General Walker, Lee Harvey Oswald and Dallas Officials

[Paul Brancato]

3 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

. Earle Cabell, CIA agent, Dallas Mayor, spreading the Lone Nut Myth, hours after the assassination of JFK. 

He sounds very remakably like John Connally in his description of the event. 

 

 

 

Good one Michael. Well, it looks like Mr. Ward has come out of the closet.

How can anyone read this Walker letter and not come to the conclusion that he is indeed ‘bat xxxx crazy’? He lived with a known Nazi. He called a known German Nazi right after the assassination - Gerhard Frey. It was only after this that Oswald became his shooter. Walker’s view of American society was as skewed as you can get. His word is worthless. 

Edited April 27, 2018 by Paul Brancato

[Jason Ward]

On 4/24/2018 at 9:53 PM, Paul Trejo said:

Mr. STERN - Question 8, Mr. Belmont, on page 5, sets out the information from a report by Agent Hosty regarding alleged Fair Play for Cuba Committee activity by Oswald while he was still residing in Dallas. Have you found that an investigation was conducted to determine whether that was accurate and do you think it should have been investigated? 

Mr. BELMONT - As to whether he was active with the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in Dallas? We did check....There is no evidence whatsoever to indicate that he was active with the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in Dallas. 

Now, this appears to be in March, 1963 -- certainly before the New Orleans period which begins in April, 1963.   Belmont does not give the exact date.  But notice that WC attorney Stern indicates that Dallas FBI agent James Hosty had "alleged FPCC activity for Oswald while he was still residing in Dallas."

Alan Belmont did not deny that report.  He says that FBI HQ checked it out, and found James Hosty's allegation to be incorrect.

My question is this -- why in the world did James Hosty submit a report in March 1963, alleging that Lee Harvey Oswald was active in the FPCC in Dallas? 

Hi Paul,

Unfortunately for you and the reading audience I'm in a slow season at work so I've got more time again to pester you and Gen. Walker.    I think I see a small issue here in the above snippet I took from your earlier post.

In my read of FBI number 3 man Alan Belmont's Warren Commission testimony, Belmont isn't necessarily saying that Hosty made an allegation of Oswald's FPCC activity in Dallas, is he?   Isn't he potentially saying that there was a general allegation of Oswald's FPCC activity in Dallas in the spring of 1963, without mentioning the specific source of this allegation?

I think Hosty is such a nervous wreck about his connection to Oswald that he would never allege any FPCC activity in Dallas from Oswald or anyone else.   Hosty's already in hot water about Oswald and tries to pull a Jedi mind-trick on the WC and history by giving us a load of bureaucratic double-talk in testimony, as he implicitly argues that FBI administrative procedures pulled Oswald from under his remit for much of 1963.  In Hosty's narration, the Oswald file is in administrative limbo between New Orleans and Dallas such that he cannot possibly be held accountable for Oswald's actions.

I think Belmont is referring to either an informant's allegation or the FBI mail intercept of the FPCC in New York that found Oswald's letter where he self-identifies as a FPCC Dallas agitator in the Spring of 1963, right?  Belmont isn't implying that Hosty made the allegation of Oswald's FPCC activity in Dallas, agree?

It all goes back to Oswald's letter...

Jason

1. Oswald in his hyper-communist persona tells the FPCC he's working in Dallas

 

2. Is David Ferrie handing out leaflets on Canal St around he same time as Oswald's spring 1963 letter?   According to one of Ferrie's Civil Air Patrol cadets who also knew Oswald, George Boesch:

 

 

SOURCES

1 CD 107

2 HSCA Report Vol 9, p 113

Edited April 27, 2018 by Jason Ward

[Jason Ward]

On 4/24/2018 at 9:53 PM, Paul Trejo said:

any material evidence that Dallas FBI agent James Hosty was tracking Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas before the New Orleans period would be a key step in establishing an illicit, Radical Right linkage by Hosty.

Paul, I think the evidence Hosty was tracking the Oswalds no later than early 1963 is strong: 

1. Hosty by official report finds the Oswalds at both Neely St and Eslbeth St apartments.  He lets them go, he says, for fear of disturbing their marriage.   
2. Perhaps more importantly than all this is that on 22NOV63 the DPD in official reports lists Oswald address as Elsbeth.  There is only one place they could have found this address - from Hosty.   
3. ...Yet Hosty himself knew on 22NOV63 that Oswald didn't live at Elsbeth, so doesn't this imply that on 22NOV63 the DPD put Oswald's address on Elsbeth based on their Spring 1963 knowledge of Oswald's activities????  Activities shared with the DPD by Hosty?  (and potentially by the Vorshinins via Hosty?)

On 4/25/2018 at 1:56 PM, Paul Trejo said:

4.  The letter from LHO to the FPCC (perhaps March, 1963) cannot confirm that LHO was telling the truth.  He was writing to Communists -- and LHO often lied to Communists.  Remember when LHO wrote to the CPUSA and told them that he had a fight with "gusanos" in New Orleans, but that fight really occurred the week afterwards!  Why would LHO lie?  Because he was a manipulator, that's why.

I think sometimes we get too caught up in trying to say whether so-and-so is lying or telling the truth.   Often all we really need to look at is what they want us to believe.   Isn't the assassination a play, meant to tell us a story and not reality?  These are actors who wish to convey a fictional story.   

SO...perhaps it doesn't matter so much whether LHO was telling the truth in his March-April letter to the FPCC about handing out leaflets in Dallas.  Maybe the more revealing point is that this is what Oswald wants us to believe, it's what he wants the FPCC to believe, it's probably what he wants the FBI to believe, and, eventually, it's what Harkness and Curry at the DPD want us to believe.

 

Why does the DPD have Oswald's address on Elsbeth on 22NOV63?  What is the source and date of this information about Oswald's Elsbeth apartment?   

 

source: Dallas Municipal Archives JFK Collection, BOX 5, Folder 2

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[Paul Trejo]

23 hours ago, Jason Ward said:

Paul, that is a great piece of evidence. 

Unless you tell me to take it down, I am providing Walker's newsletter in this post.   

