Paul Brancato Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said: If the intended patsy was going to be the FPCC, it would explain Oswald's New Orleans efforts in the Spring of 1963 to join and organize an FPCC presence there. I think his alleged trip to Mexico City in an attempt to get to Cuba by flashing his FPCC credentials as bona fides, is a further example of this. If there was a conspiracy to assassinate JFK, some people have asked when it was hatched. I used to think it was after JFK's speech at American University in June of 1963. I now think it went back further than that, and believe that it was hatched after JFK's refusal to invade Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis in October, 1962. This may also explain the missing two weeks in Oswald's chronology from October 19 to November 3, 1962. I think he was being trained or groomed to infiltrate the FPCC. He thought he was part of an effort to infiltrate and learn everything he could about that organization. In reality, he was being set up to take the fall when JFK was killed. Steve Thomas I too think that Oswald ‘s connection to FPCC is important. It looks on the surface as if the future patsy was garnering credentials which would lead to a post assassination invasion of Cuba and removal of Castro. But there are some problems with this in my view. The main one is that a failed assassination attempt easily blamed on Castro would have worked just as well. Why kill JFK if removing Castro was the goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Steve Thomas said: Viewed through the lens of the strategy of tension, I wonder if the FPCC was the real intended patsy, with Lee Harvey Oswald as its public face. Steve Thomas Doesn't it make sense that the FBI/CIA would be "In" on the creation of this "committee" for the sole purpose of identifying supporters of the concept... Much like the way the British Intelligence services befriended and kept track of Nazi sympathizers during WW2, incase the Nazis ever landed they'd be able to round up and thwart any supportive actions... No doubt members of FPCC were true Socialist/communist supports of Fidel... but I'd guess over 1/3 of the members were agents looking to catch Commie supporters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 46 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said: I too think that Oswald ‘s connection to FPCC is important. It looks on the surface as if the future patsy was garnering credentials which would lead to a post assassination invasion of Cuba and removal of Castro. But there are some problems with this in my view. The main one is that a failed assassination attempt easily blamed on Castro would have worked just as well. Why kill JFK if removing Castro was the goal? Paul, I don't think that anything less than a successful assassination would have resulted in the invasion of Cuba. The removal of Castro was important, yes; but he was only a by-product. The Cubans would have just replaced him with someone else, like his brother. The ultimate goal was the invasion and occupation of the island itself. Think geographically. Cuba is the gate to the the Caribbean and thus to the southern hemisphere. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaleen Kilroy Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Steve Thomas said: If the intended patsy was going to be the FPCC, it would explain Oswald's New Orleans efforts in the Spring of 1963 to join and organize an FPCC presence there. I think his alleged trip to Mexico City in an attempt to get to Cuba by flashing his FPCC credentials as bona fides, is a further example of this. If there was a conspiracy to assassinate JFK, some people have asked when it was hatched. I used to think it was after JFK's speech at American University in June of 1963. I now think it went back further than that, and believe that it was hatched after JFK's refusal to invade Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis in October, 1962. This may also explain the missing two weeks in Oswald's chronology from October 19 to November 3, 1962. I think he was being trained or groomed to infiltrate the FPCC. He thought he was part of an effort to infiltrate and learn everything he could about that organization. In reality, he was being set up to take the fall when JFK was killed. Steve Thomas That’s the cleanest and clearest version of an assassination conspiracy I’ve seen. Makes so much sense considering who the conspirators likely were, the available evidence and who they wanted to blame it on. It’s interesting to note that if you look at all of what we know LHO said in custody, the one thing he offered freely and repeatedly was his membership in the FPCC. It could be he felt if he stayed with the mission, he’d be OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Just now, David Josephs said: Doesn't it make sense that the FBI/CIA would be "In" on the creation of this "committee" for the sole purpose of identifying supporters of the concept... No doubt members of FPCC were true Socialist/communist supports of Fidel... but I'd guess over 1/3 of the members were agents looking to catch Commie supporters... David, You're right, and that crossed my mind too. Why would the CIA, or FBI need Oswald when they were already burglarizing their offices and opening their mail, and like you said, 1/3 of their members were informants anyway. They didn't. They just let Oswald think he was important in that effort to infiltrate the organization. Someone once described Oswald as a "useful idiot". Another said, "Poor Oswald, he didn't know who he was working for." Oswald was double crossed. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaleen Kilroy Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said: Paul, I don't think that anything less than a successful assassination would have resulted in the invasion of Cuba. The removal of Castro was important, yes; but he was only a by-product. The Cubans would have just replaced him with someone else, like his brother. The ultimate goal was the invasion and occupation of the island itself. Think geographically. Cuba is the gate to the the Caribbean and thus to the southern hemisphere. Steve Thomas Agree with this as well. I always felt whoever was behind the assassination wanted a war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Steve Thomas said: I think his alleged trip to Mexico City in an attempt to get to Cuba by flashing his FPCC credentials as bona fides, is a further example of this Lol... never happened Steve. I think, in the end, this may have been done to create more problems for the FBI... and ultimately help keep them from the truth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaleen Kilroy Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 Just now, Steve Thomas said: David, You're right, and that crossed my mind too. Why would the CIA, or FBI need Oswald when they were already burglarizing their offices and opening their mail, and like you said, 1/3 of their members were informants anyway. They didn't. They just let Oswald think he was important in that effort to infiltrate the organization. Someone once described Oswald as a "useful idiot". Another said, "Poor Oswald, he didn't know who he was working for." Oswald was double crossed. Steve Thomas Ditto again, Steve. This is what makes the most sense to me as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 His visibly handing out leaflets... the fight with Bringuier, the discussions on the radio... and the faked trip to Mexico all go to providing Oswald Bona Fides as he gets deeper and deeper into the groups of Cuban supports of Castro. He hires yet another FBI informant Charles Steele Jr. to help him hand out leaflets... If I'm not mistaken, that's Steele on the left The DOD was all over Oswald's FPCC connections as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) On 6/5/2018 at 10:26 AM, David Josephs said: His visibly handing out leaflets... the fight with Bringuier, the discussions on the radio... and the faked trip to Mexico all go to providing Oswald Bona Fides as he gets deeper and deeper into the groups of Cuban supports of Castro. The DOD was all over Oswald's FPCC connections as well deleted Steve Thomas Edited March 2, 2023 by Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Steve Thomas said: David, Thanks for including that DOD cable. That was on my mind too. The fourth paragraph of that cable caught my eye., "FPCC described in USCONARC study, October, 1961, as propaganda vehicle for Cuban Government, Communist Party, USA, (CPUSA), and Sociaist Workers Party (SWP)." What were the two newspapers the supposed Oswald was holding in the infamous rifle pictures? And there's this - which pushes "Oswald" and the FPCC back to March of '63 (the time of the rifle pictures), if not sooner, back to October of 1962: This is CE 2951https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1142#relPageId=460&tab=page Steve Thomas Interesting. Steve - I agree the Cuban missile crisis was probably the genesis of the plan, which is why I feel the Military were prime movers. My previous point, which I made to Michael Clark on another thread, and which you didn’t agree with, is that I think a JFK who survived an assassination attempt pinned on Castro would have given a green light to a full scale invasion of Cuba. It’s a perfect Northwoods type event. In this theory, which I didn’t invent but which I think has some merit, killing JFK opened up the doors for escalation in Vietnam. Some segment of the original planners hijacked it for wider goals than a Cuban invasion. History shows that Cuba survived, but the Cold War escalated, and Vietnam became the focus, something I don’t think jfk would ever have agreed to. Edited June 5, 2018 by Paul Brancato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 8 hours ago, Steve Thomas said: David, Thanks for including that DOD cable. That was on my mind too. The fourth paragraph of that cable caught my