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On 4/11/2018 at 12:06 PM, Mark Knight said:

I believe I'm done with this thread. No new information is being brought to light. We can speculate until Doomsday, and that won't make any of it the truth.

Once more, since you apparently missed my point.

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4 minutes ago, Mark Knight said:

Once more, since you apparently missed my point.

 

Mark,

 

Do you believe that answering those questions I asked you in my last post would require improper speculation on your part?

 

--  TG

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This was posted by Alan Ford at D.P.F.

Try as some might to force Sarah Stanton into mystery man's position, the historical record has already eliminated her for at least two reasons ---->

Mr. BALL - Anybody else you can remember?
Mr. FRAZIER - There was a lady there, a heavy-set lady who worked upstairs there whose name is Sarah something, I don't know her last name.

since there was only one Sarah upon those particular steps that afternoon, clearly Frazier is talking about the 
heavy-set lady Sarah Stanton. 

and, number 2, note where another individual upon those same steps that afternoon had to say about her specific position. Take it away Bill Lovelady ----> 


(4-7-64 testimony before the Warren Commission, 6H336-341) (When asked who was with him on the front steps when the shots were fired) "Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton and 
right behind me..."

clearly there is someone else standing there in the shadows behind Lovelady who is not Shelley or the 
heavy-set lady Sarah Stanton. Of course, Warren Commission counsel quickly changes the subject before Lovelady may continue (for obvious reasons).

-----

Sean Murphy or was it Richard Hocking who brought this part of Lovelady's testimony up here before. But not in this context. And boy does it destroy the wannabe Stanton scenario.

Kudos Alan.

 

Add on the statement that Stanton stood East.........

Edited by Bart Kamp

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On 4/11/2018 at 12:06 PM, Mark Knight said:
On 4/11/2018 at 9:59 AM, Thomas Graves said:

 

I believe I'm done with this thread.

 

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9 hours ago, Bart Kamp said:

This was posted by Alan Ford at D.P.F.

Try as some might to force Sarah Stanton into mystery man's position, the historical record has already eliminated her for at least two reasons ---->

Mr. BALL - Anybody else you can remember?
Mr. FRAZIER - There was a lady there, a heavy-set lady who worked upstairs there whose name is Sarah something, I don't know her last name.

since there was only one Sarah upon those particular steps that afternoon, clearly Frazier is talking about the 
heavy-set lady Sarah Stanton. 

and, number 2, note where another individual upon those same steps that afternoon had to say about her specific position. Take it away Bill Lovelady ----> 


(4-7-64 testimony before the Warren Commission, 6H336-341) (When asked who was with him on the front steps when the shots were fired) "Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton and 
right behind me..."

clearly there is someone else standing there in the shadows behind Lovelady who is not Shelley or the 
heavy-set lady Sarah Stanton. Of course, Warren Commission counsel quickly changes the subject before Lovelady may continue (for obvious reasons).

-----

Sean Murphy or was it Richard Hocking who brought this part of Lovelady's testimony up here before. But not in this context. And boy does it destroy the wannabe Stanton scenario.

Kudos Alan.

 

Add on the statement that Stanton stood East.........

 

Bart,

 

In his WC testimony, Lovelady was unfortunately cut off while listing the people near him during the assassination.

 

In his HSCA testimony, however, he was allowed to finish, and said that the people near him were (obviously from our right to left) William Shelley, Buell Wesley Frazier, and  Sarah Stanton.

 

Period.

 

Full stop.

 

When we look at Altgens 6, we see that the people immediately around Lovelady were William Shelley, Buell Wesley Frazier, and your so-called "Prayer Man."

 

It's clear to me that Lovelady named the people to his left, rear, and right.   

 

In order. 

 

--  TG

 

 

Edited by Thomas Graves

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4 hours ago, Bart Kamp said:

Keep dreaming and speculating Tommy....

 

Bart,

 

Is that all you got?



Do you really think Sarah Stanton was standing behind 6' 1" Buell Wesley Frazier, you know, so that she wouldn't be able to see the motorcade?