My initial thoughts are dominated by the reaction that whoever wrote this is a powerful writer.   He has a CT and explains it better than most anyone here in CT-land!   He writes better than most graduate students.   He moves the narrative along quickly and gets across the facts without childish adjectives.  He's not saying merely what he wants to say as a selfish outlet for his emotions, he's presenting his case in terms likely to appeal to a reader - this habit is hard for most people to learn.

...I will...conclude that Walker is the best writer of anyone in the assassination saga, which demonstrates a formidable intellect...

{unrelated side question: Walker is against the Vietnam War, is he not?}

Hi Jason,

Glad you liked Walker's newsletter to the "Friends of Walker."   He was a pretty good writer -- and he was a terrific speaker, when he spoke to the Choir.   Chris Cravens reported that in an hour speech, Walker could get a dozen standing ovations, and a five minute standing ovation at the end.

His main message was something like "draining the swamp" in Washington DC.   It's amazing how many Americans in 1961-1963 hated JFK and RFK, and were terrified of Cuba.

Anyway -- going by their WC testimony alone, we can see that Walker is smarter than Sheriff Decker, Captain Fritz, Chief Curry, USPS Inspector Holmes and Dallas Secret Service agent Forrest Sorrels.   Even  Dallas FBI agent James Hosty, as educated as he was, appears less articulate than Walker.

Well -- Walker spent his childhood in the 1920's in Military School.  Then he went to West Point.  Then he went into the US Army where he spent the next 30 years until 1961.  In 1959 he joined the John Birch Society, which radicalized him, and motivated his resignation from the US Army (submitted twice in 24 months -- denied by Ike, accepted by JFK).

One reporter says that Walker wanted to be US President, and really thought he had a chance.  All he had to do first was become Governor of Texas.   So, he ran in 1962, financed by oil baron H.L. Hunt.   He reached the zenith of his political career in April, 1962, on the day when the US Senate convened a subcommittee to hear "The Case of Walker" about why Walker was allegedly "fired" from the US Army by a Communist Plot.   

Walker walked into that subcommittee with his head held high.  If he did well in these hearings, he would easily win the Texas Governors' chair.   He was a beloved speaker to the Choir -- I already said -- but to a critical audience, under cross-examination, he caused one reporter to exclaim, "By the grace of God, he is the worst speaker in the world."

If we go by Walker's WC testimony, we see again his strengths and weaknesses to amiable questions and to cross-examination.  He spoke well -- but he wasn't a careful thinker.   He could probably plan a paramilitary ambush as well as any expert in the USA.  But when it came to politics, he was no match for, say, LBJ.

Anyway -- Walker did horribly before that Senate subcommittee.   He really looked silly, spending much of his time attacking the US Army newspaper, Overseas Weekly, claiming they were "subversive."   He looked silly, too, when he claimed that there were Communists in the Pentagon.   He looked triply silly when George Lincoln Rockwell, head of the ANP, came to the Senate hearings wearing full Nazi regalia, and praising Walker to high heaven -- and was escorted outside.

It was a political disaster for General Walker.   In a field of five candidates for Texas Governor, he came in last place.   But he would not quit.  He wanted political power, and he had powerful backers.   He only had to think of a new plan. 

All best,
--Paul

P.S.  Yes, General Walker was firmly against the Vietnam War, because of his personal experience in the Korean War.   In his view, the United Nations was Communist-controlled, and the United Nations directed the Korean War -- not the US Military.   Walker preached to his Choir that any Vietnam War would merely repeat the Korean War as another No-Win War, directed by the United Nations -- that is, by the Communists.

Edited April 28, 2018 by Paul Trejo

[Jason Ward]

1 hour ago, Paul Trejo said:

General Walker was firmly against the Vietnam War,

We can leave that with no further study I guess.  

So much of the non-radical-right theories seek to explain the Vietnam War via the Kennedy assassination and I think it's notable that the far right wasn't necessarily pro-war.  In fact they have an isolationist impulse that Trump leveraged as part of his victory.   A CT should explain the Kennedy assassination, not try to be the Rosetta Stone that explains the Vietnam War, Watergate, and all bad things in human history since 1963.

1 hour ago, Paul Trejo said:

He looked triply silly when George Lincoln Rockwell

The American Nazis.   Rockwell.   Your point is that Walker was not politically sophisticated and was unable to lead public opinion in the way of LBJ or FDR.  So you're saying he set fire to the Reichstag and then tried to blame the communists, like Hitler did.   Ok, there is no meaningful Nazi connection.   But did Walker take a page out off the Nazi playbook?

 

Does Marinus van der Lubbe  = Oswald       ???

 

 

1 hour ago, Paul Trejo said:

 He only had to think of a new plan. 

Ok. 

I've been chronically without any work to do at work for the last week and the problem is accelerating, so I've posted more on the forum today than I do in an average week.    I hope you can find the time to read through some of my word eruption and point out blatant errors or perhaps good ideas.

Let us move forward, shall we?

I'm ready to agree that the following are reasonable conclusions:

1. the assassination is largely a production of the local police - DPD and sheriff's department.   
2. I stop short of saying the police pulled the trigger, but they control the narrative in all CTs - they process evidence, they handle Oswald, they made it all possible. 
3. Perhaps most importantly the police closed the case and silenced the defendant in lighting speed, at best, they allowed the defendant to be silenced.
4. The police testimony in the Warren Commission is a flaming wreck of incoherent dishonesty and obvious conspiracy.   Garrison isn't so brilliant for identifying this - it's obvious.  He's brilliant for actually reading it, which apparently no one else did then or since then.

Finally, the evidence published by the Warren Commission is about the farthest you can get from a coverup that I can possibly imagine - it is in fact evidence of conspiracy way too obvious for anyone to reasonably insist this was a mastermind effort at deception.  

I sense Dulles was right - the true answer to the Kennedy assassination is right here in the Warren Commission evidence.   No need for creative fantasies .   So....do you want to look at a few more police or witnesses...or move to Walker...or what?

