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24 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said:

Just curious.

Has any of that early research been debunked or amended with little caveats at the bottom?

-- TG

Oh yes.  Dave Perry completely debunked all questions about Lee Bowers accident.  Not (IMO, I question several of Perry's conclusions).

http://dperry1943.com/bowers.html

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31 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

Oh yes.  Dave Perry completely debunked all questions about Lee Bowers accident.  Not (IMO, I question several of Perry's conclusions).

http://dperry1943.com/bowers.html

4th paragraph, "To me, he is a sensationalist". About sums everything up right there. I hate that language being used when discrediting anything. To me, it sounds like mere opinion."To me, Geraldo Rivera is a sensationalist. His staff does not take time to confirm witnesses' stories. His research consultants' veracity is usually unquestioned. The search for documentation is superficial. Opinions pass as facts." 

I didn't go with the exact quote before, sorry. But I really cannot stand when people do that. 

 

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I'm afraid that would have to be addressed item by item, some has, a good deal has not and there were leads followed then that really have not been further explored since the early decades. Obviously when you are talking about a couple of journals each with a dozen or more articles an issue that were published quarterly over several years you have a lot of subjects being covered. While some areas really have been cleared up via FOIA and ARRB work others have not...  But honestly I myself have not revisited them all for a decade or more, what folks should do is dig into them just as you would in a literature search on any new subject you intend to study seriously.  My impression is a lot of people have not taken the time for that.

One article that sticks in my mind involved Gary Mack and a search for a bell that would have been ringing at noon time and would have helped corroborate where the DPD recording were really being made i.e. at the Trade Center or in the Plaza - the upshot was that a couple of years later, during an anniversary observance people did really hear the bell chiming in the plaza and tracked down its location.  There was a lot of that sort of thing that no longer seems to get into discussions.

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6 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

Absolutely right Steve, while they were limited in documents especially compared to post ARRB and what is on MFF now, as far as some of the Dallas meterial they were much closer to it and a lot of great stuff has sort of fallen out of the online conversations going on now.  In addition to the Third and Fourth Decade journals I would also recommend the JFK Assassination Chronicles for some of the things that don't circulate these days:  http://www.jfklancer.com/Chronicles.html

 

 

 

Finding anything online about the Bowers accident is challenging.  A google search gives you his Wikipedia bio, the Dave Perry article from 92 debunking any possibility it was more than an accident and a somewhat informative and interesting article on Jim Marrs website by an unknown poster.  It's not something someone slightly curious would stumble across, much less find anything deep or old about it.  

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6 hours ago, Ty Carpenter said:

Are there any available pictures from inside Bowers railroad tower?

The FBI or Warren Omission didn't apparently care about his view enough to make comments or take pictures.  I've stood below his second floor window and looked at the back side of the picket fence on the grassy knoll.  Less than a hundred yards I'd say.  From a few feet up on a bright sunny day one would have a pretty clear view of the area.  Especially if already attracted to it by recent movement and the sudden sound of shots.  It's been mentioned he may have not mentioned everything he saw and /or that the was cut off in his testimony regarding further comment on such.  If he observed strange out of state vehicles in a area he knew was closed off for the parade, as well as two men behind it, would he have not naturally followed the movement of them after he saw a strange flash of light and heard shots from that direction?  WHY did no one on the Warren Omission ask him did you see where these men went after the shots?  Allen Dulles was such an experienced lawyer with SO much intelligence experience how could he have NOT asked the question, did you see where these men went after the flash of light and sound of shots?

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Actually there were a full set of photos taken from inside the tower a few years back, some of them have showed up on pinterest and you can find them at:

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1130&bih=672&ei=W6q9WprwFYWgtQXn95O4DQ&q=photos+from+inside+lee+bowers+tower+dallas&oq=photos+from+inside+lee+bowers+tower+dallas&gs_l=psy-ab.12..33i160k1.16022.27193.0.29860.46.38.2.6.6.0.170.3444.23j11.34.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..4.36.3091...0j46j0i67k1j0i131k1j0i46k1j0i22i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i21k1.0.yw5l6vFzfgw

There were a number of articles written about Bowers in the early research publications I mentioned but you definitely have to do some digging to get to them.

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10 minutes ago, Larry Hancock said:

Actually there were a full set of photos taken from inside the tower a few years back, some of them have showed up on pinterest and you can find them at:

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1130&bih=672&ei=W6q9WprwFYWgtQXn95O4DQ&q=photos+from+inside+lee+bowers+tower+dallas&oq=photos+from+inside+lee+bowers+tower+dallas&gs_l=psy-ab.12..33i160k1.16022.27193.0.29860.46.38.2.6.6.0.170.3444.23j11.34.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..4.36.3091...0j46j0i67k1j0i131k1j0i46k1j0i22i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i21k1.0.yw5l6vFzfgw

There were a number of articles written about Bowers in the early research publications I mentioned but you definitely have to do some digging to get to them.

