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12 hours ago, Jason Ward said:

Hi Paul,

Your question is interesting.   I might say your question is another way of asking: What has New Orleans got to do with the assassination?   

From a historiography perspective, New Orleans is relevant because that's where Jim Garrison did most of his work.   But didn't Jim Garrison say the CIA-did-it, both in his books and in the Oliver Stone movie JFK?

1. Serious students of the assassination believe LHO is a right winger?.........(according to Jim Garrison)

2. The CIA analysis of Jim Garrison's work invokes the extreme Right, so why is the CIA concerned?
3. Guy Bannister was an extreme right winger or a CIA operative?

4. Does David Ferrie reactivate his former teenage student Lee Harvey Oswald into the Anti-Castro efforts in New Orleans as Garrison says?

5. Is Garrison telling us that Oswald's patsyhood and the entire assassination begin with the 21JUL63 FBI raid on the anti-Castro Cuban camp at Lake Pontchartrain?

Hi Jason,

The problem of Jim Garrison is one of the most interesting in all of 20th cetury US history.  Jim Garrison surprised the world with his material evidence that New Orleans was a key feature of the JFK assassination.

Jeff Caufield (2015) who maintains a Walker-did-it CT, says that he had access to all of Jim Garrison's papers in his reasearch.  

Jeff Caufield told me personally that in his opinion, Jim Garrison's first CT was that the Radical-Right-did-it, and that he only changed his position when he realized he would get no official help from anybody in the US Government (or in Dallas) for his important research.  It was a matter of personal safety that led Garrison to blame the CIA -- because the CIA does not hit back.

To address your numbered questions and documented sources:

1. I wholeheartedly agree with Jim Garrison that "serious students" of the JFK Assassination believe that LHO was a right winger.  

*** I myself maintain that LHO was an extreme right-winger in New Orleans.  

*** LHO was also a moderate right-winger (a Marine) since 1957, except for one brief period in early 1963, when he came under the influence of George De Mohrenschildt, a braggart who put on airs of being a CIA agent.  Actually, George did some Russian translation for the FBI and CIA on occasion, and was certainly never a CIA official.

*** Yet, believing that George De Mohrenschildt was a CIA operative, and might help get LHO a job in the CIA, our young LHO clung to old George.  

*** When George DM made it clear to LHO that George hated General Walker with a purple passion, our young and naive LHO made fast plans to please George by killing General Walker.   (That's been my CT for longer than I've been on this Forum).

*** George DM and his young engineer pal, Volkmar Schmidt, who both bad-mouthed General Walker -- certainly didn't want LHO to kill General Walker.  They were both shocked by this outrage, and they distanced themselves from LHO immediately and forever.

*** After this stupid act -- which LHO probably regretted as soon as he saw that George and Volkmar ran away -- LHO returned to the Right wing.

*** Why LHO moved to New Orleans -- within days after the Walker shooting -- is unclear to all CTers for the past half-century.

*** In my CT, General Walker learned of LHO's name (from Voshinin/FBI) in connection with this attempt on his life, and called his friends in the Right Wing immediately (Easter Sunday 14 April 1963). 

*** Walker quickly learned from his many rightist contacts in New Orleans that David Ferrie, who worked closely under Guy Banister, had known LHO since childhood.

*** In my CT, Walker, Banister, Ferrie and Shaw hatched a plan to get revenge on LHO (starting on Easter Sunday 14 April 1963).  

*** If LHO wanted to be in the CIA so badly, they would promise LHO a guaranteed job in the CIA.  All LHO had to do was to kill Fidel Castro.

*** According to their secret plan, if LHO could kill Fidel Castro, he would be forgiven.  Otherwise, LHO would be framed so perfectly that LHO could be killed anywhere in the USA with impunity.

2.  There is never any reason to bring the CIA into the JFK Assassination when all the material evidence points to the Radical Right wing.  They are two, vastly separate entities.  

*** According to Jeff Caufield, the original work of Jim Garrison was a focus on the Radical Right wing -- and he could get data on New Orleans players, but he failed to get information on Dallas players.  He turned to the CIA-did-it CT for sheer safety.

3.  The same applies to Guy Banister.  When we recognize that he was a Radical Right leader -- a racist who ran for public office on the platform of racially segregating Louisiana Public Schools -- there is no need to bring the CIA into the picture. 

4.  I think that Jim Garrison is 100% correct to recognize that David Ferrie reactivated his former teenage student Lee Harvey Oswald into Radical Right politics in New Orleans.  

