Jump to content
The Education Forum
Vince Palamara

President Kennedy: the bubble top and all security issues dissected 1961-1963

Recommended Posts

Posted (edited)

click on images to enlarge

First things first: it is important to remember that President Kennedy did not have hundreds of motorcades during his 1000 or so days in offer- it was a finite number (from the JFK Library):

19942771_10212507067847237_4592007345699

When the President visited military bases or traveled in motorcades in Washington, D.C., there was hardly any overt protection noticeable, such as motorcycles flanking the car, agents on or near the rear of the limousine, or a full bubbletop, unless during certain weather conditions, with a few notable exceptions when a display of force was demonstrated. This was because the Secret Service and the President were on very friendly, well-traveled grounds. On military bases, our troops, in conjunction with the Secret Service, provide the best-case scenario for protection. In the Capital, the Secret Service checks all the buildings along the route, and armed guards are posted along the path the President’s car will take. In addition, manholes are checked and sealed. For example, during JFK’s Inaugural Parade held on 1/20/61, “A complete survey of all buildings, water mains, sewers and underground conduits and other facilities along the parade route [was] made prior to the departure of the President from the White House to the Capitol.”

19989512_10212507242131594_6643107214246

It should also be noted that when JFK was a candidate for the Presidency in 1960 the Secret Service did not protect candidates. Sadly, this did not become policy until immediately after the murder of his brother Robert. For his part, V.P. Nixon already had Secret Service protection on the campaign trail in 1960. That said, Senator Kennedy’s motorcades were often surrounded by many motorcycles:

11878972_10206530268870998_3836124425927

JFK & LBJ together in Dallas (on Main Street) 9/11/60! The next time they would ride together in a motorcade: 11/22/63, Dallas!

10378075_10203259531384605_5858417698619 10443450_10203259526024471_4221408092896

 

Sunday 30th June, 1963. Forest Row, East Sussex. Visiting Harold Macmillan

31969877_10211840050576584_2113370372035543969_10202082135030432_209207754_n.jpg10462972_10203492628571889_4852582383561

Ireland, June 1963-Agent Bert De Freese on rear of limo; partial bubbletop; good motorcycle formation; press photographers flatbed truck in front of limo:

wp_20161031_023.jpg?w=300 wp_20161031_026.jpg?w=3001958266_10202682486158835_1846879808_n.j521397_10200223414683585_1656809286_n.jp23722366_10213612114272707_2183641364656404927_10200223416243624_1669806523_n.jp

From my third book The Not-So-Secret Service: Death threats preceded JFK’s 1963 Ireland visit: “Police, newspaper received warnings months before president’s killing. “The documents indicated that 6,404 police officers were on duty throughout Ireland the night Kennedy arrived, of whom 2,690 lined the U.S. president’s route from Dublin airport to the Phoenix Park mansion of Irish President Eamon de Valera. “Costigan wrote that, although the death threats were considered likely to be hoaxes, his officers would use binoculars to monitor rooftops along the route of the presidential motorcade. He said some police would carry firearms, an exceptional measure in a country with a largely unarmed police force, to engage any would-be sniper. “A rifle as well as Thompson guns and revolvers were carried for use against a possible sniper,” Costigan wrote in a post-Kennedy visit memorandum released Friday

Milwaukee, WI May 12 1962:

s-l160740.jpg?w=30030630045_10214791618199568_846436928607133662613_10215115913306743_4539519997940

9/27/62 West Virginia:

jfkwhp-st-413-1-62.jpg?w=300

Philadelphia, PA trip 10/30/63

9f7a2-img_3450.jpg?w=300

Washington, D.C. 10/15/63---MILITARY AIDE, ASAIC BORING, military lining street:

16087-img_3447.jpg?w=300

Washington, D.C. 3/27/63--MILITARY AIDE, SAIC BEHN, military lining street, essentially THREE follow-up cars:

ded35-img_3449.jpg?w=267

Battery Park, NY 5/23/63:

dscf4403.jpg?w=30019961563_10212507233331374_5211295784245

6/5/62 Washington, D.C.:

jfkwhp-kn-c22141.jpg?w=300164495_10200223417203648_329609896_n.jpg

Bogota, Columbia 12/17/61:

32591_10200223426363877_1171434156_n.jpg1461165_10201847572766522_232963456_n.jp

Caracas, Venezuela 12/16/61:

1898235_10202556948940483_1846974533_n.j314303_2275155913906_1628059_n.jpg?w=30020031631_10212532112833346_747491418869619961207_10212507233411376_640305512994727750105_10214299865786065_582862214316827750604_10214299864146024_2005563058036

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUUcK6G7U_w

San Juan, Puerto Rico 12/15/61:

5698_10200223431404003_2046522013_n.jpg?19959218_10212507232691358_2678855936186

Washington, D.C. 3/20/62:

539346_10200223464084820_1814454165_n.jp

Washington, D.C. 9/19/61:

301256_2229188284744_4193780_n.jpg?w=300

New York, NY 11/8/63:

1382040_10201580801657411_35550048_n.jpg

Washington, D.C. 7/11/61:

10170982_10202953501734055_80250726174191.jpg?w=300

Washington, D.C. 2/20/63:

1661117_10202453137425260_247865411_n.jp

Washington, D.C. 4/11/62 (JFK and Jackie in different bubbletop vehicles):

11090_10200223417083645_439322852_n.jpg?

11/22/63 at Parkland- too late:

249062_10202179510584760_1329145618_n.jp

1961:

10440967_10203287850372562_1516178781364

North Carolina, 10/12/61:

398102_4834850944682_877124518_n.jpg?w=3

Washington, D.C. 6/15/61-debut:

296700_2237005400167_4670066_n.jpg?w=30010394470_10203287840452314_634502810633310449540_10203287840492315_8605092045534

Arlington, VA 6/12/62 (this one doesn't "count"- drizzle):

531963_10200557516155913_285344879_n.jpg10690017_10204191525923886_7398887813465

JFK using the Ike bubbletop at the very start 1/20/61:

283500_2204553468889_8247792_n.jpg?w=300

California, 3/23/62:

10295683_10203178159270353_3863009607998

New York, 5/19/62:

10366050_10203178158350330_6772132142569

Germany, 6/26/63- Many flanking motorcycles in a wedge formation; SAIC Behn on trip; military aide in front seat; agents in good number near limo; bubbletop at times; military lining street; live television feed; PHOTOGRAPHERS IN FRONT OF LIMO; buildings guarded:

10256282_10203166420656895_606262004257610314519_10203492638212130_792004955621210304503_10203492639772169_219564318919310491213_10203492632651991_3321191574486 10532781_10203492627891872_542072187147110440842_10203492649292407_393519895331310525616_10203492650332433_248813736754819957007_10212507218731009_918942125887919959197_10212507219411026_462342909303519983932_10212507218811011_669106173246019961371_10212507241491578_8932307607601

Duluth, MN 9/25/63 (this one doesn't "count" because it was raining at night):

10255001_10203061089703687_6560436487611

HOWEVER- regarding the same Duluth, MN trip: Researcher Chad Carlson wrote to me regarding this very same trip: “I am friends with a man here who was in charge of JFK’s trip to Duluth, MN here in September of 1963. I ask him a lot about JFK. He got to talk oneon-one with the President for 30 minutes before he made his rounds and speeches. His name is Larry Yetka, former Minnesota Supreme Court justice. Larry said that he wondered what [Mafia boss] Sam Giancana of Chicago was up to on 11-22-63. I told him that I had been watching the motorcade in Dallas on 11-22-63 and told him it looked very “lax.” He said, “Yes it was.” So I asked him how was security in Duluth in Sept.1963? He said, “Tight as hell-men were on the rooftops even.

Billings, MT September 1963:

Building rooftops were guarded---This was confirmed by researcher Deb Galentine’s assistant police chief father who worked on the security for this trip, as conveyed to the author on 2/17/14. Deb further wrote: “Weeks before JFK’s arrival, my father, who would be in charge of the local police protection, met with Billings’ leaders and some of President Kennedy’s advance people. JFK’s planners wanted the fastest, safest routes possible. They desired routes with no tall buildings and hoped to avoid Billings’ Rimrocks as well. The Rimrocks, a natural sandstone formation riddled with caves, paths, and ledges and dotted with pine trees and shrubs, unevenly jut about 500 feet above the city of Billings. Avoiding them would be impossible since Billings’ airport lies perched atop them. Three separate routes were available from the airport to the President’s venue, and the planners decided to use the one that provided the safest and fastest passage away from the Rimrocks.”

