Vince Palamara Posted June 2, 2018 Author Share Posted June 2, 2018 12 hours ago, Ron Bulman said: There were a couple of guys further down the chain of command with intelligence links. Deputy Chief of the SS Paterni was OSS in World War II, serving with Angleton and Rocca in Milan Italy maintaining his Secret Service position at the time in the War. He'd been in the SS since the late 30's. Lawson, the advance agent, coordinating things on site eight days before the parade was in the Army Counter Intelligence Corps before joining the SS. SG, pgs. 324 & 313. Correct re: Paterni. I have more about him in my third book and upcoming fourth book: https://www.amazon.com/Whos-Who-Secret-Service-Historys/dp/1634241819/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1520593855&sr=1-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted June 2, 2018 Author Share Posted June 2, 2018 On 5/31/2018 at 11:00 PM, Cory Santos said: Vince, a good friend of mine is retired SS. We debate JFK all the time. I have found your site useful, he however will not look at it. Just a thanks for the good work you have done. THANKS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted June 2, 2018 Author Share Posted June 2, 2018 On 5/31/2018 at 11:01 PM, B. A. Copeland said: Thanks for all you do Vince. I can't tell you how many times I've listened to your audios with Len lol. I hate to go there somewhat but you know that kind of character assassination reminds me of JFK Jr. after his plane crash. It seemed quite common, after his death, was how much of a risk taker he was, etc. Its just sad. Anyways, back on topic (apologies but really felt it was relevant with this seeming trend to Kennedy-bash postmortem....) thanks a lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted June 2, 2018 Author Share Posted June 2, 2018 On 5/31/2018 at 2:51 PM, Greg Wagner said: I think it’s pretty hard to argue that Kennedy’s protection in Dallas was not compromised. In my opinion, the striking differences between Tampa on the 18th and Dallas on the 22nd are simply not explainable in any other way that makes sense. We can go back and forth all day about the absurd route down Elm Street, the motorcycles being reduced, agents on and off the car, the bubbletop, Rybka, rooftops, windows, overpasses, brake lights, Thomas Shipman, partying the night before, the dearth of local law enforcement and MI personnel supplementing the Secret Service, the complete and total lack of security at the exact point in the route where Kennedy is most exposed and all the rest. Probably not all of these glaring deficiencies are nefarious, but if anyone thinks they were ALL just a bunch of crazy coincidences, then we will have to agree to disagree. In my view, Vince and others have moved the ball far enough down the field that we are beyond endlessly debating all this. The real questions we should be asking about the Secret Service at this point are: 1. Were any members of the Secret Service witting participants in the assassination? If so, who? Boring, Roberts and Lawson are intriguing candidates, but who would have approached them? That would have been awfully dangerous. And why would they go along with it? 2. If there was no witting participation by members of the Secret Service and Kennedy's security was compromised by a more subtle and sophisticated effort, then who was handled by whom? Where was the connection between the plotters and the Dallas trip planners / Secret Service? This would have been at a high level, with orders rolling down hill from there. My opinion is that the perpetrators had one goal in Dallas and that was to kill Kennedy. Everything else was on the “not essential but nice to have” list. Getting the motorcade to come down Elm Street, chipping away at JFK’s protection any way they could think of and even executing the Oswald patsy angle were certainly elements of the operation. But none of them were show stoppers. I have three suspects: Bill Greer, Floyd Boring, and Emory Roberts. Everyone else falls under the "following orders" category. The CIA and Hoover's FBI were more powerful agencies. We cannot overlook their influence upon the Secret Service. 11/2 and 11/18 were missed opportunities; 11/22/63 was on target, literally and figuratively. Just chew on this: follow-up car agent Tim McIntyre's then-34 year old disgust with JFK's private life-part of a motive or rationalization to do nothing at the critical moment?: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 45 minutes ago, Vince Palamara said: I have three suspects: Bill Greer, Floyd Boring, and Emory Roberts. Everyone else falls under the "following orders" category. Vince, Would Lawson have been only following orders (from Boring?) in reducing the number of motorcycles and moving them back? How would Boring or whoever gave the order even have known what the local plan was regarding the motorcycle escort, as presented to Lawson at the meeting in Dallas on the night of the 21st? I would think it was Lawson acting on his own initiative (unless he was simply given a general order to see that motorcade security was reduced, which most agents would find rather odd). . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted June 2, 2018 Author Share Posted June 2, 2018 28 minutes ago, Ron Ecker said: Vince, Would Lawson have been only following orders (from Boring?) in reducing the number of motorcycles and moving them back? How would Boring or whoever gave the order even have known what the local plan was regarding the motorcycle escort, as presented to Lawson at the meeting in Dallas on the night of the 21st? I would think it was Lawson acting on his own initiative (unless he was simply given a general order to see that motorcade security was reduced, which most agents would find rather odd). . Ron, Keep in mind: telephones were within reach I know we live in an iPhone/social media world today, but telephones, teletypes, two-way radios and wire services helped spread the news (especially in confidential ways) back then (re: Boring to Lawson). Boring gave Lawson the Dallas assignment and Lawson admitted he was in contact with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, Vince Palamara said: Ron, Keep in mind: telephones were within reach I know we live in an iPhone/social media world today, but telephones, teletypes, two-way radios and wire services helped spread the news (especially in confidential ways) back then (re: Boring to Lawson). Boring gave Lawson the Dallas assignment and Lawson admitted he was in contact with him. Okay, I can see how that would work. At the meeting the police tell Lawson the motorcycle arrangement. Lawson says "Excuse me a minute," goes to the bathroom and gets on his radio to Boring. He comes back and says, "I was just thinking in there, that's too many motorcycles." Or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted June 2, 2018 Author Share Posted June 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Ron Ecker said: Okay, I can see how that would work. At the meeting the police tell Lawson the motorcycle arrangement. Lawson says "Excuse me a minute," goes to the bathroom and gets on his radio to Boring. He comes back and says, "I was just thinking in there, that's too many motorcycles." Or something like that. Yes----or the telephone (and perhaps orders/ wishes were relayed beforehand or shortly afterward). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Butler Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 This is from some time back in this thread. " On 5/31/2018 at 11:28 AM, John Butler said: I don't know whether this is helpful but, it is about military intelligence photographers in Dealey Plaza. I somewhere read something about there might have been 50. But, I don't have a source and it might be a faulty memory although I don't think so. https://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com/2012/10/steve-osborn-testimony-re-fort-hood.html You know, this is really interesting. Not just in and of itself. But because as I said, there was reportedly a military camera crew in Memphis when King was killed. But also, when I was researching the RFK case, a guy told me that he knew another researcher on that case who discovered that there was a camera monitor in a hotel room tracking Bobby Kennedy's movement through the hotel, sort of like what they have In Vegas" I use Robert Groden's Assassination DVD from 1995. I know it is old, cranky, and not great imagery by our standards today. But, I believe the imagery is honest. In many of the films on the DVD there are slow scan TV images consisting of lines of pixels. Film does not contain lines of pixels similar to what was available in slow scan TV images of that day. In order to get this imagery into more than a half dozen films, military photographers would have to stand next to anyone with a video camera or close by. This is speculation to account for so many films having SSTV images. This is covered perhaps better with examples in: http://jfkrunningthegauntlet.com/2017/08/19/were-there-military-intelligence-photographers-in-dealey-plaza/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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