*** Jim Garrison did historians a massive service -- single-handedly -- with his discovery of a Radical Right plot in New Orleans to frame LHO as a Fake FPCC Communist.

5.  I personally doubt that Oswald's patsyhood began with the 21 July 1963 FBI raid on the Cuba Raid camp at Lake Pontchartrain, led by David Ferrie on land owned by Carlos Marcello. 

*** As an aside, the name of Carlos Marcello was an alias.   It means 'Karl Marx' in Spanish.  It was a joke, of course.  Even Mafia bosses have a sense of humor.

*** In my opinion, since Oswald created a Fake FPCC in May 1963, his patsification began after the Walker shooting.  I think the timeline supports this theory.

*** Now, it may be possible that Walker and Banister obtained extra support from their Rightist lackeys, like Gerry Patrick Hemming, Loran Hall and Larry Howard, to kill JFK on the basis of this FBI shutdown of their Cuba Raid camp on 21 July 1963.

*** It is likely that the JFK Assassination itself was not hatched early in the year, but it became more and more plausible as the year unfolded.

*** It is interesting that LHO was in New Orleans when this FBI raid occurred on a Cuba Raid camp in which LHO was involved.

*** Yet the first stirrings of the JFK Assassination -- in my opinion -- can be seen in the murder of NAACP hero Medgar Evers in his driveway in Mississippi very early in the morning of 12 June 1963.

*** On the night of 11 June 1963 JFK appeared on television to announce that he supported Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. in his plea for Civil Rights in the USA.

*** Actually, it was less than six hours after this JFK speech that Medgar Evers was shot and killed. 

*** Medgar Evers was best known for advising James Meredith in his bid to be the first Black American to attend Ole Miss University in September 1962.

*** It was at Ole Miss that General Walker took his greatest political defeat -- not only in the failure of his massive and deadly protest march at Ole Miss on 30 September 1962, but also in Walker's involuntary commitment to a US Army insane asylum the very next morning, on 01 October 1962, ordered by JFK and RFK.

All best,
--Paul

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12 hours ago, Paul Trejo said:

Jeff Caufield told me personally that in his opinion, Jim Garrison's first CT was that the Radical-Right-did-it,

 

Hi Paul,

Obviously I have no doubt Dr Caufield told you that Garrison's first CT was a Radical-Right-did-it explanation for the assassination.   I believe that Caufield inspected Garrison's files and today we find evidence as to why Caufield would tell you this (see document 1 below).   However, I have to be honest and say that once believing the Radical Right is to blame and then switching to a CIA-did-it narrative really doesn't make sense.

 

1. According to Jim Garrison's discovered witness Rudloph Davis, the Lake Pontchartrain training camp was a creation of the John Birch Society.  In interviews, Garrison says the FBI raid on this camp is the last straw that solidifies anti-JFK sentiment and begins the assassination plans.   So why does assassination lore equate the camp, David Ferrie, and the CIA?   Why not the JBS instead?

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SOURCE

1 - HSCA Segregated CIA files, Jim Garrison Investigations, Reel 25, Folder F, Volume 4, NARA 1994.05.06.08:46:54:280005

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Paul what do you think of individuals such as David Morales, William King Harvey? Rip Robertson? or Felipe Vidal Santiago? I don't mean to put you on the spot with individuals such as these (these are just a quick few I thought of and who would require volumes or hours of discussion) but your general view of them in the context of possible JFK assassination conspirators? 

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On 5/22/2018 at 12:07 PM, Jason Ward said:

Hi Paul,

Obviously I have no doubt Dr Caufield told you that Garrison's first CT was a Radical-Right-did-it explanation for the assassination.   I believe that Caufield inspected Garrison's files and today we find evidence as to why Caufield would tell you this (see document 1 below).   However, I have to be honest and say that once believing the Radical Right is to blame and then switching to a CIA-did-it narrative really doesn't make sense.

1. According to Jim Garrison's discovered witness Rudloph Davis, the Lake Pontchartrain training camp was a creation of the John Birch Society.  In interviews, Garrison says the FBI raid on this camp is the last straw that solidifies anti-JFK sentiment and begins the assassination plans.   So why does assassination lore equate the camp, David Ferrie, and the CIA?   Why not the JBS instead?

Hi Jason,

The work of Jim Garrison shows a large quantity of investigation of the Radical Right in Louisiana and the USA South generally, and then he suddenly shifted to blaming the CIA near the end of his work, in 1968, when the Trial of Clay Shaw came to court (with flimsy evidence).