 

Jason

 

 

Edited April 28, 2018 by Jason Ward

[Paul Trejo]

23 hours ago, Jason Ward said:

Hi Paul,

...Here's my point of contention: Walker is bat-sh*t crazy if he's making up his claim that the DPD knew about Oswald on 10APR63 without one scintilla of evidence to back him up on this claim.    I don't think he's bat-sh*t crazy.

... I have to modestly suggest: We must first try to take Walker at his word.    ...

Jason

Hi Jason,

I agree that Walker is either -- 

(1) Bat-sh*t crazy with his accusation that Chief Jesse Curry had Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) under arrest on the night of April 10, 1963, but let him go on the secret orders of RFK, and hid all the evidence from that night until eternity.

--or--

(2) Walker knew something that we still don't know. 

I certainly welcome your efforts to smash down my Walker-did-it CT, because you are willing to look at fresh evidence, and you don't hold some JFK CT dogma from the 1990's.

OK, let's look at General Walker and Chief Curry.   You want to presume that General Walker was being honest essay in his newsletter, "Police Chief Captain Curry's Boo Boo".  It will be good to test that proposition. 

Curry and his errand boy, Bradford Angers (cited also by Dick Russell, 1993) are blackmailing Walker for $10,000, says Walker.  (Remember that in 1963, $10,000 is like $100,000 in today's money.)

In my opinion, because Dick Russell (TMWKTM, 1993) also writes of Bradford Angers accusing Larrie and Robbie Schmidt of helping Lee Harvey Oswald shoot at General Walker -- Bradford Angers had his own JFK CT.  This is the key to my explanation.

Angers believed (correctly) that Walker and his followers killed JFK -- and Angers tried to test Walker's backbone by holding up this new manuscript by Jesse Curry, and claiming that he helped to write it, and demanded $10,000, "or else he and Curry would expose Walker's DPD Police File."

If Walker was a weak-minded sort, he would crack immediately, without reading the manuscript, with the terror of the secrets that Jesse Curry knew about Walker.  If Walker was weak, he would give Angers $10,000 in 1969 -- and $10,000 in 1970 -- and $10,000 in 1971, and so on forever.  I doubt that Jesse Curry planned this blackmail -- I think it was Angers' private plan.

Yes, Walker sneers at Chief Curry for this outrage -- after all, Angers is Curry's boy.   Walker -- who came from the US Army -- would always blame the senior officer in charge.

IMHO, the references to South America were simply playing to Walker's base audience. South America was a hotbed of Communism they believed -- and Walker fed that flame.  Also IMHO, Walker isn't blaming Curry so much for inventing the Lone Nut theory, but for caving in to the Lone Nut theory from all those Communists who were controlling Washington DC.

For General Walker, LHO was the assassin in *both* the Walker shooting and the JFK shooting, and Curry knew the truth of *both* but refused to tell the truth of either.  Walker's base was only interested in the Walker shooting.  The real crime of Jesse Curry was that he knew of a Communist plot against General Walker on April 10, 1963, and he refused to admit it!  Curry also refused to keep seeking Walker's second shooter, who was still at large!

Walker is playing to his base audience -- he's not crazy, but he is deliberately spinning fiction.  Walker knows very well that his own Minutemen among the DPD killed JFK, and that the DPD helped foster a culture that shielded them from discovery.  

Walker also knew that Jesse Curry and Will Fritz conspired to murder LHO at the DPD station.  Curry's own secrets were at least as big as Walker's.  After the JFK weekend, Curry began drinking more than usual, and in 3 years he would retire early.  This man had secrets.

A Communist plot against General Walker on April 10, 1963 wasn't one of Curry's secrets.  Yet Walker would slam Curry (and his new book) for bowing to Washington DC.  Curry was to blame for betraying the Radical Right and their dogma that all modern history was a Communist plot!  That was the dogma of General Walker's base in 1969.

As for Marina -- well, she's Russian -- so naturally she's a Communist!  But bless her heart, she admitted to the world that the same famous assassin who killed JFK was the same assassin who tried to kill General Walker!

Now -- about Walker's DPD "file" and the "blackmail."  IMHO, this was Angers' plot, and it was a bluff from beginning to end.  He was testing Walker's backbone, to see if he could crack it. 

WILLIE McDUFF:

By the way -- about Willie McDuff -- General Walker *never* accused him!  It was Robert Alan Surrey and Miss Julia Knecht, both of whom had permanent offices at Walker's home residence, who were anxious to see that Willie McDuff never came around.  For one thing, spinster Julie had diary fantasies of marrying General Walker, and a young, bisexual gigolo walking around the mansion half-dressed all the time was a shock.  

For another, Robert had a wife and children and could no longer bring them over while this gigolo was at the address.  Walker, for his part, bemoaned the loss of Willie McDuff when he learned on April 9th that Julie and Robert had moved Willie's stuff to the curb in mid-February, 1963, the day after General Walker went out on a six week, coast to coast speaking tour with segregationist Reverend Billy James Hargis.  

Walker never suspected Willie (who had gone to live with Clyde Watts in Oklahoma).  Walker even told the WC that he would welcome Wille back anytime!

THE DALLAS FBI:

Walt Brown rightly emphasizes Dick Russell's interview of Igor and Natasha Voshinin, who learned that that LHO was Walker's shooter on Easter Sunday, and immediately told the FBI.  As you say, the FBI would probably tell the DPD -- but don't forget -- they would immediately tell General Walker!  

The FBI agent on that case would be James Hosty.  The evidence that General Walker learned about LHO being one his shooters at or around Easter Sunday, 1963, is the letter with which I opened this thread last month.  The Dallas FBI is in the drink as deep as the DPD.

So -- who turned LHO loose at midnight on April 10, 1963?  Not the Dallas FBI.  It would have been (in Walker's paranoid politics) RFK, the Justice Department, the CIA and some goons from the Communist Party.

General Walker, in my reading, was good pals with Dallas FBI agent James Hosty.  Hosty was the one who warned Walker of LHO in the first place.