 

New Mexico, 12/7/62:

1898033_10202467461423351_1082942342_n.j

Washington, D.C. 1961:

1525740_10202385823862463_653468152_n.jp

UNKNOWN (shown on DVD JFK: The Final Hours):

1458524_10201847572806523_128730410_n.jp

See also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-zjy_F1zHk

New York 9/20/63:

1382149_10201580741735913_2133904169_n.j

Unknown:

1237846_10201456542911020_1027418430_n.j

Boston, MA 4/20/63:

264527_10200766760346887_564530760_n.jpg11245793_10205800148858454_5323387477067

Washington, D.C. 3/8/61:

2.png?w=300

New York 5/30/61:

21295_10200716951981709_1992993834_n.jpg

New York 1/19/62:

531822_10200557585037635_1524246474_n.jp

New York 5/29/62:

149062_10200546456199421_1043777398_n.jp

Mexico 6/29/62-7/1/62- Many flanking motorcycles in a wedge formation; SAIC Behn on trip; military aide in front seat; agents in good number near limo; bubbletop at times; military lining street; live television feed; PHOTOGRAPHERS IN FRONT OF LIMO; buildings guarded:

17130_10200223473485055_1771083896_n.jpg10151438_10204191535244119_888399596832710455237_10203478745184813_279838433161210470215_10203478745224814_251294702503319894900_10212507222771110_6970229139482

Florida 1962:

538231_10200223442604283_1398516453_n.jp

South Dakota, 8/17/62:

285331_10200223437764162_2076615812_n.jp

Washington, D.C. 10/10/62:

11218750_10206904825394677_2164894111034jfkwhp-kn-c24461.jpg?w=300

Washington, D.C. 12/11/62:

12118644_10206904825514680_826457790129012239756_10207105540492429_165631957201627459511_10214221116617385_3083869448196

Washington, D.C. 9/8/63 (doesn't count-raining):

23511477_10213549098497352_3831355002545

Look at THIS amazing photo! SAIC Gerald Behn and fellow agent Sam Kinney placing the bubble top ON the car while President Kennedy and guest are sitting inside! Secret Service agent Stu Stout watches:

s-l16ffff00.jpg?w=300

Charleston, West Virginia, 6/20/63 (doesn't count-raining):

jfkwhp-st-c219-9-63.jpg?w=294

See also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KRXGHJwp2I

 


Buildings WERE regularly guarded during the FDR, Truman, Ike and (yes) the JFK era before the assassination but NOT in Dallas:

19905457_10212507238891513_9270111086090 19961559_10212507239411526_6295208728425 20031600_10212507238411501_716345421731920121140_10212532113153354_587986528918419958965_10212507240811561_466211908307019961368_10212507240091543_454142664815619989255_10212507241971590_1164038310601fdr.jpg?w=300

1957-era security for President Eisenhower and Queen Elizabeth...if only JFK and Jackie would have received this kind of protection 6 years later:

934761_10203574625021749_450626596072043

 

San Diego, CA 6/6/63-countless Marines lined on each side of the street 5-6 feet apart FACING THE CROWD, SAIC Behn on the trip (riding in the front seat) and TWO FLATBED TRUCKS TAKING STILL PHOTOS, MOTION PICTURES, AND A LIVE TELEVISION FEED! Building rooftops were also guarded:

26840784_10214077218980034_3836714252891

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2xDQ0IZOOM

Philadelphia, PA 10/62-arrows point our 4 cyclists on each wheel PLUS row of motorcycles near follow-up car, police lining street and facing crowd:

34703776_10215195033524699_7174639488105

Seattle 11/16/61---buildings were guarded; police mingled within crowds; military lined street; press photographers close by; agents by limo; SAIC Gerald Behn in front passenger seat:

261616_10200741641638935_1105307971_n.jp

 

Buffalo, NY 10/14/62:

12744613_10207718026444195_822870278185111249848_10206143469921266_8861518504445

Indianapolis, IN 10/13/62-Secret Service agents, Dick Johnsen, Ron Pontius, Bob Lilley, and Frank Yeager, surround car:

12716091_10207637177863031_3291490948125

Springfield, IL 10/19/62:

11412150_10206002155708499_1250971278651

Chicago, IL 3/23/63---Col. George J. McNally, White House Signal Corps and former Secret Service agent, wrote in his book: “But during the Chicago visit [3/23/63], the motorcade was slowed to the pace of a mounted Black Horse Troop, and the police got a warning of Puerto Rican snipers. Helicopters searched the roofs along the way, and no incidents occurred.” [A Million Miles of Presidents, p. 204] Agent Don Lawton rode on the rear of the limousine and six motorcycles bracketed the vehicle:

12341231_10207209638054803_2415500535318

Nashville, TN 5/18/63---SAIC of the Nashville office (and former JFK WHD agent) Paul Doster told the Nashville Banner on 5/18/63 that “a complete check of the entire motorcade route” was done for JFK’s trip to Nashville. In addition, Doster stated, “Other [police] officers were assigned atop the municipal terminal and other buildings along the route. These men took their posts at 8 a.m. and remained at their rooftop stations until the president and his party passed.” A helicopter was used on the route, as well:

995165_10201322929570770_1483435916_n.jp[note: this is the later edition of the newspaper quoted above]

Canada 1961:

558842_10201322955731424_1836774228_n.jp

New Orleans 1962:

45863_10200223437444154_1974760944_n-cop 1148753_10202288562190982_1176516053_n-c 1534427_10202288556230833_513439678_n.jp

Cleveland, OH 10/19/62:

10155939_10206143463081095_6604790149834 11078265_10205800164978857_1218328627290

Pittsburgh, PA 10/13/62:

18007_10205800164098835_7106238683631531 1908142_10205800160458744_27648972353695 11107168_10205800160498745_4934775432742

Washington, D.C. April 1961-Police on the roof of building overlooking a JFK motorcade, while both police and military lined the streets, common security measures used before Dallas, yet only a small number of police lined the streets in Dallas, did not face the crowd, with no military lining the streets and no men guarding rooftops:

19956706_10212507242651607_3825177777279

10/1/63--- THE VIEW FROM THE PRESS PHOTOGRAPHERS FLATBED TRUCK IN FRONT; 2 follow-up cars; military and police line street; SAIC Behn and military aide:

13434864_10208722535556295_2722268444824 13465984_10208722535676298_4651884050330

Hawaii 6/9/63--press photographers in front of limo, as usual, and press bus not far behind; agents surround limousine:

11088_10205421214465331_9848163498868607 11036338_10205421214425330_6830272640667 12250152_10207110318491876_2629594251652 12313728_10207110319451900_1267398438738 20414059_10212689890897699_5089521630457 20424236_10212689890817697_8931476201259

Florida trip 11/16-11/18/63 (Palm Beach, Cape Canaveral, Miami, Tampa):

19957021_10212507218651007_1236988926581 19961627_10212507218010991_3387287434630 19961457_10212507238211496_784828400985919959235_10212507238251497_493600728488220024211_10212507218170995_3099703035553 20045442_10212507218090993_781871857241019958942_10212507231691333_396940136634930727283_10214824799789087_769080663051312509877_10207427009528954_6115752917882

11/18/63--PRS AGENT GLEN BENNETT ON FLORIDA AND TEXAS TRIPS; DENIED BEING ON FLORIDA TRIP TO HSCA:

20046613_10212507232051342_3090363258860

From my third book The Not-So-Secret Service: Bob Hoelscher worked for the Miami-Dade Police Department for 50 years and was a counter-sniper and observer on the terrace deck of the airport hotel on November 18, 1963, the day Kennedy arrived in Miami. He guarded almost every VIP that came through Dade County from Kennedy to Clinton and started the tactical special weapons team, later known as SWAT, in 1970. Documents reveal a bomb threat against JFK in Miami just days before his death. Hoelscher told CBSMiami.com that he knew of potential threats to the president ahead of his November visit. “I was told that information had been developed that the Cubans might start a protest at an unknown location and they might make an attempt on the life of the President if there was sufficient distraction,” Hoelscher said. “I was told to keep this information to myself, watch the periphery and look for anything unusual.” While Hoelscher and some others in the police department knew, it was strictly on a “need to know” basis. “The information about the death threat was not shared with the rank and file out of fear that the media would find out,” Hoelscher said

VARIOUS Washington, D.C. motorcades + Chicago, IL 1961-1962---press/ photographers in front of and close by JFK's limo:

19905106_10212507221331074_2420041165654 19905191_10212507219731034_1041125357907 19959068_10212507219971040_4742138179524 19961392_10212507220411051_5725589243697 19989750_10212507220611056_7678059792972 19990035_10212507220571055_6148677778754 19990221_10212507219851037_1751329508537 20031656_10212507221291073_7249956106695 20046590_10212507221011066_638008491542114883707_10210026293749435_1136028288756