The turning point was possibly when David Ferrie turned up dead -- either by suicide or murder.   If it was a murder, I see no reason to blame the CIA rather than to blame the Radical Right.   The Radical Right was just as willing to commit murder for its cause as any other fanatical group.   (The murder of Medgar Evers on June 12, 1963, and the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church on September 15, 1963, provide sufficient evidence.)

With the death of David Ferrie on February 22, 1967, the case of Jim Garrison was also dead.   This may have contributed to his change of heart.

One should know something about the John Birch Society, however.   Even though most JBS members were middle class true-believers who never suspected foul play in the group -- those who organized it from the beginning knew the model -- in fighting the "Communist Party model" of local activism, the JBS imitated the Communist Party model of local activism.   This was part of its vast power in the South -- the JBS consisted of local cells with an organized head which was well-funded.

At a certain point, its allies included the coast-to-coast, heavily armed militia of the Minutemen.    This was no militia of the US government.  This was a coast-to-coast militia dedicated to toppling the US Government, which it called the "Eastern Establishment."   They convinced each other that Washington DC was Communist, through and through.   Based on this ideology, JFK was "wanted for treason."

Yet Jim Garrison could not find enough data to solve his case.  He had hoped that somebody in Dallas would step forward.   To push this along, he floated a lie that he really had some secret person in Dallas already, who was gathering all available data.  Yet  the plotters in Dallas merely had to stick together and keep their mouths shut.  This alone would guarantee that Jim Garrison's case would fail. 

All best,
--Paul

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On 5/22/2018 at 6:44 PM, B. A. Copeland said:

Paul what do you think of individuals such as David Morales, William King Harvey? Rip Robertson? or Felipe Vidal Santiago? I don't mean to put you on the spot with individuals such as these (these are just a quick few I thought of and who would require volumes or hours of discussion) but your general view of them in the context of possible JFK assassination conspirators? 

B.A. Copeland,

In general, I have carefully examined the careers of these individuals in relation to the CIA-did-it CT when I was a CIA-did-it CTer 15 years ago.

I am confident that David Morales was involved in the JFK Assassination at a lower level, as a rogue CIA officer.   I am confident that Morales recruited the mercenary (and sometime CIA asset) Frank Sturgis to cooperate in this plot -- and I am confident that Frank Sturgis recruited CIA officer E. Howard Hunt.  I am confident in these three, because they all confessed to an involvement.    Nevertheless, I also feel confident that just because these three confessed to a role in the JFK Assassination, is no reason to jump to the conclusion that the CIA-did-it.

Not in the slightest.   Actually, all it means is that two rogue CIA officers, and one mercenary confessed to a role in the JFK Assassination.   Yet how did they act, then, as rogues?   In my CT, they all joined a Civilian JFK plot, namely, the one led in Dallas by General Walker.

As for William Harvey -- I find no role at all for him.   We cannot claim that everybody who hated JFK and RFK was a plotter in the Dallas murder of JFK.   William Harvey admittedly hated RFK and JFK -- and would have joined a plot if he could -- but by 1963 he was living in Italy with a reputation of being a total drunkard from morning until night.   He was an alcoholic -- a ruined man.   While it is true that several Cuba raiders referred to Harvey's guidelines for political assassination, these were not unique plans.

Rip Robertson is more complicated.  A CIA officer in the 1940's, and an active agent in South American politics, and one of the players in the Bay of Pigs invasion, he was deeply resentful of JFK and RFK following the failure of the Bay of Pigs.   Then he joined JM WAVE station in Miami, and became part of the Bayo-Pawley mission to intercept two ranking Soviet defectors in Cuba.   David Morales was also part of that mission, and so was John Martino.  

Larry Hancock maintains that John Martino had first-hand knowledge of the JFK Assassination, and I place a lot of weight in Larry Hancock's objective scholarship (as well as in his scholastic relationship with Bill Simpich).   As with David Morales and E. Howard Hunt, I can accept the status of Rip Robertson as a rogue CIA guy who joined the Civilian plot in Dallas.  (Larry Hancock, for example, records that John Martino was an active speaker in the John Birch Society in 1963.)