THE DALLAS POLICE:

By the way, in my reading, LHO never was in DPD custody in April -- so Curry had nothing to hide on that account (despite Walker).  Instead, the grain of truth in Walker's fear was as follows. (1) LHO was named as Walker's shooter four days after the Walker shooting; (2) the DPD did not arrest LHO immediately as they should have; therefore (3) it was exactly the same as if the DPD "let LHO go free."

That's the grain of truth.  If, as you say, the FBI would have told the DPD about LHO, then you're right -- we must ask why the DPD "let LHO go free."

So, here's my guess -- the FBI (i.e. James Hosty) didn't tell the DPD about LHO!  Instead, James Hosty solely and only told General Walker!   Also, as we have pondered here in the past few days, if the Radical Right in Dallas already had their hooks into LHO as early as February, 1963, then the Radical Right in the FBI would have less reason to tell the DPD.  They would have more reason to hatch a plan with General Walker about what to do about this ex-Marine "defector" run amok.

All best,
--Paul

Edited April 28, 2018 by Paul Trejo
typos

[Paul Trejo]

58 minutes ago, Jason Ward said:

...The American Nazis.   Rockwell.   Your point is that Walker was not politically sophisticated and was unable to lead public opinion in the way of LBJ or FDR.   ...But did Walker take a page out off the Nazi playbook? ...

 Jason

No, actually Walker was embarrassed when George Lincoln Rockwell entered the US Senate dressed like a Nazi, and shouting on behalf of General Walker.    Embarrassed is a mild term -- Walker was angered by the display.   Actually, when a reporter after the hearings made a joke about Rockwell, our politlcal General Walker punched the reporter in the eye!  Rockwell was crowing for his own cause, trying to steal Walker's thunder.  Rockwell would get a boost in membership -- but not Walker.

My only point was that the Radical Right hosted the type of people who followed Walker.  They might never admit their racism in public, but they would certainly buy a bumper sticker that displayed, "Impeach Earl Warren."   

Rockwell hoped to bring all the US racists out of the closet.   Trouble is -- there really wasn't enough of them in 1963, willing to come out.  Walker was harmed by Rockwell's stunt, and Walker knew it.   By the way, Jeff Caufield has some good material linking George Lincoln Rockwell with Guy Banister in New Orleans.   Interesting.

All best,
--Paul

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[Paul Trejo]

36 minutes ago, Jason Ward said:

 ...I sense Dulles was right - the true answer to the Kennedy assassination is right here in the Warren Commission evidence.   No need for creative fantasies .   

So....do you want to look at a few more police or witnesses...or move to Walker...or what?

Jason

Jason,

From this point, I'd like to look at a few more DPD Police.  This is the closest we get to conspiracy until we examine only the Radical Right in the WC testimony.   The Warren Report had a full section on the Dallas Radical Right.   The WC witnesses among them were worthy of interview -- with General Walker and Robert Alan Surrey leading the way.   Revilo P. Oliver -- the final witness -- is also interesting.

So -- let me get another list of Dallas Police.   Perhaps you might compile another list.  We could meet on this thread and compare notes about who might be best to study next.

All best,
--Paul

[Jason Ward]

2 hours ago, Paul Trejo said:

I certainly welcome your efforts to smash down my Walker-did-it CT, because you are willing to look at fresh evidence, and you don't hold some JFK CT dogma from the 1990's.

Paul, it's less about smashing down your Walker-did-it CT and more about asking you to explain yourself even if I am inclined to agree with you.   The Socratic Method.

I would like a CIA-did-it evangelist to explain and answer themselves in this way.   I've not found many that are willing to present evidence instead of conclusions.  I have found myself agreeing with Lone Nut advocates on a situational basis because of their much more strict adherence to evidence.   We're in danger of losing our history because of this dichotomy - for the general public the choices are now Lone Nut or the CIA rules the world.   

The Academy won't touch this because it is so politically charged and because there is a high degree of of correlation between those who are certain they have actually boarded an alien spacecraft and those who are certain Ruth Paine is a CIA agent.   The Vietnam War, the end of the Cold War, the 60's protest movements and other silos of American history are all well and thoroughly studied by trained, rigorous historians - but not this.

Thanks for responding to my one-day-love-affair with Walker's writing.  I'm over it now.   He may be crazy, he may be a genius, or a bit of both.   

1 hour ago, Paul Trejo said:

So -- let me get another list of Dallas Police.   Perhaps you might compile another list.  We could meet on this thread and compare notes about who might be best to study next.

Thanks, but I have no police in mind.   

My preferred role is to independently evaluate your evidence.  You're Walker's prosecutor.  Make your case.

 

Jason

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[Paul Trejo]

Jason,

OK, I have no further DPD "Minutemen" suspects in mind.   Here are another 25 Dallas Police and Deputies.   I'm fairly certain that we have not already analyzed these.   In 2013, for Dr. H.W. Brands, I summarized their WC testimony into very short first-person narratives (in most cases).  

1.   DPD Clyde Haygood:  As a motorcycle cop I sped to the Grassy Knoll area, as saw many people running up there, so I tried to run my cycle up the ramp, but it was too steep, so he just left my cycle on the curb and ran up the Grassy Knoll.  I looked behind the fence there, and saw a dozen policemen already there, looking in cars, looking through bushes, and so on.  They weren’t finding anything.  I called HQ and advised sealing off the TSBD as soon as possible.  

2.     DPD Gerald Hensley:  -- (Radio dispatcher who gives a technical defense of the Dallas Police Radio Log.  Admits that the official version is his re-write of the original.)

3.     CSD Eugene Boone:  I was out on Main and Houston standing with Deputy Mooney, and when we heard the shots I also ran across to the Grassy Knoll with Mooney and Walthers.  I watched motorcycle policeman leave his motorcycle at the curb and run up the Knoll.  I also jumped the fence, but I didn’t see anything suspicious.  Then I met a colored boy, Betzer who had taken some photos about the time of the shots, so I sent Betzer to the CSD HQ to make a formal statement.  His photos were too low to show anything, though.  Then we were ordered to search the TSBD, and I went to get flashlights since we knew we might need them where lighting might be poor.  I’m the one who found the rifle there on the sixth floor.  Somebody up there called it a Mauser, and I thought that was Captain Fritz.

