageous audacity of the assassination in all of our books and theories and so forth.  For most of us this assassination has always existed.   But in actuality this is an incredibly brazen and risky event. It's simply impossible to imagine multiple shooters in a public place today remaining anonymous and able to get away free of punishment.

It's now apparent to me that the Dallas Police Department is the critical factor here. 

Critical I mean in ensuring no one is punished for the murders and critical in hiding the truth.   Besides the implausible spectacle of multiple riflemen in outdoor public daylight, some in buildings, not in vehicles...somehow NOT getting caught, there is also:

1. the DPD's bizarre and inexplicable story around Tippit and the captivity of Oswald
2. the ridiculous version of how the crime scene was processed and evidence collected
3. the quick way Oswald was silenced

Besides those who actually pulled the trigger, to me these three points made the assassination successful.  All three of these points are the work of the Dallas Police Department . 

I think we should stop obsessing about Oswald and theories for every detail in his convoluted story. We all need to be looking at the Dallas Police Department first and foremost - very intensely.

 

Jason

Edited March 15, 2018 by Jason Ward

[Paul Trejo]

6 minutes ago, Jason Ward said:

Paul, 

The DFW area is ESSENTIAL to this, is it not?  I watched a random assortment of JFK assassination videos on YouTube last night.  I think we have lost the outrageous audacity of the assassination in all of our books and theories and so forth.  For most of us this assassination has always existed.   But in actuality this is an incredibly brazen and risky event. It's simply impossible to imagine multiple shooters in a public place today remaining anonymous and able to get away free of punishment.

It's now apparent to me that the Dallas Police Department is the critical factor here. 

Critical I mean in ensuring no one is punished for the murders and critical in hiding the truth.   Besides the implausible spectacle of multiple riflemen in public daylight, in buildings,  not in vehicles...somehow NOT getting caught, there is also:

1. the DPD's bizarre and inexplicable story around Tippit and the captivity of Oswald
2. the ridiculous version of how the crime scene was processed and evidence collected
3. the quick way Oswald was silenced

Besides those who actually pulled the trigger, to me these three points made the assassination successful.  All three of these points are the work of the DOS Police Department . 

I think we should stop obsessing about Oswald and theories for every detail in his convoluted story. We all need to be looking at the Dallas Police Department first and foremost - very intensely.

Jason

HOORAY!

An EXCELLENT result, Jason!    This is exactly the result I've been hoping for these past 6 years on this Forum!  

Would you be willing to join me in a review all of the WC testimony from all the Dallas Police and Deputies and Law officials on this thread?   It belongs here, because I also propose to show was how many of them were following the lead of General Walker in their JFK plotting. 

But before we can do that, we must first list them all, and then review their WC testimony, and show how many dozens of holes have always been there, gaping at us.

All best,
--Paul

Edited March 15, 2018 by Paul Trejo