Like Frank Sturgis, civilian John Martino was no CIA officer, but only a fanatic mercenary.    Other civilian names associated with Rip Robertson include Roy Hargraves, Gerry Patrick Hemming and Felipe Vidal Santiago.   Santiago was a Cuban naval officer who opposed Fidel Castro in 1959.  In 1961 he joined Interpen,  along with Hemming, HargravesLoran Hall and Larry Howard, and made Cuba raids with them.   According to Dick Russell (TMWKTM, 1993) Felipe Santiago was an information channel General Walker in Dallas.   Larry Hancock (SWHT, 2003) agrees with this.

Some researchers claim that they have photographic evidence of Felipe Santiago on the Grassy Knoll with Roy Hargraves.   Some claim photo evidence of Rip Robertson on the corner of Main and Houston in Dealey Plaza.   

I accept as a good possibility that these Radical Right mercenaries eventually joined a plot with CIA rogues to support General Walker in a Dallas-based plot to kill JFK.   The only question is the role that they played.   For example, E. Howard Hunt himself claimed to have a role "on the sidelines."   

Felipe Santiago reported that General Walker at one point "lost interest in the Cuban Exiles."  If that's correct, then that was because he had enough fanatical, local volunteers among the Radical Right inside Dallas.

BOTTOM LINE:  No CIA plot.   These players worked within a local Dallas plot, led by General Walker.  I think Felipe Santiago's mention -- along with Gerry Patrick Hemming's mention, and Loran Hall's mention of General Walker -- provides ample reason to keep digging inside Dallas.   There's my opinion.

All best,
--Paul

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9 hours ago, Paul Trejo said:

I accept as a good possibility that these Radical Right mercenaries eventually joined a plot with CIA rogues to support General Walker in a Dallas-based plot to kill JFK. 

Hi Paul,

I think some of those who have the CIA running the assassination likewise incorporate some rogue Radical Right players as an admitted possibility.   The problem in all theories is in connecting an identifiable leader with the ground crew in Dallas.

In this thread we've spotted cops who are obviously part of the conspiracy.   But who are the cops in bed with, or following?   

IMO the likes of Buddy Walthers are ideologically, culturally, and of course physically closer to General Walker and the southern Radical Right than anyone in Washington or the CIA.   In many cases these cop types in Dallas distrust or sometimes despise the entire federal apparatus, CIA/FBI included.   I think it's farfetched to imagine Sheriff Decker working with east coast elites like the Dulles brothers or Bush family.

All CTs are missing a link.

 

Jason

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16 hours ago, Jason Ward said:

Hi Paul,

I think some of those who have the CIA running the assassination likewise incorporate some rogue Radical Right players as an admitted possibility.   The problem in all theories is in connecting an identifiable leader with the ground crew in Dallas.

 

Jason

Absolutely,

And  not conversely but inherently in Paul Trejo’s argument, the main players were ALL CIA, but they were on a lunch-break at 12:30 on 11-22-63; i.e, they were rogue CIA conspirators. For Paul Trejo, defining those who were rogue CIA is simply a matter of identifying those CIA agents who were involved. Paul Trejo is a CIA apologist. 

Figuritively, I am a hare’s breath (or is it a Hair’s breadth) from you guys on our CT’s. You have a Dallas Cop or Minuteman firing from the knoll and being (figuratively) tossed in a trunk and spirited away; while I have an Anti-Castro Cuban firing from the knoll and (figuratively) disposed-of in the same manner.

I know you don’t like being pegged as a CTer, Jason, but, you are. You simply raise numerous CT’s as plausible and stand behind none; while Paul Trejo stands behind one, pretending he can make of it whatever he would like it to be, at any turn.

In any event, Jason, thanks for the digging; it IS work. 

 

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23 hours ago, Jason Ward said:

Hi Paul,

I think some of those who have the CIA running the assassination likewise incorporate some rogue Radical Right players as an admitted possibility.   The problem in all theories is in connecting an identifiable leader with the ground crew in Dallas.

In this thread we've spotted cops who are obviously part of the conspiracy.   But who are the cops in bed with, or following?   

IMO the likes of Buddy Walthers are ideologically, culturally, and of course physically closer to General Walker and the southern Radical Right than anyone in Washington or the CIA.   In many cases these cop types in Dallas distrust or sometimes despise the entire federal apparatus, CIA/FBI included.   I think it's farfetched to imagine Sheriff Decker working with east coast elites like the Dulles brothers or Bush family.

All CTs are missing a link.

Jason

Hi Jason,

Thanks for this recognition of the weaknesses of all the major CT's out there -- the CIA-did-it, the Mafia-did-it, Hoover-did-it, LBJ-did it, or the Communists-did-it.