Rome, 7/2/63---close press/photographers (including live tv), SAIC Behn, agents on limo, massive motorcycles, etc.:

19895123_10212507222691108_2643056940471 19959226_10212532134273882_3781217048863 19983295_10212532134313883_229199271455020106711_10212532134353884_561945306077110172587_10206906244310149_609172051366012079625_10206906244470153_434994948528412096279_10206906244790161_3943143337375

Amherst, MA 10/26/63-military aide in pilot car AND JFK's limo, Dr Burkley close by, wire service/ press/ photographers close by:

19959181_10212532110433286_2948891143736

Pueblo, CO 8/17/62:

19884177_10212507242771610_1362982352378

Paris, France April 1961:

19884050_10212507238771510_355521982984314889903_10210026293829437_324904839056811831650_10206422269211074_5068453276758

Costa Rica, March 1963:

10462522_10203375381640789_3637600414512

North Dakota 9/25/63:

10469706_10203493065982824_3075699035913

The SECRET SERVICE was boss of the President and his security, NOT the other way around!

19884050_10212507241451577_3327459883713 19959109_10212507233531379_3312010391922 19989609_10212507231651332_8648656136778 20046809_10212507240331549_859916369955810354143_10203493063142753_3921635974018562953_10201594424077963_499629876_n.jpg

So much for the president's "order" that never happened: Clint Hill on the rear of the limo on Main Street. He did not ride on the rear of the car from the latter portion of Main Street onward:

20429985_10212689892057728_8459291608668 20525460_10212689891257708_5378137874876

As Hill himself even admitted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs7yNVI9sOM

See also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgVYcyixXgA

Congressman Sam Gibbons, WHO RODE A FOOT AWAY FROM KENNEDY IN THE BACK OF THE LIMOUSINE, debunks the whole JFK-ordered-the-agents-off-the-limo garbage: "I rode with Kennedy every time he rode. I heard no such order. As I remember it the agents rode on the rear bumper all the way. Kennedy was very happy during his visit to Tampa. Sam Gibbons."

936062_10203493174505537_317939949209854
 

11/22/63:

DALLAS TIMES HERALD 11/22/63 BEFORE the assassination happened

21687511_10213124208035356_4250769832336

19905054_10212507241211571_3190162692456

11/21/63: more motorcycles were to have been beside JFK's limo in Dallas:

541139_4335712026521_1596861997_n.jpg?w=

 

11/21/63, Houston, TX- THE DAY BEFORE---phenomenal motorcycle formation, good speed of car, press/ photographers/ Cecil Stoughton near JFK.:

19959258_10212507240691558_27184736120141743633_10202682499879178_1562261881_n.j27503238_10214221928357678_293120464803927458934_10214221871396254_4845509027375

11/21/63-THE DAY BEFORE---11/21/63, San Antonio, TX: view from motion picture taken from police helicopter! Other photo- PRS Agent Glen Bennett [see chapter 2 of my first book] is riding in the front passenger seat of the follow-up car, the spot traditionally reserved for the Shift Leader! I knew he rode the follow-up car in NY, FL and TX and this was mostly hushed up afterwards (and, with regard to Dallas, the INTENTIONS behind his placement there), but this is a new one on me. Other arrows- police lining street, good motorcycle formation, agent Don Lawton looks upward to scan buildings, Shift Leader Roberts BETWEEN Bennett and the driver, Kinney. Roofs of multi-story buildings guarded, helicopter used along route, FORTY (40) members of military intelligence unit guarded route

19983715_10212532113233356_577291293278714322191_10209527951251184_426529915380627504127_10214221936917892_8943358487750

Fort Worth, TX 11/22/63 (BEFORE the assassination):

34884877_10215205788633570_5248640302763--text: FORT WORTH PRESS 11/22/63 morning edition: Fort Worth advance agent Bill Duncan...but look at the headline below: "16 GOOFS ARE CHECKED OUT BY SECRET SERVICE GUARDING JFK" (image via Ebay- it's already gone, so luckily I saved it)
"A Secret Service man said today 16 persons were "checked out" here last night by agents guarding President Kennedy's life.