Wouldn't it have made more sense for her to stand between Frazier and "Prayer Man"?  (That is, of course, unless she was "Prayer Man"?)

 

If Sarah Stanton was standing behind Buell Wesley Frazier, and if she was the "Sarah" with whom Frazier had spoken, up there on the landing a few seconds after the assassination, wouldn't he have said in his 2013 interview that he had "turned" around" to speak with her, rather than "turned" to speak with her?

 

--  TG

 

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9 minutes ago, Bart Kamp said:

If if if if if if............................

 

Bart,

I always go quickly to your posts to see if you offered anything, on this forum, that is interesting, congenial, scholarly, thought-provoking or constructive. I always come-away disappointed.

Cheers,

 

Michael

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36 minutes ago, Bart Kamp said:

If if if if if if............................

 

Bart,

 

Did you ever find Gloria Calvery in the Z-Film or Couch-Darnell?

You do realize, don't you, that Karen Westbrook was obviously very, very confused when she recently ... "identified," ... from behind and 55 years after the fact ... "herself" (actually Sharon Simmons), ... "Gloria Calvery" (actually Gloria Jeanne Holt), ... and "... maybe Carol Reed" (actually self-described Native American, Stella Mae Jacob) in the Z-Film?



Laughing Out Loud,

--  TG

 

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1 hour ago, Michael Clark said:

 

Bart,

I always go quickly to your posts to see if you offered anything, on this forum, that is interesting, congenial, scholarly, thought-provoking or constructive. I always come-away disappointed.

Cheers,

 

Michael

Keep that hope alive Michael Clark.

Think I have brought plenty to the table as is.....it's your turn now.

I mean 3K posts and where is THAT substance YOU talk so vividly about?

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Tommy boy, your 'evidence' is shaky if not downright troublesome.

My opinion: it is almost 100% worthless if I look at your ratio of posts and evidentiary value.

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31 minutes ago, Bart Kamp said:

Tommy boy, your 'evidence' is shaky if not downright troublesome.

My opinion: it is almost 100% worthless if I look at your ratio of posts and evidentiary value.

 

Bart,

 

Find Calvery yet?

 

--  TG

 

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On ‎4‎/‎5‎/‎2018 at 1:35 PM, Thomas Graves said:

How could [EDIT ALERT: the bad guys and gals] reasonably expect to pull off "The Coverup" if they knew [EDIT ALERT: Oswald] might be captured on film, watching the motorcade?

"It didn't matter to them because they planned for him to be murdered-by-cop in about an hour, anyway" ???

What if good footage of Oswald-in-the-entryway emerged after he'd been put six feet under?

Why didn't the bad guys confiscate the films of Altgens, Wiegman, Couch, Darnell, ... ?  (Yes, I know PM isn't visible in Altgens 6, but he could have been.)

--  TG

Tangential Questions:  Was Dr Pepper available in the 2nd floor lunchroom's "coke-cola" (sic) machine, or only in the DP Machine on the 1st floor, next to the white fridge?

Was getting change for the DP Machine on the first floor Oswald's only reason for going to the 2nd floor practically every day during lunch time?

(Is it true that Dr Pepper was Oswald's favorite coke-cola?  If so, was the DP Machine mysteriously empty that day, or maybe even "jammed"?)

Dr. Pepper was only available on the first floor in the Dr. Pepper machine.  Oswald drank nothing but Dr. Pepper which makes the claim that he was holding a Coke all that much stranger.  My explanation is that Malcolm Wallace on the 6th floor told Oswald the motorcade was running late and asked him to go to the 2nd floor lunch room to get him a Coke.  This was to put Oswald on the 2nd floor so the police would run into him while they were climbing the stairs to investigate each floor.  There was supposed to be a shootout but it didn't happen because the manager of the TSBD told the police that Oswald was an employee and the police were forced to continue their search.  No shootout as planned and Oswald got away to make his way back to the boarding house.  

Edited by Rich Pope

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