4.     CSD Seymour Weitzman:  I was standing on main street with Bill Hutton and some of the other Deputies when we heard the shots.  A lot of us ran across Houston and across the lawn there and then up the Grassy Knoll and over the picket fence, where we thought the shots came from.  I burned my hands on some pipes.  Anyway, we examined all these footprints, but couldn’t figure them. There were so many officers and even Secret Service there.  We didn’t find anything.  Then we were all ordered to search the TSBD.  I was with Boone when we found the rifle.  Actually, I saw it first, because I was down on the floor, and I said softly to Boone, “There it is!”  And when he saw it he shouted out loud, “We found the rifle!” so everybody could hear him, and so he got the credit for finding it. 

5.     DPD Guy Rose:  I was off duty on Friday, but due to the crisis I decided to come in to help.  By 1:45pm I arrived at City Hall for duty, to interview witnesses and to take statements. Around 2pm my partner, Officer Stovall, came in with Lee Harvey Oswald as their prisoner.  They laid out the contents of his billfold onto the interrogation table.  I asked his name and he said, “Hidell.”   But I found two cards – one said, “Alek Hidel” and the other said “Lee Oswald.”  I asked him for his real name, and he said in effect, “That’s your problem.”  At about 2:15pm Captain Fritz instructed me to get two men and go to Oswald’s Irving address, so I chose Adamcik and Stovall.  On the way we radioed for an Irving County unit to meet us, so Detectives Harry Weatherford, and J.L. Oxford met us there – and Deputy Buddy Walthers was also with them.  We didn’t have a search warrant, so Stovall and I and a county officer knocked on the front door, which was open.  Two people sitting inside the living room on the couch, and just as soon as we walked up on the porch, Ruth Paine came to the door, and we identified ourselves, and she said, “Come right on in.  Just as soon as I heard where the shooting was, I knew someone would be out.”  I was the Senior Detective there, so I was spokesman for the group.  Stovall went into Marina Oswald’s bedroom, and I don’t remember where Adamcik went first, but I talked with Ruth Paine a few minutes and she told me that Marina was Lee Oswald’s wife, a citizen of Russia, and so I called Captain Fritz on the phone and asked him if there were any special instructions, and he said, “Well, ask her if her husband has a rifle.”  I asked Ruth and she said “no,” but she translated for Marina who said, “Yes, he does have.”  Through Ruth I asked Marina to show me his rifle and Marina pointed to the garage and we went to the garage and she pointed to a blanket that was rolled up and laying on the floor near the wall of the garage.  It was tied at one end; it was rolled up, but it flattened out from laying down and tied near the middle with a cord.  So I picked the blanket up, but it was empty; it had no rifle in it.  We now had firm evidence – not the blanket, but Marina’s testimony.  So we had to get it on the record.  But before we could take them to the station, we had to deal with the issue of babysitting.  Michael Paine also came in and he told Ruth Paine, “Just as soon as I heard where it happened, I knew you would need some help.”  He didn’t have much to add however.  Eventually we got a babysitter for Ruth Paine’s children, people they knew, and decided that Marina would bring her two babies, because they didn’t know anybody else.  We took Ruth Paine, Marina, her two children and the blanket, in our car.  Michael Paine drove himself.  The Homicide office was so crowded with news media that we escorted them to the Forgery Bureau next door. Detective Senkel took their affidavits, and I tried to locate Wesley Frazier.  I eventually brought Frazier in with his sister, Linnie Mae Randle, and took written affidavits.   On Saturday morning we went out to Irving again with a search warrant.  We searched the garage which is where almost all of Oswald’s property was.  I found the photograph of Lee Oswald holding a rifle with a pistol at his hip, including the negative.  Detective McCabe found another pose of Oswald holding the rifle.  Then, late that evening, between 9 and 10pm, I helped guard Oswald during an interrogation by Captain Fritz, Detective Sims, an FBI agent and a Secret Service agent, there inside Captain Fritz’s office.  Then I took that photo of Oswald holding the rifle to the ID bureau to get an 8” by 10” enlargement.  I brought this back to show Captain Fritz and he asked for Oswald so he could confront him with it.  Oswald accused the DPD of photo fakery, and even denied that this was his face.  When he was asked about the JFK assassination or about Tippit, he would only talk about how conditions were better for colored people in Russia.  That was the only interrogation I witnessed.  I remember nothing else that was said in that interrogation.  I took no further part in Oswald searches.    

6.     DPD Richard Stovall:  I was off shift when I saw the news on TV.  I just got dressed and went to HQ, arriving around 2pm, just about the same time Oswald was being led in.  I took Oswald’s wallet and asked about his Alek Hidell ID card.  He refused to answer me. Around 2:15pm Captain Fritz ordered me, and Officers Moore, Rose and Adamcik to Oswald’s Irving address.  We arrived in Irving around 2:40pm and had to wait for local police, too, since Irving is outside our jurisdiction.  About 3:15 they local officers Weatherford and Oxford, along with Deputy Buddy Walthers finally arrived.  We knocked on the door and Mrs. Ruth Paine said, ‘Come in, we’ve been expecting you.  You’re here about the mess on TV.’  So, we interviewed Ruth Paine and Ruth Paine also translated for Marina Oswald; and we searched their house.  We found many items of interest that we confiscated for further research.  Then Marina volunteered that Oswald kept his rifle in a blanket in the garage, and she showed us the blanket, but it was empty.  So, after working out babysitting issues, we took Ruth Paine and Marina Oswald down to DPD HQ to answer more questions.  Ruth Paine’s husband, Michael Paine, also arrived sometime during that search, and he came with us. I myself just left that to others, and I make a list of all the items we confiscated from the Irving address.  So, that’s all I did on the investigation.  We took this Hidell ID off of Oswald, and then in the Irving garage we found some negatives that showed he was making fake ID’s and Selective Service cards. 