"The public doesn't know it," the agent said, "but we checked out 16 goofs." The agent described them as "goofs." "But if they could have gotten close enough they could have harmed the President."

The agent, who asked not to be quoted by name, declined to elaborate. He would not say whether any of the persons investigated were carrying arms.

Police officers said they know a no persons arrested and jailed last night by SS men.

THE SECRET Service men protected President Kennedy and his wife and Vice President Lyndon Johnson during their reception at Carswell Air Force Base and during their overnight stay at Hotel Texas.

Police officers, sheriff's deputies and federal men roped off Eighth St outside Hotel Texas as the President arrived.

"Everything went smoothly," Police St. S. B. Pruitt, one of dozens of city officers who spent the night at the hotel, said. "We didn't have any trouble at all."

REPORTERS were not allowed in the corridor of the eighth floor where the President and Mrs. Kennedy slept.

SS men and police kept the halls cleared of everybody except those wearing "special badges."

Policemen were stationed on the seventh and ninth floor stairs to keep anybody from going to the floor with the President.

One SS man was stationed outside Vice President and Mrs. Johnson's 13th floor suite.

City firemen stood in the halls on the seventh, eighth and ninth floors and in the hotel kitchens. It was the first time that many of the firemen could remember that such a precaution had been made to protect visiting dignitaries.

"But we don't have the President visit us very often," one fireman said."

19905316_10212507231731334_6109346807054 19959297_10212507237931489_4951138957244 19959356_10212507239451527_9119339036935 19959445_10212507233011366_584913839279625994662_10213911045985813_703557860103226025815_10213911045945812_921205048991726060455_10213911046105816_820657927863526063320_10213911046545827_202218250959226063660_10213911046585828_263510612593326112236_10213911087986863_340701728320626170022_10213911046305821_6328773812360983722_10203493185625815_19000922103801110339957_10203493062342733_413223536605710434217_10203493170065426_129915979272110437422_10203493067662866_230829993544010457963_10203493062382734_722484670548410513287_10203493066502837_8164376048590

Edited by Vince Palamara

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Vince,

 

Have you ever run across a report by the Dallas office of the SS similar to the one done by the Fort Worth Office vis a vis the "goofs"?

 

I know the Criminal Intelligence Section of the Dallas Police Department's Special Service Bureau did a pre-check. I just wondered if the Dallas office of the SS did one too.

This is in Box 13, Folder# 4, Item#52 of the DPD Archives.

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box13.htm

 

P.S. I have become convinced that Oswald was not in the DPD's Intelligence files, and that the officer who told Fritz out in the hall that Oswald lived on Beckley was getting his information from somewhere else.

Steve Thomas

373274254_Revill13-4-52(1).thumb.gif.8d3dcc774bff212c39c24471714b084e.gif1063538520_Revill13-4-52(2).thumb.gif.ba2736a25d462a6306a68e69dad28f59.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Paz Marverde said:

Thank you very much for this too, Vince

Thanks, Paz! :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

Vince,

 

Have you ever run across a report by the Dallas office of the SS similar to the one done by the Fort Worth Office vis a vis the "goofs"?

 

I know the Criminal Intelligence Section of the Dallas Police Department's Special Service Bureau did a pre-check. I just wondered if the Dallas office of the SS did one too.

This is in Box 13, Folder# 4, Item#52 of the DPD Archives.

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box13.htm

 

P.S. I have become convinced that Oswald was not in the DPD's Intelligence files, and that the officer who told Fritz out in the hall that Oswald lived on Beckley was getting his information from somewhere else.

Steve Thomas

373274254_Revill13-4-52(1).thumb.gif.8d3dcc774bff212c39c24471714b084e.gif1063538520_Revill13-4-52(2).thumb.gif.ba2736a25d462a6306a68e69dad28f59.gif

Hello, Steve!

No, I have not; I wish.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
38 minutes ago, Vince Palamara said:

Hello, Steve!

No, I have not; I wish.

Vince,

 

You know, knowing that jFK was coming for a visit, it seems like the Dallas SS office would reach out and touch base with the 112th, and the FBI and the Dallas CID, but I've never read of that happening. The closest I've ever seen is the meeting Hosty had the morning of the 22nd with Coyle and I don't know who else; but they were meeting about something else. The arms thefts involving Masen and Darnell and Whitter, I think.

 

It's strange.

