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3 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Steve, thank you for capturing this frame.  I don't know how to do that.  

  # 2, in this picture looks like it is not a drainage pipe but a pipe sticking way up above what is purported to be a train, I.E. it would be knocked off at the first undepass the train came to.  In the clip the "thing" sticking up at the same point in it looks like a light pole in the distance on Stemmons Freeway. 

Ron,

 

I just held my cursor over the looping images, and when that photo popped up, I right clicked on it and said "copy this image", then I pulled up a photo software program (I used Paint), and did an "edit paste".

 

Thanks. What I originally mistook as a "drainage pipe" of some kind, I now see as sunlight reflecting off the side of a building.

I'm getting older now and my eyesight isn't as good as it used to be. That's why I don't do a lot of commentary about photos. I'm no good at it.

 

Steve Thomas

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Some of the people on the Overpass...

This is Bell in color with Dillard superimposed...

Holland is the man in the suit tie and hat in the middle of the image... as I understand it from his own words

1500095303_Overpass-BellenhancedwithDillardoverlay.thumb.jpg.f2d0af2dd7cf53d4c02026b3d998349c.jpg

 

 

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In Joseph's overlay of Bell and Dilliard the bottom part of Dilliard has been cut off or a least not included in the overlay.  By cutting off the bottom of the photo one gets a false perspective of where this photo was taken.

From where the photo was taken it is physically impossible to see the other side of the railroad bridge.  The railroad bridge is over 100 ft. wide.  From that position you can not see the guard rail on the other side.  This mistake is in Altgens 7, Dilliard, and Bell.  In Bell there is at least an excuse.  Bell shot from an elevated position on Houston St.  Altgens and Dilliard were down at street level where it is impossible to see the guard rail on the west side.

Once again there is a timing problem.  The people filmed by Dilliard may be as much 2 to 5 minutes after the assassination.  The motorcade was broken into groups by the crowd in front of the TSBD and the Houston and Elm intersection surged into the street after the assassination.  Another group from Main St. and from the southwest corner of Elm and Houston surged into the street crossing to the Grassy Knoll.

By the time the camera cars were approaching the underpass some time had passed.  How much is somewhat debatable.

Other than that, I don't see the point of Mr. Joseph's artwork.  Maybe he will explain what he is doing with the overlay?

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25 minutes ago, John Butler said:

In Joseph's overlay of Bell and Dilliard the bottom part of Dilliard has been cut off or a least not included in the overlay.  By cutting off the bottom of the photo one gets a false perspective of where this photo was taken.

From where the photo was taken it is physically impossible to see the other side of the railroad bridge.  The railroad bridge is over 100 ft. wide.  From that position you can not see the guard rail on the other side.  This mistake is in Altgens 7, Dilliard, and Bell.  In Bell there is at least an excuse.  Bell shot from an elevated position on Houston St.  Altgens and Dilliard were down at street level where it is impossible to see the guard rail on the west side.

Once again there is a timing problem.  The people filmed by Dilliard may be as much 2 to 5 minutes after the assassination.  The motorcade was broken into groups by the crowd in front of the TSBD and the Houston and Elm intersection surged into the street after the assassination.  Another group from Main St. and from the southwest corner of Elm and Houston surged into the street crossing to the Grassy Knoll.

By the time the camera cars were approaching the underpass some time had passed.  How much is somewhat debatable.

Other than that, I don't see the point of Mr. Joseph's artwork.  Maybe he will explain what he is doing with the overlay?

Thank you again Chris Davidson.  Full screen.  You don't see the cars moving to the right in the top part of the screen?

 https://drive.google.com/file/d/19WTp-na4XCRB3qwxVdfg7dh9FGFNR1dq/view

The view, again, from Main and Houston (where you say Bell was filming from).  See Stemmons Freeway in the back ground over the railroad overpass?

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7787893,-96.8081694,3a,15.8y,259.48h,86.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sd8r9-LvxuPPYXJgZWk1l3g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 

 

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Mark Bell filmed from the northwest corner of Houston and Main.  He was on an elevated position with about 3 other people.  They were standing on part of the monument structure.

You can see this in a Jay Skaggs photo taken from the northeast corner.  The photo also shows Phil and Rosemary Willis.

The google image is an aerial image converted to ground level.  It is not showing things correctly.  You can not take the Same image at ground level at that corner of Main and Houston.

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Ron and Steve,

I use software called Cyberlink Power DVD 16.  I got the idea from Robin Unger.  What Power DVD allows you to do is watch a video frame by frame.  Interesting frames I capture by using Screen Capture available in Windows.

I also use Corel Paintshop Pro to do any work such as magnification or sharpening.  There is a fade correction feature that really works well wth old films and photos.

I hope this is of some help.

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I've had a couple invalid certificate errors lately on other sites myself. It might be the beginning of the end for net neutrality?

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David,

Thanks for the posting alert.  history-matters.com is a good source for tracking down witness statements.

Edited by John Butler

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REPRISE....

JOSEPH McBRIDE SAID:
No Dan Rather in the [McIntire] photo. I noticed that immediately when this was first printed by the Dallas Morning News in 1988 when I was in town for the twenty-fifth anniversary. A colleague has said Rather was at the Trade Mart. Rather has given various claims for his whereabouts at the time of the shooting, including his frequent claim he was on the other side of the overpass from the shooting area waiting for a film drop.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
But that doesn't mean Rather wasn't there in the area nearby. Not every last square inch of the area is covered in the McIntire photo. Maybe Rather was standing just outside McIntire's camera range. For that matter, how do you know that the man on the far right of the picture isn't Dan Rather?

November-22-1963-JFKs-Car-Is-Seen-West-O

Edited by David Von Pein

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