We have plausible suspects in Dallas, deep inside the Dallas Police and Deputies, whose actions as revealed in their WC testimony makes them collectively, "Suspect Number One."

The question now, is to describe -- by using material evidence only -- how they were organized -- who were the leaders -- and who were the followers.

I think that we have the basics as follows:  (1) the leaders in the Dallas Police were the actual high-ranking men inside the Dallas Police, namely, Chief Jesse Curry and Captain Will Fritz; (2) the leaders among the Dallas Deputies were the high-ranking men inside the Dallas Sheriff's Office, namely, Sheriff Bill Decker, Deputy Buddy Walthers and Deputy Luke Mooney; (3) the leaders among the Dallas FBI were James Hosty and James Bookhout; (4) the leader inside the Dallas Secret Service was Forrest Sorrels; and (5) the leader inside the USPD was postal inspector Harry Holmes. 

There were others underneath these men -- and most of them tended to have titles.  This was, in my opinion, a well-organized plot by the Dallas Police and Deputies, with the assistance of the local branches of the FBI and Secret Service, and the local USPD office.   I want to emphasize my opinion there -- that the Dallas FBI and the Dallas Secret Service plotted against JFK -- not the Washington DC offices of the FBI or Secret Service.   That distinction is crucial.

The key tendency of the Dallas plotters was an impatience to frame Lee Harvey Oswald as a Communist member of the FPCC, and that therefore the Communists-did-it.  This tendency arises often within the WC testimony of these men.

While I recognize that there were rogues within the CIA who confessed long ago to some role in the JFK Assassination, they could not have controlled Dallas as thoroughly s the Dallas Police and Deputies.   They could not have controlled the crime scenes, the witnesses, the suspects, the suspects families and friends -- as well as the Dallas Police and Deputies.

What, then, did these CIA rogues do?   In my opinion, Jim Garrison in 1968 had identified their main roles -- almost entirely limited to New Orleans -- establishing the illusion for Lee Harvey Oswald that he was part of a legitimate Intelligence Team to kill Fidel Castro -- and that he would be greatly rewarded once that task was completed.

Jim Garrison mainly identified the players around 544 Camp Street in New Orleans (and BTW I visited that location to see it close up).   Joan Mellen also identified and interviewed many of them.   Not one was a genuine CIA officer -- yet they all claimed to be CIA officers.   An elaborate illusion was provided for Lee Harvey Oswald -- lasting several months, and taking him to Mexico City at the end of the summer of 1963.

The names included Roy Hargraves, Gerry Patrick Hemming, Loran Hall and Larry Howard -- and these were active players in New Orleans and Lake Pontchartrian there.   In Mexico City (according to Harry Dean) Loran Hall and Larry Howard drove Lee Harvey Oswald to Mexico City as a passenger in their car.   

As for the telephone impersonation of Lee Harvey Oswald in Mexico City on October 1, 1963, I suspect CIA agent David Morales -- not anybody else -- because the operation was delicate -- it involved inside knowledge that the Cuba Consulate line to the Soviet Embassy was the single most wire-tapped telephone on planet earth.   Only a CIA agent would know that.   Next, it involved news from the Soviet Embassy that Lee Harvey Oswald, in his bumbling, had spoken with KGB assassin Valeriy Kostikov (without knowing it).   This opportunity could not be missed -- that chance meeting must be made a matter of the CIA record there.  Thus, a savvy CIA agent risked the telephone impersonation.  The CIA translators figure out it was an impersonation within minutes.   That started the Simpich Mole Hunt (2014).

All the other CIA rogues who were vouching for the death of JFK, were also smart enough to stand behind people with a higher rank inside their secret plot.  The highest ranking was David Morales.  After him, E. Howard Hunt.   After him, perhaps Rip Robertson.   All others were citizens with no titles, like Frank Sturgis and John Martino.  They did what they were told -- when they could be trusted to be team players.

Anyway -- at the tippy top of the Dallas plot I find that the one thing the Dallas plotters all had in common was Radical Right ideology as voiced by the John Birch Society and the Minutemen in Dallas.  The most outspoken leader in these two groups was General Edwin Walker.   He deserves a careful examination, I believe -- starting with his WC testimony -- but also adding elements from his personal papers, and from the daily press in late 1963.

Finally, if we can find anything in the new JFK Act Release of 26 Oct 2017 of 35,000 pages of unredacted text about the Dallas Police and Deputies -- and General Walker -- then I feel sure that would help enormously.

All best,
--Paul 

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