There's probably a whole avenue of research there, but I don't know how you would go about it. The SS field reports were probably among the batch of stuff the SS destroyed rather than turning them over to the ARRB.

 

Steve Thomas

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Vince Palamara is one of the few in our fractured JFK assassination community doing real, worthwhile research. 

Thanks, Vince- know that a lot of us out here appreciate your hard work. 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree with Don.

VInce is really going all out with these photographs.

I really appreciate this work and the fact he is making it public for everyone.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Great work, Vince.  Thanks for sharing.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What I get from this, among other things, is that the bubble top was used quite often, and there are all kinds of versions of it, partial, two thirds, full.

And the partial one would not really have separated Kennedy from the crowds, which is the excuse the SS used for not putting it on that day, that was when they were in their "Blame Kennedy for his death mode."  Which they are still doing, right?

Its amazing looking at those pics just how much of a collapse Dallas was.  In every way.

As I have often said, in the JFK case, you really needed a prosecutor that was going to go head to head with these guys like Lawson, Sorrells, and Rowley.  At the very least, they all should have been fired.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Vince,

 

Have you ever run across a report by the Dallas office of the SS similar to the one done by the Fort Worth Office vis a vis the "goofs"?

 

I know the Criminal Intelligence Section of the Dallas Police Department's Special Service Bureau did a pre-check. I just wondered if the Dallas office of the SS did one too.

This is in Box 13, Folder# 4, Item#52 of the DPD Archives.

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box13.htm

 

P.S. I have become convinced that Oswald was not in the DPD's Intelligence files, and that the officer who told Fritz out in the hall that Oswald lived on Beckley was getting his information from somewhere else.

Steve Thomas

373274254_Revill13-4-52(1).thumb.gif.8d3dcc774bff212c39c24471714b084e.gif1063538520_Revill13-4-52(2).thumb.gif.ba2736a25d462a6306a68e69dad28f59.gif

Vince had included this in his post of 6/10/18:

11/22/63:

DALLAS TIMES HERALD 11/22/63 BEFORE the assassination happened

21687511_10213124208035356_4250769832336

 

Quote:

"A list - by name - of known agitators in Dallas who might possibly stir up trouble was obtained. Agents became familiar with them, their patterns."

Unquote.

I wonder where they got that list, and who was on it.

 

Steve Thomas

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
36 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

I thought it was filtered through the FBI from both them and local law enforcement.

Jim,

 

One of the most interesting things I have ever encountered is the "Bartimo Letter of April 24, 1964".

This is CD 852 here:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11249#relPageId=2&tab=page

This spells out the liason procedures of the military establishment with various civilian agencies with respect to intelligence matters - foreign and domestic.

Look at paragraph 3 on page 1. "The Secret Service is not a member of the intelligence community as such."

Look at paragraphs 4 and 5 on that same page. The DIA had no criteria or procedures for interfacing with the Secret Service.

Look at pp 5-6. The DIA had Memorandums of Understanding with Customs, the FBI, Narcotics, etc., but as far as the Secret Service, their agreements only related to counterfeiting.

 

Like, I said, it's a very interesting document.

 

Steve Thomas

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Vince P. said: 

Duluth, MN 9/25/63 (this one doesn't "count" because it was raining at night):

10255001_10203061089703687_6560436487611

HOWEVER- regarding the same Duluth, MN trip: Researcher Chad Carlson wrote to me regarding this very same trip: “I am friends with a man here who was in charge of JFK’s trip to Duluth, MN here in September of 1963. I ask him a lot about JFK. He got to talk oneon-one with the President for 30 minutes before he made his rounds and speeches. His name is Larry Yetka, former Minnesota Supreme Court justice. Larry said that he wondered what [Mafia boss] Sam Giancana of Chicago was up to on 11-22-63. I told him that I had been watching the motorcade in Dallas on 11-22-63 and told him it looked very “lax.” He said, “Yes it was.” So I asked him how was security in Duluth in Sept.1963? He said, “Tight as hell-men were on the rooftops even.

So, Vince, are you seeing any sort of consistency in the motorcades one or two months prior to Dallas as to when there was extreme security and when it was lax?  

Also, do you have any reason for such tight security in an out-of-the way place such as Duluth, MN?  

Thanks...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Steve:

That is interesting.  I just wonder did the FBI have ways of interfacing with military intel to get leads for the Security Index?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Please sign in to comment

You will be able to leave a comment after signing in



Sign In Now

×