eye., "FPCC described in USCONARC study, October, 1961, as propaganda vehicle for Cuban Government, Communist Party, USA, (CPUSA), and Sociaist Workers Party (SWP)." What were the two newspapers the supposed Oswald was holding in the infamous rifle pictures? And there's this - which pushes "Oswald" and the FPCC back to March of '63 (the time of the rifle pictures), if not sooner, back to October of 1962: This is CE 2951https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1142#relPageId=460&tab=page Steve Thomas I forget who made the point... but those two groups are ideological opposites... someone reading one of the pubs would NEVER read the other... I think it was Ms Mellon.... We also don’t know when that photo was created... but March ‘63... do we know which month’s those papers are? I don’t remember If I was to pick a start date... I’d look to the Nixon loss of 1960. The people most put out with that loss are the ones at the center of the assassination. It was as if the Republicans made it all the way to the alter with Nixon and 8 years of secrets... only to wind up marrying a different woman... one completely aghast at the direction these same people were taking the country. LBJ on that ticket was potentially a big part of step one in removing Kennedy... That JFK reinforces this change in philosophy from early on only pushes him closer to his death... Very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry J.Dean Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 13 hours ago, David Josephs said: His visibly handing out leaflets... the fight with Bringuier, the discussions on the radio... and the faked trip to Mexico all go to providing Oswald Bona Fides as he gets deeper and deeper into the groups of Cuban supports of Castro. He hires yet another FBI informant Charles Steele Jr. to help him hand out leaflets... If I'm not mistaken, that's Steele on the left The DOD was all over Oswald's FPCC connections as well 13 hours ago, David Josephs said: His visibly handing out leaflets... the fight with Bringuier, the discussions on the radio... and the faked trip to Mexico all go to providing Oswald Bona Fides as he gets deeper and deeper into the groups of Cuban supports of Castro. He hires yet another FBI informant Charles Steele Jr. to help him hand out leaflets... If I'm not mistaken, that's Steele on the left The DOD was all over Oswald's FPCC connections as well David See CASTRO'S NETWORK IN THE UNITED STATES (Fair Play for Cuba Committee) Hearings of Eighty - Eighty Congress First Session July 13 and 14, 1961. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaleen Kilroy Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share Posted June 6, 2018 (edited) Just looking at the photo of LHO passing out flyers above and considering this ‘lone nut’ was: - promoting a group heavily infiltrated by CIA and FBI with a founder that wanted to turn CIA in ‘62 and officially did in ‘64 - which we just found out about in 2018 - promoting a group that would be targeted by the CIA for a propaganda operation outside the US a few weeks later (with LHO heading for Mexico two days after the CIA alerts the FBI) - only receiving publicity because he somehow found and provoked a response from the NO chapter of the DRE, a group that its founders had told Helms would not exist without continuing assistance from the CIA - messing with an anti-Castro group that Helms, second in command of the CIA but ostensibly in bureaucratic control, had re-committed the agency’s support of and hired a direct report - George Joannides - to manage it in Dec ‘62 - interfacing with a group that Helms, Joannides and others in the CIA would conspire to obstruct several federal investigations from learning about the agency’s sponsorship and control of the group. Later the agency would lie on paper to the records release board about having any knowledge of Joannides. - not only interfacing with CIA assets but requested and received a one-on-one meeting with an FBI official - all in a single day But the US intel community maintains to this day they had nothing to do with LHO but also didn’t see him as a threat, even though their DRE propaganda assets in NO stated that exact sentiment in a PRESS RELEASE shortly following their interactions with LHO. Please. Just please. How much horseshyte do they expect us to swallow? Edited June 6, 2018 by Mike Kilroy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 9 hours ago, Harry J.Dean said: David See CASTRO'S NETWORK IN THE UNITED STATES (Fair Play for Cuba Committee) Hearings of Eighty - Eighty Congress First Session July 13 and 14, 1961 https://archive.org/stream/fairplayforcubac0102unit/fairplayforcubac0102unit_djvu.txt Here is the link... Thanks Harry... will read thru it today Do you think it's fair to say that Cuban Intelligence was running circles around US intelligence and their plans to "get" Castro - at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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