7.      DPD John Adamcik:  This was my day off, but I was called in for duty to help with the crisis.  At about 2pm I was ordered to join a DPD party to search the home of Mrs. Paine in Irving, Texas. By 3:15 we were finally ready to move in.  I went around the back of the house with the two officers, just in case there was trouble, but there wasn’t any trouble, and Officer Rose opened the back door and let us inside.  We began a search of every room, looking for clues, especially weapons, or subversive literature suggesting a plot to kill the President.  When Marina said that Oswald had a rifle in their garage, but it was missing now, we decided that was enough, and that we had to take her in for questioning.  But she didn’t speak English, so we had to take Ruth Paine, her translator, too.  But Ruth Paine needed babysitters for her two babies.  Anyway, by 5:15pm we finally took them to DPD HQ and I guarded the interrogation room.  Between 7 and 8pm Oswald’s mother and brother came to visit him and I escorted them.  At 9pm I returned the Paines and Marina and her two babies back to Irving.  By 10pm I was back at HQ, and I stood by Captain Fritz who was still interrogating Oswald. I went home at 2am.  On Saturday, at 11am, we took a truck to Paine’s home and really went to town searching the place.  Ruth and Michael Paine were there and just invited us in, carte blanche.  They went grocery shopping, and they asked us to lock the door when we left.  We stood there almost five hours, and the Paine’s never returned, but we took a lot of stuff.  By 4pm we arrived back at DPD HQ, and started making out our inventory list, which we submitted to the WC.  Later, Officer Moore and I returned to Irving to fetch Michael Paine to take his affidavit.

8.     DPD Henry Moore:  I was scheduled to come to work that Friday at 4pm, but because of the crisis I arrived at DPD HQ a little before 2pm.  I mostly answered telephones, but around 6pm Captain Fritz sent me and a team out to 1026 North Beckley to search Oswald’s room.  We got a search warrant from Judge David Johnston, who also showed up there with Assistant DA Bill Alexander and Detective F.M. Turner.  We confiscated everything in the room.  Many items were interesting, for example, a downtown Dallas map with several marks on it – that was probably the main thing.  Also, a gun holster for a .38 pistol, matching Oswald’s .38 pistol exactly. Also some letters and papers in Russian.  If anybody went back the following day, they found nothing, because we brought everything from that tiny, 4x12 room. We made out “City of Dallas property clerk receipts #11,194G through #11,200G”.  We gave this to the WC.  Some other interesting items were: (a) a World Health Organization vaccination card in the name of Lee Oswald, by vaccinator A.J. Hidell; (b) a passport; (c) application for a Texas driver’s license, #450.  The next day I reported for work around 10am.  I answered telephones for a while, and then I went out with Stovall, Rose and Adamcik to 2515 West Fifth Street in Irving in a truck to search that residence.  We had a search warrant and an Irving officer with us.  The residents just let us have our run of the place as they went shopping.  The most interesting moment was when Officer Rose found the picture of Oswald holding the rifle. After that we returned to HQ and made out our official list. Then, Mr. Adamcik and I went back to the Irving residence and brought Michael Paine to the office to make out an affidavit.  I talked to him for a while.  Then I took the affidavit.  That was the end of my duty that day. On Sunday I was off-duty, until Oswald was killed.  Then I returned to work about 1pm mainly to do paperwork.  Then Officer Rose and I were sent to search Ruby’s apartment by using a search warrant from Judge Joe B. Brown at his residence.

9.     DPD Eugene Potts:  This was my day off, but by 1pm I heard the news and by 2pm I was at HQ taking affidavits from all these witnesses. At 3pm Captain Fritz directed me and Officers Senkel, Turner, Moore and Cunningham to go to Oswald’s rooming house.  We did and we brought back every last little thing from inside that tiny, 4x12 foot room.  It didn’t take very long; by 5pm we were back at HQ.  On Saturday I came to work at 10am to answer phones.  Then, at 2:15pm, I was asked to serve as a guard for Oswald’s line-up, so I did.  Oswald complained that he was the only one with a T-shirt on. On Sunday I was off-duty again, until after Oswald was killed, and then I was asked to come in again to answer phones.

10.  DPD C.N. Dhority:  I was off-duty that day, but I was summoned shortly after 1:30 by Lieutenant Wells.  I arrived at HQ at 2pm, and answered telephones for the entire afternoon. I once saw Oswald sitting in Captain Fritz’s office.  I never attended any interrogation.  My first participation was at 6pm, when Detective Brown and myself got organized a show-up (or line-up) for bus driver McWatters and took his affidavit.  I stood with McWatters during the showup at about 6:30pm.  I did not talk to the witnesses, but there were more.  I learned later their names were Sam Guinyard and Ted Callaway, who did identify Oswald.  The bus driver McWatters was less certain, but he positively identified the bus ticket found in Oswald’s pocket, because his ticket punch has a distinct shape to it.  But other than that he was uncertain, because it involved an incident of somebody grinning when a woman said that JFK had been shot.  He couldn’t be sure it was the same man.  Later Captain Fritz give me three spent 6.5 rifle shells to deliver to Lieutenant Day at the Crime Lab.  Captain Fritz told me to bring one shell back.  So I did, in an envelope, and Lieutenant Day kept two shells.  (a) I was present when paraffin casts were made of Oswald’s hands and his face.  (b) I also attended another show-up.  About 7:30pm, Lieutenant Wells sent me and C.W. Brown out to Mrs. Wells home out in Oak Cliff, 400 East 10^th, to drive her and her sister to the station: Virginia and Mrs. Jeanette Davis Wells.  I took an affidavit from Virginia Wells, who also gave me a .38 hull.  She said that she found it in her front yard.  I later gave that to Lieutenant Day at the Crime Lab.  They also identified Oswald as the man they saw reloading his pistol while running across their front lawn. Officer Brown took the affidavit from Jeanette Wells.  The rest of the day I worked the phones, that never stopped ringing. (c) Now, on Saturday the 23^rd, I took supported another show-up for cab drivers Whaley and Scoggins.  They both identified Oswald.  Then I was present on Sunday the 24^th, when Captain Fritz’ asked for Oswald at his office one last time.  At about 9:30am I went to the jail with Leavelle and Graves and brought Oswald down to Captain Fritz, SS agents Kelley and Sorrels and Mr. Holmes of the Post Office.  Oswald was not nervous; he was calm and fresh.  A little after 11am Captain Fritz gave me the keys to his car and told me to bring it in front of the jail office to transport Oswald down to the County Jail.  I don’t recall anything that was said, and I took no notes.  Because it was cold we gave Oswald a sweater to wear.  Leavelle and Graves handcuffed Oswald to themselves, and when Captain Fritz came out the jail door with Leavelle, Oswald, Graves, Johnson and Montgomery.  (d) Captain Fritz reached over to the car door and I was turned around to see about backing up – and I saw someone run across the end of the car real rapid like.  I thought it was somebody running to take a picture and then I saw a hand come out and I heard the shot.  I rode in the ambulance with Oswald to the hospital.  I held his pulse all the way there.  When he went into the operating room, Detective Graves went in with him.  Captain Fritz told me to arrange for the security of Oswald in the hospital, but when I spoke with Mr. Price, hospital administrator, we got word that Oswald was dead.  So then I made arrangements for Oswald’s mother and wife to look at Oswald’s body and then carried him to the morgue where I got Dr. Rose to photograph him with color pictures before he did the autopsy. 