Thank you Larry.  As pictures often do, they don't do it justice.  They belie the distance and clarity opposed to standing at the base of the two story tower and. looking at the fence.  No doubt in my mind Lee Bowers had a clear view of what happened behind the fence if he was looking that way/depending on when he looked/back, behind him.

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8 hours ago, Ty Carpenter said:

Are there any available pictures from inside Bowers railroad tower?

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On ‎3‎/‎29‎/‎2018 at 9:11 PM, Ron Bulman said:

Finding anything online about the Bowers accident is challenging.  A google search gives you his Wikipedia bio, the Dave Perry article from 92 debunking any possibility it was more than an accident and a somewhat informative and interesting article on Jim Marrs website by an unknown poster.  It's not something someone slightly curious would stumble across, much less find anything deep or old about it.  

This is the article I mentioned from Jim Marrs Above Top Secret site.  I have no idea who "Rising Against" is.  While it is about Bowers in general it does drift off topic at times but also addresses his death somewhat.  It's more objective than the Perry article but he has countered couple of points, while I still question his conclusions.  This and Perry are about all you find just googling Lee Bowers JFK, Bowers Accident and more combinations.  I'm still looking at a couple of other potential sources.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread710323/pg1

 

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I've been looking for the Geraldo Rivera edition The Curse of JFK from his series Now It Can Be Told from May 1992.  It's the one Dave Perry rebukes back then which pops up instantly, often first in any web search of this topic.  Once again multiple combinations of Geraldo's name, the title of the episode and the name of the show result in pretty much nothing.  Why?

The youtube link is listed in Belzer and Wayne's Hit list but results in this.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DmcXJJsZs7LE&form=PRUSEN&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&refig=ef868371884a4fcfa77425e468753c48&sp=-1&ghc=1&pq=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dmcxjjszs7le&sc=0-42&qs=n&sk=&cvid=ef868371884a4fcfa77425e468753c48

Next, this, click on B.A.'s link of the Exact web address from Belzer and Wayne.

And you get this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcXJJsZs7LE

It must be Really Important if We can't see it anymore.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=hey+big+brother+rare+earth+youtube&view=detail&mid=782D01818EA483DC4B86782D01818EA483DC4B86&FORM=VIRE

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2 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Why?

Apparently: "96 percent of the internet is not indexed by search engines such as Google and Bing.

That means only a tiny portion of the World Wide Web is accessible to you through standard means. The average internet user is only utilizing a portion of the potential the internet has to offer.

Search engines like Google only organize and index data which is available on the surface of the internet since in most cases, the URL is fixed, subject to get picked up by Google’s crawler bot, or there are no special permissions required to view the web pages.

When crawling and indexing pages, Google’s bot system prefers URLs that follow a simple directory structure; that is, a site’s main content should not be more than two subdirectory levels below the main domain of the site."

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Haven't had the opportunity to make searches in other (or the "usual" way(s) yet ( not that I am too skilled within this field, -- far from it ), - but anyway; for whatever reason, maybe this particular episode just is not available, - and one have to make a request :

http://mobile.geraldo.com/page/Contact

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On ‎3‎/‎30‎/‎2018 at 2:47 AM, Trygve V. Jensen said:

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That last little picture of the East end of the pergola from the back side and old courthouse illustrates the clarity of his view from the position while not of "behind the fence on the grassy knoll" itself.  It also illustrates that he could see this area as well.  Where he saw the last of three vehicles cruising the restricted area shortly before the assassination stop a few minutes before it.  No further comments about this were recorded or asked.   Might further comment about said vehicle have been one of the things he didn't tell the Warren Omission?  If so, why?

"they told him not to talk"

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Yes apparently he had a good view. Tower in background. Not sure what has changed since then (1963). Never been to the Plaza.

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Someone mentioned a car, - or cars that may have been parked behind the Pergola , obfuscating/obscuring/obstructing (whatever the correct English term is) his view.

In general, as said yesterday; "if there was an assassin, or several - in any of those areas, -- he would be the one to see him/she/them. He or perhaps Edna Case which I think someone mentioned, - who was looking out of the window from the Depository (westwards) -- but for some reason did not hear any shots. (!)"

Or J.C. Price . Stated in the Lane - interview, that he saw a man running etc. etc. But he stated some strange recollections in his WC - testimony I believe, - or was it the affidavit the same day.  Can't remember.  I have to run now, - - no time available.

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