11.  DPD Detective Robert Studebaker:  I was on duty at the Crime Lab, and about 1:05pm we got a call to go down to the TSBD.  Lieutenant Day and I arrived about 1:15pm.  We took all our camera equipment and fingerprint kits, and at the entrance they directed us to the 6th floor.  They hadn’t found anything when we got there.  After we were there a little while, somebody found three empty shells in the southeast corner of the building – and we went over there and took photographs of that.  I took two of the photographs and Lieutenant Day took two. These were taken before anything was ever moved or picked up.  Soon after we took our photographs, somebody found a rifle, and we were asked to come and photograph that.  We came back later that day to take more photographs of the scene and of the building inside and outside.

12.   DPD Detective J.B. Hicks:   I was off that day but I got to work somewhere around 3pm.  At the TSBD Chief Lumpkin told me Lieutenant Day was on the 6th floor with Detective Studebaker were still there.  Lieutenant Day was dusting for fingerprints and Mr. Studebaker was taking some pictures, and I assisted him in moving his equipment back and forth.  All the action was already over when I arrived.  I did take a set of Oswald’s fingerprints about 9pm there in Captain Fritz’ office.  Also, I helped Sergeant Barnes made the paraffin cast on Oswald.  Oswald didn’t protest; he was willing and had no comment on it.  We were all pretty well busy until about 2:30 in the morning, mostly regular office work – ensuring we got a picture of this or a picture of that.  That’s about it. I wasn’t present when Oswald was arraigned in the ID bureau.  I left after 2am, but I think he was arraigned after I left.  I am rather certain, because I believe I would have known about it had he been arraigned before I left, because there is only one door in our office to go out and had any other group been there, I would have noticed it. As for talking with Oswald, I only asked him his name when I made his fingerprints and I did not otherwise question him or go to any details in talking to him.  I was never present at any line-ups of Oswald.  I made no fingerprint study in this case, and no palm-print study.  I never compared the prints I took of Oswald with any print from the TSBD.  I never saw a paper sack in the items taken from the TSBD.  Someone else had gathered that up. 

13.  DPD Lieutenant T.L. Baker:   I prepared Commission Document 81-B for Captain Fritz.  (This documents the physical location of Oswald inside the various rooms of the DPD station, from around midnight Friday 22 November 1963 until about 2am.)

14.  DPD Edgar Smith:  I was on foot patrol 40 feet south of Elm, on the east curb of Houston.  I thought the shots came from the Grassy Knoll, and I ran up there with my gun out.  I saw nobody up there except other policemen.  So I just returned to my post to work traffic for the rest of the day, since that was really needed.

15.  DPD Earl Brown:  (Railroad overpass patrol.  Saw the JFK Assassination, but did not see clear signs of a suspect.)  

16.  DPD J.W. Foster:  (Railroad overpass patrol.  Saw the JFK Assassination, but did not see clear signs of a suspect.) 

17.  DPD J.C. White:   (Railroad overpass patrol.  Saw the JFK Assassination, but did not see clear signs of a suspect.)

18.  DPD Joe Murphy:   (Railroad overpass patrol.  Saw the JFK Assassination, but did not see clear signs of a suspect.)

19.  DPD C.T. Walker:  I was stationed out at the 10^th Street Fire Station in Oak Cliff.  At 12:50 I joined the team at the TSDB front steps screening IDs in and out.  At 1:20pm I heard about the Tippit murder in Oak Cliff, and I drove there with two newspaper men.  They were taking pictures and I was one of the officers to capture Oswald at about 1:50.

20.  DPD Ray Hawkins:  I was working on traffic accident patrol and listening to the events of the day on the DPD radio, when around 1:15 I heard about the murder of Officer Tippit in Oak Cliff.  So, I drove down there with Officers Baggett and Hudson.  By the time we got there all the commotion was at the Texas Theater, so we drove around the back and went inside and we joined the party of about six or seven to arrest Oswald there.  He put up a fight, punching Officer McDonald with his right fist, and he pulled a gun but we took it from him and took him outside, protecting him from the wild crowd out there.  I held the public back as other officers put Oswald in a car to take him to the station.  Then I drove back to the station with Officer Bagget.   

21.  DPD W.E. Perry:  On that day I was on duty in the Vice squad.  I was asked to take part in a line-up about 4:35pm; and again at 6:30pm. 

22.  DPD Richard Clark:  I was at work on 22nd of November 1963.  About 4:30pm Officer Perry and I were called by Captain Fritz to pretend to be prisoners.  We took off our coats and ties and I put on a red vest from the line-up wardrobe.  My right wrist was handcuffed to Oswald’s left wrist.  Perry was handcuffed to the other side of Oswald.  Mr. Ables was handcuffed to my left wrist.  Perry was #1; Oswald was #2; I was #3; and Ables was #4.… 

23.  DPD Don Ables:  I was on duty November 22, 1963.  About 4:30pm I participated in a line-up with Oswald because Sergeant Duncan asked me to.  I was the #4 man in the line-up.   

24.  FBI Clements Manning: I was on another assignment when I was asked to become the liaison between the Dallas FBI and the DPD Homicide Bureau.  Agent Bookhout and I had no idea who this person was, or what his role really was.  I simply watched Oswald all Friday night with everybody else.  At 11:30pm I interview Oswald briefly about his Alek Hidell ID, but he didn’t tell me anything.  

25.   DPD James Leavelle: My participation in the crisis of the Presidential assassination was only my Sunday project to escort Oswald out of the City Jail into a car to take him to the County Jail…We were expecting that our car would be across the passageway of the jail corridor, and that we would have to walk only a straight line from the door, about 14 feet to the car.  We asked Captain Fritz to give us the OK sign, and he said, “Everything is all set.”  However, the car wasn’t in the expected position!  I was surprised when I walked to the door and the car was not in the spot it should have been!  …The spot where Oswald was killed was exactly the spot that the car was supposed to be! 

Looking at these remaining 25 Dallas Officers who played some direct role with regard to Lee Harvey Oswald on 11/22/1963 to 11/24/1963, no further DPD "Minutemen" suspects jump out at me.  Here are my remarks:

A. I am still suspicious of anybody dealing with Ruth Paine.  Her phone was tapped on 11/22/1963, and the contents of that tapping were used in an FBI report that the Paines said they "knew" who killed JFK.  Michael Paine had to testify to the WC about it.  

B.  This means to me that the JFK plotters had originally intended to drag the Paines into the JFK murder by implying some Communist Connections with them.   Buddy Walthers (as I've already suggested) was one of the leaders in that subplot.

C.   I don't see any clear plotters in the list of the above 25.   They might show up later, however.   Do any stand out for you?

If not -- then here's my next plan.   James Hosty was accused of telling DPD Lieutenant Jack Revill only minutes after Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested, that Hosty personally knew that LHO was a dangerous Communist, capable of killing JFK.   Jack Revill was stunned by this statement, so he immediately went back to his office, told his secretary to work late that day, and he wrote an official report about it.   She typed it up and processed it officially.   This came up for the WC.  It is almost a guarantee that Jack Revill was not a part of the JFK plot (or that he was tending to crack). 

All best,
--Paul

Edited April 30, 2018 by Paul Trejo
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[Michael Clark]

Dallas Mayor During JFK Assassination Was CIA Asset

Here is the first major revelation from the historic release of previously withheld government records on the JFK Assassination: the mayor of Dallas when President John F. Kennedy was killed in that city was a CIA asset.

We were alerted to this salient fact by retired military intelligence officer and author John Newman, who is conducting a thorough analysis of the long-secret documents.

At the time of the assassination, Dallas Mayor Earle Cabell, brother of one-time Deputy Director of Central Intelligence Charles P. Cabell, had been a CIA asset since 1956.

It is worth noting that Kennedy dismissed CIA Director Allen Dulles in November 1961, and that Earle Cabell’s brother Charles left the CIA on January 31, 1962, after Kennedy forced him to resign. Thus, both Dulles and Charles Cabell were no longer working for the CIA on November 22, 1963, when Kennedy was killed.

Earle Cabell, who had been elected mayor of Dallas in May 1961, oversaw arrangements for Kennedy’s trip and motorcade, which took him through Dealey Plaza, a route that violated almost all standard rules for presidential safety — and where normal safeguards, such as sealing windows and placing sharpshooters, were ignored. This is of interest to researchers into the assassination, who have been collecting evidence of CIA ties to a host of individuals who figure in the events of 11/22/63 (see also WhoWhatWhy Editor-in-Chief Russ Baker’s Family of Secrets for more on this topic.)

Below is Earle Cabell’s 10/17/56 CIA Secrecy Agreement, his CIA 201 file cover sheet (a “personality” file opened on actual or potential agents, assets, or informants), his 5/13/57 CIA Personality 201 File Request, and a cover sheet indicating that the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) reviewed his 201 file.

It is quite remarkable both that this document was withheld all these years under the criterion that it was “Not Believed Relevant” (NBR) to the Kennedy assassination. Judge John Tunheim, who led the JFK Assassination Records Review Board, a 1990s successor to the HSCA, recently said he now believes that many of the NBR-designated documents are indeed relevant.

This raises the question of who is determining which documents to release, what training they receive, and under what instructions they operate.

https://whowhatwhy.org/2017/08/02/dallas-mayor-jfk-assassination-cia-asset/

 

Edited April 28, 2018 by Michael Clark

[Paul Brancato]

Michael - thanks for posting this and elaborating a bit. I will check Russ Bakers book which I have. There seems to be no sure evidence of who arranged the motorcade route. 

[Ron Bulman]

5 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Michael - thanks for posting this and elaborating a bit. I will check Russ Bakers book which I have. There seems to be no sure evidence of who arranged the motorcade route. 

A point to ponder?  No matter who arranged the route the Secret Service had final approval over it.  They could have altered it if they doubted it's safety.  Or done more to scout and protect it.

And yes Michael, excellent post.  I never knew the details and thought JFK asked for General Cabell's resignation at the same time as Dulles.  An interesting point that he didn't but still felt or acquired the perceived need to three months later.

[Michael Clark]

23 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

A point to ponder?  No matter who arranged the route the Secret Service had final approval over it.  They could have altered it if they doubted it's safety.  Or done more to scout and protect it.

And yes Michael, excellent post.  I never knew the details and thought JFK asked for General Cabell's resignation at the same time as Dulles.  An interesting point that he didn't but still felt or acquired the perceived need to three months later.

To be sure, I did not write any of that. It is an article that I shared. I have added a link to that article.

[Paul Brancato]

I can’t help but wonder if Jason gets a little annoyed with Paul T when he decides what’s up next. Jason clearly wants to move on to Walker himself. Meanwhile Paul T (let’s give some credit) provides biographical and testimony info on nearly every Dallas cop and detective. What I wish they would do is add the military background and reserve military duty membership of the Dallas policemen as well as their associations with right wing orgs. I’m all ears about Walker, and waiting to see what they find.